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26th
May 2017
so apparently primaris assault marines have a heavy bolter on each arm
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:30
Nice. I was close. I guessed they would be rapid fire 2, but 18" Assault 3 works
Str 5 -1 is awesome tho
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 15:31
i'm just wondering why they have two guns. is it just to look cool?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:33
Maybe, unless they change it to units being able to fire all weapons they have?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 15:34
i hope not, otherwise marines are going to be firing triple within 12"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:35
If rapid fire still doesn't let you charge, then I'll take that trade.off
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 15:36
Where do I sign up to work on 8th edition catalogs?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:37
None have started yet. We won't until launch due to basically new game.
But you can submit a join request on GitHub as an issue
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 15:37
oh i'm already joined
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:37
Oh
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 15:38
I think we'll get everything leaked by weekend of June 3rd because all stores will have store-copies of indexes for demo days.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:38
I think @Kohato will do roll call close to launch and see who is available to break up all the cats and knock out shit asap
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 15:38
that might give us two weeks before anyone thinks of using
are there design discussion tickets about how we can represent 8th edition rules within Battlescribe catalogs?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:39
I'll try to confirm that since I'm waiting for HR to tell me I'm hired as my store's on-call
The alpha release on BS ATM had catagories
Has*
Those will be for our keywords
Someone is checking looking and validation for then. Idr who tho
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 26 2017 15:44
That's the plan.
To do a roll call at some point i mean.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 26 2017 15:45
Pretty much all discussion on how to do things are here
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:46
I guess I need to do the alpha to check out linking and validation for AoS
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 26 2017 15:46
Especially concerning 8e
That would probably be good @flakpanda
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:46
That's an overhaul. 😕
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 26 2017 15:47
I know @cartag was doing chaos but that's just 1 cat
Yeah it is but we knew it'd need to be done eventually
cartag
@cartag
May 26 2017 15:48
Yup, chaos is MINE lol
Maniacal Lough
Laugh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 26 2017 15:49
Lough? Lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:49
“loaf?” lol
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 15:53
I'm likely playing Dark Angels at ATC so I'd like to work on that catalog.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 15:54
we'll let you talk that out with @Thairne, shall we?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 15:55
lol
fyi @axisofentropy this is a thankless job :p
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 26 2017 15:57
@Thairne wake up old man. Someone wants to steal your thunder.
cartag
@cartag
May 26 2017 15:57
Autocorrect
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 15:58
thairne and i both worked on the old dark angels catalog and i did both ad mech catalogs myself
(tho i didn't maintain them)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:01
imo, once the data for 8th get to our hand, we just need to worry about getting it out first and foremost. afterwards who maintains what can happen
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 16:02
yeah and that's gonna happen before June 16th
maybe even june 3rd
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 26 2017 16:02
Agreed.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:04
@Kohato so for AoS i should be able to tag units as leaders and behemoths and it count towards both now, correct?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 16:04
^ that's the idea
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:08
primary catagory checkbox does…?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 26 2017 16:09
Is what it sorts by if I remember.
Haven't dug into the alpha too much.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:09
ok, was assuming that but wanted to be sure
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 16:10
changes which group it shows up in on the roster editor
like the old category drop down
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:10
shit, bye bye Leader/Behemoth. pain in my ass
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 26 2017 16:10
Yup. So for 40k it should nearly always be the foc slot
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:11
yeah
omg this is so nice. all those issues solved
fyi @Kohato to force Profile Types to a certain order, you can add a number to the front of them in the gst that way they are in order on the print out
figured that will be useful in 8th with damage charts
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 16:18
still need to tinker around with damage tables, i saw a screenshot of one that cartag did but havent looked at it proper yet
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:19
they are all over AoS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 26 2017 16:19
Nice.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:20
is AoS the columes are named differant things for units, but in 40k they are them same so its easy
M WS BS. so just make a profile with those 3 things
and add a profile for each row
there is your table
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 16:23
its not always those 3 that change though
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:23
are you sure?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 16:23
the morkanaut loses attacks im pretty sure
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:23
thought everything shown was
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 16:23
yeah see the gorkanot
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:24
well we will have to see how many variables there are
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 16:24
having three different statlines sounds like it would work tho no matter which stats are *
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 26 2017 16:25
Yeah @Thairne has gotten anal about his cats lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:25
yeah, just if its a changing number it can be dumb
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 26 2017 16:26
Anal old German man
Mortal wounds do overflow- interesting
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:37
im ok with this
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 16:37
Right, so those (stupidly named assault marines) are vicious, against guardians (assumed) a squad if three puts out 9 shots, hit with 6, wound with 4 and kill 3.3... From a squad of 10 with a leadership of 7 you have a 50 chance to lose another dude and be half strength... From one round of shooting...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:38
unless each one shoots 6 times :3
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 16:41
Well exactly, looks like I need to build some more guardians either way...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:42
It is interesting that they gave them each 2 assault bolters. No reason to really unless they can fire both
but i could be wrong and they are just "rule of cool”ing it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 16:49
Yer, if they were pistols it would make more sense but yes, perhaps they can fire both at - 1 BS or something, same as with combi weapons...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 16:49
yeah
id be ok shooting both at -1
assault 6 and 4+
*at
so deep strike a squad at shoot 18 shots
then maybe punch something weak to death
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 17:40
So, 6 per is 18 shots, 9 hits, 6 wounds and 5 dead, which means more will likely be removed from battle shock, I'd say you'd be lucky to have 3 or 4 guardians left...
Which they could easily chomp in melee
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 19:34
Also, is the captain even more of a combat monster now...?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 19:57
hitting on a 2+ with 5 attacks. i would say so
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 20:07
those primaris marines are going to be hard to shift and pack a punch...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 20:10
yeah, those inceptors are basically 2W jetbikes
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:10
FYI, Helblaster Squads have Plasmarifles. 30” Rapid Fire, S7 AP-3, D1
Plasma doesnt get hot anymroe
you can boost is +1S -1AP
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 20:10
that sounds like tech heresy
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:11
but on hit roll of 1, the model is slain
so S8 AP-4
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 20:12
that is pretty horrible... Obviously if your captain is nearby you can re-roll your 1 and avoid death??
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:13
im sure
the manager said nids were doing work at their retail workshop. everyone played 8th to get ready for it
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:15
here's compilation of leaks so far today http://imgur.com/a/kVg7o
includes all the detachments and army construction
@flakpanda where u getting those plasma rifle rules
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:17
my gw manager. we were talking about the retail workshop before people walked in
im getting hired in as the on-call here so he tells me things
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 20:19
good leak on the army construction
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:21
how will those detachments work in battlescribe? Do we have a way to track command points or is that left for end users to do themselves?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 26 2017 20:22
Users will likely track that themselves
I like the aux detachment. Balanced for taking outside of detachment choices.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 26 2017 20:25
Yeah let's not track CP
That's like commissars for IG - I still want to take that checkbox away
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:29
so, guess get started on a gst them
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 20:29
probably best to wait for 2.01?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:30
i meant with the alpha
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:30
doo eet
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 20:31
i guess so, if Jon doesnt make any more changes to the data structure
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:33
should we start a new git repository?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:33
no
we are going to move 7th to a new one
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:34
so anyone cloning the 8th repo will get all those 7th commits?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 20:35
the comits stay with the files don't they??
so they would move too...?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:36
the current repo will be cloned and become 7th. then we will purge it and upload 8th files
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:37
yeah that's good but by "purge" do you mean remove all the commits? Or just commit an empty tree?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:37
idk, thats @amis92 ’s territory i beleive
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 26 2017 20:38
@Kohato could probably answer too
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:39
ok. i recommend renaming the existing wh40k repo to something else, then creating a new wh40k git repo with a new Initial Commit. That's the cleanest start.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 20:39
yes, but then every user has to update their data links
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:39
it has to do with the appspot pointer if i rememeber correctly
thats why clone then purge
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 20:39
and... not all BS users are computer savvy shall we say...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:39
^
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:40
@FarseerVeraenthis none of this will be visible to ppl downloading via appspot
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 20:40
hmmm... then I fall back to @flakpanda 's point about how appspot works...
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:40
i haven't looked at the appspot pointers recently, but they're probably pointing to a URL, not commits.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 20:41
and SOME people do link directly to the repo...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 26 2017 20:42
personally id rather do more work then tell people that use battlescribe to change something. the 1.15->2.0 backlash was stupid
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 26 2017 20:42
yeah, the data link is just a url to where appspot hosts the data
so 1) make a new repo to prep for 8e. 2) move the current repo somewhere else. 3) move the new 8e repo into wh40k
i believe that was the basic plan
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:45
oh good that's what i recommended
cartag
@cartag
May 26 2017 20:49
I have some stuff started for 8th, I can fork when I get home and upload
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 20:52
as predicted, we're getting about all the info from the starter box very soon http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_13145/gallery_8429_13145_47383.jpg
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 26 2017 20:55
The plan is to use this repo so nobody needs to relink data. Just update on bs and go.
No need to purge. The repo, we just clone it for history into a new repo then update existing cat files.
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 21:00
no i think we want to discard all the 7th history.
and start over with a new Initial Commit
this can be done without requiring any action from end users, as @GenWilhelm has laid out.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 21:07
either way, I'd probably suggest that someone save those pic ASAP, I am certain it will be "moderated" shortly...
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 21:08
they're on my phone, and no i actually don't expect them to disappear from forums. dakkadakka allows leaks up until release day, then they stop being "rumors" i guess.
also GW says these "core rules" will be free.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 21:11
yah, but points and profiles are usually a no-go...
arent they??
well, either way, I'll let the "more experienced" maintainers take the lead and go from there :-)
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
May 26 2017 21:13
oh yeah you're right about points and statlines.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 26 2017 22:18
Lol. Nah. Those will stay up on various sites
Aos point spoilers stay til release
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 26 2017 22:24
groovy :-)
those primaris look pretty spendy
do you have to pay 14 points for the weapons on standard equipped inte(r)ce(pt)ors?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 26 2017 23:07
Looks like it @FarseerVeraenthis - good
Means no need for set pts to 0