Was there a leak / preview yesterday..?
If you guys want to start putting some data in for Chaos Marines... https://imgur.com/a/kPLQc
Dear god that heldrake.
30" move. 12W with regen.
Yeah sounds nice
lander raider has multiple attacks and can take marks? sign me up
and it has machine spirit, praise the omnissiah dark gods
Giggity
I really hope after wargear the Lord of Skulls got a point reduction, or that it's one of the best models in the game, given its original cost.
I'd the point total will be comparable to what it was (888 points)
If, not I'd
Lord of Skulls looks like 465 points on the shoddy quality grab shared earlier..
I see that, but still lacking some info on it
Hell Drake looks like 138
Oh yeah, do you think you have to pay wargear?
I mean, that'll be a standard load out, how do the points feel so far...?
(where did it put my handful of straws...)
That was my question, it says not included. I don't know if standard layout doesn't cost, if that's for the model sans weapons, what
For named units it says included
There is that, I meant that leviathan dread they shared the other day had standard load out included and then weapon options extra, I don't know if the Lord of Skulls fits into the same category as that at present - how many wargear options does it have at present?
three different weapons I believe. But it's possible the gear they are equipped with still costs. For instance, Warp Talons are 15 pts per model, Raptors are 17.
CSM are 13. Warp Talons have twin lightning claws and jump packs.
What's the difference?
Raptors are CSM with jump packs basically
Oh I see, that is a little odd...
Warp Talons are also daemons. Currently they are... 30? points per model
Raptors are... 17
So either they slashed (pun intended) the points for Warp Talons, or they still have to pay for lightning claws
Well that comes back to the question if the new jump primaris jump dudes have to pay 7 per assault bolter and have 2 per, or if they only pay one, if they can fire both, and so on...
But yes, the joy of incomplete information, sooooo much teasing...
We have 8 different Chaos Lords now, 7 Sorcerers, not including named... I have my work cut out for me if they introduce batallions in this
which yes, they are (as far as we know) the same as they were before, just with different transportation options, but we'll see
... the Hellforged Leviathan Dreadnought is missing.
Magnus dropped from 650 to 415
HLD is FW
nm
I'm digging the point adjustments
Titanic Feet on Renegade Knight: S User, AP -2, D D3, Make 3 hit rolls for each attack made with this weapon instead of 1.
some scattered rumors translated from Italian here https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/12090/724730.page#9391286
It was already confirmed that the Inceptor Primaris models shoot with both assault bolters. As far as most units go, seems to me you pay the cost for the models, then add the costs for the weapons and other gear they are carrying.
(tho some gear, like frag grenades, has 0 cost i think)
In the core rules, for shooting, it states a model shoots with all equipped weapons
Correct, it does. But it's either shoot with your pistols or with your other weapons, you can't shoot both types of weapon.
Yeah, pistols are the exception
I'm ok with DSing 18 shots :3
friend and I playing an 8th ed game soon
Grav is 5/-3/1
24", heavy4
Preds are t7 11w
Good they're splitting ministorum and sororitas again
With weapons looking to be standard points across the board (all power swords 4 pts for instance) we can do shared entries in GST like we have the profiles and just include point cost. Hooray for less bloat!
:+1:
Less bloat ftw! :+1:
Branch updated, entries for several weapons are there, weapon profiles updated for what we know so far
BSData/wh40k#3719 that creativity to fill min char limit :sunglasses:
xD
Nice :+1:
Why you so mean? Lol
#3720 though could be a worry for anyone trying to use it in the next few weeks
@all 8th edition repo switch announcement #3721
exciting stuff :D
and i think you pinged a random person, @/all is for everyone
oops, not good
well, you've already gathered attention, so :D
:)
Sounds good. I'm looking forward to contributing to 8th.
If I don't make the inner circle it's no problem, just let me know how I can help out.
I'm thrilled at the possibility of shared entries working a bit better for wargear.
the plan is to have a role call Soon so we can see who wants to work on the new system and divvy up the factions accordingly
we have space marines: https://imgur.com/a/X7xLA
The "inner-circle" will most probably be the people who have contributed more than once or twice, and have done so in last year. I'll see.
hahaha! right, so, remind me what separates a chainsword anda combat blade again...
+1 attack isnt it?
combat knife has the same abilities
oh wait, the combat blade is the same
;-)
its not the same as a CCW
storm shield are 5 pts :D
close combat weapon no longer exists though...
and that's groovy :-)
camo cloaked scouts camping in cover just became a thing...
storm bolter changed to Rapid Fire 2
that would be +4 to their save
looks at my 15 sniper scouts im glad
smooth
also, Pedro Cantor is there, so we must make sure he is not missing in the BS data... /sarcasm
lol
supercharged plasma is a bit nasty, both for the weilder and the target
interesting that the plasma cannon slays the model, but the twin plasma cannon deals a mortal wound. guess no one could carry around twin plasma cannons :P
also there is a heavy plasma cannon and plasma cannon...
probably for the primaris dread
shrugs
so, heavy = 1 mortal wound, "standard" = bearer is slain
heavy will be for vehicles perhaps
a mortal wound allows no saves of any kind, yeah?
since it’d be silly to slay a vehicle
correct, no saves period
so really, you wouldn't want a dread armed with a plasma cannon, cos you'd kill it on the roll of a one
I also appear to be in the slow typing group
prob what flak said, heavy variant goes on vehicles
the standard is for infantry
next question... How do I work on / download and start to get my head around the "new" repo, without breaking things??
I have the BS alpha
holy shit, a necarthium can revive models now
and heald D3
heals*
that's why it says in the Faction Tocus today to "keep your Apoths nearby"
yeah i saw that, just didnt think reviving was going to be an option
hmmm, there is a Lord of War cut off for 400pts. Looks like “Terminator….”
@FarseerVeraenthis go to the branch and download the GST. You'll need to make a new folder, just copy the naming schematic for 7th but name the folder 8th.
You can dl Chaos Index.CAT if you want to see how I'm using it
im not able to change a profile’s stat based on a condition for some reason :/
sigh
what are you trying to do?
like example I mean
change move from 8 to 12 if “Fly” is selected
Screenshot it in the editor, lemmie take a look
Check "And all child selections"
it still wont
ive tried it both ways
Change from Parent to Daemon Prince
like the shared entry
It's a pain in my ass for 7E CSM, I have to set everything up that way
yeah that worked. that seems a bit counter intuitive tho not being able to select parent
in other news, I managed to get the roster/data editors to stop deleting the files :-)
(first time I looked at a the new editor) so, categories in BS = Keywords in GW-speak
yes
right, and primary category = FOC slot type??
yea
otherwise, everything else is much the same
yeah
:cool:
that makes things easier...
now, @cartag, did you manually type all this stuff into the Chaos Index from the grabs we saw earlier??
cos that's really fast typing
its just the DG stuff from the earlier leaks isnt it?
oh no wait, he did a big commit like 6 hrs ago
@Crowbar90 posted this link: https://imgur.com/a/kPLQc about 11am UK Time
and the Chaos Index details in the CAT seem to match everything we know so far...
and the GST looks pretty good too, so top work to everyone who has been updating so far
jusr @cartag
*just
is anyone working on the Tau CAT??
goodness, Cartag did the GST as well... double kudos then, everyone else can merely fall to their knees in worship :-P
Ooooh nooo, basic XV8 squad is now min 3 bodies
many people are crying about that already
Well, it's just a first thing that hit me but I suppose it's not that bad really. Tactical Drones, eh?
I mean with a no scatter 'deep strike' I can take that punch :D
uhuh, and you could bring understrength units anyway, if you only ave 2 suits...
I hardly ever ran monats so no skin off my nose lol
OH MAN 3 Wounds and T5 I'm crying joy
catching up with the leaks, the new psychic phase looks much cleaner
I need to catch up too - just got out of watching GOTG
I am groot
assault weapons can advance and still shoot... although at -1 BS, like Battle Focus lite
yeah running and shooting is cool
Also -1 bs to shoot at "fliers" via the hard to hit rule. I wonder if those modifiers stack. I would assume so.
wording would indicate so. running is a -1, and shooting at flyer is -1
Ok have I not been keeping pulse, or was "Supremacy Railgun" already on something?
Oh I see, Gunrig has supremacy railgun now. :o
speaking of Tau, do we know who @bitjump is...?
@FarseerVeraenthis CSM I just wiped and cleaned everything out, I then modified the GST and started updating profiles and adding poitn totals
set up all the leaked detachments too
10/10 for awesome
and someone has already collected a Tau index
seems like a new contributor to me :D
what happens if we just merge it into the 8thedprep branch?
better check it out first, but well, nothing we can't unroll
looks like he just bunged it in...
DO NOT MERGE BRANCH
misread
don't mind me
I'm watching this and playing Stardew Valley
hehehe :-)
well, fair point on that note, apparently Github thinks I've updated every single CAT <-- I didn't do a pull request or anything...
seems to have happened when I downloaded the new branch
which probably means I did something wrong
I've just been syncing through the site, not messing with the client. I have my own routine down lol
aha, that's groovy :-)
Hmmm we may want to wait a little
I can do that too, and sort out Github properly in the future when the branch is merged and properly 8th'ed
I've already spotted just from xml he's not making weapons as shared entries, instead they're directly in Ranged Weapons shared group
well, I've not seen him on here, my call didn't ping properly so perhaps he's a reengade
Maybe I'll invite him over here and we can lend a few tips?
that would probably be polite
If they're weapons shared by everybody I'll eventually get them thrown into the GST. I'm going through BA leaks now to find more profiles
I think only Flamer is a weapon that can be shared :)
(for T'au)
well, this is Aog of Flamer isn't it??
*Age
no. plague marines with triple plasma pistols :p
my deathwatch inferno heavy bolters aren't looking like such poor cousins of the frag cannon now...
yes... FIRE ALL THE THINGS!!
lol
im interested in what fragcannons will do
*burn. burn all the things xD
or did i miss it in the BA stuff?
The dread frag cannon is in the BA stuff
I expect the DW frag cannon to be lesser
Assault2d6, 6/-1/1
^dread frag cannon
well the template part of the DW one was exact same
We'll see
DW Frag Cannon, Frag round was/is template Str 6 AP -, Assault 2, rending
Solid is 24" Str 7 AP 3, Assault 2, Impact <-- Str 9 AP 2 at half range
right
but for 8th
im wondering if it will change much
so that Dread Frag weapon is nasty up close, but not a match for longer range
and yes, me too :-)
I have three squads of veterans to build, and arm, so I will wait until the index comes out to decide
(HA! as if I could get them all build in three weeks anyway!!)
nasty
the melta-bomb?
was curious to see how it would work compared to how it does now
thought I'd share in case anybody else was wondering
My oh my, T'au support systems are crazy. 8pts for -1 AP on all model's weapons
target lock is now kind of old Stabilizers, but actually damn they got the rules on point with system names :o 8th Ed is looking to be amazingly amazing.
Are we really surprised by that? Tau = bullshit :)
4 chaos factions down for AoS :p
Which 4?
tau = bullshit, truth
There are more?
There's like 15 different ones for Chaos in AoS
O.o
beastmen, brayherd, chaos gargants, and daemons of chaos
That's a lot of chaos
Joker approves
daemons of khorne, nurgle, tzeentch, slaanesh, etc
all completely done
I'll work on Khorne
daemons and bloodbound
…i have to uplead then
later though lol
no rush
I have to wonder WTF some people are smoking... bitching that a land raider suffers in movement after losing ONLY half its wounds... It starts with 16. If you beat the crap out of a vehicle to where it was halfway to being inoperable, do you think it will run like a dream?
Yah, people always bitch, whatever they would read. Close to no-one cares to write if they like something :D
So far I think the vehicle damage tables were
Pretty minor
well, I once won a game by one-shotting a Land raider with a lucky combi-melta shot, I'm really angry I can't do that now... /sarcasm
Like you only lose abilities after losing half you wounds, and the ability losses are fairly minor.
No shit, AoS monsters start losing shit after 3 or 4 wounds
I just hope my maulerfiend will actually kill something now
chances are, everything will be killed by everything else
My maulerfiend has killed 1 infantry model the entire time I've owned him
I've not seen any Eldar leaks, but I'm pretty certain I need more bodies
how many times have you use him?
You needs more bodies period
literally every other game he gets either immobilized or blown up first turn
and how much fire has he soaked up?
he's not killed anythign, but he has saved some of your dudes...
perhaps
Typically he gets destroyed the first wave of fire
I'm not making sense - time for bed :-)
like one unit shoots at him. It's legendarily bad luck
It looks like big things aren't going to be theatened by small arms fire much. You need specialty antitank to threaten rowboat or a knight or a landraider.
It is statistically improbable how often it's happened
I played two games of 8th. both very fun and very close: last game came down to one 3+ armor save.
everything is so much simpler except close combat positioning, which is probably simpler than 7th but still complicated.
hope we get a FAQ day 1
For cc positioning?
for a few things
edge cases
like, can't shoot at character unless it's the closest visible target. But maybe they intended to say closest eligable target. one visible unit in close combat prevented me from shooting at a character who was the closest eligable target.
I figured that was implied, but I see the confusion definitely.
Hey.
Oops, Twitter signin.
That's better.
:+1:
There better be a full Chaos leak soon, I'll sacrifice a llama if I have to. Maybe more than one
sup @Bitjump
Hell, if it gets the rules out immediately, you'll all have to deal with a real alpaca-lypse
@Bitjump , my eariler comment on your PR:
I've already spotted just from xml he's not making weapons as shared entries, instead they're directly in Ranged Weapons shared group
Yeah, they've already been migrated over to shared entries.
That's one thing, and from me probably the only one - I still haven't got the 2.01 update, so just skipped through xml
Plus I'm not sure how BS will support that, but T'au Empire is now the official name - could be used in catalogue.
Besides, welcome to the 40k team! :D
I've changed it to T'au Empire. Takes a bit to get used to spelling it that way myself. Also, just out of curiosity - what's the convention for profiles and rules that only get used in one selection entry? I've seen differing approaches from multiple files. Some still place them in Shared Rules and Shared Profiles, others move them from there to just under the specific selection entry.
I put as much as possible shared and link to it. My stance is that there could be something later on down the line that also uses item X so I like to save future me the hassle
yeah pretty much the rule of thumb will be if you can, link it.