Comfortable that the T'au Empire catalogue is done. Please feel free to tear the PR apart and tell me where my formatting and conventions are awful. It's my first attempt at it outside of making datafiles for SWA before official ones were released.
@Thairne hey pops! https://m.imgur.com/a/tjmtr
Good Job @Bitjump. Way to be pro-active.
Thanks!
admech http://imgur.com/a/djGI2
Grey Knights are on /TG/ if you want to wade through it. http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/53522244#p53522552
Genestealer Cult https://www.instagram.com/p/BUvfIOEAoi6/
Gak! I hate mechanics where you've got to explain the rules to your opponent, and wait on them before you can do something. Cult Ambush isn't as bad as the minigame you have to play every time you shoot a bubblechucka, but it's still annoying.
Imperial Guard! https://www.instagram.com/p/BUvgdMfA37S/
Leaks are coming thick and fast suddenly.
I love it
ok. compiling GK to imgur
latest GST is up
tau is also in that /tg thread. idk how much tau yall have already
I'm gonna be going to bed soon, if there are any Chaos leaks can you @ me so I can see them?
prob wont be me as im headed to bed soon myself :p
that canhammer instagram account has more stuff too, some Eldar and Necrons in English
I just noticed a subtle thing. we've been assuming points costs are the same for all wargear from army to army. Apparently not, because GSC Autocannons cost less than Chaos Autocannons.
screenshots?
some wargear is different in between units, like some tyranid guns
all their points are off... that's weird, they are the same for SM and CSM
Yeah, I'm not finding CSM points right now, maybe it was KDK, but whatever it was, I'm pretty sure the AC cost 25 points, and GSC costs 15.
GSC bolt pistol is 1 point which is different from marines.
GSC flamers are 7 points, Tau and SM/CSM have flamers at 9 iirc.
20 for AC
GSC is off on all of theirs it looks like... hmmm
Sounds very GSC
That is interesting that its been the same on other stuff so far. I wonder how close GSC is to IG.
GSC's Genestealers are at least 150% as expensive as Tyranid ones. Weird.
GSC are just a tad goofy overall when it comes to points, it seems.
GSC's genestealers get Cult Ambush which is probably worth 50%!
space marines get the best psychic powers period https://www.instagram.com/p/BUvj9aAgwJQ
@cartag this is all the chaos i've seen today http://imgur.com/a/m4L2J
if I wanted to work on an 8th edition catalog file for AdMech tomorrow, is there enough foundation to do that?
Some Eldar stuff (click on the Wraithknight pic): https://www.instagram.com/canhammer_yt/
Mainly points cost
Found leaks for Admech, looks complete.
Beginning work on AdMech Cat.
Beginning work on AdMech Cat.
I'll go with Imperial Knights Cat in the next few hours
I grant permission. But be good, I'll check it :P
Haha of course! I'm sure you won't find any heresy in there!
I'm not so sure of that... ;)
Someone put all the T'au stuff into a pdf, for who's interested: http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1496192148380.pdf
I saw GK already posted, but this seems an easier link to use: http://imgur.com/a/KP4AI
Ork points: http://imgur.com/a/zjUs2
More GK, just below the top. Seems to be all of them: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/13470/724730.page
Necron, or did I miss those? https://www.instagram.com/p/BUvf6Vkg0DK/
Since all knights have the same profile with different names (Knight Crusader, Knight Paladin, ...) should I create just one profile and change its name using modifiers or is it better if I create a different profile and wound tracker for each one (just to be safe in the unlikely case only some of them get modified)?
I think different profiles, more like because modifiers are not very change-supportive and also because it's simpler when there are less modifiers.
Ok, on with the copypaste then!
Another question, with the way Battlescribe handles catalogs is it necessary to put all Imperium stuff in the same file?
IDK. I assume it'd be safer to put them in one cat for now, and if turns out unnecessary - copy the cats and remove different stuff from each.
I have no idea if you can understand what I meant, I have hard time myself :D
Haha yeah, I can understand it!
did we already come up with a way to more easily validate the increments in unit sizes?
Like befire it was +1 model for everything whereas now it goes in steps of e.g. +3
Like befire it was +1 model for everything whereas now it goes in steps of e.g. +3
Um... but we don't do catalogues with Power Points, do we?
Dunno, the leaks on AdMech goes in steps of 3.. but yes, that is in PP
arent we supporting that?
Are we? If so, how do you suggest?
I have not used the new gst, are the PPs there as new cost type?
I mean, I think that these model steps you're talking about apply only to calculating PPs. Where you have Points table, the unit size says e.g. 3-9 and I feel you can take 5 if you want to.
exactly. I guess I'll ignore that for now in the first drafts.
Yeah, supporting PPs at the same time would be kind of a pain. And also I think that PPs are so simple that BS is not that useful for them.
by PP do you mean power levels?
yeah I thought it was Power Points which it obviously isn't.
ohh it's Power Rating
PP, PR... all BS :P
:+1:
do we have a plan for who is taking each faction? cause with all these leaks i want to start on something :P
roll call is still out, but crowbar is oing knights right now and Iam doing the admech leaks
Ghaz:
have we seen any faction stratagems yet?
Nope. Think you won't see any until the codices start appearing.
Indices are just a stop-gap, to get everyone started at the same time.
Nice, just heard Harlequin Troupemasters have become HQ units.
Someone just leaked all rules... but his dropbox is not accesible atm because he surpassed his limit for today. Expect others to host this stuff soon!
as in epubs?
that would be dope
Nope, sounds like separate pages, but I'm not certain.
just looking at the Wraithknight sheet, in Melee you can only choose one weapon to make all your attacks with right??
because in that case, Titanic feet are nasty
you can choose which weapon you use for each attack
oh I see...
so a captain with a fist and a sword could do 4 attacks with the sword and 2 with the fist, for example
so if you did decide just to attack with your feet, the wraithknight has 4 attacks, times 3 dice, equals 12 rolls to hit
at strength 8 and AP -2
sounds about right
each one doing D3 damage
Suncannon is also brutal, although, pretty variable output
How do you guys recommend starting an 8th Ed CAT?? i.e. start from scratch, or copy and paste from the previous one and then remove/change things as required?
i would go from scratch
flush out all the old ways, make sure everything is exactly on point
I'm starting from scratch, just let me check it's all ok and my draft of Imperium Index will be online :)
fabulous
Done, the file is Imperial Index.cat, you can find it in branch 40k8eprep
that's just the knights, yes?
are we going to just have a CAT per index to begin with? or a CAT per faction per the previous Repo?
will the imperium CAT be too big??
I think we can put them in a single CAT for now, splitting them later when the codexes are released
Oh and by the way I think we should remove all previous edition cats... Leaving only the new GST and the files for the new edition
All those files are useless anyway
yeah, i was thinking the same
My laptop would be very happy if I could free some space
haha, i dont think 50 MB of cats will make much difference there ;)
It's actually more than 300 MB :) Not much, but I have less than 1 GB free in my /home partition :P
It would be good to delete the rubbish data
Well, rubbish for 8th Ed anyway!
Can anyone confirm that the only files we need to keep are these?
Warhammer40k.gst
Chaos Index.cat
Imperium Index.cat
Warhammer40k.gst
Chaos Index.cat
Imperium Index.cat
Someone has been working on Tau haven't they...?
Yes but the file has never been committed to 40k8eprep, the pull request hasn't been merged yet
Wow!
holy shit this looks amazing
@Owlsbane, you're a fucking legend
Holy cow pats...!!
Awesomeness :+1:
Yay, you can have a DA interrogator chaplain on a bike..!
This way he can purge heresy faster
Time to divvy up the work then, if we only have 5 Cats, only 5 people can work at the same time...
We can have more than 5 Cats I think
Not all races in the Xenos books have to be together
orks, necrons and tau will be individual for sure
nids and gsc have some overlap, not sure atm
We can try dividing it this way:
Imperium + Mech
Chaos
Aeldari
Tyr + Genestealer Cults
Orks
Tau
Necron
Missing something?
and eldar remains to be seen
All Eldar have the Aeldari keyword, so it makes sense having them together
oh, if thats the case then yeah
Not my work (obviously). Just glad to be able to lend a hand, you guys do the hard work.
well it's appreciated :D
alright, im gonna start on a tyranids cat
with gsc
If you checkout 40k8eprep you have a fresh start, there are only 8th edition files
Wish you hadn't done that but guess it's not a big deal
Wraithknight is basically an imp knight
Will it cause drama with the rest of the repo?
@alphalas We can always undo my last commit if it causes trouble
I was gunna use the old cats as jump starts - make things a little easier on myself
They are available in the master branch anyway, only 40k8eprep doesn't have them
True - just means a few extra steps
I'm not throwing a fit – I was just stating I wish you hadn't done that
Anyway, looks like the SHW/GMCs are now roughly equal
Sorry, I thought the general consensus was to start from scratch... I promise I'll wait next time!
I have no argument with deleting the FW cats right away - none of them will be updated right away so they're effectively dead
Anyway, I'm not gonna add anything to the Imperium Index for some hours, so if anyone wants to do something, feel free!
It was just with guard and sisters I was trying to save some steps - especially since sisters are basically unchanged
@alphalas scroll up to the last link Owlsbane posted, its pics of every page from every book
wait what? one index? IUm nearly done with AdMech.cat... you gotta be fucking kidding me >.<
Oh cool
@alphalas the whole of all documents are available on the Google drive link shared by owlsbane...
Yeah uh I thought we were still doing separate cats for factions
I don't know which one is the better way honestly... With separate cats we'd have smaller files but I'm not sure if things would work correctly
Since everything is going to be split into codices eventually anyway I assumed we were going with separate factions
everything would be castellans that way - multiple forces per detachment
yeah but I dont want my admech list to be clogged up with sisters and AM units
so many units I will NEVER use..
yeah, that list of unit would be unwieldy to say the least
I have no issues with separate catalogs, we'll just have to implement them like Castellans
which we can and should do via categories
Let's keep them separate then :) I'll rename my file "Questor Imperialis"
Where should we define categories then?
I'm thinking faction keywords in the GST and other keywords in the specific catalogs, but i'm not sure
specific in cat in any case
Ok, good
At least I did that right :P
Full rules/leaks
Right now the base words are in GST. Infantry, troops, biker, monster, etc
Put faction specific in cat.
Done, now everyone can create their cat files
@Kohato good share, but you're about half an hour behind @owlsbane :-)
Hah, I see that
I'll reserve final judgement till I've played it but I kinda feel like these new rules have ruined it for me
Oh, and how are we going to handle "placeholder" keywords like <CHAPTER> and <LEGION>? For now I have simply put <Household> in the file until we decide what to do
That's the exact way really
Until we have rules in a codex that give bonuses based on certain ones
I'll start stripping out guard once I'm home
I'll start on Necrons and SM today.
The categories should already be in the GST, I put them there myself.
I saw a russ leak, but didn't get a good look at it. Did they combine the siege and non-seige russes?
theres two variants i think, let me check
@cartag the faction ones aren't in the GST
we're talking about the faction keyword <Sept> or <Chapter>
@alphalas yeah, there's two
:+1:
other than power level, i cant see an obvious difference between them
Wargear options?
Like the new icon Jon.
But you know ... http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/691/973/e75.jpg
nope, only the turret weapon options are different
Huh, odd
i guess its just so you cant have mixed squadrons?
Makes sense- previously it was literally just the rear armour that was different
Yea that could be.
Until we have rules in a codex that give bonuses based on certain ones
We already have them in a way... For instance, Cawl has the Mars keyword and buffs only the units with the same keywords (so if I chose <Forge World> = Metalica it shouldn't work)... Other ones use it for listbuilding (Dark Angels can substitute <Chapter> with Dark Angels but only for some specific units)... Maybe the best way would be a new entry to add at the beginning of the roster? Like the Chaos Legion in 7th CSM or the Legion in Horus Heresy
Lol you missed it I changed it yesterday just to fuck with @Thairne
That one might become my next profile pic
Haha. Best reason to change it
you're cruel... in other news, did you see the stats for the Wailing Doom....?!?!?! OMG - BUFF!!!!!!!!!
good
wailing doom was meh prevoiusly
previously*
I best get on and finish my Avatar conversion
(that I've actually been working on since... 2002, maybe...?!)
(ok, maybe NOT working, but I started it!!)
also, singing spear, always wounds on a 2+, and does D3 damage
shooting or melee
Ooooo
New T-Vault
Knows all 3 c'tan powers and can use all 3.
I'm probably one of the few people who own a t-vault :)
<- my 2nd necron purchase :p
I just dont like much of what im reading in these rules
feels like all the flavours gone to me
No? I love it really.
its age of sigmar - sci-fi edition
i've played AOS, it's boring
Yep, that's why I like it. But I'm a huge proponent of AOS
i assume that was their intention
to target the aos crowd
Can I ask what you found so boring with it?
i liked the complexity of 40l
40k
same for the people in the group i play with
Complexity can be nice, but 40k was just too much.
for some
for others it was fine
And how does 40k being complex make AoS boring?
i would have made changes too it dont get me wrong
not sure what you want me to say cartag
my group. all of us, found aos boring
its that simple
given the choice of 7th ed 40k and the current aos, we would all play 40k
I think he's saying the simplicity is boring. Lack of complexity to them means lack of uniqueness/everything is the same
we just found 40k more interesting to play
i would have removed a bunch of peripheral rules that didn't add much to the game play, thats how i would have simplified it
but in a game where people already complained about winning or losing based on the randomness of dice throws, i don't understand why people are happy about how much d3 and d6 and 2d6 etc they have added in
apparently people didnt like D weapons, so they removed them... and then added Mortal wounds, which are like... D weapons
? No they aren't ...
D was an imperfect solution to the box GW cornered themselves in with GMC/SHV
And then those super powerful weapons were given en masse to an entire army
d weapons, wounds with no possible way of saving it
mortal wound is the same thing
- vs 6+D6!
d weapon wounds did't spill over to other models
mortal wounds do
imo they are worse than D
Eh, not for me. Rending system is leagues better than AP. Multiple Damage on weapons is a great change to represent their power. Power Levels for Narrative is a great thing for the game for incoming players
till you keep rolling 1's
And if you were rolling ones you wouldn't accomplish shit on either system
So we're back to complaining about randomness in a game about dice rolls. Nothing about that has changed.
in 7th you can mitigate a lot of that randomness when it comes to templates
higher BS, rerolling scatter etc
now it's ALL dice rolls and nothing else
Speaking of less random. No more scattering blasts onto my own guys, or not being able to use a flamer because the gun tip of one of my guys is in the way.
It's an Ork thing, you wouldn't understand
No more scattering Deep Strikes
Also ... Scatter WAS dice rolls.
it was
modified by BS
and if you had the rules for it, could be rerolled
arguably AoS is far more tactically rewarding then 40k has been for years
there's more nuance in AoS - the simplicity is what MAKES aos better.
or for some, makes it boring
each to their own
Faster too ... I've done similarly pointed games of sigmar in an hour less than 40k
the only reason they want faster games is so people play more points an buy more models
Yea, GW was never going to please everyone with this
disagee
which is fair enough, they're in it to make money
I fail to see that logic at all.
G has said standard points is 1500
people will play for the duration if the time they have at hand
if the game ends quicker, they will just up the point count
The reason they want faster games is because player groups have vocalized the need for less than 3 hour slogs at 1850
also, there are things that negate mortal
^this.
I have yet to come across a group that says they're happy with how long 40k takes.
You're deluding youself if you think GW do anything for any reason other than to sell models to you :)
Last 7ed tourney I did was 1650 and 2/3 games were still 2.5 hrs
if anything I don't think points will go up, the quantity of games will go up instead
you're deluding yourself if you think G isn't listening to the masses
I guess i'm deluded for thinking GW also has started to care about the community and it's vocalizations.
Sigmar didn't sell them models at 1st. They did that because they had a vision of a game they want to make. It didn't work so hot, disrupting model sales, so they had to quickly redo it.
That's some "Fuck big business" kind of thought there that I can't get behind.
Alright, I think I'm basically done with AdMech. Might be rough, but for a first draft it's good enough. Now for some rest...
g'night Old man!
its nothing to do with fuck big business, at the end of the day it's a business' job to bring money in
Night? its 2:30 pm :D
they will listen to community if they think it will improve sales
So you can't both make money and do things to improve your product?
I did this at work, but dont tell anyone :D
Haha fine. time for Dark Souls then
yeah man, step back and take a look at the whole. G has given the community literally EVERYTHING the community has asked for.
Also. Bought and played the Dark Souls board game. Fuck me is that game hard.
still need to work... but after that...!
Really? Been eyeing that one. Pricey...
you're putting words in the mouths of a lot of people in that community who didn't ask for this
Yea, the 70k tourney I played. 2nd place. used the money to go toward the one copy they had
the small vocal minority
it's not cheap, but it's a pretty fun game. the minis with it are pretty good looking.
the small vocal minority are the ones GW have apparently listened to
people who were happy didn't complain and voice anything
no - you have that backwords
people don't go into public forums to proclaim how awesome things are
people only go into public forums to complain
I've seen so many people who quit 7th come back because of 8e
and u will see the same number quit cos of 8th
doubt it.
If they do? Oh well. 7th books still exist.
Same thing happened in sigmar.
doesnt work like that
and you know what? 60% of those who rage quit 8e are those who drove away those who quit 7e.
? Do you now know about 9th age?
Sigmar was decried as TERRIBLE AND HORRIBLE AND WOE IS ME. People quit, or kept playing 8th. or even got behind a fanset ccalled 9th age. Then GHB came out with points and sigmar is as strong as ever.
very few people still play fantasy even tho all the rule books still exist; people tend to not want to play something thats deemed obsolete
uh... stupid question.. but where do we commit the new files?
I kinda just used cartag's branch thinking it somehow official since he worked on the GST already...?
I kinda just used cartag's branch thinking it somehow official since he worked on the GST already...?
yep that's right Thairne.
Yes, I used that branch too
should only be 2 index files in it now
good one.
3 files... Chaos, AdMech and Questor Imperialis
9th Age still has about 4 or 5 times the support of sigmar locally for me. Also Kings of War has about equal support to sigmar.
fine, 3.
AdMech snuck in there.
snucky bastards!
Customers remember when you wrong them, and it's still a long way to forgive for most of my people.
well imagine being the customer i was stood by the side of in warhammer world on the day they announced 8th
who had just been sold a pile of codexes
You mean the one who got refunds for all of those?
5 minutes later they call us all to attention and basically tell him they just sold him toilet paper
the refund announcement came days after
True. That wasn't handled gracefully.
WW shouldn't have been selling codexes
also consider all the people who bought into the recent books
sigmar EXPLODED in my local area - people who haven't played since 6e, and lots of 40k players now play aos - it's huge here in MD/PA/NJ/NY/V/VA
ynari, death watch, traitor legions, thousand sons
wv*
people who bought multiple packs of models just to use formations
weird, my w doesn't type is I hold shift.
So, powergamers.
all of the time GW knew, in some cases just 1 or 2 months later, all of it would be junk
so someone who buys a new book is a power gamer?
I have zero sympathy for people who were rushing to buy the new hotness as soon as net lists drop or abused formations.
gathering storm added new stuff, people bought the books and bought models to use the new rules
all of which now is useless
Someone buying multiple kits solely to use formations.
^this
i really don't get that
Of course GW knew. What did you want them to do, stop selling EVERYTHING once they knew a new ed was coming?
GW make a formation, may be a good one, or a shit one but either way it requires a min of lets say 3 units of something
All models are still "arguably" valid.
because gw even said that wasn't how the game was supposed to be played.
so someone buys 3 packs of models to use it, no idea if its good or not, just to try it cos thats how many models it needs
and you think they're in the wrong for doing that?
The books still have value to some for lore/art. And honestly, c'mon. We run Battlescribe. The points and rules is not the sole reason for buying those Codexes.
its the main reason
if you're in an area where you can't playlets before buying, that's also an issue.
my local playtest*
the reality is most people buy the books for the rules
the fluff is a nice aside but very few buy em just for the fluff
and if they did it would be a damn expensive book for little bit of story when you can just a full novel with way more content for a 4th of the cost
this general area is huge in play testing stuff - you're expected to have the models for tourneys is expected, but not the end all be alls
and if you wanted to try out some new formation, you used what you had and proxied to try it.
same for mine ... if your enjoyment of the game is so ruined because i'm testing a new unit, then I'm better off having not played that person.
listening to you both has really just solidified my opinion that i dont like the new rules
nor would i like to play with people with your attitudes
there was literally zero reason to drop money on units for a formation if you didn't know what it did. you bought want you wanted, and most people understood that outside of tourneys, playing powerful beat stick super-units was not how you're supposed to play 40k.
Sorry to hear that. As I said, you can't please everyone. If your local group does decide to stay on 7th. know that the 7th ed repo will be kept (though not maintained) for people to download and use.
that's fine - to each their own; however that's always been the sort of attitude that Gw has encouraged with how to play 40k
Thats the best quality we're gonna get boys.
reading through these narrative missions makes me really excited to play
i may have to bring the campaign forward a little...
how do we differenciate between keywords and faction keywords? because currently we don't/can't?
Last page is the campaign rules
thats what I want :)
there's actual campaign rules?
Make the faction ones: Faction: <Sept>
Faction: Necrons
So they are all grouped together.
YEa, last page in the first album I linked.
:+1:
Alright, i'm running to the store, i'll be back in a bit and get started on SM/Necrons
ah i see, its just suggestions for how to play a campaign
oh damn :(
I was hoping for a Path to Glory type of thing
I'd just like to ask @skonk what part of the rules are now less complicated and therefore boring? Yes, USA's went away, but now each model has its own rules so in some ways it is more complex...
And also, are you saying that you only play with a WYSIWYG army, and that you expect your opponent to play WYSIWYG or not at all...? Cos, that's pretty harsh...
With the house rule of "Hatred: Unpainted models"
I mean, it's cool either way, how a day who you play and like to play is up to you, we're just on the looking forward and see how it goes but..
checking the leaks from DA... so bland.
writing the AdMech cat already left me a bit underwhelmed and SM got it even worse.
ah nothing helps.
Starting on Dark Angels.
With that, all my 3 cats are in then.
Starting on Dark Angels.
With that, all my 3 cats are in then.
Guys, I'm seeing disappointments with some of the factions in here, just remember that the indices are simply to get you through the night until your codex drops. This is the bare minimum GW needed to do to make the game playable for everyone from the get go, that's all it is.
No faction disappointment here. Just a couple units I'm sad about in Tau. Necrons got buffed to the freaking stratosphere.
GSC look more or less the same, havent read through nids yet
Nids at first glance look a whole lot better than they were.
@Thairne are you going to put all Marines in the same file since there's a lot of shared stuff?
and i almost dont want to look at the spandex elves
Yea thairne, feel free to make my life easier :smile:
Elder look just as OP as before so that's all groovy :+1:
just tell me dire avengers are good and i'll be happy
I don't feel DA right now.
RW are righteously hit with the nerf bat to the extreme.
DW is... so vanilla it hurts. Like nothing special besides mixing of weapons at all.
We lost our bonus against CSM.
It's like skimmed milk.
RW are righteously hit with the nerf bat to the extreme.
DW is... so vanilla it hurts. Like nothing special besides mixing of weapons at all.
We lost our bonus against CSM.
It's like skimmed milk.
That's not a terrible idea because of how the faction keywords work ...
I think I might need to get some drukhari as well..
All astartes in one cat.
what?
nah
I dont want no smelly Calgar in my DA lists just as I dont want astra militarum in my admech cat
if they split up again at a later date you'll have more trouble
Whether you want it or not, it's a legal list.
How will we validate a detachment of SM and DA?
Since it's "Imperium"
categories.
thats why we do all this stuff
Right, GST is not set up that way now.
Currently we're same as before. One cat file per detachment. Limits on Elites/Troops/etc "Per Force"
it has to - sooner or later the indexes will turn into codexes again and expand on fluff and units
Yeah but what if codex DA says "use these units from codex SM adding this keyword"?
So with the way we have it set up now, how would I do a Brigade of SM, AM, and DA?
prototype AM is up
I can't do 3 Brigade detachments.
That wouldn't validate right.
yes but just imagine being lets say a Sisters player
now you have to sift through 2 dozen of troops that you neither want nor can use because those are not your army
now you have to sift through 2 dozen of troops that you neither want nor can use because those are not your army
I understand the downside.
But, we currently might as well not even validate number of choices.
everything is Cadia, yes.
Exactly.
that's why those categories need to happen
I'm going to start Orks. Because the only Faction keywords are "Ork" and "<Clan>" I'm putting it in its own CAT uncontroversial, right?
Yep, so i'm saying we should change the GST now to sort that out
Correct Tag.
and if you bandaid that now you'll have to do it that way later anyway PLUS have do pick apart the cats
Imperium is the fucker here.
Cartag already has chaos in one.
just fyi, AM is literally stripped down am, nothing else.
Ok, then we should fix GST now so that it works with cross cat validation.
I stripped out Fw and formations, and uploaded
chaos makes kind of sense in itself
Otherwise, can't we have show/hides the same as with forge world before?
Show/Hide would be one option.
Don't AoS datafile work the same way?
AOS datafiles are Grand Alliance.
Not faction.
aren't they?
correct
What's the difference between Grand Alliance: Order and Faction: Imperium?
size.
So I see two options: Imperium in one Cat with show/hide factions. Or we fix GST to validate cross cat in a single detachment.
the later without a doubt. More elegant, easier to maintain
and more future proof
If size is the problem then we'll have to keep them separate then
so shall we do the role call?
Agreed. I'd prefer that, which is why I'm saying we should not move forward with much more imperium implementation until we fix that.
Xenos races are no issue since they're all separate.
Yeah, if those are the reasons I agree too
Might as well.
Those 7 albums are the entirety of rules/index.
But I still think there may be a little problem
I'm writing up the post now. Gonna edit the Cat Keepers page.
I'll stick with my cats
What if I want two Brigade Detachments? Would battlescribe be able to handle them?
Depends on your device
mobiles are the crux
I see... I'm mainly interested in desktop versions though
I'll take AS, AAT, AC, AI, A, AM, BA, I, LoTD, MT, SoS
I don't want GK anymore lol
while I understand what you mean @Crowbar90 we have to always keep mobile in mind.
especially them android assholes lol
so.. aw, I think I'm too drained to be able to think right now...
Fixing the GST would require to validate based on categories.
We assign thsoe categories as Force Org Slots.
Now how would I personally go and do a patrol detachment over multiple cats... ....ngggggh....
Fixing the GST would require to validate based on categories.
We assign thsoe categories as Force Org Slots.
Now how would I personally go and do a patrol detachment over multiple cats... ....ngggggh....
@/all Hello 40k maintainers. We now have the entirety of the indexes leaked. We will be starting our 8th prep in earnest. Though I imagine this call won't bring many more people than have been here already, i'm still calling it out. Please raise your hand if you wish to help in the prep. For initial releases, we're going to be dividing up the factions so that one author is working on those particular files. After release, we will go back to collaborative creation, but for the initial - we only want one person working in the file. Below are the current "Claims":
@Thairne - Admech, IK, DA
@alphalas - AS, AAT, AC, AI, A, AM, I, LoTD, MT, SoS
@kohato - Necrons, SM
@bitjump - Tau
@tag8833 - Orks
Please let us know what cat you will be working on. I will be marking all of it down here: https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/wiki/Catalogue-Keepers
fuck it I'll let someone rewrite BA; I'll maintain later
@alphalas yeah I know, I just stated that I almost always use the desktop one, didn't mean to drop mobile :) and I'm an android asshole anyway :P
I got a shitton to do otherwise lol
Lmao yea, you have quite a bit.
I've started on GSC, and i'm planning to do tyranids after
are LoTD in the SM leaks too?
in which case I'll drop them too
Yeah everything is in the leaks
I didn't search them out but the 7 albums I posted should have everything
I meant specifically in the estates thingies
Thanks gen, got it down.
saw them
I can do basically anything you guys want to drop
just a single page if I remember right
astartes*
So if @alphalas drops them I can take BA and LotD
go for it.
Alright Crow.
Who is our Eldar coder?
IK should already be completed by the way
ah yes. Time to pcik that one apart :D
@/all @alphalas's revised list is as follows: AS, AAT, AC, AI, A, AM, I, MT, SoS
I being INquisition?
si
Let's hope there isn't any heresy :P
@tag8833 usually @FarseerVeraenthis and @efalsken are the 'dar dudes
@efalsken doesn't pop in often though
it looks awfully clean at a glance... nothing to purge. Sadface.
Revised.
Let me know if i'm missing anyone/any factions.
Blanks are currently not spoken for.
Missing Blood Angels
86 me off gk
O.o Holy shit I am. I didn't even delete it either.
And I'd be very happy to take Deathwatch if you don't mind
I'd rather not be on SW
Done, done, and Done.
Done also.
I'll take DW
you might have to fight @flakpanda or @FarseerVeraenthis for D
dw*
lol thought so
re-done.
Also, rename sisters to talons of the emperor
i'll do some pointy-ears when im done with nids, if nobody has claimed it by then
oh right, those were combined.
Thanks.
Also - how do you spell drukari
Since it's both SoS and custods
were they recombined again
?
*
It's Drukhari I think :) and if it's still free I'll take GK after I've done the other ones
SoS have Imp, Telepathica and SoS factions
I'll take GK too
Oh good then!
So it's 3 factions now?
one cat file?
Done Flak.
cant find custodes atm
@Crowbar90 I'll help maintain BA once it's done.
Custodes got rolled into talons @GenWilhelm
The index has them listed as "Talons of the Emperor"
custodes just have Imp and Custodes
Id edit it myself, biut i'd just cause a conflict - skitarii and admech are one now it seems. Wiki can reflect that
So we'll leave it taht right now.
Done thairn.
I see no one is claiming aeldari,lol
Please put me down for Imperial Armour: Xenos Aeldari once that is released/leaked.
Wasn't even separating those until we see if they're just addons or separate factions.
I. E. Corsairs, etc.
I was just referancing all 4 factions
Does anyone have a fetish for wolves? Since my cats should not be huge I may do SW too after them
Ok, https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/wiki/Catalogue-Keepers should be set. Crowbar, feel free to add your name to a blank one if you start implementing. I'll leave it blank for now since you wanted to do nids/GSC first before picking up the others.
I'm not sure index IA will even have spereate factions anymore.
I hope it does.
Ok @Kohato, good choice. When I'm done with the first ones I'll check if the wolves are still free
Corsairs are their own army.
They are now.
Which armies have we seen actually collapsed?
Aeldari.
Like, all of them.
I'm wondering if drukhari/craft world/harlequins/ynnari will be one cat... Keyword aeldari maybe. Would be nice to see honestly
So can we start entering data soon or should we wait until GST has been modified?
Eldar are Aeldari with <Craftworld> keyword
I'm thinkin so Flak.
Yeah i am too
Xenos can enter now, there's no issue with that. Imperium, feel free to enter shit now with the caveat that you may have to change a bit later.
Makes sense
Ok, good. I love the risk!
If you do it right it SHOULD not be much work
Alright, I combined them on the wiki
Aeldari should be one cat. Won't be any bigger than SM tbh.
:+1:
I love how Xenos 1 is just Aeldari + Necrons.
I'd says it's a book of old ones, but its orks
missing
Necrontyr and Aeldari were the oldest there is weren;t they?
O_o
orks are as old as dar
^
they were created at the same time by old ones
OK. So I downloaded the 40K8eprep branch. I wanted to see how you guys have been setting it up by creating a roster in BS. Are you using a newer version of BS?
the alpha
Where do I get the alpha release?
I can take Wolves if no one else wants them?
I would love to drive eldar, but if someone else has a burning desire to do it then, go wild...
BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#133 @tag8833
Haven't really touched BS in months due to that pesky work stuff.
Thanks.
I play Marines & Tau but don't mind pitching in to help.
@penguin20000 I was planning on doing them after BA and LotD, but I have no issues if you want to do them
If I have time I'll get to Aeldari. Summer class is 4 days a week :p
Has anyone collated all the leaks in one place yet? I've not seen some of them
Scroll WAYYYY up
:smile:
Lol ok
Core rules + each index.
Just found it :D
I'll look at starting tonight.
@bitjump You on gitter yet?
duh, yea he is - I talked to him already
There's a conflict in his pull :/
Is there a way to DL all imgur images in an album in one go?
Nah you can download each as an album though
on the page.
Yes.
Lol
very very bottom
i see, have to scroll all the way down :)
the "..."
then download post.
The conflict is in the GST if I remember correctly, you can probably accept his Tau file without the older GST and it should probably work
Yea, it's a plasma cannon profile
use the web editor to resolve the conflict?
I can mark it resolved but i dont know what that will break
Anyone actually good with github conflict management?
I have some experience with it but I don't have a computer right now
I can try and check it from my phone though
there ya go
Great
and merged
We should get him access to the repo.
... did github just die ?
nvm
oh wow. Mysterious objectives changed a bit
Sabotoged is so much meaner now.
mortal wounds?
D3 Mortals to the unit who discovered it.
ouch
NICE!
Yea, and another " At the end of your shooting phase roll a dice. 5+ choose an enemy unit in 36" and it takes d3 mortals
why again would I want TDA with all those mortal wounds flying about?
Night fighting is back to a BS penalty based on range.
That objective will be something you want to fight over :p
Yes!
Stock 3-4 player rules!
Lol. the most unused section of the Advanced rulebook: Death from the Skies
i once saw people play the dogfight phase
it might see more use now that flyers don't need skyfire to shoot at :/
meaning more people will bring them
well the helldrake is basically a skimmer now
You mean a f ucking drag racer ...
30" movement.
I still love the one idea my friends and I had - play dogfights with X-wing scale minis on a sideboard.
Currently working :( I'll have to look at the leaks later
ooh, shotguns are actually worth considering now
+1S at half range
oh nice
scouts in a landspeeder storm could be fun
this is where I put my Landspeeder Storm
IF I HAD ANY!!!
IF I HAD ANY!!!
Can I start implementing Tau this/next day?
uploading imp1 pdf ;)
tau is already mostly done.
Who is undone?
at least I think it is
Tau's been claimed and amazingly, nearly done.
I say claimed, this is collaborative. but I mean @bitjump has gotten it nearly all ready
ah, thanks
building imp2 pdf now.
That's not to discourage you from hanging out and contributing, we're trying to keep the initial commits to 1 person per cat so there's no conflicts in the initial uploads.
after that, it's back to collaborative development.
^this
and if you want to work on some of the ones with my name on it, go for it lol
cat being catalog.
not ... feline.
I can try with Arle for start
Yea, Alpha kinda bit off 2 index books lol.
Arle?
Harlequins
Oh, that make ssense.
So here's the thing about them.
It seems like all Aeldari have been combined to Aeldari.
for the faction keyword.
There's no problem in mergin' multiple files
So if you do those, make a cat file called "Aeldari" instead of harlequins
and just add the harles there.
Some there is. We don't want to create an Imperium catalog ...
Aeldari we think can safely be made in one cat file.
isn't it better to create separate eldar catalogues and then merge them?
Not sure what you mean by merge.
There's no tool to merge them together, it's all copy/paste by hand.
i think he means work on the sub-factions in separate cats, then combine them into one
As you should know, catalogues are plain .xml
Ahh
there's minimal crossover, so it wont be too painful
If you've done that, go for it.
kk, I'll try
I hate digging through xml - so it'll be nice to have another face that can sift through it.
scripts for easier life?
regex more like :P
^ - or mass find/replaces.
Is about the extent of my xml work.
(previously, i'd half-implemented some tool for elder battlescribe version for easier catalogue edditing, but they did change a lot)
(so I know it's structure)
If we could talk @Jonskichov into giving meaningful default names to links (i. E. copy of the title of the linked item) the XML would be meaningfully hand editable
are we not tracking power levels in this?
With every link being named "new link", it would be a nightmare
we should be. its easy
+1 to that
Power Level should be a 2nd cost type.
^
Would we support two separate databases?
its just tracked along with points
? For what
PL vs Points? no
kk
cool, ill update the gst
there will just be some conditionals for units that gain power levels for more models.
ie the second set of 5 is +x PL
That's fairly easy to do as long as the 2nd set is divisible by model count.
Example. Unit of 5 is 12 PL and 5 more is 10 PL. Unit cost would be 2 PL, and each individual entry in the unit is 2 PL each.
Unfortunately, no, 'casue 7 PL would cost 22, like 10 PL
increment by 10 for each 5 selections in unit
i think is what he meant
ah, I see
It is a big wonky
CSM for example.
what suffix do we want? PL? Power Level(s)?
Why not just Power?
which branch contains updated for 8th core?
wh40k8thprep
thx
40k8eprep *
does it include both Pts and PL?
I think @Jonskichov needs to cook upna more powerful programmable arithmetic engine
Not yet, I think gen is doing that now.
yeah, what is the second cost type going to be called?
Pts. PL.
Is fine with me.
POW. :P
Ok batman.
Maybe 'Power'?
CY KAPOW ER
CKYA?
LOL no actually that was a WM/H reference lol
@Kohato russian vulgar
I know ;)
sorry, this isnt twitch chat. i shouldnt be spamming
Is anyone editing the GST right now?
MID OR FEED CYKA BLYAT
yes
be out in 2 seconds
I'm uploading my pdfs to my dropbox now
Who are GST?
@GenWilhelm while you're at it, there seems to be a duplicate profile
game system
thx
GST - the main system file
warhammer40k.gst
understood
Chainsword, near the end... there are two with id 9b1e-61f9-4a5b-0044
Lol @Crowbar90
Oh damn
thought it might be the plasma gun
that was in bitjump's pull
was gonna laugh
no, I don't know where that comes from
I can fix it myself, but since @GenWilhelm is already editing I though it might be faster
Additionally, Astra Militarum catalog is not working, but it's probably since it still references the old game system
It doesn't cause any issue anyway, unlike the duplicate in the GST which prevents the creation of other catalogs
I thought I updated the GST for it
"Cannot open catalogue Astra Militarum because the game system file was not found."
weird
alright, GST is updated
Holy shit
The Dark Imperium box set.
it's actually the full 250 page Hardcover rulebook
the 65$ one.
yup
oh man, thats cool
they said that
That's a fucking steal.
I figured it'd be a small SC version like the current sets.
nah full hardback
That's such a good deal.
I'm gutted i didn't get time to play the new rules at Warhammer Fest
Damn ironclad assualt launchers cause D3 mortal wounds
(on a 4+)
I'm liking how Mortals/regular wounds works with bleeding.
It actually gives units purpose. Troop clearing or character clearing.
@GenWilhelm , pls, fix leading space in Power Levels display name
it is ' PL'
tsk tsk tsk.
You're fired @GenWilhelm
Or should I fix it myself?
Ok, I'll do
So if there is an upgrade with a cost of 0 that has no downside what-so-ever, but the rules say "May Take..." Should I just make it always taken?
I'd say no.
If you delete all the old cats out of the 8thprep branch, will that hurt anything?
May it's done for modelling purposes (i.e., 2 grenades for 5 models)
They should already be gone flak.
Last I looked this morning, they were all there
Yeah, it is for modling purposes "May take an Attack Squig". it's free and gives you a few extra attacks, so the only reason not to take one all the time is modeling.
What is your version of BS?
leading space was intentional. "7 PL" looks better than "7PL" imo
ah, thanks
currently working on BS 2.01.00.82
strange. I've just download one and it's v2.00.17.74
its a prerelease version
BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#133
I wake up and holy Necron changes
put imperium in gst? I think I missed this discussion
//=========
Which is proper way to handle keywords in bold?
Which is proper way to handle keywords in bold?
arnt all keywords in bold :p
ive been putting them in ALL CAPS, since raw text output is a thing
I've also been capsing any relevant keyword in text descriptions
now that I've updated the rev of AM people able to open it?
its not in the list of catalogues in the roster editor
data editor tells me game system not found
its still pointing at the old GST id
Should I include Power Sword profile into .cat, if it could be found in .gst?
use the one in the gst
++
oh, if you use anything from the gst, make sure its up to date. not everything in there is 8e, some of it is left over from 7th
Yea, we'll need to go back and clear old stuff out sometime
I saw
Things like Infiltrate aren't updated, but Infiltrator (the new term) should be added and usable
do we have anyone doing fortifications?
cause they'll easily get forgotten amongst everything else
I don't think so
Also - we need to change the Wound table in GST
to Wounds Taken to Wounds Remaining.
New40k uses remaining rather than wounds suffered.
Oh, yeah, I was gonna mention that
@GenWilhelm can you fix it por favor?
God damn I'm so happy now. T-vault is a sexy beast now.
Necrons are scaring me just a little
Why?
They look more annoying than they ever used to be.
Oh yea.
Reanimation is gonna piss a lot of people off.
Reanimation Protocols is a thing, Quantum Shielding makes me want to cry, all their vehicles regen wounds every turn
Especially since crypteks boost it
Night Scythes have no capacity and just get to teleport reserves onto the field, AP-1 on baseline infantry
Deep Striking Monoliths that can also teleport reserves
Sweet jesus
Also, 20W monolith.
Yeah.
I need more than my 1 now.
@GenWilhelm if you have to edit GST please check the entry for Lightning Claws... Currently two of them cost 6.5 pts each (correct) but one costs 0 pts (sadly not correct)
most of these powerful units got much more expensive tho
Hah.
Nope. Tvault lowered by 55 points.
I mean, it's a very very odd 496 points now.
but that's less than the 550 it was :)
Was it a LoW previously?
si.
Neato.
So that didn't change.
Ghostkeels are what I'm eyeing up - they're a little weaker but they didn't get smacked around by the huge points increase across the board
Also, the powers aren't shot from the C'tan inside.
which means the corners of the damned model don't block LOS.
That was the stupidest thing in the world.
I think the stupidest thing for LoS/firing arcs was the Knight FAQ
Yea, that too was dumb.
But yeah, gut instinct is Necrons are gonna be very powerful and might be a tad too cheap
yep.
Immortals.
40pts without wargear.
nvm, 9pts for their weapons. So 17 per, which I think matches what they are now actually.
Yeah, 17 points for 24" Rapid Fire 1 S5 AP-2
With the reanimation protocols durability
Seems very good
That's 1 strength off Tau plasma, which is 11 points for the gun - and I'm still bitter about Tau plasma.
Oh, btw. That T-vault
It's only shooting weapons are Assault.
Run and shoot!
"So, why is Tau plasma special?" 'Well, it doesn't get hot! It's a little weaker but safer!'
"So now in 8th edition, all plasma can fire without getting hot. What do Tau get?" 'Well....'
Did GW every say anything about weapon facing on vehicles?
Like, can the T-vault fire all 4 spheres at 1 target now?
havent read the vehicle rules yet
nothing about firing arcs anywhere. there are no "vehicle rules".
yea that's why I was asking
That's ... so strong
so the keyword does nothing?
supersonic flyers can shoot behind them
20 S7 tesla shots.
the keyword interacts with other abilities. Like haywire blasters do more damage against units with Vehicle keyword, Poison does less.
the only keywords in the core rules are Character and Fly.
so if my dozer blade can see the enemy round a corner, the sponson on the opposite side can shoot them?
that's my understanding
If you want to be universally hated, yes.
But remember, that same guy you shot can shoot you.
shooting rules only say "check if it's visible". I can imagine tournament organizers stipulating line of sight from the eyes or barrel, as some have in the past.
okay, thats a reasonable argument
@Crowbar90 I'm only seeing one lightning claw entry in the gst
Yes, with cost 0 pts and a modifier which sets cost to 6.5pts if two are equipped
the base cost should be 9
Is keyword Legendary supposed to be used for Unique Characters?
ah, i get you
Legendary woudl be used if the dataslate has legendary listed as a keyword .
Thank you!
Hey everyone, you might have seen some comments of mine here and there on issues. I would like to help out with creating the Space Wolves and other catalogs if they haven't been created already. I've got some fairly extensive Data Editor experience as I have created a couple catalogs for personal use. Let me know if there is any way I can contribute!
Should inv save be presented in profile?
thats your choice, i think most people do
Hmm... I've come across some weapons that are available in the GST, but with the older profile. Should I link to that profile and change it later or create a new one?
Should all rules and profiles be shared, or unique ones could be in-place?
I think we all agree on shared, but I wanna make sure
(wow, battlescribe can copy objects between instances)
I'm really glad it can, after having written all of the T'au weapon profiles then realising I couldn't save that datafile because I wasn't using the alpha
Hey @Gnofry, we've got a list of catalogues with people assigned to them here: https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/wiki/Catalogue-Keepers - I think SW are already spoken for by @penguin20000. There's craftworld, drukhari and ynnari not assigned yet, or if you ask somebody who has multiple (like @alphalas) I'm sure you can take something off them.
I would be glad to help with that faction. Is it decided that aeldari will be one catalog, or is that just how it is assigned?
@Crowbar90 if its a 7th ed profile then update it.
Ok :) I'll finish these links then I'll update them
By now, I've created branch for all aeldari codices, I'm working on harlequins now
(unpushed yet)
@USSX-Hares again, its up to the data author. I prefer to have unique wargear and rules under the model they belong to, but its whatever your preference is
I'll merge all files if required before merging into 8e branch
Can I get push access for a branch 40k8eprep_eldar?
You could fork then submit a PR.
As an alternative, anyway.
I've already forked
However, if anybody other wants to use this branch, it should be created on origin
you'll need to get @amis92 to join you to the repo in order to get push access, until then you can submit a pull request and have one of us merge it
I'm updating weapon profiles in the GST... Since we're going to have a lot of Adeptus Astartes catalogs, should I add all Space Marines weapons to the GST? This way all cats would just have to link to it
yeah, if you want to do that i'm sure it would help a lot of people
Ok, great
Go for it. I'm working on Necrons today and tomorrow - so any progress anyone wants to do on SM - feel free.
I have no real attachment to it :p
@GenWilhelm can you fix which GST AM pulls from?
already did :)
Sweet thanks
I'll re sync and get back to work
hey @gen there are 2 chainswords with identical id's in gst
funnily enough, gen is a real user.
... really?
@GenWilhelm
good, hopefully they can fix it for you :P
have you synced alpha? cos that got fixed earlier
I synced yes - or else I wouldn't be fixing unit types right now :P
i see a chainsword entry, a heavy chainsword profile, and a chainsword profile
anyone else on ios able to confirm?
Mac, not ios
its all frutti tutti to me
have you restarted the data editor since your last sync?
si
is it there if you open up the gst?
idk apparently I can only have one editor running at a time on mac
You know this is probably going to be the neatest the IG cat has been a while
How do I make it combine selection entries into a counter instead of showing each one?
I want it to group the Slugga/choppa boyz together. I've done it before, but can't remember how to do it this morning.
make all their wargear collective
I thought I tried that. Let me try it again.
That did the trick. thanks.
@GenWilhelm ill suport working on the tyranids, but i´m currently out of time for anything more then minor changes. but will help to iron out bugs continously
no worries. i havent started on the tyranids yet, so any progress there would be great
Am i doing something wrong? i'm trying to look at the other catalogues that people have started but no matter which file i open i get this error.
the ID in the error message is the id in the catalogue file. The GameSystemId is correct though
do you have the files in the battlescribe data folder?
I do now yes
Copied them over from where git placed them
does it work if you open them from that directory?
nope
the alpha client has its own data location, is it in that one?
Though i may have screwed my data folder. What's the default folder location? I may accidently set it to somewhere else, but the data is now when Battlescribe is looking
Or meant to be
default is C:\Users\<USERNAME>\BattleScribe_ALPHA\data
Let me try putting it back there
had that error today. Your data file location in BS is not coherent with where the GST actually is
Just reinstalling it
That's the contents of my data folder
ok, i had to import the gst into BattleScribe
which then made a "Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition" folder with a Warhammer40k.gstz in it
Could I get push permissions on 40k8eprep to update some Tau data?
... fucking seriously? I can't save the damn changes because of the goddamn chainsword.
.<
:(
this is fucking weird.
I go into GST, check chainsword - there's only one.
open the AM cat again, it says there's 2.
I'm about 2/3 of the way done with Orks. uploaded what I have so far. i'll get back to work tomorrow.
If anyone wants to take a look at that cat and figure out wtf is up with it and maybe strip it back down be my guest
i can only see 1 Chainsword in the AM cat
@bitjump That'll be @amis92 to do that :)
Ah, alright!
Ok, what did I miss while at work
I finished adding all Space Marines Wargear
While I'm at it, I checked how many 7th edition leftovers are used in the new files... They're only a few luckily
I'll remove the unused ones and leave the others in the GST until the links are removed from the other files
Specifically, I'm talking about the rules Poisoned (used once in Astra Militarum file) and Psyker (used once in Orks and once in Chaos)
No wait - I won't remove anything yet, I wanna be completely sure before I do
Hi, is there any way I could test the current version of this?
@cartag or anyone really. how am i referancing generic SM dataslates for gk/dw? am i just adding in my own?
oh wow. just noticed they suggest an 8x4 table for 2k to 3k games
Jeez
Yea. Francesco, if you wanted to implement sm as well go for it. I'm swamped at work. Necrons will be all I have time for this week I think.
And yea. Big big table.
I can pick up some slack if there's anything else that needs covering.
So i have a question. how would one do an IMPERIUM army in one detachment in BS if we are still seperating out the factions?
To our new people, don't worry about Chaos. I typically work on big sweeping changes on the back end that don't get synced right away because they're not ready for prime time yet. A good number off them end up being common practice for other files. I respectively ask you leave them alone, not that anybody has done anything wrong, just a preemptive request :)
I don't know if we can from one detachment with separate cats
Cartag is probably a bit excited for chaos in 40k now :p
i know, its the AoS problem
thats why there are only 4 cats
i couldnt imagine how monsterous an Imperium catalog would be
We'd need a catalogue for the highest-level shared tag of a faction, right? So Imperium, Chaos, Aeldari, then assorted Xenos
if we plan on accomidating top-level keyword armies
Chaos is being done as one file, with a broad selection like legions were/are in 7th
And yeah @Kohato I am going to actually play!
And tell the WAAC players to go outside and play hide and go Fuck yourselves
correct, same with imperium, or aeldari. its a top down approach. you select more grainular factions. IE Imperium > Adeptus Astartes > Ultramarines
you just show everything to start
just like how i set up AoS Grand Alliance > Faction > subfaction
so the question now become, is that what we do for imperium?
damn, they included termius ultra in the index.
Included whatnow?
Titankiller LR
3 TL las, 2 single las
It's from before marines had access to guard supers
Oh, neato.
400 points for match play :p
Sounds bout right
Whoa, really?
yeah
that's awesome. I wish they'd include the Slaughterfiend, and yes, I will continue to say that until they add it, dammit!
5 or 0 transcap previously; and if you rolled 3 1s to hit it suffered a catastrophic detonation iirc
Or the og plague super
so DW KTs are base 5 vets, but can include up to 5 more models in combo of vets/termies/bikes/vvets
intersting how they did that
Can basic KTs ride in rhinos?
yeah
you add keywords terminator, biker, and jump pack respectively
frag cannon still OP, lol