Glad you'll be playing cartag :) I'm really happy with what they've done myself.
have you seen the kind of stuff Kharn and the Zerkers get now? I HAVE to play!
lol
well seems like world eaters are attacking twice in combat so
and on turns they charge into combat, twice before the opponent can attack back
How do you guys interpret keywords for mixed units? For example, Rhinos cannot transport TERMINATOR keyword units. Grey Hunters are not TERMINATOR keyword datasheets. However, they can include a terminator armored model which doesn't seem to change the keywords of the unit.
it should add the keyword for adding a terminator
I think I'd laugh if an opponent tried to argue that because there's no rule about keywords like that stopping the unit embarking.
Same for Ragnar and his fenrisian wolves. They form an INFANTRY unit, and there is no mechanic written to add BEAST to the keywords.
So wolves in a Rhino
fuck… hes right. nowhere does it say that the pack leader in terminator armor add the keyword while in terminator armor
so RAW as we know it, yes they can
And then, Lukas affects the Wolf Guard Pack Leader in a unit of Blood Claws because it affects BLOOD CLAW keyword units
unless day 1 errata
It is really a strange mechanic
yeah, there are some strange AoS keyword interactions
RAW, 1 GH Pack Leader, 8 Grey Hunters with two specials, and a WGPL in terminator armor inside one rhino because the model is not keyworded to take up 2 slots.
Frown.
well, rhinos arnt suppose to carry terminators
so its just plain terminators in rhinos
because of no keywording
Yeuch. They'll probably have to errata saying it makes them ineligible to enter Rhinos or something.
It seems they outsmarted themselves with some of the SW stuff. Like how the left handed storm shield replaces the right handed bolter now.
i mean, i assume every one is ambidextrous is 40k
Oh, for certain, its more of that the kit physically does not support the weapon combinations they have created, while it does support weapon combinations that they made illegal.
yeah
I just merged all my work for today - All Space Marines wargear is available as shared entries from the GST, while Questor Imperialis and Legion of the Damned should be complete. BA is just started
:+1:
Anyway, time to get some sleep :) see you tomorrow for more hard work :)
I'm working on Chaos now after a long day of leading a group at work
i think we still need to think about doing one imperium cat before we get to far
i think we still need to think about doing one imperium cat before we get to far
Me too...
Is there any other real solution?
not currently that i can tell
gimme a sec, I want to try something
for??? @cartag
Another solution :) I had an idea
oh
do tell
It passes validation for Patrol detachment
I need to play around with the specifics, but we can tell it to limit the categories based on the second detachment type selected
and it's all set in GST, nothing different that data authors need to do
Would it work for multi - multi forces?
We can add an entry telling how to set up a multi-force detachment, they just pick the first force and "multi-force" instead of a different type, then add the second one and choose what type of detachment you really want, it will set limits appropriately
You could add multiple secondary forces
I meant more two primary and two secondary
each primary and secondary set would be one detachment type, like one Patrol. You could do two, one Patrol and one Battalion for instance
What do you guys think of this solution?
Ah, I see. I think that's rather elegant.
I'm just not sure how to handle it if somebody picks one battalion and one patrol, for instance
can you sync real quick so i can look at it? name it test if you want
it'll fuck up @Crowbar90 's last sync
This should work, the more I look at it. I'll set the modifiers dependent on what detachment type is selected, keep everything 0 if mixed
I wish we could do modifier groups though based on a single condition, would make this so much more compact
omg this is what we need. why didnt we think of this before :p
i just did it on my gst real quick
Because we didn't have categories before
true
I think @Crowbar90 will understand a change for the better breaking his work
This should provide a good frame work, the HQ entries
all you should have to do @cartag is add the deatchments into multi-force. shouldnt have to change them at all
We will, we need to set them to Multi-force, not parent
and we need a check to determine the types are the same in the multi-force
but we could take the checks off the nested ones
so just set the min/max on units at root level, have the sub detachments just have category link with no constraints.
yeah, just added two patrols to the same multi. didnt satisy both :/
so you will have to play with the constraints
Depending on how you have your constraints set up
did you set the ones at root level to count for child selections and all child forces?
just copy/pasted them into it
from what?
the gst into the multi
did you change the max in ___ to multi-force detachment instead of force?
one sec, changing them to in multi-force
you can get rid of nested completely
nested constraints that is
this is with HQ constraints set to Multi-Force
screenshot editor for me
copy the constraint out of the nested detachment and paste in root of Multi-force
so cut HQ out of Patrol and into top level Multi-Force?
No
Copy HQ out of Patrol and into top level multi-force, then leave HQ in Patrol but remove constraints
oh
And I just came up with an elegant solution for figuring constraints. Have Brigade Detachment and Brigade Detachment MF
In MF, add sub-force, only Brigade Detachment available
this is SO doable
and from my testing here, it works like a dream
still didnt invalidate my roster….
Click on the min selections constraint and screenshot in data editor
hmmm
what about adding constraints directly to the catagory and moding them based on detachments chosen?
are you making a new roster each time, or reloading the same one?
i make new
What if they choose a patrol and brigade detachment in the same MF force?
How would you validate?
what about adding constraints directly to the catagory and moding them based on detachments chosen?
It'll be too much slowdown
ok
and the "what if they chose a patrol....." was in response to that
how would you mod the constraints if they chose two different sub detachments?
And here's the latest that is working:
Right, but what if you just select multi-force and put all your detachments in there? instead of having to select a battalion and mf battalion?
trying to make it easier for end user
because we need it to be as easy as we can make it
That's about the easiest we can make it
Unless you can come up with a better way to do validation, because we simply cannot do it force wide with different types of detachments.
If you want to just throw everything into a bucket and just say "fuck it, who cares" we could increment a full total, the sum of all parts
that would work
thats what i suggested, but how slow would it be is the question
ill play with it later. if you come up with something easier, cool. I actually have to head out
Not near as slow as trying to validate all MF options and modify to check on a single detachment
time for me to eat too
l8r
We're gonna have to do them individually, a mass one will not increment min/max properly
Haven't we had a long standing issue with the multi-level stuff though with constraints? I thought we had... anyway, setting constraints at root level for a MF detachment works
So this is why my buddy wanted to hang out :D https://imgur.com/xUUhK5E
nice!
Yeah, we are about to play 2k
factions?
Chaos vs sm
May Chaos reign supreme
as long as they're not EC or Slaaneshi fanboys
in which case, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
He plays nurgle
I hope you get your ass kicked in XD
Chaos4Life
I mean I play Tzeentch/1k Sons too. Just didn't want to do chaos v chaos
Greetings, which data files I need to add to get rid of the error: Data file is too old and is no longer supported?
Wow @cartag I just woke up and saw your solution, sounds great! Don't worry about the data I've entered, I can add them again :)
Oh, I have an idea... Once you've finished your magic with the detachment, put the GST in a pull request to the branch crowbar90-8ed
This way I can merge the two files without losing anything :)
righto boys, that was a heck of a catch up...
did I see someone is already working on Aeldari??
Idk. Just got home after that game of 8 to tho
because I think I might just maintain Aeldari and Deathwatch and not create them from scratch... I can hardly keep up with the chat, let alone find time to enter all the data into a new CAT
how did it go?
So awesome.
:+1:
also, Deathwatch Kill Team = Awesome in 8th
Played 2k in about 2.5 hours
I mean, I think they're cool in 7th, but in 8th they look fab
and that is extremely good going
And that was my first game and his second
mega
DW KTs look awesome
I'll have to test them out. I see GK, 1k Sons, and slaanesh being good tho. Going first in combat is very key.
yah, I think they will all have a biker and a VV as standard
*DW KT's
So positioning is important
who won last night? Chaos or SM? and what were the rough forces??
UM
Hey ran GUO, typhus, Abbadon, 2x20 Plaguebearers, 3x5 plague Marines, 1 nugle herald, 8 nurglings
I ran Guilliman, Libby w/jump, chaplain w/jump, 10 VVets, 2x10 Tac w/rhinos, 10sniper scouts, contemptor, 3centurions grav/missiles
righto, how many turns did you play? since stuff seems to die fast these days
The +1 to S/T/A power for SAM is awesome. I charged again with the vvets and had 27 S6 and 4 S7 attacks
Abbadon*
We played 5
wow so, sounds good, everything didn't get murdered instanstly
And while things did die, turns just sent way faster. Like 5th ed fast.
He didn't have much shooting so I avoided quite a bit of death.
Oh, he played be'lakor to ok
Too*
Grav still had a place. My centurions did work
Has*
But they are like 360 points for that load out now
Ace :-)
also, further to your chat with Cartag last night, I take it we're going to continue with separate CAT's for Imperium
Sounds like it sooner we have a way to do multi force cats
Since*
fabulous, although, Eldar still going to be all-in-one yes?
Afaik, yes
:+1:
mega
whats the link to the repo to use?
in battlescribe that is
for 8th??
yeah
i mean to paste into battlescribe data manager
you'll need to link into the wh40k8eprep branch on Github, ut it is not ready for release yet
okey
we're still building the cataloges
so if you desperately want to use the 8th Ed data that is up at the moment you need to go to the branch on github and manually download it into the data location you're using for Battlescribe
otherwise, it should go live on the 17th of June, and you should just be able to click "update data" in battlescribe and it will update itself (theoretically)
in other news @GenWilhelm Dire Avengers look good, Exarch has 2 wounds, otherwise everything else is as before... although, they have a 7" move (so they're pretty fast) and they have Sunburst Grenades which are 6" // Grenade D6 // 4 // -1 // 1
that is a good question actually, if a model can fire all its weapons, can it throw grenades as well as shooting??
One model per unit can forgo using other shooting weapons and throw a grenade, in the base rules
I haven't got that far through the rulebook yet, but that sounds fair
am I right in thinking that power levels are directly comparable - so the Rangers are 5 Power, while a squad of Dire Avengers is only 3, and Banshees are 4... Rangers are one of the more powerful "basic" units in the Eldar codex...
Windrider Scatter Laser spam will still be a thing
And the reason all the Eldar units have the Aeldari keyword is so that they can be part of a Ynnari army, which still has Soulburst, although all the individual units lose their other abilities... How can we handle this in BS? can we manage it with a modifier??
@USSX-Hares how far through are you on Aeldari?
and @Lloydski246 the only way to "test" anything at the moment is to download the wh40k8eprep branch from the github repo
Hi everyone, I was reviewing the T'au empire index file from github repo and I noticed a few things: Riptide base model points cost is not accurate (204pts in .cat instead of 209pts), Pathfinder and Pathfinder Shas'ui are missing their stats lines, Kroot are equiped with the wrong weapon (Kroot gun instead of Kroot rifle). How could I participate ?
Currently catalogues are being authored by single people, and i believe @bitjump is doing Tau. If you want to open an issue on the repo and tag it as 8th edition I'm sure he'll fix any bugs you find.
How can I check if a parent belongs to a specific category? Instance of?
yep, should be Instance Of
Hmm ok
Looks like it's not working though... Or maybe I'm not using correctly
can you give a screenshot?
Yeah just a sec
As you can see, Storm shield should increase its cost to 15 when taken by a Character
I put the Character category in Captain but it still shows as 5 points
hmm yea, seems like a bug. i can only get it to work for the primary category
i would leave it as is and post a bug report on the BS alpha repo, see what Jon says
Ok, will do that later
Just a head's up to the person taking care of the Aeldari cats, and I don't know if it's going to be relevant or not for the way the cats are being build, but it concerns the keywords Aeldari, Drukhari, Ynnari, Asuryani and Craftworld.
Aeldari is the term used for all Eldar, irrespective of their origin. Drukhari, Ynnari and Harlequins are their respective factions.
But the Craftworld Eldar have become Asuryani, and it is that term that denotes the faction, not <Craftworld>.
<Craftworld> is just there to allow people to come up with their own Craftworld, but mainly it's there to keep people form taking Eldrad from Ulthwé together with Prince Yriel from Iyanden and so forth.
It's probably obvious, just thought I'd put it out there since I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere yet.
Hmm this is weird... Now battlescribe crashes while trying to create a new BA detachment
most likely cause of that is a loop somewhere
alright, ive just nuked the shared rules in the GST. apologies to anyone whose cat i just broke
@Owlsbane good catch, also, it will be interesting to find out what the "Warhost" key word will do...
I think @USSX-Hares has built and Aeldari CAT but I don't know if he's managed to upload it yet.
@GenWilhelm any idea about how to find that loop?
go and check any entry links you made recently :P
make sure nothing's linked to itself or something that links back to it
Hmm ok...
@Owlsbane <craftworld> is probably going to be a more granular keyword for army bonuses, like <chapter> or cadia/catachan
yeah, I don't think there is anything stopping you bringing Eldrad and Yriel in the same army
you can bring them in an "Asuryani" detachment, but not in a specific craftworld detachment
Exactly, that's what I meant. Not the same detachment and in some cases buffing just units from their own Craftworld (look at Yriel for instance).
Yeah, that's what I meant, but didn't explain because I was distracted before finishing properly :+1:
:smile:
Fuck it, I couldn't find any loop so I stashed all the changes and went back to my previous commit... Luckily it wasn't too old
Did that fix the issue?!
Yeah, it worked before
I had created only one unit since that commit so it's not a big deal
Fabulous
@FarseerVeraenthis aeldari wip
@Kohato Thought about something. Give me aholler once you're done with the SM dex- I'll copy it, remove the non-DA stuff and have a good chunk of the shared stuff identical in both cats. Normalisation ftw!
i think he said he hasnt started on SM yet. doing death-machines first
on a side note, overheating plasma is absolutely brutal now
@Kohato @Thairne I'm currently doing Blood Angels which has a lot of SM shared stuff... once I'm done you can copy them from my file and remove all those little BA additions
I can work with BA too, the same-ier it is the better
that way we can even cross-maintain since everything will have the basic structure
Exactly
I haven't even started SM yet - getting Necrons done first.
But that is... you know my shtick.
YOU'RE THE HERESY!
I AM HERESY INCARNATE!
The Necrontyr have been around longer than you've been alive you little "Human" Now get off our lawn.
wait. That sounds wrong.
DA = Traitors what?
That what I just heard?
You heard it here folks! Heresy was afoot on Caliban!
Why dude? You want me to fly into another nerdragerant? Are you SURE you want that?
Another?
Did I miss one?
remember the nurgle discussion? stagnation?
Lol ALL THE NERDRAGERANTS!
Caliban was an inside job. Orbital lances can't melt adamantine crusts.
Oh I totally won that.
grabs popcorn
Caliban? What are you talking about? Nothing happened on Caliban, I'm sure.
oh no you didnt!
I cited several venerable sources!
I cited several venerable sources!
lol @gen, I need to remember that one
Buy entropy
Again with summoning the real user @gen
But*
Should stop that :p
he ain't complaining tho
Oh btw I do have pdfs of everything made now
nice
Then gief!
Muchas Gracias Senor Alphalas
Fab :+1:
Ok, I opened a ticket issue for the inconsistencies in the T'au entries :)
I got the multi-force solution added to GST, but it wasn't synced before going to bed last night... I see there are other changes now, I'll add them and upload later tonight after I get off work
I didn't make any modifications after last night, so you're free to go!
Will the multi-force require any modification in the cats?
No, but @GenWilhelm did, several today
No modification to CATs at all, just the GST.
yeah, ive been working on detachments and shared rules in the gst
That's great news!
Why detachments? They've been in there for a while, sans the MF ones which I just added yesterday
did I miss something?
one of the categories was wrong on one of them
and i've been reordering them to be in a consistent order
Send me a PM and I'll get it corrected after work, gtg now though
I would rather redo a few fixes than redo the detachments lol
sure, i'll give it another parse after you've done your multi-force stuff
@Bitjump invitation:
Uhh copy paste failure. I think you have tjhe link in email
Got it. Cheers.
@Bitjump BS value in "AX39 Sun Shark Bomber - Wound Track 3" table should be 5+ instead of 4+
#3730 seriously?
@Kohato need your CS skills again lol
Brutal. Savage. Rekt.
Nippy Kind Langur
Should I implement Psychic powers?
And if yes, what is the best way?
Necron C'Tan powers are similar to psyker powers.
This is how I did them
"Min/Max set to 3 if parent is T-vault because it knows all of them"
I used the Wargear profile, but we have psyker power profiles you can use.
I did basically the same thing for Ork powers.
I was so happy when they made this a gif.
gotta love RedEye
so glad when they bring him on to host an event :D
He's no bruno
but he'll do
Redeye is my favorite of the analysts in recent years.
How are we doing wound tracking? The profile setup in the GST seems a bit out of place.
That's how I have it set up
Then a * in the slot in the main profile
Though the GST entry should be renamed "Wounds Remaining"
nvm
i made that change earlier
already has been
nice
Update your GST.
That was my thinking. Updated GST, I'll resynch.
i would include the model name in the profile name otherwise stuff is going to overlap and be confusing
Yep. Identically named profiles will overlap.
Rules as well.
yeah, identically name rules is annoying when the wording refers to a specific model/unit
Powers of the C'Tan (Vault)
Is how I did that.
and Powers of the C'Tan (Instructions)
And necron progress made :)
Should be finished soon.
Nice!
GSC are complete except for psychic powers. Tyranids have points costs and profiles but no structure.
Will hopefully make some more progress on the SW tonight :)
@/all Something i just want to express after playing a game of 8th last night.
Battlescribe is going to be more utilized, especially before GW’s app, than in 7th. Making a list for matched play with the book was atrocious. Flipping constantly back and forth, double checking wargear costs, ect… We just need to be on point and double check everything for launch on the 17th.
Also @cartag, I won ;P
Oh I bet. I also imagine a lot more people will use BS as their sole source of rules and points
Definitely. I agree having helped some people build lists.
A couple of game things that we realized too. You can no longer shoot out of a transport unless it explicitly states it on its data sheet. IE Land Speeder Storm vs Rhino. (Yes, you can no longer shoot out of a rhino)
going first in combat almost is certain victory
per combat
many psykers that can focus cast smite is ridiculously good.
speaking of that, we should add "Open Topped" to the GST.
Or we can do our reasonable best and tell people to fuck off if they think they're owed things.
We'll make it nice, If there are issues, open a bugrep. If they think they're owed perfection, they can screw off.
or start PAYING us.
I'll pass on that. Robin Hood plagerism is fine in my moral compass :p Start paying me for this and we veer right into the no-no zone.
open-topped should already be in the gst
I don't WANT to get paid either. WOuldn't mind a Patreon or somesuch, but I can live nicely without
Oh God, this chat is active. No wonder I turned off the notifications for it...
lmao
Is this all 8th stuff?
lmao
... among other things.
8th, friendly banter, insults..
wh40k is easily the most active of the gitter rooms
We tend to offer BS advice to people who join
and a shitload of HERESY
HERESY
HERESY
told ya.
we're obviously lead into heresy by KoenigHeresy
Just remember "Friendship is Magic. Magic is Heresy. Ergo, Friendship is Heresy."
which is ironic the amount of heresy in this chat, compared to the amounts of heresy in the HH cat
Oh god you're alive Oft.
Mebee....
lol all we need is @senpai514 to pop in and @Kohato would die lol
Hey, when people leave for ... shit ... 8 months? I assume they've quit
It's been rather busy ... and I've been painting Tzaangor and Daemons ....
You can always quit ... but you can never leave. ;-)
oh god this is hotel California now?
No, because just when I thought I was out ... they pull me back in...
Maybe this is the Battlefather?
8th'll do that :p
Not entirely sure how I feel about 8th.
damnit now I need to listen to eagles
Well, we'll try to make it easy to attempt 8th :p
And I have an insane number of AoS/WH:Q models yet to paint
so, playing around with the 8e repo, I'm unable to save cats because of validation errors (missing categories for force entries, and some childless conditions), yet I see other people updating files in the repo - is there something I possibly did wrong?
Cartag's got chaos handled pretty well and i'm 1/3 done with the new necrons cat :) then onto SM.
Are you opening Old Cat files using the new GST?
Well then. My work here is ... done?
could always use the help, I think there's a couple cats that still need to get conversion work started.
GST? (sorry for being a bit fresh around here)
Game System Template.
warhammer40k.gst
It's the core file all .cat files pull from.
It's the basis for the system.
It's where we store the categories.
you could take over AM - I'm beyond frustrated at it right now lol
Orks is 3/4 done. This is taking longer than I expected. Lots of really wordy non-universal special rules. I feel bad for whoever ends up doing Craftworld.
Think of it like a word template for word docs.
are you on the alpha client, @Szeras?
I've cloned the repo, and switched to 40k8eprep branch. Opening cat files in the master branch works fine, but not in the 8e repo, which has a different GST file
Are you on the alpha client?
@Szeras Not on the alpha version of BS. I had that problem too.
How are we handling items that change depending on wound values? Has someone got that documented? Or do we have a good example?
8th ed requires a new version of BS.
Data Editor 2.00.17
ah, so I basically need to get a newer version, gotcha
battlescribe/desktop-alphas#133
thanks, mate
That's how we're doing tables :)
That's handy. It would have made life much easier for AoS
Welcome to the new BS 2.01 :)
Jon added in a couple of rather useful features, like custom tagging.
for Keywords
Also handy.
I blame AoS for all this progress
I do too, in a good way
oh, the release version for 2.01 is out
oh trust me, @flakpanda and @cartag were super-happy with the changes for AoS
God Emperor, what a bunch of nerds
Nippy Kind Langur.
lmao
when we out-nerd the maker
so I don't need alpha anymore?
I prefer geek @Jonskichov :p
@Jonskichov waves Blessed be the 4-Armed Emperor to you too! (Down with the heretical two armed version!)
Two arms?
The dude is dust on a chair.
There are no arms.
(If 2 arms are good, 4 arms is better)
All hail the silent king.
11011110111
So six should be best @OftKilted
Down to business though, since we are awash with leaks, and you have 2.01 to play with... Is the new category system as it stands doing what you need it to?
For now, it seems to be exactly what we need. + the ability to view them in list view
Build 84 just went up and I'm thinking it's going to be final
There's really not much equipping or modifying based on keywords yet.
We'll see how well it works once the first codex comes out.
someone was having an issue earlier with instance of category
Ohh... are the baseline "CAD's" being rolled into the GST and then validated according to keyword?
I wonder if Instance Of is only checking the primary
yeah, changing it to HQ worked, but then that doesnt work on other characters
Yea, so it'll be working only based on primary then :/
Try "If parent has 1 Character" ?
Does something like this work
?
no, the parent is the character, so it doesnt have an selections that are characters
I was wondering if non primary categories were considered "Selections"
doesnt work, im afraid
:(
Excellent. I'll keep an eye for anything major over the next couple of days, but one the iOS version is approved I'll aim to release on all platforms
Like the above?
:p
would you prefer this as an issue on the alpha repo, @Jonskichov?
Isn't Transport profile updated?
For reference, here's build 84: https://github.com/BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas/issues/133#issuecomment-305521652
Transports no longer have fire/access points
alright, question - are we including multiple keyword units in multiple cats, or only in root cats?
ex: Priest/Jacobus, Prime psyker, etc
Anyone working on Dark Eldar?
spiky elves are still free i believe
I have started them, so will continue then.
Aeldari is one cat iirc
Makes sense.
Doesn't need to be now
True
Cartag got Multi Faction working he said
votes for multi-inclusion?
so do we have like a plan listed somewhere ?
What do you mean?
primaries psyker.
Standards?
No, I meant Jon.
it's root is AAT, but it's AM keyboarded too
No we don't have anything written down
You can assign Keywords in the Root Link Jon.
understood - just wasn't sure if were were still doing C:IA duplication EVERYHERE or not.
So in the AM root link, just assign the AM Faction keyword too :)
ah
not sure, really
So are we doing individual
Sure? Idk really
We are for imperium for sure
These new cat files are small enough we could fairly easily do an Aeldari one though
@Kohato I'm assuming that you're handling the <Dynasty> necron keyword not as individual names? Merely the generic version?
Si sr.
Faction: <Dynasty>
and Faction: Sautek for example for imhotek
Because I can do all or individual by army list if that works
Mmmm. I wonder if there needs to be some place to identify that
Identify the Dynasty?
no
Because of user made dynasties.
we can't add in a text box for user input
More of a "User field description"
Yea, that'd be nice to have. If Jon puts something like that in, i'd be all for it
As of now, I'd suggest to players to define Dynasty in the notes section of the list.
Because space marines have that same kind of issue. And we could .. in theory have an army with multiple dynasties supported, or space marine chapters
Yep.
And since the game supports user made factions/septs/dynasties/chapters/etc
Unless a user field entry is there, there' no point to go past <Dynasty> except where indicated on named characters.
did they already omit sly again in the index?
Marbo?
yeah
Good god Imhotekh got better.
no longer a LoW
And his storm lord ability
Once per battle in your Shooting phase, Imotekh can call the storm: when he does so pick an enemy unit within 48" of Imotekh, other than a <Character>, and roll a D6. On a 1 nothing happens, but on a 2+ that unit suffers that many mortal wounds. Then roll a D6 for each enemy unit within 6" of that unit. On a roll of 6, that unit suffers D3 mortal wounds.
uh
Do I read these leaks right.. or are squad leaders suddenly.. free?
Do I read these leaks right.. or are squad leaders suddenly.. free?
Would make sense.
thats a HUGE point decrease for most thnigs
Yeah, squad leaders are free. I didn't appreciate that until I started making the data file. It's a big points cost for lots of units.
Points cut.
They are in sigmar too
^
Harlequins done
omg
thairn
Shared Entry Group defaults work
Is taht new?
or was that fixed before the alpha
Please, accept pull request
? there isn't one
yeah they were buggy
jon obv fixed them :P
didnt even notice..
Upd*
Sq leaders are free... but in points costs you still have to pay to equip them.
well the upgrade to leader is free now :p
Gotta remove the python files.
Ok
Like they say "the first hit is free" then they nickel and dime you to death with the add-ons. (Free:Veteran Sargeant ... I'd like the powerfist and plasma pistol upgrades... that'll be two arms and your left leg)
but.. but... skitarii rangers-- 5 guys.. 40 pts..
I suppose it depends if you're looking at "power level" where everything is free, or matched points where nothing is ...
Done
And done
Thx
Is anybody working on Dark Eldar?
well 10 Tac marines no upgrades are 130 points
I think someone is yea
yeah, i think @Toreador13 is
Im confused
Craftworlds?
@Toreador13
Not sure about craftworlds.
haven't seen it claimed yet
ok, tell me when to merge
(merge catalogs)
hey guys just put in a join request, anyway i can help?
no longer confused. models are NOT free. Why the hell did I..
If nobody claims craftworlds in next ~16h, i'll do them
We should create a profile type for "Explodes". So many vehicles have it with very minor variations to the distance, and the number of wounds caused.
@tag8833, good idea
Another thought is a profile type for "Psycker" for much the same reason.
Do not think so -- all psychers have different options
Open-topped have exact same wording, too
I know, thus profile type.
Spells they can cast:
Spells they can Deny:
Spells they know:
More Info:
Spells they can cast:
Spells they can Deny:
Spells they know:
More Info:
cast and deny seems like 2 differant number most of the time now too
are we officially having separate CATs for Aeldari?? I notice @USSX-Hares called his file Harlequins
I thought someone was doing a combined space elf catalogue?
@cartag got multi working
Is it claimed on the maintainers list
so separate now
yup, which is true
aha, separate is good :-)
although, not for Ynnari
i think it would make sense to keep them in the same one with options to filter down or change to ynnari rules
for me, the main decider is performance
which depends on CAT size
with the death of formation we should see a decent increase in performance compared to 7th
there is that, but then there are a lot more rules per entry...
Speaking of those - I'm keeping all but special rules listed at the front of the book listed as "Wargear" profiles.
To mirror dataslates as much as possible.
eg.
that looks nice if you have inline profiles
I've honestly never used anything but that
has anyone done anything space marine related yet?
nope
Feel free to take that off my hands if you want.
lol
they've done some work with the shared things
well im starting on DW and wanted too look at an example :p
BA will end up looking very close.
BA is done i think
i think that's partially done or fully done
Oh yeah, speaking of which, what naming convention do we want to use...? some CAT's have underscores between words, the T'au one includes the reference to the index.....
afaik we have always just used the Army's Name, no underscores
people need to sharpen up the 8th Ed Repo then...
i think we should rename all the files to be their UID
/s
lol
it would be funny
i guess im just going to start on SM since i need like half the entries for DW...
so looks like MT currently is not separate.
one less cat for me to do.
@alphalas Yep. I'm mildly pissed that my Tempestus went away. I've been running that army at tourneys this year, and had just about figured it out.
still technically a thing in a AM army
just use the HQ/Elite FOC
well done @flakpanda take one for the team :-P
Yeah, but it won't be a separate faction for the ITC. I was going to try and win both the MT and inquisition factions this year.
ah ok I get you
I have a feeling ITC is going to change how things work in response anyway
uurrrghh... stop powergaming :-P hehehehehe
I'm going to win all the things!!
(I'm just being silly)
powergaming = best gaming :p
LoTD isn't a thing anymore either, is it?
legion of the damned?
as a separate army I mean.
yeah
no they are
idk I literally haven't looked at Imp1
RTFM, or in this case RTFI!!
book one is sm, ba, da, gk, dw, lotd, sw
:+1:
I'm busy doing imp2 thongs, asshole :P
things*
@GenWilhelm instance of should work for any category. If it isn't, it's a bug. An issue would be good, thank you!
I'm sure you meant thongs...
@Jonskichov, i've opened an issue on the desktop-alphas repo for you
my workspace atm:
that is a biiiig screeeeen
55"
rofl, that second monitor being 10x the size of the first one
i dont normally use it like this
By the by, anyone notice Khaine is now an HQ and no longer a LoW? Nice.
yeah, some things shifted from Low to HP
HQ*
And Troupemaster from Harlequins became an HQ as well, with a better statline than before.
avatar is an aspect warrior, interdasting...
Isn't that what he really is?
A combination of the Phoenix Lords, who are all the pinnical of an aspect warrior?
taking a stab at some 'nid profiles, but I can't get it to show in BS. Currently doing Tyrannofex (set to Monster and HeavySup (primary)) which I've mirrored after Heldrake in the Chaos dex (which works), any likely causes of this?
no, the Avatar is a shard of Khaine given life by the sacrifice of an exarch
Yeah, the Phoenixlords represent different aspects of Khaine, but they aren't literal shards of the Avatar.
@GenWilhelm I'm about to upload assassins - plz update the gst link for me :P
@Szeras, how do you mean it wont show in BS?
creating new roster, but not getting any choices (HQ/Troops/etc)
probably something silly like not reloading properly
what do you have in root selection entries?
Also, as stated in the rules book, Aura abilities also affect the model that has the aura (unless it specifically states otherwise). So the Avatar himself doesn't roll Morale checks and is allowed to reroll charge rolls.
ah, that's probably it, overlooked that section. Thanks
i've already got some progress done on tyranids btw, if you want to take over i'm more than happy to let you
well, it's early, so I'm going to have a stab at Eldar / Asuryani (Craftworld Eldar) and see how much of a mess progress I can make
go go simon, you're our man. if you can't do it, no one can*
@GenWilhelm it's up - plz do your thang
lol @GenWilhelm Just beat me to it!
I feel better already...
@/all is anyone in BA, LOTD, or tau? I changed the file names local and was gunna commit quick
I think crowbar has been working
I just want some factions to check, and your stuff is always the best :wink:
On BA in a separate branch
Might not have merged back yet.... Currently on my phone
@GenWilhelm yeah, that fixed my problem. I wouldn't mind contributing to nids at least. Mind it's been a long while since I've done anything in BS, but I'm catching up fast
kk I'll push this now then - just make sure you delete the underscore in the file name before you commit
@/all is anyone doing anything to the gst atm
I think I saw him say he's already done the underscore removal in a prior commit in his branch...
it wasn't changed on github
as in primary 8eprep branch
@Szeras, i've pushed tyranids to the repo. its got profiles for all the wargear and points for wargear and units, as well as a basic structure for the units
thanks @GenWilhelm
:+1:
will be doing the same with SoS/Cust/AAT too
those should all go quick.
4 or less units lol
I'll check it out. Do I need access to commit?
@/all just commited new gst
added “And They shall Know No Fear” to sharaed rules
you'll need access to do a direct commit, but until then you can submit a pull request and have one of us merge it
damnit @flakpanda I just started assassins lol
Sorry I was away... Was there any issue with BA, LotD and Knights?
lol
i asked, no one said anything
just changes naming convention of file for BA and LoTD
gotcha. I'll have a look at it.
having that rule there is better than like 6 cats having it
Oh ok, shouldn't be a big deal then
I'll update my files as soon as possible to use the shared atsknf then
Do we really need the "power catagory" for the psychic power porfile?
On a completely unrelated note, does anyone have a digital copy of Shadow War Armageddon rules?
I might
I agreed to run a league for the local store, and we have 20 participants 13 of which decided to play either space marines or Orks, so every day I get asked to take photos of my book.
Blessings to you my friend.
it's not a great copy but it's there
trust me, ask @Kohato - if there's a pdf/epub to be found, I probably have it, or will have it shortly lol
Haha yep
I also deal in illicit items from the Far East but that's for private chat
Fixed the filename conflict :) I'll resume work on my branch as soon as possible!
Hah I think i might know that guy
oh shit no I didn't fix it
I may have broken everyone's files...
I'm fixing it soon!
sounds like fun... Now I'm at the start of my journey into the realm of Keywords...
if Eldar has "Ulthwe" as a key word, should I add that?? and he has a keyword "Eldard Ulthran" should I add that as well - seems a little silly...
That's bc his name is Eldrad, not Eldard which does sound a little daft, yes.
cheeky monkey!!
Hindquartery ape?
I think you should add all of them, fairly certain they will get some use down the line, as in when the codex hits the shops.
I added all of the keywords to my entries. Even if they aren't called out now, they might be important later.
^ that
Always wanted to do that
hehehe, best get my typing fingers working properly then...
Ok, I deleted my bad merge - everything should be ok now...
Primarus Ancients are 69 points… Giggity
damn assassins got buffed and nerved at the same time.
nerfed*
Vindicares are beast
indeed
they die like dogs now though
yeah
where do the Keywords show up on the output??
are they supposed to?????
why is ironclad dread a keyword in gst?
idk
still have their 4++ and they're characters so a bit harder to target. But still a total glass hammer
not yet @FarseerVeraenthis
true.
I missed that lightning reflexes was the 4++
righto, where are they supposed to be ticked? in the shared entry, or the root entry?? or both??
so not as bad as they could be.
The Vindi is 90 pts right?
I missed the invul first time i looked too
dios mio i'm glad i have 5 vindecares
:D i thought i had too many at 3
eversors I'd say yes.
vindis? naw
(the 2 metal ones & the new plastic)
can we put imperial in gst?
fuck… the imgur gallery of the leaks are gone… did someone save them?
I got them on pdf bra
yes
scroll up
i dl'd the zips
thats the link to swa
scroll up a bit more...
as a rule are we putting in the unit name keywords too? ex Vindicare has keyword vindicare
I am putting them
k
i am since like there are 4 captain units
I am, but then I've only started with Eldrad and I'm just setting up all the SEG's and so on
And I finally fixed all the shit I screwed up during the merge...
is there an agreement on how we're getting the abilities to display? As Wargear in the unit or rules that appear at the bottom of the output?
i currently have Ragnar Blackmane outputting like this
I put them in as shared rules, linking them in the entries
Except for the shields, which I've put as wargear items
I'm honestly not sure tbh
np, i'll carry on as is for now
that's how vindicare outputs right now.
and yes, WIP
interesting… jump packs add +1PL but dont cost points
same for blackmanes wolfs
+1PL but no points
Can someone help me understand why this isn't working:
what are you trying to do?
just increase the PL?
Increase the PL by 6 if there are more than 4 Flash Gitz
select Flash Gitz instead of parent
and try again
flash gits as in root squad entry
They're Orks, It just works.
Works. Thanks.
Why wasn't it working? flash Gitz was the parent
idk, parent doesnt always work for top level
interesting… jump packs add +1PL but dont cost points
For the units I've seen, there is a different point cost (for instance, Captain vs Captain with Jump Pack)
thats the same data sheet. you just have the option to take the jump pack. but bike and terminator armor are different sheets
Yeah, same datasheet but different points cost in the table at the end of the book
It's pretty weird to be honest
oh ok, i was looking in the wrong place
i was looking for wargear
I was kinda confused too the first time I read
But entering data for Blood Angels... Now I know everything about jump packs lol
oh damn eversor lost fast shot
@penguin20000 I think profiles vs rules is better tbh.
that way the rules don't go away when you select nine only
good point
@Kohato @GenWilhelm opinions?
inline*
i think i agree actually
hmm, whats up?
there's no description for meltabomb in GST
abilities - profile vs rule
Melta bombs are there as weapon entries
the profile link has no description though.
as in the preroll failed wounds against vehicles blurb
i prefer rules as i use the profile summary, rather than inline, most of the time
preroll*
damit autocorrect stop changing it
lol
reroll*
How are you guys handling it when the datasheet and the points list don't agree on unit size
I probably missed it when I added that bunch of stuff yesterday... Feel free to add it, I'm not working of the files atm
dont know, havent had that happen yet
I've got at least 2. possibly more
is there any option to take more than one Runtherd?
I mean you can take multiple units of them.
just not units of multiples
never seen anything like that
I had some other unit with a similar problem. I built it for points, because Matched play was most important, but now that I'm going back and adding power level, I'm not quite sure what to do.
Adding multiples of it for each additional model
Well, I'd consider the power level on the datasheet as the one for a single model
OK. Seems fair. My other one, the Datasheet allowed more models than the points list i think.
in that case, I'd follow the datasheet... I would try to stick with the less restrictive one
but let's hear what the others think too
Other way around. Datasheet says up to 5 koptas. Points say 1-3
Whatup alpha?
going to work. if the gst changes again, @ me plz
Profile vs rule for abilities
Profile always shows in inline, rule only shows for summary
Also how are there no cheap drop pods on eBay? They got nerfed pretty good
Well, if rules show only in summary it may be better to put them in the wargear... It would be more verbose but easier to reference during games
I started out going rules, and then realized wargear was a better way to go. So I'll go back and correct my early ones.
The exceptions are rules that are common. For instance your army wide special rules, or rules like "Explodes"
Can someone rename the profile wargear items to abilities?
I'm doing profiles in necrons and sm
yeah, that is a good idea.
They look better and closer to dataslates
And yes flak. I agree
I only use shared rules for global rules like reanimation protocols or living metal.
Because I already started to use that for that purpos
Profiles it is :+1:
For sm
@Kohato I'm doing SM now so...
right, I uploaded a very baby Craftworlds CAT, tbh, I have no idea if it is heading in the right direction or not... but I'm off to bed... If anyone develops a burning desire to do Craftworlds then be my guest :-)
ok Logan Grimnar's movement stat is blurred to all hell i can't tell if it's a 3 or a 5 . I'm going to assume it's a 5
Gotta be a 5, the only thing as slow as 3 is artillery.
yeah
Go for it flak
Be da man!
And use profiles ;)
Alright guys. Think I've got Orks all done. Feel free to take a look, and @ me if anything needs fixed.
Am I correct in assuming it's going to be better for me to just redo all the detachments in the GST?
What is wrong with the gst detachments?
I got multiforce set up and was going to sync when I got home from work
but now....
if you want to avoid conflicts, you can revert the stuff i did on detachments earlier
and i'll redo it tomorrow
then Flak, Crowbar, and bitjump will all have to redo stuff too
if they did updates since then
I'm just redoing it. My fault for not syncing when I got it done last night
@all - Multi-force detachments are working and synced now. You'll see two of most detachments, one regular and one with an MF behind it. The MF are Multi-Force. After you add the first one, you can then add a sub force to it of another faction. Validation will be between the two forces, allowing you to take HQ from one and Troops from another, for instance.
I still had it up and in an editor, I just copypastad them over
@cartag all I did was add one rule
Where is the 8th edition?
uh, we're still working on it?
Ok can i help in dimensioni way,?
If you want to check the page of our maintainers: https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/wiki/Catalogue-Keepers
what army wre you wanting to help with?