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Jun 2017
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 00:01
Glad you'll be playing cartag :) I'm really happy with what they've done myself.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:02
have you seen the kind of stuff Kharn and the Zerkers get now? I HAVE to play!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:03
lol
well seems like world eaters are attacking twice in combat so
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:03
and on turns they charge into combat, twice before the opponent can attack back
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Jun 01 2017 00:03
How do you guys interpret keywords for mixed units? For example, Rhinos cannot transport TERMINATOR keyword units. Grey Hunters are not TERMINATOR keyword datasheets. However, they can include a terminator armored model which doesn't seem to change the keywords of the unit.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:04
it should add the keyword for adding a terminator
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 01 2017 00:05
I think I'd laugh if an opponent tried to argue that because there's no rule about keywords like that stopping the unit embarking.
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Jun 01 2017 00:06
Same for Ragnar and his fenrisian wolves. They form an INFANTRY unit, and there is no mechanic written to add BEAST to the keywords.
So wolves in a Rhino
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:06
fuck… hes right. nowhere does it say that the pack leader in terminator armor add the keyword while in terminator armor
so RAW as we know it, yes they can
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Jun 01 2017 00:07
And then, Lukas affects the Wolf Guard Pack Leader in a unit of Blood Claws because it affects BLOOD CLAW keyword units
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:07
unless day 1 errata
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Jun 01 2017 00:07
It is really a strange mechanic
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:07
yeah, there are some strange AoS keyword interactions
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Jun 01 2017 00:09
RAW, 1 GH Pack Leader, 8 Grey Hunters with two specials, and a WGPL in terminator armor inside one rhino because the model is not keyworded to take up 2 slots.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 01 2017 00:09
Frown.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:09
well, rhinos arnt suppose to carry terminators
so its just plain terminators in rhinos
because of no keywording
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 01 2017 00:11
Yeuch. They'll probably have to errata saying it makes them ineligible to enter Rhinos or something.
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Jun 01 2017 00:12
It seems they outsmarted themselves with some of the SW stuff. Like how the left handed storm shield replaces the right handed bolter now.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:15
i mean, i assume every one is ambidextrous is 40k
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Jun 01 2017 00:17
Oh, for certain, its more of that the kit physically does not support the weapon combinations they have created, while it does support weapon combinations that they made illegal.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:20
yeah
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 00:22
I just merged all my work for today - All Space Marines wargear is available as shared entries from the GST, while Questor Imperialis and Legion of the Damned should be complete. BA is just started
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:22
:+1:
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 00:22
Anyway, time to get some sleep :) see you tomorrow for more hard work :)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:22
I'm working on Chaos now after a long day of leading a group at work
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:23
i think we still need to think about doing one imperium cat before we get to far
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 00:23

i think we still need to think about doing one imperium cat before we get to far

Me too...

Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 01 2017 00:23
Is there any other real solution?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:24
not currently that i can tell
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:24
gimme a sec, I want to try something
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:24
for??? @cartag
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:24
Another solution :) I had an idea
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:25
oh
do tell
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:37
It passes validation for Patrol detachment
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I need to play around with the specifics, but we can tell it to limit the categories based on the second detachment type selected
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and it's all set in GST, nothing different that data authors need to do
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Gnofry
@Gnofry
Jun 01 2017 00:40
Would it work for multi - multi forces?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:40
We can add an entry telling how to set up a multi-force detachment, they just pick the first force and "multi-force" instead of a different type, then add the second one and choose what type of detachment you really want, it will set limits appropriately
You could add multiple secondary forces
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Jun 01 2017 00:41
I meant more two primary and two secondary
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:41
each primary and secondary set would be one detachment type, like one Patrol. You could do two, one Patrol and one Battalion for instance
What do you guys think of this solution?
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Gnofry
@Gnofry
Jun 01 2017 00:44
Ah, I see. I think that's rather elegant.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:46
I'm just not sure how to handle it if somebody picks one battalion and one patrol, for instance
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:47
can you sync real quick so i can look at it? name it test if you want
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:48
it'll fuck up @Crowbar90 's last sync
This should work, the more I look at it. I'll set the modifiers dependent on what detachment type is selected, keep everything 0 if mixed
I wish we could do modifier groups though based on a single condition, would make this so much more compact
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:53
omg this is what we need. why didnt we think of this before :p
i just did it on my gst real quick
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:53
Because we didn't have categories before
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:53
true
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 00:54
I think @Crowbar90 will understand a change for the better breaking his work
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:55
This should provide a good frame work, the HQ entries
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flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:56
all you should have to do @cartag is add the deatchments into multi-force. shouldnt have to change them at all
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 00:56
We will, we need to set them to Multi-force, not parent
and we need a check to determine the types are the same in the multi-force
but we could take the checks off the nested ones
so just set the min/max on units at root level, have the sub detachments just have category link with no constraints.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 00:59
yeah, just added two patrols to the same multi. didnt satisy both :/
so you will have to play with the constraints
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:00
Depending on how you have your constraints set up
did you set the ones at root level to count for child selections and all child forces?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:00
just copy/pasted them into it
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:00
from what?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:00
the gst into the multi
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:00
did you change the max in ___ to multi-force detachment instead of force?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:01
one sec, changing them to in multi-force
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:01
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you can get rid of nested completely
nested constraints that is
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:04
Screen Shot 2017-05-31 at 8.04.37 PM.png
this is with HQ constraints set to Multi-Force
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:05
screenshot editor for me
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:05
Screen Shot 2017-05-31 at 8.05.25 PM.png
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:06
copy the constraint out of the nested detachment and paste in root of Multi-force
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:07
so cut HQ out of Patrol and into top level Multi-Force?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:07
No
Copy HQ out of Patrol and into top level multi-force, then leave HQ in Patrol but remove constraints
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:08
oh
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:08
And I just came up with an elegant solution for figuring constraints. Have Brigade Detachment and Brigade Detachment MF
In MF, add sub-force, only Brigade Detachment available
this is SO doable
and from my testing here, it works like a dream
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:09
still didnt invalidate my roster….
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:10
Click on the min selections constraint and screenshot in data editor
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:10
Screen Shot 2017-05-31 at 8.10.17 PM.png
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:10
hmmm
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:12
what about adding constraints directly to the catagory and moding them based on detachments chosen?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:12
are you making a new roster each time, or reloading the same one?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:12
i make new
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:12
What if they choose a patrol and brigade detachment in the same MF force?
How would you validate?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:14
what about adding constraints directly to the catagory and moding them based on detachments chosen?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:14
It'll be too much slowdown
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:14
ok
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:14
and the "what if they chose a patrol....." was in response to that
how would you mod the constraints if they chose two different sub detachments?
And here's the latest that is working:
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flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:16
Right, but what if you just select multi-force and put all your detachments in there? instead of having to select a battalion and mf battalion?
trying to make it easier for end user
because we need it to be as easy as we can make it
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:17
That's about the easiest we can make it
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Unless you can come up with a better way to do validation, because we simply cannot do it force wide with different types of detachments.
If you want to just throw everything into a bucket and just say "fuck it, who cares" we could increment a full total, the sum of all parts
that would work
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:19
thats what i suggested, but how slow would it be is the question
ill play with it later. if you come up with something easier, cool. I actually have to head out
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 01:20
Not near as slow as trying to validate all MF options and modify to check on a single detachment
time for me to eat too
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 01:20
l8r
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 02:04
We're gonna have to do them individually, a mass one will not increment min/max properly
Haven't we had a long standing issue with the multi-level stuff though with constraints? I thought we had... anyway, setting constraints at root level for a MF detachment works
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 02:07
So this is why my buddy wanted to hang out :D https://imgur.com/xUUhK5E
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 02:07
nice!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 02:08
Yeah, we are about to play 2k
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 02:08
factions?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 02:08
Chaos vs sm
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 02:09
May Chaos reign supreme
as long as they're not EC or Slaaneshi fanboys
in which case, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 02:10
He plays nurgle
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 02:10
I hope you get your ass kicked in XD

Chaos4Life

flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 02:11
I mean I play Tzeentch/1k Sons too. Just didn't want to do chaos v chaos
Horus-3-Echo
@Horus-3-Echo
Jun 01 2017 06:11
Greetings, which data files I need to add to get rid of the error: Data file is too old and is no longer supported?
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 06:20
Wow @cartag I just woke up and saw your solution, sounds great! Don't worry about the data I've entered, I can add them again :)
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 06:55
Oh, I have an idea... Once you've finished your magic with the detachment, put the GST in a pull request to the branch crowbar90-8ed
This way I can merge the two files without losing anything :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 07:39
righto boys, that was a heck of a catch up...
did I see someone is already working on Aeldari??
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 07:40
Idk. Just got home after that game of 8 to tho
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 07:41
because I think I might just maintain Aeldari and Deathwatch and not create them from scratch... I can hardly keep up with the chat, let alone find time to enter all the data into a new CAT
how did it go?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 07:41
So awesome.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 07:41
:+1:
also, Deathwatch Kill Team = Awesome in 8th
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 07:41
Played 2k in about 2.5 hours
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 07:41
I mean, I think they're cool in 7th, but in 8th they look fab
and that is extremely good going
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 07:42
And that was my first game and his second
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 07:42
mega
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 07:42
DW KTs look awesome
I'll have to test them out. I see GK, 1k Sons, and slaanesh being good tho. Going first in combat is very key.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 07:43
yah, I think they will all have a biker and a VV as standard
*DW KT's
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 07:43
So positioning is important
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 07:45
who won last night? Chaos or SM? and what were the rough forces??
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 07:46
UM
Hey ran GUO, typhus, Abbadon, 2x20 Plaguebearers, 3x5 plague Marines, 1 nugle herald, 8 nurglings
I ran Guilliman, Libby w/jump, chaplain w/jump, 10 VVets, 2x10 Tac w/rhinos, 10sniper scouts, contemptor, 3centurions grav/missiles
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 07:53
righto, how many turns did you play? since stuff seems to die fast these days
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 07:53
The +1 to S/T/A power for SAM is awesome. I charged again with the vvets and had 27 S6 and 4 S7 attacks
Abbadon*
We played 5
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 07:54
wow so, sounds good, everything didn't get murdered instanstly
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 07:54
And while things did die, turns just sent way faster. Like 5th ed fast.
He didn't have much shooting so I avoided quite a bit of death.
Oh, he played be'lakor to ok
Too*
Grav still had a place. My centurions did work
Has*
But they are like 360 points for that load out now
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 08:02
Ace :-)
also, further to your chat with Cartag last night, I take it we're going to continue with separate CAT's for Imperium
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 08:03
Sounds like it sooner we have a way to do multi force cats
Since*
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 08:06
fabulous, although, Eldar still going to be all-in-one yes?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 08:07
Afaik, yes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 08:07
:+1:
mega
fejjn
@fejjn
Jun 01 2017 08:10
whats the link to the repo to use?
in battlescribe that is
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 08:12
for 8th??
fejjn
@fejjn
Jun 01 2017 08:13
yeah
i mean to paste into battlescribe data manager
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 08:13
you'll need to link into the wh40k8eprep branch on Github, ut it is not ready for release yet
fejjn
@fejjn
Jun 01 2017 08:13
okey
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 08:13
we're still building the cataloges
so if you desperately want to use the 8th Ed data that is up at the moment you need to go to the branch on github and manually download it into the data location you're using for Battlescribe
otherwise, it should go live on the 17th of June, and you should just be able to click "update data" in battlescribe and it will update itself (theoretically)
in other news @GenWilhelm Dire Avengers look good, Exarch has 2 wounds, otherwise everything else is as before... although, they have a 7" move (so they're pretty fast) and they have Sunburst Grenades which are 6" // Grenade D6 // 4 // -1 // 1
that is a good question actually, if a model can fire all its weapons, can it throw grenades as well as shooting??
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 08:22
One model per unit can forgo using other shooting weapons and throw a grenade, in the base rules
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 08:23
I haven't got that far through the rulebook yet, but that sounds fair
am I right in thinking that power levels are directly comparable - so the Rangers are 5 Power, while a squad of Dire Avengers is only 3, and Banshees are 4... Rangers are one of the more powerful "basic" units in the Eldar codex...
Windrider Scatter Laser spam will still be a thing
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 08:36
And the reason all the Eldar units have the Aeldari keyword is so that they can be part of a Ynnari army, which still has Soulburst, although all the individual units lose their other abilities... How can we handle this in BS? can we manage it with a modifier??
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 08:44
@USSX-Hares how far through are you on Aeldari?
and @Lloydski246 the only way to "test" anything at the moment is to download the wh40k8eprep branch from the github repo
Alvirulan
@Alvirulan
Jun 01 2017 09:44
Hi everyone, I was reviewing the T'au empire index file from github repo and I noticed a few things: Riptide base model points cost is not accurate (204pts in .cat instead of 209pts), Pathfinder and Pathfinder Shas'ui are missing their stats lines, Kroot are equiped with the wrong weapon (Kroot gun instead of Kroot rifle). How could I participate ?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 10:05
Currently catalogues are being authored by single people, and i believe @bitjump is doing Tau. If you want to open an issue on the repo and tag it as 8th edition I'm sure he'll fix any bugs you find.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 10:17
How can I check if a parent belongs to a specific category? Instance of?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 10:20
yep, should be Instance Of
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 10:22
Hmm ok
Looks like it's not working though... Or maybe I'm not using correctly
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 10:25
can you give a screenshot?
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 10:26
Yeah just a sec
Schermata da 2017-06-01 12-26-52.png
Schermata da 2017-06-01 12-27-09.png
Schermata da 2017-06-01 12-27-23.png
As you can see, Storm shield should increase its cost to 15 when taken by a Character
I put the Character category in Captain but it still shows as 5 points
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 10:33
hmm yea, seems like a bug. i can only get it to work for the primary category
i would leave it as is and post a bug report on the BS alpha repo, see what Jon says
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 10:36
Ok, will do that later
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 10:48
Just a head's up to the person taking care of the Aeldari cats, and I don't know if it's going to be relevant or not for the way the cats are being build, but it concerns the keywords Aeldari, Drukhari, Ynnari, Asuryani and Craftworld.
Aeldari is the term used for all Eldar, irrespective of their origin. Drukhari, Ynnari and Harlequins are their respective factions.
But the Craftworld Eldar have become Asuryani, and it is that term that denotes the faction, not <Craftworld>.
<Craftworld> is just there to allow people to come up with their own Craftworld, but mainly it's there to keep people form taking Eldrad from Ulthwé together with Prince Yriel from Iyanden and so forth.
It's probably obvious, just thought I'd put it out there since I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere yet.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 10:53
Hmm this is weird... Now battlescribe crashes while trying to create a new BA detachment
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 10:57
most likely cause of that is a loop somewhere
alright, ive just nuked the shared rules in the GST. apologies to anyone whose cat i just broke
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 11:00
@Owlsbane good catch, also, it will be interesting to find out what the "Warhost" key word will do...
I think @USSX-Hares has built and Aeldari CAT but I don't know if he's managed to upload it yet.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 11:04
@GenWilhelm any idea about how to find that loop?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 11:05
go and check any entry links you made recently :P
make sure nothing's linked to itself or something that links back to it
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 11:06
Hmm ok...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 11:07
@Owlsbane <craftworld> is probably going to be a more granular keyword for army bonuses, like <chapter> or cadia/catachan
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 11:10
yeah, I don't think there is anything stopping you bringing Eldrad and Yriel in the same army
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 11:16
you can bring them in an "Asuryani" detachment, but not in a specific craftworld detachment
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 11:22
Exactly, that's what I meant. Not the same detachment and in some cases buffing just units from their own Craftworld (look at Yriel for instance).
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 11:23
Yeah, that's what I meant, but didn't explain because I was distracted before finishing properly :+1:
:smile:
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 11:30
Fuck it, I couldn't find any loop so I stashed all the changes and went back to my previous commit... Luckily it wasn't too old
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 11:31
Did that fix the issue?!
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 11:32
Yeah, it worked before
I had created only one unit since that commit so it's not a big deal
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 11:37
Fabulous
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 11:57
@FarseerVeraenthis aeldari wip
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:02
@Kohato Thought about something. Give me aholler once you're done with the SM dex- I'll copy it, remove the non-DA stuff and have a good chunk of the shared stuff identical in both cats. Normalisation ftw!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 12:04
i think he said he hasnt started on SM yet. doing death-machines first
on a side note, overheating plasma is absolutely brutal now
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 12:13
@Kohato @Thairne I'm currently doing Blood Angels which has a lot of SM shared stuff... once I'm done you can copy them from my file and remove all those little BA additions
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:15
I can work with BA too, the same-ier it is the better
that way we can even cross-maintain since everything will have the basic structure
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 12:15
Exactly
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 12:16
I haven't even started SM yet - getting Necrons done first.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:17
But that is... you know my shtick.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 12:17
YOU'RE THE HERESY!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:17
I AM HERESY INCARNATE!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 12:17
The Necrontyr have been around longer than you've been alive you little "Human" Now get off our lawn.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:17
wait. That sounds wrong.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 12:18
DA = Traitors what?
That what I just heard?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 12:18
You heard it here folks! Heresy was afoot on Caliban!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:19
Why dude? You want me to fly into another nerdragerant? Are you SURE you want that?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 12:19
Another?
Did I miss one?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:19
remember the nurgle discussion? stagnation?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 12:19
Lol ALL THE NERDRAGERANTS!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 12:19
Caliban was an inside job. Orbital lances can't melt adamantine crusts.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 12:19
Oh I totally won that.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 12:20
grabs popcorn
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 12:20
Caliban? What are you talking about? Nothing happened on Caliban, I'm sure.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:20
oh no you didnt!
I cited several venerable sources!
lol @gen, I need to remember that one
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 12:20
Buy entropy
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 12:20
Again with summoning the real user @gen
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 12:20
But*
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 12:20
Should stop that :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:23
he ain't complaining tho
Oh btw I do have pdfs of everything made now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 12:33
nice
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:33
Then gief!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 12:47
Muchas Gracias Senor Alphalas
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 13:00
Fab :+1:
Alvirulan
@Alvirulan
Jun 01 2017 13:17
Ok, I opened a ticket issue for the inconsistencies in the T'au entries :)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 13:26
I got the multi-force solution added to GST, but it wasn't synced before going to bed last night... I see there are other changes now, I'll add them and upload later tonight after I get off work
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 13:27
I didn't make any modifications after last night, so you're free to go!
Will the multi-force require any modification in the cats?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 13:28
No, but @GenWilhelm did, several today
No modification to CATs at all, just the GST.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 13:28
yeah, ive been working on detachments and shared rules in the gst
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 13:28
That's great news!
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 13:29
Why detachments? They've been in there for a while, sans the MF ones which I just added yesterday
did I miss something?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 13:29
one of the categories was wrong on one of them
and i've been reordering them to be in a consistent order
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 13:30
Send me a PM and I'll get it corrected after work, gtg now though
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 13:40
I would rather redo a few fixes than redo the detachments lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 13:41
sure, i'll give it another parse after you've done your multi-force stuff
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 01 2017 13:56
@Bitjump invitation:
Uhh copy paste failure. I think you have tjhe link in email
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 01 2017 13:56
Got it. Cheers.
Alvirulan
@Alvirulan
Jun 01 2017 14:30
@Bitjump BS value in "AX39 Sun Shark Bomber - Wound Track 3" table should be 5+ instead of 4+
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 15:23
#3730 seriously?
@Kohato need your CS skills again lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 15:25
Brutal. Savage. Rekt.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 15:26
Nippy Kind Langur
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 15:26
Should I implement Psychic powers?
And if yes, what is the best way?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 15:27
image.png
Necron C'Tan powers are similar to psyker powers.
This is how I did them
"Min/Max set to 3 if parent is T-vault because it knows all of them"
I used the Wargear profile, but we have psyker power profiles you can use.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 15:30
I did basically the same thing for Ork powers.
I was so happy when they made this a gif.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 15:32
gotta love RedEye
so glad when they bring him on to host an event :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 15:32
He's no bruno
but he'll do
Redeye is my favorite of the analysts in recent years.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 15:39
How are we doing wound tracking? The profile setup in the GST seems a bit out of place.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 15:40
image.png
That's how I have it set up
Then a * in the slot in the main profile
Though the GST entry should be renamed "Wounds Remaining"
nvm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 15:41
i made that change earlier
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 15:41
already has been
nice
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 15:41
Wounds.png
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 15:41
Update your GST.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 15:41
That was my thinking. Updated GST, I'll resynch.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 15:42
i would include the model name in the profile name otherwise stuff is going to overlap and be confusing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 15:44
Yep. Identically named profiles will overlap.
Rules as well.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 15:45
yeah, identically name rules is annoying when the wording refers to a specific model/unit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 15:46
Powers of the C'Tan (Vault)
Is how I did that.
and Powers of the C'Tan (Instructions)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 16:21
And necron progress made :)
Should be finished soon.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 16:23
Nice!
GSC are complete except for psychic powers. Tyranids have points costs and profiles but no structure.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 16:24
Will hopefully make some more progress on the SW tonight :)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 16:54

@/all Something i just want to express after playing a game of 8th last night.

Battlescribe is going to be more utilized, especially before GW’s app, than in 7th. Making a list for matched play with the book was atrocious. Flipping constantly back and forth, double checking wargear costs, ect… We just need to be on point and double check everything for launch on the 17th.

Also @cartag, I won ;P

penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 16:56
Oh I bet. I also imagine a lot more people will use BS as their sole source of rules and points
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 16:56
Definitely. I agree having helped some people build lists.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 16:58
A couple of game things that we realized too. You can no longer shoot out of a transport unless it explicitly states it on its data sheet. IE Land Speeder Storm vs Rhino. (Yes, you can no longer shoot out of a rhino)
going first in combat almost is certain victory
per combat
many psykers that can focus cast smite is ridiculously good.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 16:59
speaking of that, we should add "Open Topped" to the GST.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:10
Or we can do our reasonable best and tell people to fuck off if they think they're owed things.
We'll make it nice, If there are issues, open a bugrep. If they think they're owed perfection, they can screw off.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 17:14
or start PAYING us.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:15
I'll pass on that. Robin Hood plagerism is fine in my moral compass :p Start paying me for this and we veer right into the no-no zone.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 17:20
open-topped should already be in the gst
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 17:20
I don't WANT to get paid either. WOuldn't mind a Patreon or somesuch, but I can live nicely without
Jon Taylor
@Jonskichov
Jun 01 2017 17:20
Oh God, this chat is active. No wonder I turned off the notifications for it...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:20
lmao
Jon Taylor
@Jonskichov
Jun 01 2017 17:20
Is this all 8th stuff?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 17:20
lmao
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:20
... among other things.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 17:21
8th, friendly banter, insults..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:21
wh40k is easily the most active of the gitter rooms
We tend to offer BS advice to people who join
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 17:21
and a shitload of HERESY
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 17:21
HERESY

HERESY

Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 17:22
told ya.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 17:23
we're obviously lead into heresy by KoenigHeresy
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:25
Just remember "Friendship is Magic. Magic is Heresy. Ergo, Friendship is Heresy."
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 17:25
which is ironic the amount of heresy in this chat, compared to the amounts of heresy in the HH cat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:25
Oh god you're alive Oft.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:25
Mebee....
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 17:26
lol all we need is @senpai514 to pop in and @Kohato would die lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:27
Hey, when people leave for ... shit ... 8 months? I assume they've quit
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:27
It's been rather busy ... and I've been painting Tzaangor and Daemons ....
You can always quit ... but you can never leave. ;-)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 17:27
oh god this is hotel California now?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:28
No, because just when I thought I was out ... they pull me back in...
Maybe this is the Battlefather?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:29
8th'll do that :p
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:29
Not entirely sure how I feel about 8th.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 17:29
damnit now I need to listen to eagles
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:30
Well, we'll try to make it easy to attempt 8th :p
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:30
And I have an insane number of AoS/WH:Q models yet to paint
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 17:30
so, playing around with the 8e repo, I'm unable to save cats because of validation errors (missing categories for force entries, and some childless conditions), yet I see other people updating files in the repo - is there something I possibly did wrong?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:31
Cartag's got chaos handled pretty well and i'm 1/3 done with the new necrons cat :) then onto SM.
Are you opening Old Cat files using the new GST?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:31
Well then. My work here is ... done?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:32
could always use the help, I think there's a couple cats that still need to get conversion work started.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 17:32
GST? (sorry for being a bit fresh around here)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:33
Game System Template.
warhammer40k.gst
It's the core file all .cat files pull from.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:33
It's the basis for the system.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:33
It's where we store the categories.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 17:33
you could take over AM - I'm beyond frustrated at it right now lol
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 17:33
Orks is 3/4 done. This is taking longer than I expected. Lots of really wordy non-universal special rules. I feel bad for whoever ends up doing Craftworld.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:33
Think of it like a word template for word docs.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 17:34
are you on the alpha client, @Szeras?
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 17:34
I've cloned the repo, and switched to 40k8eprep branch. Opening cat files in the master branch works fine, but not in the 8e repo, which has a different GST file
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:34
Are you on the alpha client?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 17:34
@Szeras Not on the alpha version of BS. I had that problem too.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:34
How are we handling items that change depending on wound values? Has someone got that documented? Or do we have a good example?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:34
8th ed requires a new version of BS.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 17:34
Data Editor 2.00.17
ah, so I basically need to get a newer version, gotcha
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 17:35
battlescribe/desktop-alphas#133
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:35
image.png
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 17:35
thanks, mate
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 17:35
image.png
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:36
image.png
That's how we're doing tables :)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:36
That's handy. It would have made life much easier for AoS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:36
Welcome to the new BS 2.01 :)
Jon added in a couple of rather useful features, like custom tagging.
for Keywords
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:37
Also handy.
I blame AoS for all this progress
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:37
I do too, in a good way
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 17:37
oh, the release version for 2.01 is out
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 17:37
oh trust me, @flakpanda and @cartag were super-happy with the changes for AoS
Jon Taylor
@Jonskichov
Jun 01 2017 17:38
God Emperor, what a bunch of nerds
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:38
Nippy Kind Langur.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 17:38
lmao
when we out-nerd the maker
so I don't need alpha anymore?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 17:40
I prefer geek @Jonskichov :p
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:40
@Jonskichov waves Blessed be the 4-Armed Emperor to you too! (Down with the heretical two armed version!)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:40
Two arms?
The dude is dust on a chair.
There are no arms.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:40
(If 2 arms are good, 4 arms is better)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:40
All hail the silent king.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:40
11011110111
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 17:41
So six should be best @OftKilted
Jon Taylor
@Jonskichov
Jun 01 2017 17:41
Down to business though, since we are awash with leaks, and you have 2.01 to play with... Is the new category system as it stands doing what you need it to?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:41
For now, it seems to be exactly what we need. + the ability to view them in list view
Jon Taylor
@Jonskichov
Jun 01 2017 17:41
Build 84 just went up and I'm thinking it's going to be final
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:41
There's really not much equipping or modifying based on keywords yet.
We'll see how well it works once the first codex comes out.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 17:41
someone was having an issue earlier with instance of category
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 17:43
Ohh... are the baseline "CAD's" being rolled into the GST and then validated according to keyword?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:43
I wonder if Instance Of is only checking the primary
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 17:43
yeah, changing it to HQ worked, but then that doesnt work on other characters
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:44
Yea, so it'll be working only based on primary then :/
Try "If parent has 1 Character" ?
Does something like this work
?
image.png
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 17:47
no, the parent is the character, so it doesnt have an selections that are characters
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:49
I was wondering if non primary categories were considered "Selections"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 17:49
doesnt work, im afraid
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:49
:(
Jon Taylor
@Jonskichov
Jun 01 2017 17:50
Excellent. I'll keep an eye for anything major over the next couple of days, but one the iOS version is approved I'll aim to release on all platforms
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 17:50
Like the above?
:p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 17:51
would you prefer this as an issue on the alpha repo, @Jonskichov?
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 17:59
Isn't Transport profile updated?
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 17:59
blob
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 18:01
Transports no longer have fire/access points
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 18:02
alright, question - are we including multiple keyword units in multiple cats, or only in root cats?
ex: Priest/Jacobus, Prime psyker, etc
Toreador13
@Toreador13
Jun 01 2017 18:06
Anyone working on Dark Eldar?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 18:07
spiky elves are still free i believe
Toreador13
@Toreador13
Jun 01 2017 18:08
I have started them, so will continue then.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 18:08
Aeldari is one cat iirc
Toreador13
@Toreador13
Jun 01 2017 18:08
Makes sense.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:08
Doesn't need to be now
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 18:09
True
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:09
Cartag got Multi Faction working he said
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 18:09
votes for multi-inclusion?
Toreador13
@Toreador13
Jun 01 2017 18:09
so do we have like a plan listed somewhere ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:09
What do you mean?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 18:09
primaries psyker.
Toreador13
@Toreador13
Jun 01 2017 18:09
Standards?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:10
No, I meant Jon.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 18:10
it's root is AAT, but it's AM keyboarded too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:10
No we don't have anything written down
You can assign Keywords in the Root Link Jon.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 18:10
understood - just wasn't sure if were were still doing C:IA duplication EVERYHERE or not.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:10
So in the AM root link, just assign the AM Faction keyword too :)
ah
not sure, really
Toreador13
@Toreador13
Jun 01 2017 18:12
So are we doing individual
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:12
Sure? Idk really
We are for imperium for sure
These new cat files are small enough we could fairly easily do an Aeldari one though
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 18:13
@Kohato I'm assuming that you're handling the <Dynasty> necron keyword not as individual names? Merely the generic version?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:13
Si sr.
Faction: <Dynasty>
and Faction: Sautek for example for imhotek
Toreador13
@Toreador13
Jun 01 2017 18:14
Because I can do all or individual by army list if that works
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 18:14
Mmmm. I wonder if there needs to be some place to identify that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:14
Identify the Dynasty?
no
Because of user made dynasties.
we can't add in a text box for user input
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 18:14
More of a "User field description"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:15
Yea, that'd be nice to have. If Jon puts something like that in, i'd be all for it
As of now, I'd suggest to players to define Dynasty in the notes section of the list.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 18:16
Because space marines have that same kind of issue. And we could .. in theory have an army with multiple dynasties supported, or space marine chapters
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:16
Yep.
And since the game supports user made factions/septs/dynasties/chapters/etc
Unless a user field entry is there, there' no point to go past <Dynasty> except where indicated on named characters.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 18:25
did they already omit sly again in the index?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 18:26
Marbo?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 18:27
yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:27
Good god Imhotekh got better.
no longer a LoW
And his storm lord ability
Once per battle in your Shooting phase, Imotekh can call the storm: when he does so pick an enemy unit within 48" of Imotekh, other than a <Character>, and roll a D6. On a 1 nothing happens, but on a 2+ that unit suffers that many mortal wounds. Then roll a D6 for each enemy unit within 6" of that unit. On a roll of 6, that unit suffers D3 mortal wounds.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 18:27
uh
Do I read these leaks right.. or are squad leaders suddenly.. free?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:28
Would make sense.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 18:28
thats a HUGE point decrease for most thnigs
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 18:31
Yeah, squad leaders are free. I didn't appreciate that until I started making the data file. It's a big points cost for lots of units.
Points cut.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:32
They are in sigmar too
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 18:32
^
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:34
Harlequins done
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:35
omg
thairn
Shared Entry Group defaults work
Is taht new?
or was that fixed before the alpha
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:37
Please, accept pull request
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:38
? there isn't one
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 18:39
yeah they were buggy
jon obv fixed them :P
didnt even notice..
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:39
Upd*
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 18:41
Sq leaders are free... but in points costs you still have to pay to equip them.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 18:41
well the upgrade to leader is free now :p
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:41
Gotta remove the python files.
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:42
Ok
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 18:42
Like they say "the first hit is free" then they nickel and dime you to death with the add-ons. (Free:Veteran Sargeant ... I'd like the powerfist and plasma pistol upgrades... that'll be two arms and your left leg)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 18:43
but.. but... skitarii rangers-- 5 guys.. 40 pts..
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 01 2017 18:44
I suppose it depends if you're looking at "power level" where everything is free, or matched points where nothing is ...
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:44
Done
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:44
And done
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:45
Thx
Is anybody working on Dark Eldar?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 18:45
well 10 Tac marines no upgrades are 130 points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:45
I think someone is yea
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 18:45
yeah, i think @Toreador13 is
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 18:45
Im confused
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:45
Craftworlds?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 18:46
@Toreador13
Not sure about craftworlds.
haven't seen it claimed yet
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:46
ok, tell me when to merge
(merge catalogs)
zkillz
@zkillz
Jun 01 2017 18:46
hey guys just put in a join request, anyway i can help?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 01 2017 18:48
no longer confused. models are NOT free. Why the hell did I..
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:51
If nobody claims craftworlds in next ~16h, i'll do them
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 18:51
We should create a profile type for "Explodes". So many vehicles have it with very minor variations to the distance, and the number of wounds caused.
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:51
@tag8833, good idea
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 18:51
Another thought is a profile type for "Psycker" for much the same reason.
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 01 2017 18:52
Do not think so -- all psychers have different options
Open-topped have exact same wording, too
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 18:53
I know, thus profile type.
Spells they can cast:
Spells they can Deny:
Spells they know:
More Info:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 18:56
cast and deny seems like 2 differant number most of the time now too
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 18:59
are we officially having separate CATs for Aeldari?? I notice @USSX-Hares called his file Harlequins
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 19:00
I thought someone was doing a combined space elf catalogue?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:00
@cartag got multi working
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 19:00
Is it claimed on the maintainers list
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:00
so separate now
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:00
yup, which is true
aha, separate is good :-)
although, not for Ynnari
zkillz
@zkillz
Jun 01 2017 19:06
i think it would make sense to keep them in the same one with options to filter down or change to ynnari rules
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:08
for me, the main decider is performance
which depends on CAT size
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:09
with the death of formation we should see a decent increase in performance compared to 7th
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:10
there is that, but then there are a lot more rules per entry...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 19:11
Speaking of those - I'm keeping all but special rules listed at the front of the book listed as "Wargear" profiles.
To mirror dataslates as much as possible.
eg.
image.png
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:13
that looks nice if you have inline profiles
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 19:14
I've honestly never used anything but that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:17
has anyone done anything space marine related yet?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 19:18
nope
Feel free to take that off my hands if you want.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:18
lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 19:18
they've done some work with the shared things
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:18
well im starting on DW and wanted too look at an example :p
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 19:18
BA will end up looking very close.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:18
BA is done i think
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 19:18
i think that's partially done or fully done
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:19
Oh yeah, speaking of which, what naming convention do we want to use...? some CAT's have underscores between words, the T'au one includes the reference to the index.....
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:20
afaik we have always just used the Army's Name, no underscores
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:21
people need to sharpen up the 8th Ed Repo then...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:21
i think we should rename all the files to be their UID
/s
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:22
lol
it would be funny
i guess im just going to start on SM since i need like half the entries for DW...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:23
so looks like MT currently is not separate.
one less cat for me to do.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 19:24
@alphalas Yep. I'm mildly pissed that my Tempestus went away. I've been running that army at tourneys this year, and had just about figured it out.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:25
still technically a thing in a AM army
just use the HQ/Elite FOC
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:25
well done @flakpanda take one for the team :-P
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 19:26
Yeah, but it won't be a separate faction for the ITC. I was going to try and win both the MT and inquisition factions this year.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:26
ah ok I get you
I have a feeling ITC is going to change how things work in response anyway
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:27
uurrrghh... stop powergaming :-P hehehehehe
I'm going to win all the things!!
(I'm just being silly)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:28
powergaming = best gaming :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:28
LoTD isn't a thing anymore either, is it?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:28
legion of the damned?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:28
as a separate army I mean.
yeah
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:29
no they are
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:29
idk I literally haven't looked at Imp1
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:29
RTFM, or in this case RTFI!!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:29
book one is sm, ba, da, gk, dw, lotd, sw
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:30
:+1:
I'm busy doing imp2 thongs, asshole :P
things*
Jon Taylor
@Jonskichov
Jun 01 2017 19:31
@GenWilhelm instance of should work for any category. If it isn't, it's a bug. An issue would be good, thank you!
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 19:31
I'm sure you meant thongs...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:32
@Jonskichov, i've opened an issue on the desktop-alphas repo for you
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:32
my workspace atm:
20170601_143029.jpg
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:33
that is a biiiig screeeeen
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:33
55"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:33
rofl, that second monitor being 10x the size of the first one
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:33
i dont normally use it like this
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 19:33
By the by, anyone notice Khaine is now an HQ and no longer a LoW? Nice.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:34
yeah, some things shifted from Low to HP
HQ*
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 19:34
And Troupemaster from Harlequins became an HQ as well, with a better statline than before.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:35
avatar is an aspect warrior, interdasting...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 19:35
Isn't that what he really is?
A combination of the Phoenix Lords, who are all the pinnical of an aspect warrior?
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 19:36
taking a stab at some 'nid profiles, but I can't get it to show in BS. Currently doing Tyrannofex (set to Monster and HeavySup (primary)) which I've mirrored after Heldrake in the Chaos dex (which works), any likely causes of this?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:36
no, the Avatar is a shard of Khaine given life by the sacrifice of an exarch
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 19:37
Yeah, the Phoenixlords represent different aspects of Khaine, but they aren't literal shards of the Avatar.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:37
@GenWilhelm I'm about to upload assassins - plz update the gst link for me :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:39
@Szeras, how do you mean it wont show in BS?
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 19:41
creating new roster, but not getting any choices (HQ/Troops/etc)
probably something silly like not reloading properly
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:41
what do you have in root selection entries?
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 19:41
Also, as stated in the rules book, Aura abilities also affect the model that has the aura (unless it specifically states otherwise). So the Avatar himself doesn't roll Morale checks and is allowed to reroll charge rolls.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 19:43
ah, that's probably it, overlooked that section. Thanks
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:44
i've already got some progress done on tyranids btw, if you want to take over i'm more than happy to let you
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:45
well, it's early, so I'm going to have a stab at Eldar / Asuryani (Craftworld Eldar) and see how much of a mess progress I can make
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:46
go go simon, you're our man. if you can't do it, no one can*
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:46
@GenWilhelm it's up - plz do your thang
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 19:46
lol @GenWilhelm Just beat me to it!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 19:46
I feel better already...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:47
@/all is anyone in BA, LOTD, or tau? I changed the file names local and was gunna commit quick
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 19:48
I think crowbar has been working
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 19:48
I just want some factions to check, and your stuff is always the best :wink:
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 19:48
On BA in a separate branch
Might not have merged back yet.... Currently on my phone
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 19:49
@GenWilhelm yeah, that fixed my problem. I wouldn't mind contributing to nids at least. Mind it's been a long while since I've done anything in BS, but I'm catching up fast
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:50
kk I'll push this now then - just make sure you delete the underscore in the file name before you commit
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:51
@/all is anyone doing anything to the gst atm
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 19:51
I think I saw him say he's already done the underscore removal in a prior commit in his branch...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:52
it wasn't changed on github
as in primary 8eprep branch
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:53
@Szeras, i've pushed tyranids to the repo. its got profiles for all the wargear and points for wargear and units, as well as a basic structure for the units
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:53
thanks @GenWilhelm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:54
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:54
will be doing the same with SoS/Cust/AAT too
those should all go quick.
4 or less units lol
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 19:54
I'll check it out. Do I need access to commit?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:55
@/all just commited new gst
added “And They shall Know No Fear” to sharaed rules
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 19:56
you'll need access to do a direct commit, but until then you can submit a pull request and have one of us merge it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:56
damnit @flakpanda I just started assassins lol
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 19:56
Sorry I was away... Was there any issue with BA, LotD and Knights?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:56
lol
i asked, no one said anything
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 19:57
just changes naming convention of file for BA and LoTD
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 01 2017 19:57
gotcha. I'll have a look at it.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 19:57
having that rule there is better than like 6 cats having it
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 19:57
Oh ok, shouldn't be a big deal then
I'll update my files as soon as possible to use the shared atsknf then
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 20:01
Do we really need the "power catagory" for the psychic power porfile?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 20:01
On a completely unrelated note, does anyone have a digital copy of Shadow War Armageddon rules?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:02
I might
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 20:02
I agreed to run a league for the local store, and we have 20 participants 13 of which decided to play either space marines or Orks, so every day I get asked to take photos of my book.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 20:03
Blessings to you my friend.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:03
it's not a great copy but it's there
trust me, ask @Kohato - if there's a pdf/epub to be found, I probably have it, or will have it shortly lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 20:05
Haha yep
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:05
I also deal in illicit items from the Far East but that's for private chat
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 20:07
Fixed the filename conflict :) I'll resume work on my branch as soon as possible!
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 20:07
Hah I think i might know that guy
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 20:08
oh shit no I didn't fix it
I may have broken everyone's files...
I'm fixing it soon!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 20:10
sounds like fun... Now I'm at the start of my journey into the realm of Keywords...
if Eldar has "Ulthwe" as a key word, should I add that?? and he has a keyword "Eldard Ulthran" should I add that as well - seems a little silly...
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 20:11
That's bc his name is Eldrad, not Eldard which does sound a little daft, yes.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 20:11
cheeky monkey!!
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 20:12
Hindquartery ape?
I think you should add all of them, fairly certain they will get some use down the line, as in when the codex hits the shops.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 20:13
I added all of the keywords to my entries. Even if they aren't called out now, they might be important later.
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 20:13
^ that
Always wanted to do that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 20:14
hehehe, best get my typing fingers working properly then...
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 20:15
Ok, I deleted my bad merge - everything should be ok now...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 20:19
Primarus Ancients are 69 points… Giggity
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:22
damn assassins got buffed and nerved at the same time.
nerfed*
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 20:29
Vindicares are beast
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:29
indeed
they die like dogs now though
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 20:30
yeah
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 20:30
where do the Keywords show up on the output??
are they supposed to?????
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:30
why is ironclad dread a keyword in gst?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 20:30
idk
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 20:30
still have their 4++ and they're characters so a bit harder to target. But still a total glass hammer
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 20:31
not yet @FarseerVeraenthis
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:31
true.
I missed that lightning reflexes was the 4++
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 20:31
righto, where are they supposed to be ticked? in the shared entry, or the root entry?? or both??
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:31
so not as bad as they could be.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 20:31
The Vindi is 90 pts right?
I missed the invul first time i looked too
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:32
dios mio i'm glad i have 5 vindecares
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 20:32
:D i thought i had too many at 3
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:33
eversors I'd say yes.
vindis? naw
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 20:33
(the 2 metal ones & the new plastic)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:33
can we put imperial in gst?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 20:34
fuck… the imgur gallery of the leaks are gone… did someone save them?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:34
I got them on pdf bra
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 20:34
yes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:34
scroll up
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 20:35
i dl'd the zips
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 20:36
thats the link to swa
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 20:36
scroll up a bit more...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:37
as a rule are we putting in the unit name keywords too? ex Vindicare has keyword vindicare
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 20:38
I am putting them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:39
k
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 20:41
i am since like there are 4 captain units
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 20:41
I am, but then I've only started with Eldrad and I'm just setting up all the SEG's and so on
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 20:44
And I finally fixed all the shit I screwed up during the merge...
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 20:44
is there an agreement on how we're getting the abilities to display? As Wargear in the unit or rules that appear at the bottom of the output?
i currently have Ragnar Blackmane outputting like this
blob
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 20:46
I put them in as shared rules, linking them in the entries
Except for the shields, which I've put as wargear items
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:46
I'm honestly not sure tbh
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 20:50
np, i'll carry on as is for now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 20:53
Screen Shot 2017-06-01 at 4.53.32 PM.png
that's how vindicare outputs right now.
and yes, WIP
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 20:58
interesting… jump packs add +1PL but dont cost points
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 21:00
same for blackmanes wolfs
+1PL but no points
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:02
image.png
Can someone help me understand why this isn't working:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 21:02
what are you trying to do?
just increase the PL?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:03
Increase the PL by 6 if there are more than 4 Flash Gitz
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 21:03
select Flash Gitz instead of parent
and try again
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 21:04
flash gits as in root squad entry
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 01 2017 21:04
They're Orks, It just works.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:04
Works. Thanks.
Why wasn't it working? flash Gitz was the parent
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 21:05
idk, parent doesnt always work for top level
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 21:07

interesting… jump packs add +1PL but dont cost points

For the units I've seen, there is a different point cost (for instance, Captain vs Captain with Jump Pack)

flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 21:08
thats the same data sheet. you just have the option to take the jump pack. but bike and terminator armor are different sheets
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 21:08
Yeah, same datasheet but different points cost in the table at the end of the book
It's pretty weird to be honest
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 21:09
oh ok, i was looking in the wrong place
i was looking for wargear
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 21:10
I was kinda confused too the first time I read
But entering data for Blood Angels... Now I know everything about jump packs lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 21:12
oh damn eversor lost fast shot
@penguin20000 I think profiles vs rules is better tbh.
that way the rules don't go away when you select nine only
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 21:14
good point
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 21:14
@Kohato @GenWilhelm opinions?
inline*
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 21:14
i think i agree actually
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 21:15
hmm, whats up?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 21:15
there's no description for meltabomb in GST
abilities - profile vs rule
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 21:15
Melta bombs are there as weapon entries
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 21:16
the profile link has no description though.
as in the preroll failed wounds against vehicles blurb
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 21:17
i prefer rules as i use the profile summary, rather than inline, most of the time
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 21:17
preroll*
damit autocorrect stop changing it
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 21:17
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 21:17
reroll*
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:18
How are you guys handling it when the datasheet and the points list don't agree on unit size
image.png
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 21:18
I probably missed it when I added that bunch of stuff yesterday... Feel free to add it, I'm not working of the files atm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 21:19
dont know, havent had that happen yet
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:19
I've got at least 2. possibly more
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 21:19
is there any option to take more than one Runtherd?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:19
I mean you can take multiple units of them.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 21:19
just not units of multiples
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 21:19
never seen anything like that
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:20
I had some other unit with a similar problem. I built it for points, because Matched play was most important, but now that I'm going back and adding power level, I'm not quite sure what to do.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 21:22
Adding multiples of it for each additional model
Well, I'd consider the power level on the datasheet as the one for a single model
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:23
OK. Seems fair. My other one, the Datasheet allowed more models than the points list i think.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 21:23
in that case, I'd follow the datasheet... I would try to stick with the less restrictive one
but let's hear what the others think too
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:24
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Other way around. Datasheet says up to 5 koptas. Points say 1-3
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 21:26
Whatup alpha?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 21:26
going to work. if the gst changes again, @ me plz
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 01 2017 21:29
Profile vs rule for abilities
Profile always shows in inline, rule only shows for summary
Also how are there no cheap drop pods on eBay? They got nerfed pretty good
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 01 2017 21:33
Well, if rules show only in summary it may be better to put them in the wargear... It would be more verbose but easier to reference during games
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:37

I started out going rules, and then realized wargear was a better way to go. So I'll go back and correct my early ones.

The exceptions are rules that are common. For instance your army wide special rules, or rules like "Explodes"

flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 21:37
Can someone rename the profile wargear items to abilities​?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 21:37
I'm doing profiles in necrons and sm
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 21:37
yeah, that is a good idea.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 21:37
They look better and closer to dataslates
And yes flak. I agree
I only use shared rules for global rules like reanimation protocols or living metal.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 21:39
Because I already started to use that for that purpos
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 21:39
Profiles it is :+1:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 21:40
For sm
@Kohato I'm doing SM now so...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 01 2017 21:42
right, I uploaded a very baby Craftworlds CAT, tbh, I have no idea if it is heading in the right direction or not... but I'm off to bed... If anyone develops a burning desire to do Craftworlds then be my guest :-)
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 21:47
ok Logan Grimnar's movement stat is blurred to all hell i can't tell if it's a 3 or a 5 . I'm going to assume it's a 5
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 22:00
Gotta be a 5, the only thing as slow as 3 is artillery.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 01 2017 22:02
yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 01 2017 22:12
Go for it flak
Be da man!
And use profiles ;)
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 22:33
Alright guys. Think I've got Orks all done. Feel free to take a look, and @ me if anything needs fixed.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 23:12
Am I correct in assuming it's going to be better for me to just redo all the detachments in the GST?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 01 2017 23:16
What is wrong with the gst detachments?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 23:16
I got multiforce set up and was going to sync when I got home from work
but now....
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 01 2017 23:18
if you want to avoid conflicts, you can revert the stuff i did on detachments earlier
and i'll redo it tomorrow
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 23:19
then Flak, Crowbar, and bitjump will all have to redo stuff too
if they did updates since then
I'm just redoing it. My fault for not syncing when I got it done last night
@all - Multi-force detachments are working and synced now. You'll see two of most detachments, one regular and one with an MF behind it. The MF are Multi-Force. After you add the first one, you can then add a sub force to it of another faction. Validation will be between the two forces, allowing you to take HQ from one and Troops from another, for instance.
I still had it up and in an editor, I just copypastad them over
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 01 2017 23:23
@cartag all I did was add one rule
Manuele Santoro
@diabolele
Jun 01 2017 23:31
Where is the 8th edition?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 23:32
uh, we're still working on it?
Manuele Santoro
@diabolele
Jun 01 2017 23:32
Ok can i help in dimensioni way,?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 01 2017 23:34
If you want to check the page of our maintainers: https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/wiki/Catalogue-Keepers
what army wre you wanting to help with?