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4th
Jun 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 04 2017 00:05
i will - working on ammitara right now.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 00:33
Who else thinks we need a new Psyker profile? Manifest, Deny, Powers Known
and Smite Changes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 04 2017 00:33
:+1:
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 04 2017 01:27
I bought a deffrolla at the gamestore today. It's been in the discount bin for 2 years now.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 01:28
:+1:
I bought my first 40k model in a year today, Khârn
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 01:46
I'm interested to see a chaos list with kharn and zerkers
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 01:47
You and me both :)
My zerkers are coming out of retirement
You know, I may just proxy a AoS character until Kharn comes in
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 04 2017 02:59
@Bitjump you were looking for best practices feedback for your tau data file. I've got some. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HYGVcxLEt1dhYmTlLYGmNrRAMj9oH-DmAWp6BzpLywg/edit?usp=sharing
Really good overall.
Tester44555444
@Tester44555444
Jun 04 2017 07:02
Just found this place after some digging. Possibly interested in helping out with the 8th ed files, I already did a partial run of some of the system out of frustration and wanting to have the listbuilding available on the go
not used to github, since I don't really code, but the example file if you want it is here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/r6lbis0amxx62ub/WH40k8th.bsr
terminator selection logic is stopgap, I had intended to steal the logic used in the HH files for command squads as it works well for mobile compared to many submenus
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 04 2017 07:12
Appreciate the offer to help, but we're well on the way with regards building the new Cat's.... Once they're officially released (17th June) you can ask to join as a maintainer...
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 07:15
@Tester44555444 you can take a look at #3737 if you want to help
Tester44555444
@Tester44555444
Jun 04 2017 07:15
We'll see, I might actually continue with what I've got depending on how mobile-friendly the main release is.
since there were/are good chunks of 7th ed files that are not
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 04 2017 07:16
Appreciate that, but 7th Ed was just horrible to implement properly everywhere...
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 07:17
@FarseerVeraenthis we don't really need to pardon ourselves. We did our best, right? :)
Tester44555444
@Tester44555444
Jun 04 2017 07:17
Don't I know it, I ended up re building some parts of them because of some local guys using older slower tablets that would just freeze
at least 8th is better and simpler
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 07:18
Very much true
Tester44555444
@Tester44555444
Jun 04 2017 07:20
before I took a break to find this I was actually playing with chapter switch logic since the variant chapters /finally/ use the core entry as a base instead of duplicating
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 04 2017 07:20
Hehehe, yes, some CATS didn't run too well on even the newest equipment... Anyway, 8th will be better, simpler, faster, more fun all round :-)
Tester44555444
@Tester44555444
Jun 04 2017 07:21
unless you're deathwatch :rip:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 04 2017 07:21
Nah, Deathwatch looks better imo than before
Tester44555444
@Tester44555444
Jun 04 2017 07:23
they lost options and actually invalidated previous modeling options, two of which showed up in their official material. Its pretty bad.
at least I only did them as a painting comp project and not as a primary army
I'll give the two knight cat files a once over, since I've already put them in once
Tester44555444
@Tester44555444
Jun 04 2017 07:39

style choice question, any reason you went for this grid style: http://puu.sh/waofV/c931b21c2e.png

instead of using break tags to carriage return it?

just curious since I haven't been at this for that long
and seems like the knights and everything else are dumping to uncategorized, can't figure out why
nevermind
Tester44555444
@Tester44555444
Jun 04 2017 07:44
well, I'm out for the night. if you want to save some work you should be able to dublicate the fortification entries out of the mainfile I authored, and the aux detachment selection logic is done in there vOv
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 04 2017 09:51
Wrt Deathwatch, wait for the codex is all I can say, otherwise, the grids denote different types of profile, just line breaks would be difficult to read... Things dumping to uncategorized means they probably missing category tags
But thanks for trying :smile: :+1:
Tester44555444
@Tester44555444
Jun 04 2017 09:53
the nevermind was because the game system files in the repo are missing the standard category entries currently, otherwise the knights stuff looks to be in order
rules and options look correct, and I can't force anything odd
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 10:31
No they're not. You just need to select the right primary category.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 10:53
Output format is not chosen by data authors. That's developer choice.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 04 2017 11:36
@Tester44555444 The reason it looks like stuff is uncatagorized is you aren't using the updated version of bs. You want 2.01 or newer to read the new files.
if you look at #3737 you can see where to get the latest version.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 04 2017 11:41
as far as output, we do data files, we have limit control over output. For the most part, we've chosen to attempt to mimick new dataslates with our output by putting abilities into a table that was formerly "Wargear". If you've got ides for major changes to the output, you can raise them here: https://github.com/BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas/issues
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 14:30
@tag8833 Thanks a ton for that feedback. I didn't realise Collective was a thing! I'll implement it all today and then it should be ready for proper validation.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 14:51
Collective is very nice when used right.
Shame it's still bugged when doing a collective choice (whole unit swaps x for y)
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 16:00
@GenWilhelm going to give the tyranids a once over, nice work on getting it done :D
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:05
is there a reason there is a Building profile in the gas, or is that left over?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:06
it's left over
do we have building profiles in one of the indexes? We have the Chaos Bastion in Chaos, but that's it that I know of
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:07
Imperium 2
I believe
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:07
there are fortification in imp 2 as well
but they are unified profile
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:07
Is where they are. Except tidewall. Which is in Xenos 2
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:07
look like transports with 0”M
well im going to leave it. it needs cleaning up if i delete it
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:08
it'll need cleaning up either way lol
it's all on if you watn to tackle it right now
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:08
no, i was adding a order number to the profiles and wondered why it was there
im syncing now
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 16:08
Tidewall is entered already - if you guys want I can do fortifications if they aren't already done
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:08
wait, like in AoS?
please don't
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 16:09
@GenWilhelm genestealers, they are coming up as 26 points each? From what I can see they should be 12?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:09
well with abilied named that now it shows first
because it displays in alphanumeric order
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:10
Genestealer weapons, do they cost 7 each?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:10
fuck... I downright LOATHE that about the AoS implementation
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 16:10
rending claws, 2 points each
base cost 10 for the model
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:10
why?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:10
Huh. Wonder what got messed
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:10
it doesnt change anything litterally
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:11
Throw an issue up on github calling him with @
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 16:11
i'm here
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:11
Nvm he's here
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 16:11
yeah i have no idea why their point are wrong
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:11
I just don't like it, mainly an aesthetic thing. It's just ugly IMO
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:11
Cause you secretly hate nids
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 16:11
how very dare you
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 16:11
That's cool, just glad I wasn't missing something obvious and end up looking like an ass
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:12
for who? us?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:12
The only time I support manual numbering is in random abilities. Or things like warlord traits that are assigned a d# for random.
But I don't think profile types are on view to users are they?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:13
He's meaning going in and numbering ht eprofile types
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:13
You can re order them without numbers can't you?
Just re order in xml
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:13
^
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:13
Screen Shot 2017-06-04 at 11.13.26 AM.png
why tho if we can do this
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:13
Did it all the time for old category entries.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:14
Personally, I use a keyboard most of the time when doing profiles. I don't click on each individual thing when I can tab, hit a letter, tab, and keep going
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:14
I suppose that works too, ability never showed up for me first either way. Was still unit
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:14
Revert it
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:14
i havent synced yet, calm down @cartag
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:15
So I have no steak in this
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:16
fyi, without numbers or reordering:
Screen Shot 2017-06-04 at 11.16.06 AM.png
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:17
O.o
That's not how it shows for me on win
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:17
yeah, hence why i wanted them numbered
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:17
With an updated gst too
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:17
Just so you can understand my irrational disdain for this, it is an active hatred for the AoS setup with the number profiles, I don't know why, not just a passive dislike.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:18
Didn't realize profile type name ordered on list printout
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:18
ive corrupted the xml before trying to reorder things. hence my dislike for doing that
and why i just number ordered things. doesnt change anything on the end user side
yeah. it displays alphanumerically
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 16:19
I'll STFU and deal if consensus is that it be changed, I just wanted to throw in my $0.02
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:19
I get what cartag is saying. I use quick alpha for ... like everything.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:19
most of us do
i do to
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:19
I get the output though. That has to change
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:20
someone can reorder the xml
i just dont want to do it :p i break things when i do that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:20
I can take a look tonight. I wonder why it doesn't show like yours for me
Even with the gst updated it shows unit then unit table then ability then weapons.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 04 2017 16:22
I don't mind looking at the raw xml tonight if no one beats me to it
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:22
maybe it just a mac vs win programming thing @Kohato
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:23
Silly apples.
I type this from my icult phone.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 16:25
is anyone assigned to fortifications?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:25
lol, im opposite from you. macbook and galaxy s8+
no @GenWilhelm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 16:25
cool, i'll get started on them then
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:26
there is a building profile in the gst, delete it and it will invalidate all them
lots of clean up :p
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:26
I'm fine with iOS phone. Desktop though. Custom every day of the week. Hackintoshes are just a pain in the butt
Oh god. Btw guys
Don't delete categories without unassigning from entries first
You get an unresolvable error that you have to fix in xml.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:27
well i originally bought the macbook because of work when i was doing home automation. one solution was programmed on macOS only and used a mac mini for the server
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 16:29
Am I misunderstanding Collective? I have it applied to a selection entry, but it's not condensing it properly.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 16:29
X condenses only if all children of X are collective
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 16:29
a selection will condense when all of its children are collective
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:30
Check necron warriors
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 16:30
There we go! That did it. Thanks.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:30
I use it there
Good :)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:30
collective?
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 16:30
Is there any reason to not set collective on a piece of wargear that could potentially condense, even if it won't in certain circumstances?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 16:32
Yes.
It causes issues in selection groups.
IE while unit exchanges x for y
Whole*
Only set when you will use it. You'll have to make duplicate entries too if you'll use it collective in one place but not another
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 16:34
Yeah, say Crisis suits can take multiple weapons. If you have a Weapons group where say Plasma is Collective, if you take plasma for one Crisis, all the others will have to.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 04 2017 16:35
hmmm… id have to see an example
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 16:35
Yep, I'm seeing that issue with Strike Teams. Each model can switch their pulse rifle for a pulse carbine. Is there any way to condense that, or is the solution a) create a Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle etc entry, or b) just do it non-collective and have them not condense?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 16:36
a
That's how it was. Ain't prettiest, but honestly even faster than nesting weapons.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 16:37
Alright. Cheers. Will do that.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 16:37
(faster for roster editing)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 16:37
if there's a few set loadouts then i would do "fire warrior w/ rifle", "fire warrior w/ carbine" etc. but if there's many options (eg. crisis suits) then go non-collective
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 16:38
Is there a difference from the point of view of paying for weapons when a model is"armed with" and "can fire"?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 16:38
I think more context is necessary.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 16:38
i think he's talking about stinger salvos
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 16:39
Tervigons are armed with talons, and can also fire stinger salvo's, but they aren't paying for the stinger salvos?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 16:39
Ah. Well, if the thing has point cost, you must pay.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 16:39
no models are "armed with" them, but some models "may fire" them
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 16:40
it's a wierd difference, but thats wrong on nids too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 17:09
Is stinger salvo an ability?
Or an actual weapon profile
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 17:10
weapon profile with a point cost
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 17:13
Huh odd.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 17:18
is this a typo?
twin icarus.jpg
i hope it is
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 17:20
why would it be a typo?
It's an AA battery
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 17:20
2d6 shots?
on a twin lascannon
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 17:22
how many points is it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 17:22
0
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 17:23
lol what's it on, got to be expensive
some fortification i guess
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 17:23
fortress of redemption has one
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 17:27
where's that? in imperial 2 i'm not seeing the fortress
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 17:27
Fortress is in Imperial 1, Dark Angels
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 04 2017 17:27
and yeah got to be typo, as the quad icarus is heavy 4
single heavy 1
probably got transposed from the plasma obliterator
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 04 2017 17:36
Also, when it says "units that can fly" that also now includes things like swooping hawks and vanguard veterans...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 04 2017 17:38
yup, "skyfire" is a little more versatile than before
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 17:39
In Tau everything except basic troops and infantry HQs has FLY :O It's damn more versatile.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 17:45
More things that make Tau worse. :(
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 17:59
Worse? Fly can fall back and shoot.
That's amazing
Goodbye being locked in combat
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 04 2017 18:00
Oh yeah, fly is awesome, it just completely changes a lot of things...
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 04 2017 18:09
I'm not really complaining. Well, maybe the skyray thing irks me, but overall great changes as far as reading paper goes :D
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 18:23
Yeah, it was mostly just a joke. We've had some hits, but we've gained a lot. Sky Rays are trash-tier, but Hammerheads and longstrike look good.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Jun 04 2017 21:01
Why am I getting errors about "newer version of Battlescribe"?? I just downloaded the latest..... is someone using some hacked custom version or beta or something?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Jun 04 2017 21:06
ok, someone is committing while using the Alpha 2.01 version.....
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 21:07
Alright, T'au file ready for validation. Gonna change all rules to wargear profiles when I get a chance
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 21:15
Oh joy. Someone must've done changes on that branch by mistake.
I'm nearly home Eric. I'll take a look
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 21:26
nope, nothing on the main repo
Jon put out the Release version of 2.01 though
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 21:52
Noticed in the prep repo that CSM and Daemons have been split, is this going to stay like that?
they both share the Chaos faction keyword so can both be used in the same detachments, splitting them seems a little odd
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 21:53
Easier to manage in the end, as they are separate factions.
Since multi-force now works via sub detachments
We can keep chaos separate like imperium
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 04 2017 21:54
Did someone remove Smite out of the GST?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 21:54
And until we have "Keyword Filtering", this helps users filter down to what they want rather than scrolling through so many options
Not I.
someone comitted GST about 3 hours ago though
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 21:54
so in scribe you could make a single detachment and add units from both the CSM and Damons files?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 21:54
Si.
"Batallion Detachment"
"Batallion Detachment Chaos"
"Batallion Detachment CSM"
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 21:55
hmm
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 21:55
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It lets you choose from multiple forces
And it will validate entirely.
Well, FOC Requirement validation
not faction validation. That's simply not possible yet (Future BS enhancment)
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 21:57
i see
yeh it does as you said, counts as having 2 hq's when i add 1 into each detachment
i actually didnt realise you could add a force into another force like that in BS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 21:58
Yep :)
It's how we used to do War Convocation.
@cartag took that and did it across all the detachments.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 21:58
feels little odd seeing it separate but i can see the benefit from a user perspective of having the 2 factions units in their own lists, makes it easier to find stuff
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 21:59
And that's the key.
User friendliness.
Slowness was a huge complaint in 7e
cat files were gigantic.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 21:59
With categories it works hella sweet now, and validation actually works
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 21:59
yeh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 21:59
Though they are MUCH smaller now, having separate cats will stave off future problems that single combined ones would.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:00
i'll likely have some of the forgeworld indexes on release day so if nothings been leaked by then i'll prolly pop in and see if anyone wants some pics
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:01
Chaos. Gimme. :D
I'll get more stuff entered today... just taking it at my own pace. Oh, Questor Traitoris is good to test
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:01
thats the one i defo have on order, i may just buy the others for completeness sake since they aint overly expensive
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:01
I thought about the IG one so I could get R&H rules
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:02
Only 15 quid isn't it?
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:02
yeh
the digital ones are £12.99
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:02
Not bad.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:02
including the FW ones
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:02
plus shipping stateside
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:02
but if im paying id rather have paper
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:02
Not bad. They do % shipping
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:02
^
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:02
and then just "acquire" the epubs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:02
So 1.25 quid
Er 1.5
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:03
i assume all these indexes will be replaced pretty quickly tho
by the codexes
which will probably have most of the index content reprinted in it
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:04
One day I'll get my FW Xenos index </3
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:05
all the FW indexes should be out on release day i think
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:05
Nope, only Adeptus Astartes and Chaos
The rest of them will follow sometime in June/July
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:06
Can somebody explain to me why FW and GW still have separate login information?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:07
Because they still think it's financially profitable to keep them as separate entities.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:07
We have the technology to use the same login for both sites, it's not that difficult
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:07
helps them get away with charging silly prices for FW stuff
cant tie the 2 together too much or people will notice they charge crazy money for postage and stuff from fw
£40 = free postage at GW, £250 for FW
and FW charge a percentage of the order price for postage
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:08
I had a $40 visa gift card I used to buy a $40 voucher on GW... can't do use it at FW I find out after the fact
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:08
i ordered that 1 book for £15, postage is like £1.8 for 8 day delivery and then it jumps to over £13 for "express"
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:08
You should be able to talk to GW support. Sometimes they're reasonable about it, they might exchange it
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:08
I just ordered Kharn instead
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:13
A lot of the changes are growing on me but some of it still feels meh
spose the codexes will add the flavour back
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:14
And just ordered the FW book because why not
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:14
I can't speak for any non-Tau army as I don't really play them all that much, but I definitely have some criticisms about Tau's design and changes this edition. A lot of it is good, some of it isn't so great.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:15
I have very large Tau, Chaos (CSM and Daemons) and Necron armies
but since i got the chaos stuff I've not used the Tau or Crons much
a lot of the Tau changes are huge in terms of game play changes
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:16
I think we're the army that has changed the most in playstyle.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:16
there are some up sides
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:16
Our two worst WAAC players are Tau, and they have been crying since the leaks that their army is broken and they're utter garbage now
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:16
the suits got a bit tougher, can move further in the movement phase and the Fly rule lets them move out of combat and still shoot
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:17
Their tears will turn to blood
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:17
i dont think Tau have become weak
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:17
I don't think we're weak. I think we're pretty average.
But our playstyle has to change drastically if we want to get any real mileage.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:18
yeh
in terms of 8th, my main gripes are...
loss of flavour in the armies, everything has been homogenized for the sake of balance. but could change with codexes.
i dont like all this d3 and d6 stuff
and there are changes that may play better but just feel odd
as in, you wont ever feel its not odd
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:19
I'm not too much of a fan of random-number-of-hits weapons. It's terrifyingly random and in my test games, I got really shafted by it a whole lot.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:19
like vehicles hiding behind a wall so no weapon has LOS but cos the tip of the track is poking out you can shoot all your guns
that will just never feel right
yeh, its a random game due to dice anyway and the dice swing can win or lose you the game
adding even more layers of d3 and d6 and 2d6 etc i dont like
i wish they'd just gone with lower fixed numbers
but other than that i'll have to see when i play it
be interesting to see how some stuff plays out tho, like.......
Fly isn't for flyers now
its anything that was jump, jet, flyer
so what we thought of as flyers generally get Supersonic, Hard to hit and Airborne
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:22
I love the flyer changes.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:22
Heldrakes don't
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:22
which means a min/max move distance, -1 hit when shot at, can only be assaulted by other Fly models and they cant charge
but Heldrakes...
30 inch move MC's now is what they are
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:22
7e was in a very very stupid state of balance with flyers.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:22
which makes them more like FMCs
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:23
FMC's who can charge without having to drop down first
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:23
which is how it should have always been
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:23
Either you brought them and dominated because snap shots. Or your opponent brought Skyfire and made your flyers an entire waste of points because they are so easy to bring down.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:23
it's a mechanical dragon
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:23
So nobody brought either.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:23
it seems insane though to give them 30 inch move
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:23
7th ed Flyers were super weird - they were good if your opponent had no flyers or antiair, so your opponent took antiair, then they were bad, and it settled in a state of noone bringing either
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:23
keep in mind i own several of them , so i love it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:23
O.o they're jet powered mechanical dragons
you want them to limp along the field?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:23
30 at start, it goes down to 10"
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:24
but turn 1, they can rock up 30 inches, baleflamer the shit out of something, charge
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:24
My scythes move 20-60"
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:24
Also, Sun Sharks are suddenly no longer the absolute worst flyer in the game
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:24
and due to Fly, next turn can move out of combat and do it all again
and they have no 90 turn arc
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:24
Yeah, and it's awesome.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:24
yeh
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:24
think of them like an FMC, not a vehicle
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:24
The arc is not as painful as it was before
since no weapon arcs.
I can fly my flyer in a circle all day and still hit things.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:25
and I love Infernal Regeneration
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:25
in 7th they were almost FMCs with the str 7 vector strike but the firing arc from their head was silly
Abaddon looks mint too
ive seen some argument about the rule on his sword tho
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:25
Your WAAC Tau players are some kind of stupid.
Tau didn't get hit hard.
They got a light tap to some very stupid shit they should never have gotten away with
and then got gifts back.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:25
Our power got moved out of our seriously egregious shit
And into other stuff
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:26
They don't seem to understand how utterly amazing Fly is on suits.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:26
the way i read it is everytime he fights, regardless of which of his weapons you will use, you roll a D6, on 1 his sword cant be used, on a 2-6 he gets that many attacks to use with the sword, then you can use his other 6 attacks with the sword or the claw (spread how you like)
but some are already argueing that u dont roll unless you pick the sword as the weapon to use.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:26
I was appreciating how great Fly was until a succubus kept my Ghostkeel locked in combat for 3 turns with that weird no-retreat rule they have
Poor keel
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:26
haha
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:27
It's clear, it happens when he fights
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Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:27
To his credit, on that third round he did get very mad and punched her to death with his one remaining 5+ to hit attack
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:27
yeh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:27
Yea, anyone saying if you don't use the weapon doesn't know how to read.
"When he fights"
not "When he uses this weapon"
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:27
looks 100% clear to me, but a couple of reasonably large 40k youtubers argue otherwise
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:27
zoomed in
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:27
40k you tubers don't know half the rules to their own army
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:28
aye
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:28
I'm agreeing with you guys, but we'll see what an FAQ inevitably says
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:28
^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:28
Please don't ever trust what they say :/
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:28
nah but it shows why we need a day 1 faq
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:28
MWG, the only one of them that is worth a damn is matt.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:28
to end those silly arguements
matt cheats like hell
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:28
the rest don't know a 1 from a 6 half the time.
Srs? He's the only one that seems to know his rules.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:28
MWG have an 8th game up
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:29
I want to challenge Dave... Khorne v Khorne.
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:29
and he cheats in it
several times
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:29
Steve and Dave are utter shit
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:29
matt knows the rules the best
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 22:29
Could be because I look like Dave gained 100 pounds, but that's beside the point
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:29
Hahah
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:29
but whether on purpose or unintentionally he gets rules wrong but moves over it so quick no one notices
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 22:29
MWG don't really know a thing
Their Sigmar battle reports are straight up unwatchable
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:30
in the 8th game for example, he rolled 4 dice for something that should have had 3 (he thought it had +1 attack) and 3 hit and 1 missed
instead of rerolling he just took the fail off and kept the 3
and moves on really quickly
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 22:30
Yes they are Bit.
Tabletop Tactics is the best that i've seen so far.
*Yes they are indeed unwatchable I mean
not that they are watchable
James
@skonk
Jun 04 2017 22:31
Tabletop Tactics are ok but i hate the way the main guy rolls the dice
squishes em up with his fingers repeatedly so they always flop out before he rolls em
always = almost^
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:02
Anybody have the dropbox leak location handy?
not alphas
but I have them saved there on mine
How do you force line breaks in profiles?
I know we used to do that for some
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:07
<br> works I think
or hit enter
I do that on abilities all the time
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 23:08
Doesn't work for me for some reason
I have it spaced in the editor
but the line breaks are ignored in roster view
trying <br> now
yep, that works.
ty
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:09
np
FLGS has a copy of each index... Chaos is as big as almost any of the other ones with fewer factions. Why oh why did I sign on to be Senor Chaos?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 23:09
HAha
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:10
like I've not even gotten all CSM or CD in yet
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 23:10
Necrons is nice and compact. I love it.
Orks too.
Orks, Nids, and Necrons are like the only ones that don't need any cross faction bs.
Well, Nids + GSC I guess.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:10
CSM is second only to AM right now in terms of size
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 23:10
Tau too.
Whoof
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 04 2017 23:10
Tau's wasn't too bad
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:11
CD is behind Tau and Orks also
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 23:11
Yea that's what I mean Bit. Tau, Orks, and Necrons are like the only ones that don't have shared keywords (Chaos) or (Imperium) or (Aeldari)
Nice and easy
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:12
I still need to finish Nurgle, Slaanesh, and generic daemons, half of CSM, 1kS, DG, and EC
fortunately, all the Chaos gods have similar troops, FA, elite, and HS options
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 23:15
Blegh
so manual re-ordering the profile types doesn't work anymore
to fix abilities showing on top (which is now on mine too)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:16
Okay, then can I request we don't change the naming schematic until AFTER all catalogs are completed?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 23:16
I'm still poking around so we don't have to
but yea, I'd like that
if we waited :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 04 2017 23:23
i'm tempted to get the FW epubs - unless someone else is.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:27
It was $23 after shipping to get it stateside as opposed to $19.99 for epub
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 04 2017 23:28
i personally prefer epub - and easier because it's ocr'd for our pleasure lol
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:29
For some reason I still type everything in
it's cathartic
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 04 2017 23:29
i type slow as shit so any OCR i can copy-pasta is Bueno
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 04 2017 23:29
I use as much Copy/Paste entry as I can.
But yea, I type it all out too.
for most entries, i'm usually faster typing than copy/paste.
Arhiman's banner dude
cartag
@cartag
Jun 04 2017 23:42
Oh chorizo breakfast burritos, you are so tasty going in, and so harsh going out...