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5th
Jun 2017
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 00:00
Nurgle down, and HQs for Slaanesh in
10 units left on Daemons!
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 00:02
Awesome. My buddies are waiting with baited breath for a demon data file.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 00:02
@tag8833 All changes you suggested implemented minus moving rules to wargear profiles. Still gotta get round to doing that.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 00:05
@Bitjump Excellent. You really did do good work on that file. I was expecting to find issues that were more sever than just a few little grouping things.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 00:06
Thanks! I was trying to figure out how to do that Collective stuff before, but had zero idea that it existed.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 00:07
Yeah, most of us start off with the benefit of having a bunch of files written to compare to, and learn from.
tekton
@tekton
Jun 05 2017 00:19
Started going through cult mech (whoever did the first pass did a great job actually) in the 8th branch, will do another pass after I get some painting done. Will also check out GK this week since Tau seems well covered (good job @Bitjump)
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 00:51
\o/
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 01:14
@tag8833 do they play one god only, or chaos undivided?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 01:21
because if it's anything but Slaanesh, they can start proofreading now
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:24
Daemons done
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 02:31
food break :3
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:38
Can the helbrute take two missile launchers, based on this?
Parsing from top down, I'd say yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:38
based on?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:39
incoming screenshot
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:39
ah
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:39
pasted, just waiting
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:39
No. One Hellbrute Fist may be replaced. Not "A hellbrute fist"
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:39
may replace one helbrute fist
after the first one, it has two helbrute fists
the line beneath it, definitely can't
wait, nm
brain fart
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:41
:)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:42
can you do missile launcher and power scourge?
I would say yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:43
Yes.
You can replace "One" hellbrute fist with misile launcher
you can replace "it's hellbrute fist" with scourge.
Meaning, the hellbrute fist(s) on it.
rather than a specific "One"
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:43
thanks for consensus
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:43
:)
Np
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:43
I already put it in that way, was just wanting to double check
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:43
Yep, i'm with ya on that
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:52
There's a very high likelihood that when I finish CSM, i'm going to rip out everything that doesn't belong and make a Death Guard file
then go back to CSM, rip out non 1kS and do the same thing
there's a good number of units in both from the regular book that aren't allowed, like for imperium
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:53
Not a bad idea
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:53
this is new and exciting territory, a traitor legion may get its own file!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:53
hahaha
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:53
Are we doing each and eveyr little faction as its own?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:53
As its own cat?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:53
because there's like six in the FW book
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:53
or category
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:53
cat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:54
It ... wouldn't be terrible
until we get keyword filtering in.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:54
Like the Imperial Agents book, if released now, would be X number of different files
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:54
People would definately appreciate having less things to slog through.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:54
and a way to modify categories
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 02:54
Aye, that too
once we get that, it's much easier to combine.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 02:55
yeah, once we can do that I'm golden, all of Chaos in one big angry af family
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 03:06
Only 14 more necron units and its done :)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 03:11
:+1:
I forgot how many I have left
I think around 10
I'm just dragging my feet
it's official, CSM is the largest currently
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 03:15
haha yea?
I'm adding the 3 Warlord traits to GST now
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 03:15
860kb, next is Orks at 685
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 03:15
Which means I'll be adding "No Force Org Chart" to each detachment.
So, it'll be under there if you want to link to it :)
Though I could just auto link it
force it in all cats evil grin
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 03:25
Nah, didn't do that
might piss some people off :p
But it's there now if you want to add a root link.
I added "No Force Org" to each detachment as well so it will show up.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 03:31
nvm, it's even better now.
It's a shared rule in GST - perfect use of rules now that we move things to abilities :)
eg:
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cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 03:35
:+1:
GrimDeath58
@GrimDeath58
Jun 05 2017 03:36
i found an error on the ork stompa
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 03:36
Impossible.
Gork and Mork wouldn't allow it.
@tag8833
You've been summoned.
GrimDeath58
@GrimDeath58
Jun 05 2017 03:37
preview and printout shows 18 wounds, wound track is correct starting at 40
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 03:37
Meh. we thought 40k was too much
*40
Raise an issue on github - @tag8833 will grab it tomorrow (or tonight)
GrimDeath58
@GrimDeath58
Jun 05 2017 03:39
ty
tekton
@tekton
Jun 05 2017 04:16
Is there anything special I should be doing for prepping pull requests for 8th edition data?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 05:36
@/all anyone working on GST? need to make small weapon change
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 07:08
I'm not :smile: @cartag I wouldn't worry about "dragging your feet" I've got all the units in - points and squad size only tho - and all the shooting weapons with profiles and shared entries, now I just need to add the melee weapon profiles, and shared entries, then flesh out the squads and add all the special rules...
sugar, I have a lot of typing to do...!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 08:33
also, who said Corsairs had been squatted?? If you look at the Contents list of FW Imperial Armour: Index Xenos they are there at the bottom; the Corsair Cloud Dancer Band, Corsair Reaver band and Corsair Skyreaver bands have made it through the transition so they will endure, although, not in the same format as before since formations are dead.
Penallegion
@Penallegion
Jun 05 2017 09:07
so is there an ongoing ticket for readthrough on the different factions ?
i just started reading on Drukhari and would like to give feedback for the writer
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 09:13
there's a main ticket i think, where we can mark them as ready for review
Not sure if Drukhari is even "finished"
BSData/wh40k#3737
@Penallegion or i guess you could just create a new ticket & the author will pick it up
Penallegion
@Penallegion
Jun 05 2017 09:19
cool i create ticket, just saw it was ready and thought i would give it a go
are there a responsibility list ? so i can see who to tag ?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 09:21
yeah, create a ticket, assign @Toreador13 since he is the catalogue keeper on the wiki :smile:
Penallegion
@Penallegion
Jun 05 2017 09:22
awesome :) thank you
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 09:23
no problems :smile: :+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 10:07
Yea flak. I was in it lasr@night.
It now. But just sync first
Like a coiple@hours before you asked I mean
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:12
nice tag Earl...
In other news, further to the discussion about the "FLY" keyword, this also mean jetbikes can charge aircraft and engage them in melee combat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 10:13
Shush you I just woke up
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:13
so Drukhari reavers and hellions are now extra nasty
:-)
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:14
Dark Eldar are potentially one of the better armies now
probably the most improved by 8th edition at least
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 10:14
Don't need fly to do that do you?
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:14
I think it's airbourne
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:14
don they have "hard to hit" or something that means units that cant fly have a penalty in combat?
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:14
wither Supersonic, Hard to Hit or Airbourne
either^
what i like, as a chaos player, is that helldrakes got none of those keywords
just Fly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:15
anything with "Airborne" can only be charged by units that have FLY
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:15
so can move 30 inches and charge
Fly also allows you to freely move out of combat and still shoot and charge that turn
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:16
Hard to Hit means -1 to hit from shooting attacks
and supersonic means you can only pivot up to 90 deg at the start of your turn before moving
(who says they removed the bloat from WH40k...?!)
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:17
is it supersonic that also adds Can't Charge ?
basically, proper flyers work more or less like they did in 7th
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:17
no, supersonic is all about movement
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:17
one of those 3 keywords prevents them for charging anyway
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:17
i.e. movement phase and Advance
Airborne say "This model cannot charge, can only be charde by units that can FLY, and can only attack or be attacked in the Fight phase by units that can FLY.
"
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:18
thats the one
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:19
yup, so, from the aircraft POV, things are little different
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:19
but some 7th flyers are now basically MC's
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:19
from the non-aircraft POV, things changed a lot
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:19
i.e. Helldrakes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:19
since many more units can engage qircraft now
yes, I haven't reviewed the new datasheet but it sounds like helldrakes are no longer aircraft
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:21
theyre basically skimmers now
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:22
in 7th terms they're FMC's
but they dont need to drop out of the sky to assault
i own 2, may need to buy some ore
more^
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:23
well, they are easier to hit now
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:23
they are
but they auto heal a wound each turn and are pretty tougth
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:24
so its not all buff, but yes, theyre still powerful
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:24
im sure they'l get shot to bits like
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:24
auto-heal?!
I've not looked at the datasheet yet...
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:24
basically anything that was a daemon forge model
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:25
infernal regen - heal 1 lost wound at the start of your turn
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:25
usually had a 5+ heal
but now they all simply auto heal a wound every turn
the main thing i like with the drakes now is that they start on the board, they can still move 30 inches, but are basically a big monster with Fly
so they van move 30, hammer something with the baleflamer or autocanon thing and then charge
and if they dont die, next turn move out of combat 30 inches and do it all again freely
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:27
not allowed to charge again if you fall back though, right?
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:27
Fly can can't it?
Fly units can fall back and still act as normal
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:27
i thought that just negated the shooting penalty
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:29
A unit that falls back cannot shoot later in that turn unless it can Fly
so i may be wrong about charging again, i'll check, but they can defo shoot
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:29
the sentence before that one
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:30
yeh
so can at least shoot
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:30
yeah, that's pretty nasty actually, because it is not a "proper" flyer (i.e. doesn't have a minimum move) they're nasty
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:30
yeah, no movement restrictions, and it can charge units that cant fly
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:30
it also has bonus's i think when damaging other Fly units
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:31
+1 to hit
with its claws when attacking FLY units
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:31
yeh
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:32
it is PL10 though, pretty spendy
but crazy powerful
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:32
i think most people will use points over the pl's tho
its probably not cheap in points either tho lol
i suspect most casual players will just up the points they play with
me and my friends were generally doing 2500-3000 point games in 7th already
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:34
if you always take the most expensive options then PL ends up being ~20pts each
and a lot of people ive seen playing were using PL over points
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:35
PL is easier to use at the mo
doing points lists on paper is pretty complex now
once the BS data files are done and/or other list building apps come out then points is supposed to be the most balanced way (according to gw) so i think people will continue using points
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:37
yeah, true. i guess time will tell which is the more popular. i know in my group people are pretty casual, so we'll probably lean towards PL to keep things easy
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:37
nice to have the choice i guess
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:39
yeah, looks like PL games will have fewer models with more upgrades compared their equivalent pts
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:42
ah
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:42
well, the PL doesn't always increase when you choose upgrade - who wouldn't choose free upgrades?!
I agree with you skonk, PL is definitely easier, probably always will be because you don't have to think about the cost of upgrades and can just play with whatever models you have to hand WYSIWYG
well, unless you have Deathwatch verterans with heavy thunder hammers of course...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:48
what happened to HTHs?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:48
sorry, my ability to read failed
nothing to see here :-P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:51
hmm, vanguard vets in a kill team dont have fly
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:52
Chaos Landraiders have Machine Spirit now :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:52
no, but the unit can fall back and shoot as if it DID have FLY
also, black shields are a free upgrade now, same as sergeants
veterans went down from 22 points to 19 :smile:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:54
is special issue ammo still a thing?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:54
yup
although, changed, a bit nerfed a bit improved
e.g. Dragonfire = +1 to hit units in cover. Used to Ignore cover
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:55
vengeance no longer gets hot
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:55
Hellfire = 2+ to wound (as before - it was poisoned)
yup
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:56
ignore cover and stealth has been converted to +1's and -1's and stuff now on everything i think
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:56
cool
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 10:56
May actually be worth Chaos players picking up a Lord of Skulls now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:56
theres a few weapons that ive seen that say "models in cover dont gain any bonus to the saves"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:56
and yes vengeance has been hit with both sticks... it has greater range than before but it is slightly less efective
Kraken is almost the same, +3" range, extra -1 AP
used to be 30" range AP 4
so lost some range
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:57
+3 for pistols, +6 for anything else
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:58
oh yeah... whoops! :-P
so it is the same
so vengeance is the same range, but now AP -2, instead of AP3
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 10:59
oooh, you can fire them out of storm bolters (twin boltguns) now
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 10:59
so less effective against marines
hmmm.. in the Marine weapons list, Storm Bolter is still listed
yup, so Storm Bolter still doesn't have SIA
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:01
wait, isnt it the same as a twin boltgun?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:01
and Storm Bolter =/= Twin Boltgun
the profiles are the same, but they are different
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:02
mon-keigh... smh
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:02
exactly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:07
Speaking of Deathwatch, @Tester44555444 what options did Deathwatch lose that "invalidated previous modelling options"?? I haven't done a back to back comparison, but I can't see what they lost that they previously had... Other than specific re-roll to wounds for particular Kill Team load outs... I think Deathwatch will still be good, and I can't wait to see what they get in their Codex
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 11:08
They lost some stuff back in 7th after the FAQ (something to do with Shotguns) ?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:08
oh yeah, the Boltgun/Shotgun loadout - possible but silly
silly because you have to swap out one weapon twice
Tester was saying some stuff that some modelling options that had been shown in GW material had been invalidated
but I can't see what
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:11
you didnt even have to swap out a weapon twice, you start with boltgun/ccw, swap the boltgun to a shotgun, then the ccw to a boltgun
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:11
oh yeah, that's it
I still think that's exploitation of a loophole
an example of powergaming that is not possible with the way the Index is written
and was FAQ'd out in 7th
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:13
yeah, it was a bit silly having ~9 weapon profiles on a single dude
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:14
uhuh, the only reason for doing it is to benefit from the template weapon for overwatch
well, IMO
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:15
i cant even remember what the shotgun did, wasnt it an assault 2 template?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:15
my experience of the power of Overwatch is that it isn't actually as powerful as it seems - more of a scare tactic than reality - well, in 7th anyway
and yes
St 4 with Shred
(re-roll to wound)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:16
so thats very nice even if you only get 2-3 guys under the template
then you can charge :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 11:27
Just remember, no matter how bad you mess up here, it'll never be that bad
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 11:30
lol
that was so not his fault tho
probably has good grounds to sue them for wrongful dismissal
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:31
yeah, that sounds pretty nasty
and @GenWilhelm Deathwatch really are a close range shooty army (in 7th) since everything should arrive by Deep Strike, and you can't charge from deep strike you need to land close and hit hard, then survive the backlash
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:33
rofl @alphalas, "the backups were not restoring". looks like they got what was coming to them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 11:33
Probably - their IT department had to be basically nonexistent to be so incompetent that it even could happen
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:33
because they didn't used to have pistols they were only veterans in CC, and power weapons are ferociously expensive (15 points!) on a 22 point 1 wound model is not very great
sounds like he did them a favour really
an impromptu Disaster Recovry Test
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:34
a very expensive one, though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 11:34
True that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:34
well... as long as they actually do manage to recover the data
one person's mistake is another persons hacker attack...
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 05 2017 11:35
@GenWilhelm There's a bit of a special issue with Hive Guard: Their unit size is 3-6 if you use power levels, but only 1-3 with points (currently set to 3-6 in datafile)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:35
Simon
Tester won't be back
So don't worry about it :smile:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:35
I'm not surprised
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:35
Apparently he took the dismissal of help as being an ass towards him
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:35
and I'm not worried
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 11:35
But the one comment in the thread is true - if an intern can break production in their first day you as a company have failed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:35
and started offering his own repo on /r/warhammer40k
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:36
good luck to him if he thinks he can write and maintain everything himself...!!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:36
@Szeras yeah, i wasnt sure how to handle that miss-match. i assumed the 1-3 at the back was a typo and the datasheet was accurate
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:37
Wait, what. @alphalas
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 05 2017 11:37
aight, guess someone will have to pester GW for an answer on that one
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:37
I call BS on that story ...
How a company doesn't have a brand new JUNIOR dev using tran on SQL is baffling.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 11:37
Just waiting for @Thairne to realize someone was working on his CM
@Kohato believe it or not it's not the first time I've heard a story like that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:39
Junior Dev having full production rights on his first day. No backups whatsoever. No usage of BASIC sql techniques.
If that's real I'd really like to know what company so I never ever ever trust my data with them.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:40
sounds like any other incompetent IT dept.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 11:40
Yeah - I'm guessing it's a young/new/startup company
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:40
No, there's incompetent and there's recklessly endangering customer information.
Poor dude if that's legit. He had no reason to be canned.
Especially in that brusque of a manner.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 11:41
Indeed
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 11:41
well they have a CTO and HR, i cant imagine they're that new
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:41
If I wrote the initial architecture of my startup and had my mom taking phone calls, I'm a CTO and she's HR.
That doesn't mean dick :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 11:42
I was about to say lol
Startups love assigning titles to people
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:42
AARM.
Dwight Schrute, the only man capable of being the assistant to the assistant to himself.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 11:43
"Engenders loyalty and a sense of belonging" and all that horseshit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:43
Even non start ups love it.
Before I Was canned from RSM, My title was Aplication Systems Specialist.
You're damned right I had my Business Cards made out to have A.S.S. on them
Earl Bishop, professional ASShole
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:47
smooth
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:48
Now though, I'm better.
I don't have a title
I have a sewn on badge to a button up blue shirt
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:48
at one site in our joint venture company (its complicated...) they have just introduced Business Unit Managers (or similar) - "You'll have to speak to the BUM" is now a proper pharse
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:48
(Security Guard lol)
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 11:48
you name is made up of 2 titles
your^
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:48
phrase
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:48
Yup, and yet in High School it was still Early Bird or the more "Clever" of the technical jocks liked URL when we were in computer lab.
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 11:49
lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:50
I like that one simon
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:50
I was speechless when I heard it
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 11:52
I work at a college
in Barnsley, UK
but since we're not a Uni, we have to have degree courses validated by a third party uni
and we have a deal with Sheffield Hallam uni to do that
so i wanted us to rename the higher education department to Sheffield Hallam Institute of Technology. They didn't got for it :(
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:54
Very "Accepted" of you
I would've voted for it.
Perfect mascot
Shit Sandwiches.
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 11:54
:)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:54
hehehehe nice one!
I bet you glad they DIDN'T go for it... At least someone was thinking of the acronym
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:55
He was the one that WAS thinking of the acronym
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 11:55
^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:55
"Where do you work?"
"SHIT"
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 11:56
it would have been brill
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 11:56
That woudl make my day every time I say it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:56
well, it would have been funny, not sure about brill :-P
I'd have laughed
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 11:56
we could have had some big metal signage made up to stick on the front of the building
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 11:57
yeah, with over-exaggerated different in font size between S and heffield
for example
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 11:57
:)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:12
that's a good point about new deep strike, 9" away means not in flamer range
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 12:15
Chaos have a nice Psychic spell that lets a unit move in the psychic phase :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 12:16
tyranids have the same :D
and it works if you cast it on GSC too
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 12:16
its obviously not foolproof but something like a Sorc on a bike rushing forwards
then DS something in (Warptalons are great now),9 inch away, use the spell to move them closer
then charge without being overwatched (new warptalon ability)
i reckon could be good if you also DS abaddon down with them so he gives them rerolled hits, and they themselves have rerolled wounds
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:17
Just noticed that Cypher is in the Chaos index
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lol
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 12:17
yeh
he had a chaos formation in 7th
in his own dataslate
nice to see him and the fallen rolled into the indexes he can be used with tho
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 12:22
he was BBs with csm and sm (except danglies) in 7th
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 12:22
yeh, spose he can be used with "dinglies" now tho in 8th since they're all "Chaos"
i do quite like that we can run a detachment with both csm and daemons in it.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 12:23
yes, a la kdk
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 12:24
yeh, but for any god now
tzeetch/tsons have been hurt by the changes to the psychic stuff
but being able to combine them in a detachment now is quite nice
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 12:26
wow, magnus is nowhere near the psychic monster he used to be
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 12:26
his smite is good and gets +2 to his psychic rolls but other than that he's no different to any other psycher
well, other than the fact that he's a melee badass
both him and fateweaver have that thing where they create spawn when they kill a character but if that spawn costs reserve points i dont think anyone will ever benefit from it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 12:27
1ks are going to get screwed by the matched play psychic rules as well
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 12:28
aye
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:33
I think I read somewhere that you don't "summon" a spawn - you effectively turn the character INTO a spawn, so it doesn't cost reserve points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:33
That's wishful thinking for people who can't grasp rules.
It's a new unit
It costs points.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:33
also, since Cypher has the Imperium Faction as well as Chaos, he can be used with Imperium armies too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 12:33
unless it specifically says otherwise
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:34
^
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:34
that's fair, I haven't looked at anything officla or read the rules thoroughly
so I'm just parroting trash from the internet
I am therefore a bad person
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:34
Same people have been throwing around attempts to get past reinforcement points in sigmar since it began.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:34
:grin:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:35
Take Trazyn for example
this is worded so his re-incarnation does not cost points
If Trazyn the Infinite is slain, roll a D6. On a 2+, you may choose another friendly (Necron) (Infantry) (Character), other than (Characters) you can only include once in your army. Remove that model as if it were slain and place Trazyn in its place with D3 wounds remaining. If no such (Characters) remain, or you rolled a 1, remove Trazyn the Infinite as a casualty as normal.
He's not being set up again
just placed where the other model was with D3 wounds.
in fact he's not even slain the first time.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:37
hmmm... seems like they have tried to be more clever with the wording of rules and so on in this edition
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:37
They have.
People will always find something to try to weasel an advantage where there is none, but 8th really seems to be fairly airtight.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:38
which means there will be more people trying even harder to break them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:39
not to say there aren't inconsitencies, but far less than in 7th
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:39
which is both not that difficult and a very good thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:39
yep
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:40
do you think GW has made an active effort to stop WAAC players from making life miserable for everyone else?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:41
I think the removal of detachments and general homoginzation of things points to that.
*Formations
not detachments
homogenization*
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:42
hehehe :-) and yes, I agree, although, it will be interesting to see what they do with the Codex
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:42
If you don't have 20 pages of special rules to remember and everything is right on the dataslates, there's far fewer loopholes to exploit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:43
because that's where the real drama started, e.g. the Decurion
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:43
Yea. I wish that never came around
and I abused the shit out of it.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:43
but yes, all rules on dataslates should be easier to maange
hehehehehe!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:44
Necrons were the first for it, but that started everyone else getting more and more and better ones (lol free transports)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:44
yeah, free transports was mental
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:45
at the end of 7th I couldn't even compete against some armies without that bonus to reanimation :/ - others ... (Orksnidscaugh) I could go fun cads.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 12:46
yes, after spending too much time playing Warhosts it felt weird to have to roll for run distances
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:46
yeah, Deathwatch is a good example, with formations you get re-rolls to hit and to wound, with a CAD you only get re-rolls to hit (on a 1)
and yes, that's funny, "what, I have to ROLL for my run distance?!"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 12:47
Oh yea, just formations by themselves got stupidly out of hand
Destroyer Cult, re-roll all to hit to wounds.
And lol the Canoptek harvest.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 12:47
i was so used to adding 6" to the effective range on all my small arms
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 12:49
oh, battle focus + auto 6" run, I was like "WTF?!"
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 13:55
@Bitjump Took another look at Tau. Looking good. One minor issue remains.
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Pathfinders look like they have selectable wargear, but they have no options.
I looked in the datafile, and I think the reason is, their standard wargear is setup as a "Shared Selection Entry Group".
image.png
I think if you changed it to a normal "Shared Selection Entry" it would fix this issue.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 14:01
It wouldn't have to be shared either, as I understand it, the only place it is used is under that one entry, so if you want to, you could add it directly there.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 14:10
looks ok to me, do they actually have any options on their datasheet?
oh sorry, yeah, the box that isn't on the right hand side
"Shared Selection Entry" should do it
or just Selection entry
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 14:14
yeah, the selection is bold, suggesting there is options, but the group is empty, due to not having any options
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 14:20
Yikes
Tomb Blades got a point hike.
22 points per model after equips to 51 points.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 14:22
5 power for 3 of them would suggest ~35pts each
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 14:23
A lot of stuff will surprise people with how expensive they got
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 14:23
It's the two weapons they get now
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 14:23
thats why i think a lot of casual groups will just play higher points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 14:23
9 points each, so 18 points for their base weapons.
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 14:23
Riptides now cost almost as much as stormsurges
the weapon options on knights have all gone up i think
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 14:24
@tuiscon Hey - if you're still around, The Necrons Cat is ready for QA if you wanna take a look :)
James
@skonk
Jun 05 2017 14:25
i'll have a poke at that myself later, i play crons too :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 14:25
Hey Gen
What is the "Swarm" Detachment you put in GST?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 14:26
Category for swarms?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 14:26
It was already there
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 14:26
really? i couldnt see one
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 14:26
Yea, I used them on scarabs, h/o i'll grab the id
Oh
god damnit
you and your stupid fork
I thought you just added it to the gst
you were just syncing.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 14:27
that was crowbar syncing into his branch :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 14:28
I want to customize that sidebar to stop syncing on certain forks :package:
wow. yea crowbar
why did I say gen
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 14:28
because that was my commit that added swarms
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 14:28
Carry on. Time to eat fo rme. Let me know if you find anything Skonk - I think I have it fairly down well :)
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 05 2017 14:29
yeah that was my merge :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 14:29
Yea, that makes sense
tekton
@tekton
Jun 05 2017 15:08
merged down the other cult mech changes, my PR is back up to date if anyone wants to look at it- I'm off to work but can continue later if help is still wanted/needed
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 15:17
@tag8833 Fixed. Thanks again.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 15:25
:+1:
@Bitjump You are getting a couple of error reports coming in. Just because someone says it is wrong doesn't mean it necessarily, sometimes it is just confusing, or the person making the report is wrong. I'll assign the issues to you.
#3744 and #3743
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 15:30
... I'm annoyed lol
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 15:51
Both were valid and have fixes - one was an obscured points cost in the initial leak, the other was a leftover collective tag from when I was still figuring out how to use them
Boom goes the dynamite
That spartan though
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 16:18
holy... those laser destroyers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 16:18
You hear that? That's the sound of @cartag blowing his load at the brass scorpion
I know right?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 16:21
You mean the 600point model laid low by a couple las cannons
:p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 16:23
but it can statistically kill an IK in one turn just with its close combat
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 05 2017 16:23
Holy mackerel... may have to use my Rapiers in 40k.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 16:25
Giggity
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 16:44
so the spartan is 23 PL but the Terminus Ultra is 30 PL…
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 16:44
What's point total on terminus though?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 16:44
400
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 16:44
@capitaladot i'm calling it now – as soon as Forgeworld officially releases all the Astartes stuff for 40k, all the 30K players are going to be super jelly
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 16:45
prob
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 16:46
After weapons?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 16:46
in the imp1 index @cartag it actually omitted if that includes wargrear or not. so im assuming not looking at the other LoW point values
so 9 lascannons. thats 625 total then
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 16:47
Which is right for 30 power roughly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 16:48
8*
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 16:48
hmmm... all I can hear is RUN AWAY!!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 16:48
8 lascannons
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 16:48
sry 8, so 600 even
but it can cause 6 mortal wounds to itself if you roll 3 or more 1’s to hit for the lascannons
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 16:49
Good thing we have cp to use :p
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 16:50
assuming base cost for the spartan is less because of comparitive PL, but having 8 lascannons itself, plus twin heavy bolters and crushing tracks (if they cost anything) it should come in at less than 600
hasnt FW units always been a bit undercosted tho?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 16:54
what is the cost of a Chainsword??
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 16:54
0
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 16:54
in the craftworld list it is 1 point...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 16:54
so 1 for craftworld
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 16:54
I was hoping to use the GST reference...
oh well
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 16:55
Lol
@/all has anyone else had a problem with PL/Pts when added them to a roster? When i do it it never adds to the total, but when i delete the unit it does subtract PL/Pts.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 16:56
Are you modifying based on count of model?
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 05 2017 16:56
never happened to me
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 16:56
no, this is happening with single model units
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 16:56
BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#154
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 16:56
I haven't quite got that far yet :-)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 16:56
Oh, odd.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 16:56
Potentially this?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 16:56
It has the same bug that point cost changing does
but wouldn't be on a single unit
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:00
i made a new issue BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#157
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 17:01
That's the issue I linked. Manually update your BS install from the alpha download and try again?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:04
weird. even tho it was same installer it fixed it. still a potential probroblem if it persists
also your issue was closed
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 17:05
Yeah, I know - meaning it was fixed already in one of the newer versions :P
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:06
i had the newest install is what i am saying
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 17:07
Huh - maybe they're set to the same revision so although it's a new version behind the scenes, version number didn't change so no automatic update or anything? Weird
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:07
possible
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 17:13
what build are you on @flakpanda?
because i had that issue on an earlier build
BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#154
oh i just saw bitjump linked it further up :)
latest build (87) also has the instance of category fixed :D
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:17
yeah. well call me stupid, thought i had 87... it was 86. gotta pay attention to my dl’ed files with copy in the name :p
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 17:17
LMAO I just noticed something on the GBS
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:17
?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 17:17
Twin Hellmaw Blasters: Pistol 2D6
Imagine the GBS with pistols
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 17:18
pew pew
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 17:18
I realize functionality is why they did that, but damn that's a funny visual
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:18
8” Str user AP-2 D1 damn...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 17:19
yeah, but you gotta choose between firing your pistols or everything else :/
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:19
its diapointing you cant shoot pistols when locked in combat, but can shoot then into combat
i though it was both when i first heard of it
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 17:21
it is both
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 17:21
you can shoot pistols whilst locked in combat
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 17:21
yeah, you can fire either pistol or others while out of combat, or fire pistols while in
but when out of combat, it is either or, not both
at least I have a max 18" charge range on GBS :)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:22
this was not explained to me properly then
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 17:23
A model can fire a Pistol even if there are enemy units within 1" of its own unit [...] In such circumstances, the model can shoot its Pistol even if other friendly units are within 1" of the same enemy unit."
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:23
yeah i just read it
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 17:23
so GBS can use either scorpion cannon and soulshatter bombard OR twin hellmaw blasters outside of combat
but can fire blasters while in combat :D
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:23
it has to shoot at the closest enemy if locked in combat
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 17:23
and no -1 to hit if firing heavy weapons after moving
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 17:24
i was bummed when i took rhinos in a game over the weekend and found out i couldnt shoot out of them
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 17:24
it can shoot at anything it likes if its only infantry within 1"
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 17:24
I guess that is why Trukks are so much more expensive than Rhinos.
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:25
I discovered this weekend, I am going to need to build 3 imperial bunkers for my eldar
as 9 to 15 dark reapers need a pill box
and split fire works nicely with those guys
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 17:28
I want to field my GBS now
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 17:28

Not wanna argue, but I see a problem with rule wording. In Shooting, bullet 1. Choose Unit to Shoot With it's written:

First, you must pick one of your units to shoot with. You may not pick a unit that Advanced or Fell Back this turn, or a unit that is within 1" of an enemy unit

RAW You can't even choose the unit, so can't move to 3. Choose Ranged Weapon and select Pistol.

Don't kick me. I really understand how it's played. :D

Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:29
read the pistol rule, it allows you to pick a unit with pistols
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 17:30
Nope, says "model"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 17:30
same wording on assault weapons with advancing
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:31
eldar battle focus is written strangely also. Basically, you can shoot if you advance as if you hadn't moved.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 17:31
Yeah. Could've possibly enhance the wording. But I think I've heard them say somewhere that base rules do have slight inconsistencies like that because otherwise they'd take about 100 pages again :D
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 17:32
Most gamer's can't follow Wheaton's Law though so need everything spelled out in crystal clear detail
i don't know why I said "gamer's" instead of gamers... fail.
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:33
The one that came up in our game was, I had three melees going on around Jain Zar and she had killed her last target. So, she was the closest unengaged target. But, the rules don't actually say unengaged.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 17:33
Yeah. RAW, you can't shoot at a character if there's a closer unit even if it's untargetable
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:35
that was a pretty funny game, the other player kept running at her with assassins. He had 5 of them. She killed 4. The farseer smited the 5th to death.
assassins are way too cheap
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 17:36
I think there's a handful of characters that are too cheap because of the character targeting rule
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:36
and 150 conscripts with 3 commissars is annoying
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 17:36
"They're cheap because they die quickly!" Well yes, sure, but I can't ever shoot them
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:49
@YounWH40k_twitter
bah
meant to click on options
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 17:49
agree, that guy is the worst, bah to him!
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 05 2017 17:49
I think both GW and ITC have said "visible" means visible not eligable, so can't shoot at a character if another unit is engaged closer.
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:51
it's going to take a bit to get people to stop adding rules from older editions into the game
and my group is particularly bad about it. As a few of us have played since Rogue Trader.
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 05 2017 17:52
yeah the lack of vehicle firing arcs is gonna feel weird for months but it's still an improvement.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 17:52
I just took a look at Assassins
They, uh... seem a little too cheap
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:52
they are
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 17:52
And by "a little" I mean by a significant margin
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 05 2017 17:53
assassins being Characters is a huge buff to them
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:53
the one that doesn't allow you to use armor saves is terrible in this edition.
by terrible I mean to face
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 17:54
And given you can just take one of the mono-elite detachments and spam them... I have concerns
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 17:54
only reason I was able to take them with Jain Zar was because she goes first.
even when they charge
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 18:01
has anyone else had a look at Mauler's suggestion from #3737?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 18:03
Its not a terrible idea. I'm not positive it is worth it.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 18:03
we'd end up with another 5+ profile types, maybe more
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 18:04
i looks nice for inline profiles, a bit messy for summary, and it would add some extra bloat to the gst
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 18:04
I just realised flamers autohit flyers
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 18:04
If we put them in the CAT instead of the GST for Wound trackers we'd be OK bloat wise.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 18:04
we're just spreading it out to everywhere though
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 18:05
yeah, thats lots of duplication
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 18:05
there's some that are going to be used in everything
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 18:06
we could decide a handful of the most common combinations to go in the gst, then leave everything else to catalogues
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 19:03
@/all Whoo! We now have 50% of Cat files ready for 8th. #3737 Is there anyone that is currently feeling overwhelmed that would like some help with one or more factions?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 19:04
ad mech is on there twice btw
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 19:04
Fixed. Whoo. more than 1/2 way there.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 19:06
if you want you could probably start the ynnari file
get the triumvirate in there and start bringing harlies and deldies across
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 19:07
I figure that one is part of a greater Eldar File, right? Because Ynnari use the same units as Craftworld, Dark Eldar, and Harlies.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 19:08
im not sure what the consensus on that was. arent we sticking to sub-factions now that cartag figured out multi-force detachments?
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 05 2017 19:09
github down?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 19:10
I was thinking sub-factions stick for armies that have units that can be combined like Imperial soup. But I figured armies that share units like Ynnarri and Space Marines would be 1 Cat.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 19:10
@Szeras im getting 500
nvm, back up now
i have no idea. it borked
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 19:11
I'll get the Ynnarii chars done.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 19:11
yeah, those will be needed either way
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 19:12
:+1:
You know what, know that I'm thinking about it, we don't need to merge the files thanks to Cartag's work. We just need like a checkbox on each unit to mark it as ynarri.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 19:14
thats an interesting idea
might be a bit painful to build ynnari lists though
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 19:15
I mean Ynnari are painful to play against, so it might be somewhat poetic?
We'll figure it out later. I'll just do the chars for right now.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 19:15
wait, you dont enjoy wraithknights that can shoot 3x the normal rate?
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 05 2017 19:16
rest in piss 7th edition
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 05 2017 19:17
They can't anymore, only keyword Infantry gets to Soulburst now.
Soz, and Bikers.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 19:21
I'm working on the Craftworld CAT, Harlies and Drukhari are done (by others) and there was a plan to merge them all together into the Ynnari CAT once the big three were done...
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 05 2017 19:21
But to compensate those Infantry and Biker units can now use a Psychic Power or just have a round of close combat.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 19:21
the problem with Ynnari is that they lose a lot of special rules and all their keywords
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 05 2017 19:23
They don't lose their Keywords, they gain one (Ynnari). They do lose a few abilities though.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 19:23
yes, sorry, its the abilities I meant
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 05 2017 19:26
It isn't possible to hide an ability if a unit gains a keyword?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 19:26
show/hide based on keywords is not working atm I think...
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 19:26
That loss of battle focus makes that entirely not worth it.
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 05 2017 19:27
Never mind, probably easier to just copy/past the right Asuryani/Drukhari/Harlequin units into the Ynnari cat and delete the right abilities, I guess.
As you can tell, I don't build cats :wink:
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 19:28
can you add to each profile an if statement
if Ynarri disable an ability?
as almost all aspect warriors have Battle Focus
and they loss that ability
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 05 2017 19:29
Yeah, that's what I basically suggested, but apparently this doesn't work (yet).
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 19:30
yeah, you could do that. depends how you're planning to structure ynnari armies
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 19:30
the thing is, that would mean every single unit having several show/hides attached to it
because dark eldar lose power from pain
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 19:31
eldar loss is the ability to advance and shoot
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 19:31
@FarseerVeraenthis Have you considered making the abilities shared entries so that we can show or hide them there, and just link to them in the unit?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 19:31
well theyre army-wide abilities, so they should be shared anyway
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 05 2017 19:31
Ideally it would be that the viable Aeldari units would gain the Ynnari keyword when placed in a Detachment where one of the sub-detachments in BS is Ynnari, then lose their special ability because of gaining Ynnari. But it sounds like quite a bother to put it up like that.
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 19:31
sadly, not every eldar get those abilites
I think
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 19:33
good point, but it appears you cannot have naked rule links in the shared selection entry groups
(the rules are already shared)
hang on a tick
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 19:34
i think the cleanest solution is the one we did previously where ynnari are their own cat with adjusted copies of the aeldari units
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 19:35
Yeah, you'll have to embed the rule in a shared selection entry.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 19:38
yeah, and then it looks crap on the output, and in the roster
Ynnari can have their own CAT
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 05 2017 20:03
did the weapons on sisters/ad.min - is this about the right size for a pull req, or should I aim for more/less in each?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:10
uh don't pull req either - i'm in both cats
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 05 2017 20:11
oh, looked like nothing was being done on it, should I just leave you to it?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:12
you know what go ahead.
but always check with whoever is listed in the keepers list if they're actively working or not
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 05 2017 20:13
ah, I'll keep that in mind
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 20:13
@/all Does anyone want to tackle DW or GK specific data sheets since SM is all ill be able to do? After im done with shared units you can just copy paste them.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 20:15
is there much shared between GK, DW and SM?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 20:15

SM is all I'll be able to do

brutal

I think GKs do have access to some units, vehicles mostly
plus libra
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 20:16
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Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 20:16
DW is pretty much all in SM, there's not much added
although, there is a lot taken away...
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 20:17
grey knights will have a slight issue
a bunch of those units gain brotherhood of psyker
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 20:17
Thing about DW is they take the sharded one and mod the equipment taken
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Jun 05 2017 20:17
@flakpanda If you want feel free to copy shared stuff from BA
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 20:17
IE.. the dreadnought becomes a psyker
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 20:18
Yeah, GKs get their own cat for sure
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 20:18
yeah, you have to copy the node to GK cat and mod it @YounWH40k_twitter
but base work is done, just double check options each unit can take.
same with DW
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:19
@Szeras there's a reason my last commits in those cats were called las's problem children lol
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:23
Coming back to wolves after a few days out, how do i go about fixing this?
blob
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 20:23
oh dear, what were they linked to?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:23
Double clicking does nothing apart from the bottom one, which is where Smite has vanished out of the gst
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:24
what build are you on?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:24
just updated to 2.01.00
Windows
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 20:24
If you can figure out the ID that is missing, you might be able to create an entry with that ID.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:24
i had a similar issue switching between alpha and 2.01
it might have to do with linked categories
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:25
ah maybe
I'll also look at adding Smite back into the GST with the same id
unless there was a reason it was removed?
(i'm assuming it was just missed with the MF changes)
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 20:26
I think it should be in there. Some armies have nerfed smite, and they should get special smite inside their cat.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:26
so i guess my next question is, anyone in the gst?
@/all anyone in the gst?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 20:29
I'm not atm
(I'll be working on the Craftworlds CAT until the end of days at this rate...)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 20:30
worked it out - its the imperium category
id="98dc-f7ed-49d2-1922"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 20:30
no
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:32
@GenWilhelm my issue?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 20:32
yeah
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:32
awesome cheers
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 20:33
oh, is that the reason it shows No primary []none as first keyword?
for space wolves
when it should be Imperium
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:34
I guess, i was linking the the gst Imperium i think.
Did it also get killed?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 20:34
Added the Ynnari chars. I'll let someone who knows eldar better handle the other units once the Craftworld file is done.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 20:34
yeah, it was removed from the gst
@YounWH40k_twitter that's the same for all catalogues, in case you want an entry to not have a primary category
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 20:35
ok
I take it that is the work around for fortifications
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:35
why did imperium get pulled out of gst?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:36
np, i'll sort it. I have no issues going into the xml to sort it. Pushing Smite back into the gst with the same id it had previously now
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 20:36
Can someone remind me what was the reasoning backing abilities as profiles instead of rules?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:36
nicer output
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 20:37
@penguin20000 if you add a category with the same id, it will all sort itself out
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:37
you can't accidentally hide profiles
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:37
ahh yeah :+1:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 20:37
:+1:
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:37
Sorted
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:38
anyway, why did imp get pulled out of gst?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 20:38

@GenWilhelm

that's the same for all catalogues, in case you want an entry to not have a primary category

Care to explain? I don't understand :<

penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:38
Not sure
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 20:39
in the data editor, under categories the first option is "No Primary", which you can select to clear which category is your primary one
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 05 2017 20:39
@alphalas I'll bet it was by accident when the multi-force detachments got setup.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:39
If we want Imperium in the gst i can add it back
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:40
might be a good idea for validation down the road
not a big deal now but forward-thinking and all that rot.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 20:41
i think I’m the last gst update last night and imperium was still in there. currently still is for me
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 20:42
it's not in mine - weird
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:42
i can't see it
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 20:43
i just looked. i take that back. its not there.
but i have one in SM i must have made at some point in the beginning
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 20:48
imperium was taken out when the Corrected MF force detachments promotion happened on june 2
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 20:49
yeah, looks like a couple of the previous commits were rolled back by accident
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 20:50
basically:
  • <categoryEntry id="98dc-f7ed-49d2-1922" name="Imperium" hidden="false">

  • <categoryEntry id="a089-247f-b684-db1c" name="Chariot" hidden="false">

penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:50
looks like chariot got put back
Sean McLaughlin
@YounWH40k_twitter
Jun 05 2017 20:50
chariot replaced imperium
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 20:50
aH
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 05 2017 21:33
per my last commit... OMG there is a lot of special rules for Phoenix Lords...
time for bed
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:01
anybody know what happens when a dunecrawler hits 6 wounds?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 22:05
Explodes into confetti and glitter
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 22:05
^?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:05
thanks, i'll let my opponent know
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 22:06
Cawl cries a bit
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 22:06
lol
play it as 7-11 still
or expand it to 7-11/4-6/1-3
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 22:06
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cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 22:07
@flakpanda what happens when it hits six wounds?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 22:07
exaclty
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 22:07
explodes into confetti and glitter
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 22:07
lol
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 22:08
the confetti and glitter cause D3 wounds in a 6" area.
not mortal wounds, they're regular, no rending
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 22:08
id expand it to 6-11
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 22:08
I'd say it's meant to be 3-5, 6-11 - Tau Hammerheads are 13 wounds and are 4-6, 7-13
So it seems to be half then round down for the first bracket step
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:08
pred and whirlwind are 6-11+, so we're going with that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 22:08
its half round down it seems for odd numbered wounds
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:10
@Kohato @GenWilhelm Gwyn is dead. Hah, it was rather funny since the 4 kings... I was so tanky/broken that I simply stood there and whacked everything to death :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:11
rofl, you got massive poise?
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 22:11
Big poise for big boys
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:11
lmao ^
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:11
lets just say
I was Havel.
30ish vit and endurance, 50 str
all havel gear, dragon tooth +4
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:12
i guess you could say... they smelt what you were cooking
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:12
just block and when they stagger hit em for 400ish with R2
for funsies ran through the tutorial on NG+. Lets just say I didn't run from the asylum demon :P
felt almost a bit like godmode ^^
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:13
do you recognise my avatar now?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:14
honestly.. nope
did I kill it?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:14
yeah, its one of the bosses
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:14
in DS1?
dont remember smacking that about
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:15
its in an optional area
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:15
oh in the DLC? I skipped that. Got that "Get thit done" feeling
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:15
yeah, its in the dlc :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:15
ah yes, its Artorias.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:15
yay \o/
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:16
considered doing it, but after 70h I didnt feel like adding even MORE to it :P
besides.. would've been a pushover anyway :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:16
but you didnt get to see his wicked flips 'n' shit
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:17
fucker failed his task anyway
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:18
he did more than the other 3 :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:18
he saved Sif
which I sadly had to get rid of :(
that alone makes him a hero
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:18
gasp... you didnt!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:19
I couldnt? how else to I get to traverse the abyss?
4 kings n shit?
nowhere did it say anything that I could save doggy?! OO
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:19
you murdered and innocent puppy just for that?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:19
well I saved the workd...
kind of. I think.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 22:20
Sif did nothing wrong :(
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:20
depends which ending you took :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:20
the linking ofc
why would I trust a dark snake over a snake with parodontisis?!
and shit that guy is flippy. WOuld've broken at my rock, but thats some 0% load shit right there
you know I was standing in oolacile... thouzght "UUUH MUSHROOM PEOPLE BETTER KILL TH... oh."
And that drained my will to do that very quickly :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:23
wait, you killed elizabeth?!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:23
v.v
not proud. Reflexes. I did to that mushroom guys way to often...
shroom with eyes, better kill it quick!
*died
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:29
BUUUUT I saved Solaire (had him kill Gwyn!) ANNND restored the Firekeeper at FIrelink! Uhuh, I didn't kill everything before I revived an empty world!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:31
oh nice, what about onion bro?
did you see much of him?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:31
died in Ash Lake after going Hollow.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:31
awww, rip
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:32
Big Hat should be around still, not enough souls to hollow him .P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:33
eh, i never had enough int for him to be interested in me
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:33
... 9?
you buy his spells and once thats done he'll hollow
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:33
im probably thinking of a later game
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 05 2017 22:34
quite possibly :P
gonna get DS2 once I get around to getting a PS4
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 22:41
ya know i never noticed that your pic is artorias @GenWilhelm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:42
apparently not many people do :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 22:43
http://i.tcgplayer.com/114812_200w.jpg that card amuses me that it is basically artorias
and yes, i play FoW lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:44
wow, thats pretty much a carbon copy. i wonder if its a common theme in japanese fiction
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 22:45
seems like it
wow zelot got straight-up boosted.
zealot*
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:50
as in chaplains?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 22:50
SoB zealot
no longer requires charging.
heroic intervention or being charged work too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:54
oh wow, they all have zealot
no wait, just the first 6 units
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 22:55
yeah just the ministorum stuff.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:55
is it just me or is celestine not limited to 1 per army?
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 22:56
Nope, you're correct - she's currently not marked as unique.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 22:56
Wtf O.o??? She isn't?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 22:56
i am alpharius celestine!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 22:57
That day one FAQ/errata
Seems like quite a bit of things will be there
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 22:57
There's definitely going to need to be day one FAQs/errata, there's a bunch of weird stuff.
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:01
hello folks, I'm looking on the necron dataset, I found some entry to be fixed, I was wondering how does it works. May I fork the repo commit the fix and then make a pull request?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 23:01
How about we create an issue for that kind of stuff like Celestine, the Onager damage table etc - could be helpful
An aggregate issue for Needs Errata or sth
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:02
has imperium been re-added to gst yet?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 23:02
sure, i'll open an issue for it
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 05 2017 23:02
Add Terminas Ultra not say if it's points include wargear or not.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 23:03
@shassino you could do that
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:03
Oki I will keep in touch once done
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:04
nope - anyone in GST?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 23:05
nope
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:07
alright added imp, astra, and astartes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 05 2017 23:11
how does that look?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 23:12
good
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:22
Wait
Hold on
Celestine isn't unique?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:23
Inferno Pistol needs added to GST
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 23:23
RAW, no
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 05 2017 23:23
It's a typo, Frontline confirmed it in their stream.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:23
Hahaha
That's the best typo
Big e loves her so much he rezzed her more than once at a time.
And her aura would stack
That's the best. An army of angelic hosts with rerollable 2++
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:32
For a unit that has to sh
have a uniq chioce is ok to increase the price in pts of that choice for every model?
For example atm the immortals can be mixed with tesla and gauss but the index state that all the unit shall have the same weapon choice
I'm thinking to use the pts increment and the repeater for every model in the unit
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 23:36
Hold on, let me find the datasheet so I understand your question better
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:36
Immortals cannot be mixed
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 23:36
I don't see how this is unclear...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:36
Check your errors
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 23:37
Yeah, it's either all Gauss, or all Tesla on the unit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:37
It should throw an error if you try
If it does not that is a bug I can fix. But I made it so it would.
I could make it even more elegant if we could make collective work from a shared entry group.
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:39
The error appears you are right, but it let you do the selection. If you use the pts increase it is just a radio button for all the unit.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:41
Yea. I did that in 7e. It is an aesthetic thing really. Showing you have 5 immortals and 1 tesla carbine
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:41
yeah by having counters the counts all match.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 05 2017 23:42
I prefer the current solution rather than the radio box one purely for the visual output, yeah.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:42
If you increase the model count the points do not increase until re selecting the weapon
It's another bug that is outstanding
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:43
that's annoying everyone in HH too lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:43
Ie. count on right side increases. But points in roster stays the same until you select a choice again
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:43
Not if you use the counter in the model instead that in the weapon
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:43
Also. I'm not here to police users :p If they can't read an error, they shouldn't be using this app.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:44
no it still won't count right.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:44
I'm confused. Cap the logic in the editor. I'm on mobile now.
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:45
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in this way it does but it is ugly
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:45
Yea. That way has always produced the point big for us :/
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:46
yeah that will not count points correctly if you change the count of guys.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:46
If you up to 10 immortals, the roster still shows 54 points of guns until you swap it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:46
BSData/horus-heresy#989
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:46
At least that's how it is working for me, one of the reasons besides aesthetics that I chose this route
Itd be nice if that was fixed in this mornings build though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:47
<he'srightyouknow.jpg>
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:47
Is it fixed?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:48
no.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:48
Oh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:48
i was saying you're right lol
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:48
I do reproduce that behavior only if I put the repeater in the shared entry
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:48
You got my hopes up
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:48
If you put it like the screen I sent before it count right
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:48
They're all shared entries?
Huh alright. I'll check it out tonight after work.
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:49
only the 2 weapons and the immortal, the multiple selector nope
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:50
I swear that's how I had it too :/
Was my main gripe against collective
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:51
they are not collective
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:52
Oh well I can't twiddle now. Feel free to throw a pull request and I'll take a look
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:52
oki
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:52
Yea I meant collective in shared groups doesn't work
So I went your route in 7e
And hated how it looked but it worked
shassino
@shassino
Jun 05 2017 23:53
I know what you mean :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:53
Hey flak how's sm coming?
I take my sec+ test tomorrow so i should be less swamped with studying and can help if you're still swamped. Saw you said you were busy with it.
Also. Whose idea was it to charge 200$ for a damned test
Per try.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 23:55
I'm Nearly done with all the SW HQ's (man they have a lot)
$200 for a test :(
has to be a technical one?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:56
Secutity Clearance test
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:56
Comptia:( only 200 because I got 180 off for using my 5 year old collage email
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:56
security*
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:56
Nah. Security + certification
Required for the security clearance job though
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 05 2017 23:56
sounds like Fun
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:56
mine was free...
ducks
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 05 2017 23:57
It's not :/ I'm nervous as shit about it. Be so glad if I pass tomorrow
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 23:57
I got my A+ and Net+ for $100 each roughly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 05 2017 23:58
nods
cartag
@cartag
Jun 05 2017 23:58
and I don't even use them anymore... good thing they never expire ;)
I got my Net+ one week before the cutoff, anything after has to be renewed