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7th
Jun 2017
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 07 2017 00:21
Khorne cares not for the shemalegod
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 07 2017 01:58
lol @cartag that sucks
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 02:04
so... i might have just picked up 1 deimos pred, 2 rhino chassis, and parts kits for 5 deimos preds...
tekton
@tekton
Jun 07 2017 02:11
nice
i think i'm just down to the shared units and putting in psyker rules for the GK and the then pull request should be good to get in for at least a base for people to use
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 02:13
nice.
i'm gunna let @CloverFox continue SoB; i think tomorrow i'll start the slog on AM
T6Ted
@T6Ted
Jun 07 2017 03:22
Is there a tutorial on how to modify/make data files? I am curious to learn and make help out.
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 03:22
I don't know of any real tutorial, but there's a handful of docs on the BS website. It's mostly just trial and error and learning from existing catalogues
T6Ted
@T6Ted
Jun 07 2017 03:23
ah ok I will head over there. thanks
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 03:23
They're not exactly the most comprehensive, mind
Just "These are the basics and descriptions of what all the elements are"
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 04:02
shit, I uploaded to master... just daemons though
eh, easy enough, just nobody do a push and we're good :)
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 07 2017 04:27
played two 8th games against chaos marines. 8th is fun!
tekton
@tekton
Jun 07 2017 04:27
yay fun!
Did AdMech stamp out that heretical chaos?
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 07 2017 04:29
did in the second game yeah
tekton
@tekton
Jun 07 2017 04:29
Huzzah!
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 07 2017 04:30
first game i played dark angels and it was close but i lost to the heretics in the end
gonna keep trying Deathwing. ravenwing might not have a niche anymore but maybe I just haven't found it.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 07 2017 04:44
@T6Ted If you want to learn how to make data files your best bet is to probably just look at some to see how they work. The data file editor works quite well, and once you figure out what data goes where, you are well on your way to creating your own file.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 07 2017 05:21
I've got a buddy that wants to load the 8th ed cat files on his iphone. BS version is 2.01.00
Do you guys know how to get the files in place?
tekton
@tekton
Jun 07 2017 05:50
2 units and 2 sets of weapons to go...so close and yet so far :P
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 06:11
@tag8833 2 ways: either put in Dropbox and have it sync to mobile (if you use dropbox sync) or download the zip form GitHub and on desktop use the data indexer to pack up the files up to a bsr file and open the bsr on mobile - will import to BattleScribe
Bojan Šernek
@baadc0de
Jun 07 2017 06:29
do you want me to open an issue for this?
  • make a unit of tyranid warriors
  • add adrenal glands to one (all get adrenal glands)
  • add a warrior model
  • that model comes without adrenal glands; add them to the new model
  • now previous models have 2x adrenal glands (and cost them at 2pts instead of 1pt)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 06:36
Definitely.
No
That's BattleScribe bug, it's already reported over on BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#159
You can thumb-up it so Jon knows it's real and important, though.
Bojan Šernek
@baadc0de
Jun 07 2017 06:43
done. thanks.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 06:43
thanks.
tekton
@tekton
Jun 07 2017 07:24
GK are in a rather usable state and ready to merge- going to go pass out now
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 11:37
@/all Just for the record (since I voiced interest) - I've looked into deathwatch, and I'm definitely not the right person to do it. Too unfamiliar with space marines in general and a much more substantial task than I initially thought; will be horribly slow if done from scratch, or poorly converted with tons of cruft if I base it on something else.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 11:41
Well done for holding your hands up and saying you can't do it, rather than having a bash and making a mess... I'd do it but I'm currently swamped with Craftworlds so I'll leave it for someone else :smile:
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 11:44
well, I poked back and forth, started over a couple of times (starting from scratch/sm/ba), and had essentially done squat after close to two hours. I'll see if I can type up some of the missing ad.min (sisters) later though.
(not actual squats)
James
@miproductions
Jun 07 2017 11:55
@cartag revalidated Questor Traitoris, it looks good
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 11:56
:+1:
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:11
Whoever is in the GST next, can you correct Lightning Claw profile? Damage should not be 31, or if it should be, I need to redo my entire army and give them all LCs.
This is likely my mistake also, I jsut didn't want to interfere with any planned updates
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:11
hehehe!! that's a funny mistake
I've been close to doing that a number of time
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 12:16
Aye, the Marine variants are a bit of a swamp at the mo due to everything being in the same book, technically an army can take every unit in there
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:16
@miproductions care to validate daemons? :D I can let you know when CSM, DG, and TS are done too if you want lol
Anything that has its own Army list I put into its own file. Anything that didn't, I put into the parent category for it (WE and EC in CSM, TS and DG separate)
James
@miproductions
Jun 07 2017 12:18
ok mate I'll have a look
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:19
@Szeras good call to hand it over, wasting time getting nowhere is never enjoyable for anyone!!
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:19
I think we should get something put into the GST and link in the detahcments on how to do a multi-force detachment. This way it will show in all data files, a way to catch new users up. We know how it works, but others don't.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 12:20
I'll take a look at DA now, unless anyone else it having a gander?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 07 2017 12:21
dont you dare ;)
I'm half way done
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:21
heheheh!!
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:21
And thanks for the help also @miproductions
James
@miproductions
Jun 07 2017 12:22
probably already underway, but I noticed that force org restrictions don't work right for multi-force detachments. e.g. SM as the primary, Inquisition as a secondary - if you have 1 SM HQ and 2 Inq HQ in a Battalion, it flags a validation error for "Minimum 2 HQ" - it only counts the primary force HQs
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:23
could be due to the Category tags that are attached to the HQ's in Inq
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:23
Which force type are you using where you see that?
James
@miproductions
Jun 07 2017 12:23
battalion detachment
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 12:23
@Thairne, you're DAing it? :]
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:23
I just verified Patrol is working, let me see on Battalion
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 07 2017 12:24
inquisition are all uncat atm
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:24
I had a similar problem last night when I was working on Warlock conclaves - copied and pasted a warlock into the entery and it counted every one as an HQ choice
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:24
Try with SM and DA, @miproductions, see if it works there
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:24
that'll answer that one then
James
@miproductions
Jun 07 2017 12:24
rgr 1 sec
works properly with SM + Ministorum
ok sorry jumped the gun on Inquisition
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 07 2017 12:27
no worries, anything not checked off in #3737 is not yet feature complete
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:27
hehehhe, all we need is feedback, silence is not golden when it comes to development
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:27
^
James
@miproductions
Jun 07 2017 12:28
well the devs are the real mvps but I'll keep QAing
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:28
I'm comfortable with the state of T'au, still need to refactor it though
Will be grabbing the FW xenos book whenever it rears it's head for sale so I can put that stuff in when the time comes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 07 2017 12:28
yes, I'm DAing it. For about 4 years, that is my cat now :P
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:29
Minor detour, but still related... has everybody seen the Slayer Sword winner this year? https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2132
James
@miproductions
Jun 07 2017 12:29
you're my hero then @Thairne I've been using that cat for years
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:29
It's all sorts of wonderful
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 07 2017 12:29
thank you :)
I'll commit the unfinished DA... I totally don'T like comitting it unfinished, but maybe someone can gleen a bit of advice out of it as is..
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:32
Anyone had chance to play Tau with the 8th ed rules yet?
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:32
I've had some playtesting
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:33
The 8th rules have really grown on me over the last few days but Tau are the only ones I've seen so far that feel a little meh
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:33
A buddy played against one of our WAAC Tatu players and made him cry. (Not really, but he whined a LOT afterward)
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:33
not as in that they're bad, but i watched a few games and they seem a tad boring
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:33
There's a lot of weird redundancy in our rules - certain things allow us to reroll 1s, then Markerlights reroll 1s too, then there's target lock to ignore moving and shooting penalty, but 3 markerlights do that, so on so forth
We've lost most of our stuff that made Tau Tau
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 12:34
@FarseerVeraenthis I'll have a look at the Asuryani once you're done with the cat. I'll also try and have a look at the Harlequins tonight (I don't think someone has checked on them yet, right?)
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:34
JSJ going was a real killer
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:34
yeh
they just seem overly generic now and markerlights look like more of a hassle than something to look forward to using
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:34
Losing the ability to deepstrike riptides, ghostkeels, stealthsuits, so on so forth sucks
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 12:34
I'll be starting on inq today - if @Szeras and @cloverfox can get sisters done I'll be happy
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:34
The basis of all lists I've been making have been "20 pathfinders"
sometimes followed by "another 10 pathfinders"
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:35
I'm sure I'll try them at some point (I owt Chaos, Tau and Crons armies)
own^
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:35
markerlights are essential but they're boring and you need so many of them now
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:35
yeh that was my impression
I'm quite happy with how Chaos looks at the mo tho
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 12:35
Ahhhhhh, @Thairne , you're the chap who posts in the FB DA group :D
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 07 2017 12:36
yep, that would be me
no need to summon me here :P
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 12:36
I'm certain every faction will be much more interesting once their Codex hits the shelf. Don't get too hung up on what is or isn't in the Indices.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 07 2017 12:36
I also dont disappear in puffs of smoke ^^
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 12:36
I'm so glad that markerlights got toned back down. I think that 4th edition got the power balance just right for the Tau in that regard
Haha
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:36
How do we think the Codexes will add flavour?
I'm betting it's mainly going to be down to faction specific strategems
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 12:36
See to me the things that make tau tau are Crisis suits, hammerheads, broadsides, and massed infantry lol
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 12:36
Warlord traits
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 12:36
They'll add specific Detachments, warlord traits and relics back in
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 12:36
Relics
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:36
I mean, sure they got toned down, but now half of what markerlights do we can get elsewhere
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 12:37
For certain
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 12:37
Special Detachments
Heh heh
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:37
Crisis suits and broadsides are absurdly expensive now, but hammerheads and infantry look good again
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:37
But i doubt those detachments will add rules
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 12:37
I don't think there are going to be specialized detachments
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:37
i think new rules will basically be in the form of strategems
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 12:37
Detachments, yes but Formations, no IMO
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:37
@Owlsbane that's cool, I've been working with @USSX-Hares , all the HQ's, wargear, weapons and basic profiles are in, just need to do some more special rules and sort out the validation for the units. I hope to have Troops and Elites done tonight and so the CAT should be ready in a few days
also, someone did already go through the Harlie CAT once, there is a bug on Github
#3757
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 12:38
Crisis suits and broadsides were originally expensive too
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 12:38
Sounds good. Already did some grammar checking, found some stuff, but so far it's looking good.
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:38
There is a designer talk with the 2 main guys up on the community site and from what they said it really did seem like it's going to be all about CP and Strategems
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 07 2017 12:38
I bet we're gonna see the bizarrest organisation of units to max out on detachments for CP
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 12:39
I agree though, 4e tau was best tau
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 12:39
yeh
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 12:39
In that case, I'll check the report and then decide if a second round of checking Harlies is in order.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:40
do you mean you found some stuff in the Craftworld CAT?? or the Harlies CAT??
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 12:40
And with grammar I mean spelling of course. English isn't my first language, soz :tongue:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:41
hahaha!! that's cool
(what is your first language??)
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 12:42
Some spelling stuff in the Craftworld cat. And you've combined the abilities that Phoenix Lords and their Aspects get, which causes some funky ability descriptions.
It's Dutch.
Or 'Dakka Dakka Dakka' like some of my Brit friends would say.
Crap, got to get to work, got a meeting to attend to.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:44
hehehehe, and yes, I know about the Phoenix Lord abilities, I think I was being lazy and unnecessarily scared of the Copy & Paste fairy
have fun!!
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 12:47
are there plans for having consistent naming of wound track rows?
I've seen at least 4 different styles so far
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:48
hehehehe :-)
feel free to make a suggestion
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 12:49
I think it would look best un-named, but then you lose sorting :/
though I'm going with <unit> 1,2,3 so far
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 07 2017 12:51
thats how I do it too
non-intrusive and sorting
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 12:51
@alphalas writing up vehicles as we speak, close to done with immolator
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 12:54
Is anyone looking at Space Wolves?
My mate look a look at the roster list and was rather upset to see that it's got a lot of infantry missing
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 12:56
@Szeras I've gone with just 1. // 2. // 3. in the individual unit itself to try and keep the table compact
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 13:09
@M4uler i'm working on SW, slowly but surely
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:12
10 days to release yet, plenty of time (that's what I keep telling myself anyway...!)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:15
@alphalas any reason #3765 (GKs) still waits?
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 13:16
@FarseerVeraenthis Sounds reasonable, I'll copy that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:20
@amis92 , @tekton said it was "ready to merge" does he have the access rights to merge it himself?? perhaps he simply didn't get to pressing the button before he "passed out"
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:20
no, he has no write access and he asked alphalas, I thought they were having some kind of agreement to check it, or something.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 13:22
about Book references, is it okay to limit them just the unit? Everything is contained on the same page pretty much now, so seems redundant (and needlessly increases the print size of rosters in some cases)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:22
that would explain it then
I've not included any book references (yet) for exatly that reason
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:23
Well... actually that's quite useless
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 13:24
Aight. I'll keep the one on the unit itself but not add any needless ones for weapons/whatnot
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:24
no wait
I didn't finish :D
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 13:24
please do :D
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:24
AFAIK selection entry references do not show up anywhere - so filling them is useless.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:24
@penguin20000 OK man, I did think that was the case, keep it up :]
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 07 2017 13:27
Amis is right
Profiles and rules only.
Anything else is for internal reference
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:28
so, @Szeras has a point, since everything is generally on the same page now, where should we put book references??
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 07 2017 13:28
I just do book. I've never done page
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:28
so that the refs. don't take up unnecessary space on the roster output
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 07 2017 13:29
That's a option toggle simon
Show or not
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:29
^ that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 07 2017 13:29
In list options once you click view.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 13:29
@FarseerVeraenthis I've put one on the unit profile - seemed the most natural spot to me
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:30
so, book Refs. should still be on everything, then if you want a horrible looking roster you can include them or not
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 07 2017 13:30
I left them blank
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:30
yup
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 07 2017 13:30
Then did a find replace all
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:30
which is cool, and works for me, just trying to standardise ;-)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 07 2017 13:30
Was simple lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:30
oh sugar, stupid slow typing
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:30
Also you might use, like, abbreviations, you know ;)
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:30
Does anyone need me to help with anything or shall I carry on with the stat damage tables? I got about 6 cats updated last night but I'm still reacquainting myself with the Github Desktop client and I don't think it's committed the changed files
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:31
that doesn't sound good
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 07 2017 13:31
What changes
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:32
I mean, I hope these catalogues are not ones that other guys work on
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 13:33
By my count there's 10 SW specific datasheets left to add then the generic marine stuff. Which in theory should hopefully be copyable from the SM cat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 07 2017 13:34
Nice
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:34
@M4uler which CAT's did you work on last night?
yeah, SW have a lot of dtaasheets
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 13:34
All of them HQ's
i was surprised to find that Bjorn & Murderfang didn't have stat tables too
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:36
I did it in reverse alpha...so...Gen added my 'Nids changes already, I did Tau, QT, QI, Orks were already done by the author, Necrons, 'Stealer Cults, DE, Craftworlds, CMS & Daemons
I figured that the Imperial forces would have the most vehicles with tables to change so I've left them until last
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 13:37
feel free to add the SW specific ones
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:37
Will do, cheers!
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 13:37
ad.min vehicles done
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 07 2017 13:38
I'll take a look at Deathwatch late today. I'll build the structure for now, and if need be, maybe @Szeras can help typing a few of the rules.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 13:38
I won't be working on it until this evening when the kids are in bed & adulting is done for the day
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:38
Will do those now - I'm adding in the specific stats to the tables rather than Characteristic 1, etc
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 13:38
Sounds good
I did Logan's Santa Sled already but feel free to replace it
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:39
For Chaos (I think) I added in some vehicle statlines which were missing but generally I don't make changes to other people's work
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 13:40
@tag8833 Sure, no problem doing plain data entry.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:40
I'm still trying to get my head around this wretched Github web interface so I'm not exactly sure how to submit changed files for review
I'm correct in assuming that changes in a file can be committed/refused on an individual basis, it's not all changes in a file that have to be merged?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 13:41
I probably overwrote your daemon changes by accident, I'm used to being the only person working on chaos stuff :/
The CSM file is still in progress too
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 13:42
@M4uler I'm using a personal fork with work branches, then submit pull requests and leave it up to the primary maintainer to deal with the merge (though I try to make for clean ones)
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:43
No probs cartag :]
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 13:44
I'll let you know when I'm done with them if you want to do stuff then
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:44
Righto
I've also combined CSM & Daemons into a single datafile for people wanting to do Daemonkin style Detachments if that's of any interest?
Removing all the duplicate entries was a pain lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:45
not required with multiforce
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:45
Ahhhhhh, this is a new change for 8th?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:45
@M4uler you should try the GitHub Desktop app
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:45
you can combine them in the roster builder without drama in the latest BS build
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:46
I have it at home @amis92, I'm at work at the mo :/
I'll check that out!
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 13:46
ah then yeah, web interface isn't best to make PRs
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:46
This is what happens when someone buts in partway through a project lol
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 13:47
Just trust me when I say I have it set up that way for a reason
I should just post something saying that the two will not be merged
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 13:48
People may appreciate that :D
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:56
there will be a period of training for the users, same as with V2 and Chapter Tactics / Chaos Alignments
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 13:58
And they STILL haven't figured that out
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 13:59
hahahah!!
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:00
Haha
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 14:00
Chaos is finally getting good treatment, two legions expanded to chapter style forces with custom units, Dark Mechanicum in the FW book, this is great
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:01
Guys, sorry to pipe up again - when I open a data file and I get a "Link must have a target that exists" error right away and I click on it but nothing happens...what's the best way to resolve it?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 14:02
reinstall v2.01
heard it helped someone
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 14:02
otherwise, which CAT?
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:02
Wolves
I've seen it when there's a datafile/BS version mismatch but I was fine working on stuff yesterday
I'll check for a newer client build and try again
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 14:04
fingers crossed, otherwise you'll have to search through and find which link has died
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 14:04
But you are working on 2.01?
then again, someone said re-installing helped. might've been other issue though
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:06
Aye, 2.01.17 I think
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 14:07
How do we know Dark Mechanicum are in the FW book btw?
i'd not seen that
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 14:07
@M4uler
2.00.17 is current public. We work on 2.01.00 from BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#133
Oh my bad, v2.01 is current public now
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 14:09
@skonk there's an entry in ToC with a character on a device used by Mechanicum. There's at least something invoking it at least.
Not all of Dark Mechanicum, but a start.
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 14:09
ah
cartag
@cartag
Jun 07 2017 14:10
Chaos Hellwright on Dark Abeyant
They've also named tanks as Hellforged rather than just "Chaos <Tank>"
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:12
Having a faff with v2.01.00.82A now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 14:18
@Szeras I don't know if @cloverfox finished the abilities on cel and cannoness- I know I didn't
If you wanna go through and just clean them all up that'd be ace
@amis92 I'm not really sure why I was asked about GK tbh lol
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 07 2017 14:20
@alphalas I can do HQs next, but got to go off for a while now. Pull in the vehicles?
( BSData/wh40k#3770 )
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 14:23
@M4uler i think v2.01.00.87 is the latest
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 14:23
@cartag yeh it's interesting
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 14:24
i did so something with the categories this morning but it should be ok. let me have a quick look
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:24
Same issue with the Wolves cat
I get two Link must have... errors, one links to a NO TARGET in shared psychic powers but the other clicks to nothing
Wolves v2
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 14:26
no errors here, have the latest GST?
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:26
I downloaded the whole 8th set as a ZIP
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 14:26
Even if you think you have it might be worth redownloading it.
hrm
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:26
Will check for copies
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 14:28
i've just sync'd all my stuff on my PC after my change this morning on my laptop and it's ok. The pyschic issue was fixed a couple days ago.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:29
Was my Dropbox faffing about - sorted, cheers :]
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 14:31
ahh yeah DB can do that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 14:33
one of my first lessons as a BS dev :+1:
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:37
Penguin, I've got some time - want me to add in the two SW flyers and then add in just the profiles for the other SM armour?
Just the shared entries and profiles
That way if you copy the stuff over from the Astartes file and rename to the Wolf stuff you can cut 'n' paste the tables in?
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:54
Question, chaps - the new Categories section for units, I get that you match the tickboxes to the keywords but what's the Primary radio button for?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 14:54
Battlefield Role: HQ, Elites etc
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 14:55
If you don't hit the radio button the unit will read as uncategorized
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 14:55
radio != checkbox
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:57
Ahhhh, gotcha. This is expanded out from the old drop-down list?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 14:58
yeah, that's the actual feature added in 2.01
it's to be a keyword implementation.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 14:59
Gotta add them into Category Entries too, cool
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 15:00
yeah. take a look how all the other file have done that. I'm not actually implementing anything, so my info might be off.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 15:03
@M4uler go for it
i'm working so sometimes forget to re open gitter :)
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 15:05
No probs :] Stormwolf & Fang profiles & shared entries added
I'll add in the vehicle & stat damage tables for shared imperial armour now, may not have time to get the shared entries started tho
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 15:07
No worries, anything helps.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 07 2017 16:19
@penguin20000 K man, category, shared, profiles & tables added for all 4 LRs, both Rhinos, Razorback & Predator, Vindicator & Whirlwind
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 07 2017 16:25
Sweet, cheers :D
Eligmil
@Eligmil
Jun 07 2017 17:08
hi, sorry, new here. Is this the place to mention bugs found in 40k 8th battlescribe?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 17:41
Yes, but it's better to leave a report on github
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 07 2017 17:45
anyone working on Adeptus Ministorum atm?, planning on adding all the abilities today but don't want to step on anyones toes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 07 2017 17:53
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel aint that great?
I got home. Opened my mail. Seems I have signed 2 mobile contracts and bought a 3000€ tv.
Off to the next police station
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 17:55
That must be a good TV... When is it being delivered? :-1:
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 07 2017 17:56
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 07 2017 17:59
I have no idea, I only have mail from the bank that sent the invoice
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 18:01
Not clever, definitely not what you need to come home to...!!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 07 2017 18:02
nope
but thing is, they probably used a card that got stolen a year ago
of which I do have a police file on and which was locked
so I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna pay a cent
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 18:09
That's some small comfort then, still hassle you don't need!
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 07 2017 18:12
submitted pull request for the AdMin abilities
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 07 2017 18:17
THAT is true
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 18:36
@cloverfox can you accept the pull yourself?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 07 2017 18:42
I don't have write access to the main repo
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 19:03
Ah kk
Shit nobody ever approved @Szeras's pull
@cloverfox is there overlap over the two pulls? I'm on mobile so have no clue
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 19:12
@Szeras 's PR has more content, so I'd merge it first
it'll most certainly make @CloverFox 's incompatible 'cause both increased revisions.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 19:19
anyone watched WarhammerTV stream? what was the result (Tau vs Khorne)?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 07 2017 19:20
=( accept @Szeras 's and i'll deal with the merge conflicts and submit a patch on my pull request, should just be the version number I'd guess, don't think i touched the vehicles
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 19:21
That's weird - what is the difference between a merge commit, a squash and merge, or a rebase and merge?
I've never seen those options before
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 19:21
Long to explain
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 19:22
(Also never merged from mobile view lol)
Tldr version?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 07 2017 19:22
you can commit multiple times to a local repo without pushing it, a squash commit means that the repo will only see 1 commit
the rest i'm a bit fuzzy on, I think rebase is where you move the head pointer that git uses to another location, then merge onto that. And a merge commit is where you've merged someone elses changes into your own copy, and then your committing those changes back to the remote, again, could be wrong, only switched to git from svn about 3 months ago ^^
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 19:25
Looks like no conflict with @cloverfox's commit - gunna try to push
Seems to have worked
Can't confirm though so you guys'll have to check
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 07 2017 19:29
looks okay from my side, thanks
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 19:30
:+1:
Thanks to both of you - does that finish off aMin?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 07 2017 19:32
nope, bunch of points missing, and some entries still in uncatagorised and some not categorized at all, I'll neural whip it into shape
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 19:34
:+1:
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 21:25
I only started playing 40k in 7th, and battlescribe was already a thing.... so I've never had to built lists manually and now I'm trying to (for an 8th game this weekend) I'm realising it's a fucking pain in the arse
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 07 2017 21:26
@alphalas Tau beat down KDK. KDK eventually conceded. There was like a 45 minute rules argument in the middle of the game. It is so good to see GW taking rules seriously.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 21:26
7th wasn't that bad, 5th was even better if I remember (codexes had options and points in one place). 8th is a hell
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 21:26
I was watching that stream
the rules issue was cos zerkers can attack twice but they wiped a unit out with their first attack, consolidated into another unit and people didn't know if it could then use its second attack
which it cant
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 21:27
i'll have to pull it up on twitch
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 21:27
cos the rules clearly say if you charged that turn, you can only target the unit you charged
had it been an ongoing combat or the zerkers had been charged they would have got to attack again tho
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 07 2017 21:28
I had an extremely busy day today, and my Day job has demanded all my available hours, so I haven't had a chance to work on deathwatch yet, but I should be good to work on it tomorrow.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 07 2017 21:28
Interesting
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 07 2017 21:29
It was pretty interesting. As I said, GW taking the rules seriously enough to have a meaningful discussion of them, and get them right in game was really impressive to me.
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 21:29
yeh
they still get stuff wrong tho but no one can know all the rules perfectly i guess
in previous streams Rob had insisted the way +str and x2 str worked had changed and that a str 4 model with a +1 aura and x2 weapon would be 10 str
but page 175 in the margin says its still the same as it was in 7th
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 21:30
what army are you trying to build a list for?
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 21:31
CSM
well, Chaos... may use some daemons
gonna use power for now since its easy to work out on paper, 150 power level i think we'l do
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 21:31
I think Cartag wants validation, so you could use BS to help :-)
yah, Power Level is easier than points by miles
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 21:32
i updated the files today but it didnt look complete enough for me to build a list just yet
couldnt see Typhus in there at all for example
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 07 2017 21:33
One thing they kept saying in the commentary was that units got cover for being obscured by terrain. It was hard to tell if that is how they played it on the tabletop.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 21:33
typhus is in a seperate cat not iirc
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 21:33
ah, I think he'll be in Death Guard
I'm not sure if that one is ready yet
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 21:33
oh, DG is in a separate file?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 21:33
uhuh, it is now :-)
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 21:33
ah
is scribe adding the points up properly now? last time i was testing it didn't seem to be counting them properly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 21:36
shrug depends how the CAT has been built whether you might have to select/deselect an option to get the points to update
we try to avoid that, sometimes it's not possible
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 21:38
what im not sure if with this too....
oh its ok sorted it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 21:43
right, Craftworld troops are in, as are all HQ and special characters, banshees, scropions and Fire Dragons are there.. things are progressing, should be ready by the end of the week (I hope)
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 07 2017 21:45
Awesome.
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 21:53
Acceptable
:wink:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 07 2017 21:54
:monkey: it will be beautiful so that's OK :+1:
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 21:56
Am i right in saying that a single detachment can have units from different legions in it?
Thousand Sons has a list of units that can be Thousand Sons, but nothing i see prevents me from for example having a detachment of mainly Black Legion and sticking Magnus in as a LoW
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 22:04
Correct. As long as they all share at least one faction keyword you're good to go.
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 22:04
:)
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 22:05
In competitive play all detachments in the list need to share at least one keyword as well.
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 22:14
aye
ta :)
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 07 2017 22:30
If Eldar Wraithknight is equiped with two scattershields (one from glaive and one from suncannon), should them be priced twice or only single time (their effects do not stack any manner)?
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Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 22:35
It can't have both. You give up both heavy wraithcannons for one of the other options.
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 07 2017 23:04
Why? It is possible to replace first cannon with blade and shield, and the second one with suncannon and shield
You are not replacing both cannons with the single option, and both cannons can be replaced.
Not the easiest wording, sorry.
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 07 2017 23:17
Yeah, I know. But they actually did a good job with this. It clearly states 'wraithcannons' and either/or, on other dataslates where a model can swap each arm separately they say 'one of these can be swapped for' etc... We just need to get used to GW being, I don't know, logical about their rules writing?
James
@skonk
Jun 07 2017 23:19
How it stands now with the rules for chaos; the choice of Legion is per-unit, not per detachment so this detachment-wide Legion selection seems like it would be better as a choice on the individual units themselves instead to me.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 07 2017 23:30
is it considered bad form to approve my own pull request? should i get someone to review it first?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 07 2017 23:37
no go for it
i'm committing directly to branch lol
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 07 2017 23:49
cool, thanks, sorry for the million questions, AdMin should be complete now, Maybe needs a bit of polish here and there, but it should be mostly usable