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9th
Jun 2017
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:00
Here's how my Zerkers look, for comparison
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If you can make the Boltgun, bolt pistol, and frag/krak grenades Collective entries it will simplify things a great deal
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 09 2017 00:06
the files seem to be split between the two methods, the space marine ones looks like mine, all broken out, whereas the eldar one for example is more like yours, grouped together
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:07
grouped is WAY easier for the end user
provided they are ones that have relatively static gear
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 09 2017 00:08
It really depends on the datasheet. If each sister can take every single one of those options, then that's unfortunately a reasonable way
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:08
^
They'd be bold if they had options though
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 09 2017 00:08
its not an option, they just get all 4, then some have an option of taking a special/heavy ect
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:08
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Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 09 2017 00:09
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Okay, given that this is the slate, doing the grouped way is better for the end user
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:10
much
set each to collective and you'll be golden
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 09 2017 00:10
You have options for the superior, then just have "Battle Sister", "Battle Sister w/ Heavy Weapon", "Battle Sister w/ Special Weapon"
set wargear inside Battle Sister to collective, enjoy
So much nicer
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 09 2017 00:10
yeah that's how it is, i'll try the collective thing, thanks
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:10
I'd just do Battle Sisters, then have options for "Replace 1 Boltgun with... " and have the options there
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 09 2017 00:11
Could do, yeah
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:11
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CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 09 2017 00:13
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that's how heavy/special are done
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:13
:+1:
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 09 2017 00:13
Then just set the Battle Sister gear to collective and it'll look a lot nicer visually
And be less work for the user
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:13
I still prefer to do them as a separate entry though
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 09 2017 00:15
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set collective where, I done it on each level doesnt seem to make a difference
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:16
Each weapon under Battle Sister
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 09 2017 00:16
ah
its a link it won't let me
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 00:16
If you're linking to GST, "Frag and Krak Grenades" is a collective shared entry already
It's one entry for both. It's just way easier that way since if a model has one it typically has the other
IN 7th I went so far as to do "Bolt pistol, frag, and krak grenades" since everythign in my army had them
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 09 2017 00:18
ah, k, i'll switch all these over
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 01:37
yeah i admit i was kinda inconsistant with the grenades - the supers i linked frag and kraks seperate, the sisters i linked to the collective.
polt pistols are also collective, iirc
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 02:45
Hey braintrust... anyone figured out how to do count comparisons on units with a given category?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 02:46
How do you mean?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 02:46
E.g., a constraint to have no more of X Category than Y Category.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 02:47
increment X repeated for every instance of Y
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 02:47
Cool... I guess that's old hat, it just used to be used for entries that sort of acted like Categories. Does it seem to work okay with Categories?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 02:47
there's really no if-then processing
Haven't tried it with categories tbh
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 02:48
Right-o... into the breach!
So, the HH has these dumb things called Rites of War. Some of them say you can only have as many of X marker as you have Y marker.
@flakpanda make sense?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 02:50
yeah. my chat window took a sec to load everything after your question :p
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 02:51
Another one says half the units in your army have to be Tanks.
Your initial message vanished from my window.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 02:51
yeah i deleted it once i saw more messages load
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 02:52
This new "all the Categories" thing, I am hoping, gives a better means to count this stuff that doesn't involve adding a bazillion weird Rule-containing Entries to the units.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 02:52
I know “instance of” is working for categories, but are constrains working as well?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 02:52
I hope it will slim down the file as well.
I have something implemented for Compulsory HQ and Compulsory Troops that works okay.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 02:53
but what about the number of tanks you mentioned?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 02:53
And incrementing Force Org slots (also warped by certain Rites of War).
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 02:53
if we could use an if/then system that could do calculations it would be nice
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 02:53
I haven't tried the "half of Units must be tanks" one yet; I am about to make the attempt. I guess I will have it increment based on Units in the Force, if I can?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 02:53
:+1:
@tag8833 you there?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 02:55
Hi
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 02:56
one sec, my thought may have changed
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 02:56
OK.
tekton
@tekton
Jun 09 2017 02:57
Going to start adding the psyker abilities and fixing the apothecary weapons for Grey Knights...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 02:58
nvm, i invalidated my idea
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 02:58
OK. Let me know if I can help.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 02:58
so i made some weapon selection mistakes in the SM cat, you didnt pull any HQ/character for GK from SM did you?
not the choices, but how they choices are made
tekton
@tekton
Jun 09 2017 02:59
nope, i made all of those a few days ago before those were started really
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 02:59
ok
tanks are up tho
i played guilliman and celestine in a game today. i felt bad. my opponent checked out bottom of three
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 03:01
Did the "repeat" thing get replaced by something in 2.0?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 03:01
the repeat conditional?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 03:02
Here is how to make half of units must be tanks work. You add a Shared Selection Entry called Tank. You then add it to all units that are tanks. Then you.... Ugh idea fell apart. I was going to compare the Instances of "Tank" to the instances of "Unit" but you can't do that. Sorry, it's late.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 03:02
Just make a separate category called "Literally everything NOT tanks" and max 0 selections
and increment for the Tanks
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 03:03
yeah, that is the way.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 03:03
errr, for every choice of tanks in the roster
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 03:07
Do Categories work on entries nested in others?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 03:15
I tried to do it based on Units. Does not seem to work.
Checked to make sure the test items I added were set to Units, but no love.
Whoa, is Quickview totally broken?
All I see in it are rules.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 03:21
Do constraints that count Units work?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 03:24
have to do conditions, but it should, much like doing model count
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 09 2017 03:25
Well, it doesn't seem to register the Tank category I've put on the relevant entry links.
... though I did get the Force to increment the Category correctly based on the constraint.
McChew
@McChew
Jun 09 2017 04:03
Should we be adding Smite to all psykers?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 04:04
Considering that some units that aren't even psykers can cast it, I think it's ubiquitous enough to not be needed, but I could be wrong
tekton
@tekton
Jun 09 2017 04:14
Ok, GK should be ready for review- going to be done for the night; have fun
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 04:14
:+1:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 05:09
someone added an Adeptus Astartes category to the gst :/ time to change all mine
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 05:10
Find and replace is your friend.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 05:10
i hate xml editing. i always seem to corupt the file :/
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 05:11
I think this is a good example of something you can do quickly without much risk.
Just find and replace the ID of your category with the ID of the GST One, then Remove your category or Change that one ID back so that you don't have a conflict..
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 05:14
i know what to do. just never had good experiances
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 05:15
The current data editor is definitely pretty nice by comparison to raw XML
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 05:34
Catching up...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 05:37
sigh… min/max constraints on categories doesnt work :/
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 05:52
Sad face
I've made some comments on the standardisation issue, I think my cat is in pretty good shape so I'm OK with most of it :+1:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 07:16

Currently unmarked:

  • CSM, DG and TS are @cartag 's ,
  • @flakpanda is finishing SMs
  • @penguin20000 SWs,
  • @Thairne is on DAs (HERESY!),
  • @alphalas is on Inq and Astra Militarum
  • @tag8833 has fiddled with Ynnari
  • @FarseerVeraenthis on Craftworlds

How're you guys doing? How close to ticking off in #3737?

penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 09 2017 07:17
2 specific SW datasheets to add. Then the generic marine stuff. Which is mainly single vehicles and nothing too complicated.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 07:18
fucker with that land speeder issue
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 07:18
with autocannon?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 07:18
then submitted new one says missing assault cannon option. it wasnt missing
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 09 2017 07:19
what's the verdict on the new cat standard? Implement ASAP?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 07:19
First we agree on final form
It'd be helpful if everyone reacted to proposals (even with emotes)
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 09 2017 07:20
:)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 07:20
I mean in the issue:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 07:20
i just created a catch all for SM
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 07:21
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In upper right
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 09 2017 07:24
DA: 3 Dataslates left to implement. Then some PL and points to enter, a few personal Q&A passes and rework of entries for conformity.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 07:24
yeah im down to named characters
still like 15 tho, lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 09 2017 07:24
btw if someone is in the GST next time, mind renaming categories in GST that are a faction keyword to Faction: x? Makes it easier to find those, e.g. Faction: Imperium
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 07:29
no :p
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 07:40
Yanarri specific stuff is done, basically need to copy in entries from craftworld, Harlie, dark eldar.
I'm no expert on space elves, so I was hoping one of the authors who is will take the lead on that. Either way, we are waiting on @FarseerVeraenthis to finish Craftworld.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 07:45
yup, sorry about that, I didn't get quite as much done as I was hoping the last couple of days... Exarch weapon selection options take a little time to sort out...
anyway, just the flyers and a couple of heavy support choices to go
once it is complete the original plan was for @USSX-Hares to work some magic to combine them all (Asuryani, Drukhari, Harlequins) together using some wizardry
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 07:46
Excellent.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 07:47
otherwise I could copy and paste them from one to another since the only difference is the loss of keywords in Ynnari
but I'm not always best buddies with the Copy & Paste Fairy
she is a wicked mistress
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 07:48
I know we've still got a handful of WIPs, but how do you guys feel about pushing to appspot, so that the completed ones can start getting used more widely?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 07:49
No. Launch on 17th with edition
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 07:50
Why? I know I'm actively playing 8th. As are the rest of my locals.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 07:50
beta period til then
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 07:52
Ok. I'm certainly in favor of quality control. I just feel bad for all those people dealing with the shitty process of building an 8th list with no tools.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 07:53
theoretically we could get into hot water if we fully released it before we legally had access to the rules <-- bullshit legal rubbish...
I think the only reason for not releasing it is if people are still using 7th ed to build lists
there might be tournaments this wekeend
pehaps
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 07:55
Yeah. There is at least 2 8th Ed tourneys I was invited to.
But correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we planning to release it as its own data set, so that users can pick 7th or 8th to build lists.
I know that is how I have it setup on my phone and PC.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:04
yeah, the idea is to "replace" the 7th ed data with 8th ed data and then to effectively archive the 7th ed data. This means the link to Appspot won't change and so anyone who "auto updates" BS data from appspot will just automatically receive the 8th ed data
and yes, it is possible to have both, but that require some level of IT savvy which (trust me) a lot of users don't have
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 08:05
i though we nixxed the replacement idea?
and where just creating a new pointer for 8th
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:06
well, however it is actually done on github, the result is that BS users who autoupdate through appspot will simply receive the 8th ed data when it goes live
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 08:07
yeah, if we replace. but i thought we decided on a clean slate. @amis92 can chime in since he is the keeper for that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:07
and yes, I think we did decide to just re-point appspot... tbh, that's above my pay-grade so I wasn't paying 100% attention
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 08:08
I've been walking people through getting the beta setup. It is frustrating to do so much handholding. I've even got a guy who works with me as a damn software developer who decided it was too complicated to update bs to alpha then manually download data files.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 08:10
how is that person a software dev then???
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:10
hahahaha!! that is... kinda funny, but kinda scary at the same time
and exactly the reason we wanted a "seamless" end user experience
but, some people might still be using 7th, so until the 17th, pushing 8th to everyone wouldn't be too clever
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:18
also, you have no idea how much crying there will be from elder Aeldari players if an incomplete CAT was received
literally github would melt
not to mention the crying from Space Wolves players
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 08:18
lol
well, we could tag everything [BETA]
and release
kinda of a soft launch
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:20
yeah, then you're back into the realm of people's understanding of what BETA means
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 08:20
this is basic IT shop talk about idiots. i know
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:21
I mean, there's going to be crying anyway, so to a certain extent "why not?", but I'd like to hope there will be less crying if we release a complete dataset on the 17th, than a half and half beforehand
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 08:22
for sure
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 09 2017 08:23
always remember people.
People are sheep.
that are drunk.
and burning.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 08:23
sheeple
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 09 2017 08:23
and they CLICK ON EVERYTING
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:27
and they're also very good at leaving bug reports and not following up
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 08:28
I was thinking only push the files that are complete. Hold back the WIP files.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:29
so every end user who autoupdates will have a mix of 7th ed and 8th ed rules...
cos that sounds horrible
or only push half a repo?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 08:31
im in the new repo new pointer boat
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:32
oh yeah, that's not for discussion, the question here is timing - release what we've got now or wait until the 17th
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 09 2017 08:33
i do not care in that regard, just that if its done before the 17th, it gets a beta tag
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 08:34
agreed :smile:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 09:37
but I still think we should wait until the 17th and then push everything... because everything will be ready by then right?!
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 09:39
Hmm, so can a transport now have multiple units in it? I assume it must otherwise character + a unit wouldn't be able to go in.
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 09 2017 09:42
Yep to transport question
It just states hpw many of what type, the rest is up to you.
*how
Otherwise, good luck filling that new FW Flyer with a hold for 30 ;)
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 09:44
:)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 09:44
I like the idea, should be good
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 09:44
was just cos the chaos index has its own Bastion rules now
can hold 20 models with 10 fire points, thinking it would be a nice place to put 2 units of Havocs
they would get LoS from any part of the bastion
toughness 10, 20 wounds and firing 8 Las shots out of it along with what ever it's own weapons can do
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 09:47
yeah, that sounds pretty nasty
OP OP :cry:
:tongue:
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 09:49
:)
spare 10 capacity to hide things in as needed :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 10:09
Now that Flyers start on the tabletop I'm very glad I didn't buy a Skyshield landing pad
but I do want a Fortress of Redemption
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 10:29
Chiming in on release discussion - first up, please refer to #3721 - I have updated the steps to hopefully make it more clear what will happen. To sum up, we make no release 'till next Friday. Alpha setup may be complicated, but the rage and storm of issues we'll get if we release things not finished - and then with the updates invalidate lists that they've created at large... I don't believe it's worth it. We already have quite a lot of people working on it, both as developers and testers.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 10:35
Also, as a result of this switch, the users that already have 7th ed data downloaded will not have it removed. Those who update from the same appspot link will receive 8th ed data side by side as another game system. Those who have not had any data will only get 8th ed after switch.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 10:49
otherwise, @amis92 that sounds sensible
although, if you reset all revisions to 0, won't that cause grief in BS??
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 11:10
Only for us and testers, but even that can be mitigated if we now change system name to [Alpha] Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition and at release remove the prefix and change gst id.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 09 2017 11:15
ok, dangles are in and up to v2.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 11:18
yay one more ready
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 11:18
righto, well done @Thairne :+1:
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 11:18
@FarseerVeraenthis i own a Skyshield pad but I never used it as anything other than scenery :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 11:20
hahaha, I was thinking of using it to host a Corvus with an assault squad loaded, for a turn 2 strike at fair range
one 7th Ed plan I had was DA CAD (fortification and ob sec) with allied Black Spear Strike Force and just go for it with Deep Strike, locator beacons, the Beacon Angelis - full works to get right UCnP with the enemy
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 09 2017 11:21
@FarseerVeraenthis is anything being done to address the "revision reset and Battlescribe not looking for old revisions"? Or is that part of the magic of what Amis is doing? Because we're changing the root id of the catalog?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 11:22
which, once the DW Codex comes back I hope everyone will get deep strike back, that will be brutal and very fluffy for Deathwatch
@OftKilted yeah, that's what Amis is talking about
@amis92 what exactly does that mean wrt what WE would have to do now to continue working on the files?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 11:24
Uh, what I proposed has a negative side: if we change the name now (prefix with alpha) that will result in "duplicate whatever" in BS for people who do NOT download this updated version before official 8th ed release hits.
I honestly am not sure of the effects, I'll check asap
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 11:32
Ok so it's... complicated (so unexpected!)
What are the setups you guys use to develop the files? Git clone into BattleScribe/data folder, or copy/paste, or import export or what?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 09 2017 11:35
i essentially git clone to the data folder (i use Synctoy to keep the folders updated with each other, because i'm too lazy to manual copy)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 11:44
hmmm... good question. Originally I downloaded the zip and then unpacked it into my BS data folder. Then github desktop fortunately picked it up and I sync and commit through there
right at the star I was really worried I'd cock up the Master but I seem to have avoided that so far
(with 8th Ed at least, there have been previous indescretions...)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 11:47
ok so I think the best way would be to simply change the root Id, but it might (but most probably won't) lead to chaos for testers. We data authors don't use auto-update anyway, and don't stray from purging data when anything smells wrong, so no prob for us I think.
Sooo just for certainty, I'll go ahead and prefix the internal gst name with Alpha. Should resolve most issues ahead of time (but some might see duplicate data after change If they import files internally through battlescribe).
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 11:52
righto, as long as we can just keep sync-ing and it will figure itself out that'll be groovy :smile:
I don't use auto-update on desktop, my mobile is linked to appspot
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 11:56
done
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 11:57
should I expect error messages when I get home?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 09 2017 12:03
No, devs won't feel the change
I think ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 12:10
hahaha!! righto :+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 09 2017 12:26
#3800 well that was quick

"Intromancy details - Details "typo typo tippy tippy" for all powers Should be:"

Really? xD

yes, I was lazy and wanted to type that shit at a later time xD
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 12:42
I'll try to get CSM finished tonight, provided my brain isn't fighting me every step of the way
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 12:42
I'll keep an eye out for when you update and try to help validate it
I was messing with the DG again today and seemed good to me
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 12:42
I just uploaded TS this morning
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 12:43
release version of BS is also adding up the points properly i think now too
ah nice i'll have a tinker with the TS then
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 12:43
thanks for the help! If you find any bugs, can you post it in a thread rather than here? Way easier to reference without scrolling through a day's worth of chatter
errr, in an issue
if I'm online this is great, I can add it right then, but if not... yeah
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 12:43
will do
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 12:44
:+1:
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 12:45
when you say this morning, i assume it's morning around now for u?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 12:46
6:46 AM
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 12:46
ah :)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 12:47
I'm stateside, please don't think less of me since the unwashed masses here elected a megalomaniacal cheeto
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 12:47
I feel like whoever was working on Grey Knights reported it as ready to go in gitter. @Flakpanda can you confirm?
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 09 2017 12:51
At least he's enriching your language, what with words like cofveve...
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 12:51
lol
Well we (as in here in the UK) just managed to fuck up another election
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 12:51
Somebody needs to kick him in the covfefe...
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 12:51
spotted a couple of issues in with TS on initial faffing with it
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 13:01
popped em into a post in the issues section; probably very minor problems.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 13:16
Resolved, and updated
Exalteds and Scarab Terms were set to hidden, Magnus fixed, Ahriman on disc should have been max 0 if instance of Ahriman not on disc
all resolved.
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 13:17
lol that was quick :)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 13:18
Thought I'd get them corrected before I leave or work
ofr work
for work
fuck I can't type today
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 13:19
heh
James
@miproductions
Jun 09 2017 13:54
ouch I should really ventilate my workshop, I smell like white spirit
tekton
@tekton
Jun 09 2017 13:55
@tag8833 GK should be ready, yes; I can take another pass since I found some weird things last night and fixed them
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 09 2017 14:10
@miproductions you spelled "teen" wrong :P
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 14:15
@tekton I'm updating the Tracking issue #3737
That leaves us with AM, CSM, Craftworld, INQ, SM, SW, and Ynnari outstanding.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 14:17
I still hope Craftworld CAT will be finished this weekend
I think we're down to about 10 datasheets to go, mainly single units like the flyers so hopefully it won't take too much more effort :+1:
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 14:20
If I recall the gitter chatter, I think CSM, CW, SM, and SW are all on a similar schedule. Ynnari is waiting on CW. So just AM, and INQ that we really need to worry about, I think.
@Szeras How is Inquisition doing?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 14:23
I should be able to get CSM done tonight, provided my brain plays nice
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 09 2017 14:23
Hoping to have SW finsihed this weekend too. 1 SW sheet left. Then it's the generic SM stuff, like the vehicles etc. Quite a few of which already have the profiles for
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 09 2017 14:25
you can just copy them out of SM/BA/DA
would probably be fastest
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 15:27
@/all just a point to note about wound tracks, I previously suggested just using 1.//2.//3. <-- this doesn't work if you view the output with summary profiles, because it will only show one set of wound track figures, even if there are different ones in the file
as such, I suggest renaming to include the model name, as previously suggested but someone else... so, Wraithlord 1. // Wraithlord 2. // Wraithlord 3. for example
which makes me a bit sad because I have to redo all of mine but better to grab it now than later...
McChew
@McChew
Jun 09 2017 15:49
Is there a way to format the roster view so that abilities are shown after unit stats and weapons?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 09 2017 15:49
yes, but it's not pretty. It has been discussed before and we've decided that for the time being we'd leave it as it is
oh, btw, @amis92 no error messages for me :smile:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 17:17
@McChew there is - but this way ensures that abilities don't get lost in the output if someone strips down the show options
Here's a good question for everyone- Valkyries - they say they're armed with hellstrike missiles - do they get 1 shot per turn of 2? Im leaning 1 simply due to wording - discuss
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 09 2017 17:49
heavy 1 = 1 shot
i dont see how that could be misinterpreted
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 09 2017 18:31
Do they have 2
Or just "armed with hellstrike missiles"
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 18:33
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 09 2017 18:34
Yep. Just 1
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 09 2017 18:42
they used to have 2, but they were one use only
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 18:43
Lots of things are changing in that way. I'm kinda kicking myself for magnetizing all of my tentaclids.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 09 2017 18:43
oh yeah, no longer single use :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 20:36
Looks like we might have 2 recruits incoming from my local area to help
One is the one I just commented on
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 09 2017 20:43
Fresh meat
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 20:44
Yup
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 09 2017 20:59
Heh, according to the index file SW Skyclaws don't have Jump Packs, it's not listed in their equipment despite them having the keyword
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 21:22
LOL. Kinda like how Eldar Rangers had jetbikes according to the digital version of the eldar Codex?
ShadowsofVanity
@ShadowsofVanity_twitter
Jun 09 2017 21:22
Grey Knight Paladin Ancients are registered as having two Nemesis Falchions without modification, which throws a 'too many' error, but you can't change their equipment
un;less that was changed since last night, haven't updated yet today
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 09 2017 21:25
Well in this case they should most definitely have Jump Packs
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 21:27
Did a game of 8th earlier, my Chaos (I ran them as Black Legion fronted by Abaddon) against a friends AdMech/CultMechanicum/Skitarii etc
i flattened him
but we'd done the lists based on hitting 150 power points
so we were bored just now and worked out how many points the lists were and mines come in at 900 points more than his....
he must have fucked up
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 21:36
You can Min/max PL so easily if you want to. They don't account for upgrades, and don't really count squad size very well. For instance, a Trukk can hold 12 models. So frequently you make a unit of boyz 11 boyz + a nob. That is twice as many PL as 9 boyz and a Nob.
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 21:37
aye
i took upgrades i'd never pay for
my list has come in at 3062 points for the 150pl
he initially thought his list was 2088 points so he must have mis-calced
he's re-done it and now its 2963
morel ike it
more like^
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 21:39
that sounds reasonable
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 21:44
I am so Confused why GW is calling PL "Narrative" play. They suck for narrative play. They are for casual play, and beginners.
I mean you can play a casual narrative single game, but your average narrative campaign is so much better off with points.
If you try to run a narrative campaign with power levels it would disintegrate into "WAAC" name calling, and not make it very long.
They would work in a competitive tourney situation where everyone is gaming them, it just seems like completely the wrong target market for the usage of them to me.
I know I'll use them every time I do "Learning Games", and when I play against Casual Garagehammer types, I will game them against myself so my list is less powerful, but they should just have pitched them as "Casual" instead of "narrative" Nothing wrong with a casual game.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 21:45
it's because the community (or at least is seems)"Narrative" players are "casual" players.
i thimk part of the issue is the stigma of "filthy casuals" in most gaming cycles, including VGs.
tekton
@tekton
Jun 09 2017 21:50
@ShadowsofVanity_twitter that was fixed this morning, as was a lot with Paladins and a couple other squads
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 21:52
Not really
you're misusing the term casual
casual doesn't mean unskilled, and it doesn't mean someone who cant handle complexity
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 21:53

I kinda get it. My last game of 7th. Local stoner wants someone to teach him to play. I schedule a game. He says he wants to bring all of his models. It's really important we play at 3,000 points. Then he whines he wants to bring 47 extra points. I actually had already built my list 500 points light, so I told him "No problem" I show up. He doesn't. says he thought it was a different day, despite me checking in with him that morning. We reschedule. I show up. He is over an hour late because he was asleep.

I was thinking "Filthy Casual" the whole time. but it wasn't because "Casual" play is a bad thing. It's because he wasn't committed enough to show up on time. We get those types at our tourneys all the time. Trying to show up 2 hours late, then playing one game and wondering off.

James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 21:53
it just means someone who plays irregularly and/or doesnt go full on for the competitive play
PL is to get new players into the game
for anyone else, points are better
we just used PL today cos we don't have actual books yet and working out the points (with the new way everything has to be costed in) using dodgy photos was going to be a pain :)
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 21:58
Yeah, I think Everyone is using PL right now while they wait for BS to go live. I think that is a little bit part of GW's plan. They made PL really easy, and Points hard to calculate out of the book, so that everyone would start out using PL's.
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 21:58
yeh
The game played ok but as much as they have tried to simplify things, they have made some stuff a pain in the arse
an entire extra layer of dice rolling to do and keep track, due to Damage
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 21:59
Combat pile ins are a mess. Kinda like Line of sight was in 7th.
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 21:59
having to do a lot of rolls 1 by 1 due to the D3 or D6 damage rolls not spilling over
yeh pile ins are odd as feck now
and you can do some odd looking shinanigans to keep units in range of auras while they charge
I can confirm... Heldrakes.. are mint :)
Havocs are still great
Helbrutes are REALLY good now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:01
good
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:01
oh the other thing
vehicles exploding, i think is over the top now
at one point i used a rhino to charge and eat some over watch
i was then going to charge a brute in
i was charging 2 kastelan robots
but there were 2 or 3 other units near by
overwatch killed the rhino and i rolled a 6
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:03
it is kinda ridiculous - i played a game with a custodes VLR that blew up and killed practically EVERYTHING in 6"
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:03
it almost killed my brute, wiped out 2 of his units, killed a robot
the robot then exploded
cos they do that now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:03
yup
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:03
and it killed the other robot
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:04
nice lol
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:04
then i rolled a 6 on my brutes crazed :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:04
lmao awesome
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:04
which killed his walker thing (2 legged thing)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:05
chickenwalker?
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:05
sadly, that one did not explode
yeh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:05
nice
i'm kinda excited to run my DCO and Sang Guard and beat shit up
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:06
:)
there a whole lot of re-learning our armies needed
a lot of specialised weapons have been repurposed
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 22:07
I'm looking foward to that.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:07
yeah - like now plasma isn't actually something i want to avoid.
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:07
the friend i played against had issues because things like those tracked heavy haywire things.... are now crap at killing vehicles
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 22:07
It's the part of wargaming I like best, figuring out how an army works, and how to play it effectively
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:08
so its working out where these changed weapons fit in
yeh Plasma is awesome now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:08
i will say this - harlequins and their voidweavers are pretty legit now.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 22:08
As long as you don't ever run plasma cannon sponsons on a lemun russ.
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:08
he had 3 units of .. i forget their name but they're droid looking guys on tracks
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 09 2017 22:08
Kataphran destroyers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:08
kataphrons
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:08
in 7th, it was a unit with Grav, a unit with blast 2 shot Plasma and a unit of Haywire
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 09 2017 22:09
like combi-meltas aren't my go-to combi anymore and it's ok.
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:09
both the grav and haywire that were relatively specific in their use are now like... middle of the road "ok" vs most things but not great against anything
but the Plasma are awesome
altho he did overcharge them on one turn and 2 of them died to 1's
i forgot so many things tho
i forgot my 3 helbrutes had heavy flamers
i forgot.... about Death to the False Eporer
vs an entirely imperium army too
Emperor^
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:14
plus a bunch of other stuff
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 22:49
Who switched lightning claws back to change the points if there are more than 1?
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 22:57
Twosn't me. On a side note, I was just fettling a 3k points TS list and everything seems to be working spot on :)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:00
:+1: good to hear
What was your list?
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:01
I was seeing if i could fit the brigade detachment in at 3k for the +9 cp.
2 5 man units of rubrics (1 unit have flamers)then 4 min units of cultists
2 x 5 man^
not 25 man :)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:02
I'm guessing no land raider or predator
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:02
no
3 units of scarab termies
with canons and missiles
3 exalted sorcs, can block a unit of termies around each sorc and the sorc confers rerolled saves of 1
3 units of 1 spawn for fast attack
3 maulerfiends :) cos why not
couple of rhinos for the rubrics
and magnus
i would think... the list would suck. but I often try to make shit lists and end up winning anyway
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:05
psykers are great in this
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:05
yeh
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:05
I've played two games of 8th, Khorne vs 1kS, and I've lost both
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:05
ah
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:05
took down the GBS in one round
it was frightening
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:05
just the 1 game for me, today, 150pl of CSM (i ran them as Black Legion with Abaddon) vs CultMech/Admech/Skitarii
i had this plan of DS'ing some Warptalons and Abaddon down, making a 9 inch charge and smashing something with Abaddon giving the Talons re-rolled hits and the talons having rerolled wounds
i failed the charge
and in the friends first turn he 1 shot the entire unit of talons
with some catephron (spelling) plasma guys
tekton
@tekton
Jun 09 2017 23:23
the Kataphron Destroyers do pack in the hurt with their multiple shots per model
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:23
yeh
tekton
@tekton
Jun 09 2017 23:23
i may have to break down and finally get some for my admech armies...
the skitarii as troops are awesome, but a little fragile I've been finding
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:25
stuff being toughness 3 makes a big difference with all the str 4 and higher weapons about
tekton
@tekton
Jun 09 2017 23:25
very, very true
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:28
I think my five are ready
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:31
csm ready to poke at?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:31
Rip it to shreds, just make a new issue thread with checkboxes so I can track my progress lol
if you do [ ] in the start of a line when making an issue, it will make it a checkbox
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:31
oki, i'll tinker with it now, initially not seeing Abaddon in the HQ list :)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:32
...
I hate you. lol
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:32
lol
i'll leave other comments for a post if i find anything ;)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:32
wtf he should be....
he's set to hidden, goddamnit
Lucious is missing
Lucius
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:33
have you changed it so we dont do a Legion selection now?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:33
Don't have to now
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:33
ah
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:34
there's not enough different stuff right now to justify. DG and TS are their own file
/shrug
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:34
yeh
well you can freely mix legions within a detachment, within the rules
so this way probably makes it simpler anyway
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:34
I really hope GW expands and does WE and EC as separate armies
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:34
it's so sad just how quick Traitor Legions was made obsolete
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:35
well, WE anyway along with DG and TS, EC can go outside and play hide and go fuck themselves
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:35
the legions book had some really nice fleshed out armies
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:35
I think there will be something even better in 8th
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:35
hope so
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:44
well so far from general quick once overs of the units, not seeing anything major just yet (i'll notice more when i make an actual list if there is anything) but Terminators appear to have no Mark option (and thus no Icons)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:48
new build up
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:48
sorry, also just noticed CSM champ seems to have 2 bolguns
by default i mean
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:48
it's a one or none by default kind of thing
fuck it, I'm redoing it.
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:49
it displayed as a numeric up/down thing with 2, when i clicked it down to 1 it switched to a checkbox
im recreating my list from todays game because i calculated the points already, so i should see any errors
cartag
@cartag
Jun 09 2017 23:51
fixed again
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:51
:)
James
@skonk
Jun 09 2017 23:57
Havoc Launcher on a Rhino is showing no cost but I think they're supposed to be 11 points (unless I've missed something)
Vehicles can take Marks too; but they don't really do anything so not sure if theres much point adding support for that.
ShadowsofVanity
@ShadowsofVanity_twitter
Jun 09 2017 23:59
vehicles taking marks just means that they get the keyword of <insert dark god here> so that they get the bonuses for that dark god