These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

14th
Jun 2017
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 14 2017 01:01
I'll be Taking my Scions out for their 1st game of 8th on Friday. I'm hoping the IG cat is close enough I can use it to build my list.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 01:24
Probably - M4uler did a decent job getting everything done - but he didn't purge 6/7e stuff first so I'm copy-pasting from his to mine
And he made SSEGs but didn't use all of them so I'm implementing what he forgot
GitArdnutz
@GitArdnutz
Jun 14 2017 03:52
Anyone know if @flakpanda could use a hand with the SM files?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 14 2017 04:17
im fine @GitArdnutz. i plan on doing the final bit on thursday when im off
GitArdnutz
@GitArdnutz
Jun 14 2017 04:39
Sweet :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 14 2017 05:20
@amis92 I didn't realise there was a new build, BS hasn't auto updated itself... Either way, initially I downloaded the zip, unpacked into a data folder, linked with github and then git takes care of all my updates...
On mine it is kind of in alphabetical order, but not 100%... Also, I modified the name of the Craftworld CAT inside the cat, but not the filename, because I wasn't certain of the correct way to do it without messing up everyone's repo...
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 14 2017 06:33
@alphalas All the SSEGs got used AFAIK but because there's a variance in what units can take what from which lists (Russ hull weapons vs Chimera hull weapons or IG officers vs MT officers) I often just copied the SSEG to that unit's entry so it was easier to customise rather than implement a load of modifiers to hide stuff
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 14 2017 08:23
What's the proper way of reporting/dealing with spelling mistakes you come across in cats?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 08:25
Report in an issue, that's required
You can then fix and submit pull request if that cat is already ready for validation per #3737
In the commit fixing the issue mention the issue being fixed by number with # prefix
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 14 2017 08:27
I see. Just seemed a bit excessive for adding one letter :D
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 08:27
pull requests hurt nobody, but don't merge till you're sure the main author of the file agrees or has been silent here and not committed a thing for a week or so
Yeah for that case better "bundle" it with other things you see
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 14 2017 08:28
yeah, would be nice if there was some way of collecting minor issues like that
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 08:28
Note it for yourself, I'm pretty sure it won't take an hour to find another. Two is twice as many, worth an issue
:D
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 14 2017 08:29
heh, fair enough
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 08:30
I've invited you to give you write access https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/invitations
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 14 2017 08:31
Thank you. Sorry for beeing inactive for some days btw - work and weather got the better of me
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 08:32
Now you don't have to make a Pull Request for every change - but it's a better idea in busy times like these, unless you're talking about a change to the cat you've authored
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 14 2017 08:35
yeah, had some issues with overlapping pulls reqs - working directly on the branch would be asking for trouble
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 08:35
yup :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 09:17
@amis92 I should be able to get am done today
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 09:18
Cool. I'm actually only worried about Ynnari, they seem to be staled.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 14 2017 11:16
I don't mind taking a look at the Ynnari, what needs doing?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 11:41
Oh, just about everything except heroes :D
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 14 2017 11:55

Wouldn't the new BS keyword compatibility allow the other Eldar to just be added into a roster so all the Ynnari file needs is the Characters and rules?

I can see how you'd want those rules to replace those of the other Eldar though...

Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 11:58
Yeah well... It'd require a lot of fiddling with modifiers, conditions etc and we'd have to work out how to select which faction is the faction of the detachment.
We really want to make 8th ed as clean and separate as possible.
James
@skonk
Jun 14 2017 12:11
What would be nice is if BS just read in all cat files in the data folder for the selected game system and then presented a massive list box containing the whole lot which you could then filter by keyword or by typing a search in. So all cat files can be broken down into small manageable chunks and when you add a detachment and select a faction keyword it just auto filtered the list to just show those keywords, with the user being able to filter it down even more.
no need to build lists with multiple nested detachments and all that then
James
@skonk
Jun 14 2017 12:16
if someone were to write a list builder app from the ground up now the keyword system would probably make it quite easy to implement.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 12:18
Well, GW will sure give us an alternative - but when it comes to BS, we have to work with what we've got.
James
@skonk
Jun 14 2017 12:19
aye
BS is trying to be something that can be used for all sort of game systems (existing or otherwise) which inevitably means it won't always be the most intuitive for some use cases.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 14 2017 12:43
wrt Ynnari, @USSX-Hares will create it by combining all three other Eldar CAT's into one. This is scheduled for tomorrow, ready for release on Saturday...
the reason for the delay is that we've been waiting to squash some of the bugs in the other CAT's prior to effectively "duplicating" them into the new Ynnari CAT
hopefully this way there will be a minimum of duplicated bugs
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 12:50
Alright, I just haven't seen @USSX-Hares 's active lately and was scared he drifted off
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 14 2017 12:54
we've had a couple of private messages on Gitter, and he's made some comments on github, seems his Harlequin Codex did not have many bugs in it in the first place, so not much "work" to do...
on that note, I think Harlequins are done, Carftworlds I thought was done but apparently there are a couple of bugs in the psychic powers, and Drukhari just needs confirmation that the squashing of bugs has been completed. all in, you could make a Drukhari list now using the multi-faction detachment ability in BS, but it wouldn't "remove" the army special rules such as ancient doom and so on and strength from death would not be added either.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 13:28

you could make a Drukhari list now using the multi-faction detachment ability in BS

was that meant to be Ynnari?

Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 14 2017 13:42
hahaha! yes :sheep:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 16:19
I've updated #3737 with "catch-all" issue refs for catalogues - feel free to modify if I've overeagerly referenced something, or you don't want a catch-all for the cat.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 14 2017 16:26
Good idea.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 14 2017 16:27
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 16:41
Sounds good
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 14 2017 17:48
could someone else check Celestine's geminae superia for #3877, works fine for me on windows
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 18:37
works on PC for me too
and ios
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 14 2017 18:42
OK on android (all I can check atm)
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 14 2017 19:19
@alphalas you okay for me to pick up #3854 and #3875 ?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 19:20
go for it.
i'm just uploading @M4uler's version of AM up for now - I ran into issues with broken links on mine.
i'll fix it later - it's good enough for now.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 14 2017 19:24
Which links mate; I'll take a look tonight but it was working fine for me
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 19:24
just don't worry about it dude
i got it.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 14 2017 19:25
I'm out at the mo but I think I last worked on it using v2. 01.88?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 19:25
I'm good
just don't worry man.
i got this.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 19:34
@CloverFox i just did a name-change btw on aMin
@amis92 i just put up a build of AM to make it functional
@M4uler don't do anything to AM - i'm still working on it local.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 14 2017 19:44
I avoid Github, it gives gives me an eye twitch! Righto man, just happy to help TBH
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 14 2017 19:45
thanks for the heads up, whilst I'm at it I'll fix the double space issue
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 19:46
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 19:53
@M4uler you did save me a lot of typing - so you did help a lot
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 14 2017 19:58
Magnificent. Typing I can do and pretty well!
tekton
@tekton
Jun 14 2017 20:54
Given all the issues I've had typing is not something I do well...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 14 2017 21:09
@amis92 when exactly do you plan to freeze the repo?? Tomorrow night (Thursday) or Friday night??
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 14 2017 21:12
or Friday morning :)
(gives me chance to do some stuff tomorrow might if needed)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 14 2017 21:13
well, also depends whose night we're talking about and exactly which day "today" is when he posted on #3737 12 hours ago...
anyway, sleepy time for me :smile:
all Aeldari CAT's are done, ready to be merged into Ynnari, I've asked @USSX-Hares to get on it so that should be completed in time for the deadline
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 14 2017 21:39
Can someone tell me if Bolt Pistols are collective in the GST?
I is on mobile :p
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 14 2017 22:25
think they are
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2017 22:50
Hey y'all never been on gitter before, so forgive me if I break protocol or something
@alphalas directed me to here to discuss an issue with the Adeptus Ministorum file
Also...is there some sort of guide to properly editing a .cat file? I would love to contribute more than just verifying, but I really don't want to jack anything up.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 14 2017 22:59
We setup "Keepers" who are in charge of each Cat file. If you want to modify one, the best approach is to tag the keeper here, and tell them what you want to do. Here is the keeper list: https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/wiki/Catalogue-Keepers
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2017 22:59
no real guides i dont think, all of us here are self-taught as far as i know
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2017 22:59
Excellent, thanks for the info
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 14 2017 22:59
We do have some implementation guidelines for our 8th ed files: BSData/wh40k#3791
Gitter is pretty open chat. The foremost purpose of it is to coordinate updates to files, and to help each other debug issues with their files, but if you scroll back, you find there isn't too much protocol to it.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2017 23:03
Right on, I'm an old-school IRC vet and I learned a long time ago to not just wander into a new channel and start blathering on :)
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 14 2017 23:08
:+1:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 23:20
@FarseerVeraenthis The plan I had was to freeze it Thursday 18-20:00 UTC, but might as well do it Friday 08-09:00 UTC
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 23:21
@CrusherJoe @CloverFox was working on on aMin - I only did a name change of the file
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 23:21
Mind you the freeze is temporary, hopefully up to 2hrs
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 14 2017 23:27
@amis92 utc is +/- gmt?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 23:27
yeah, close
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 14 2017 23:27
How much?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2017 23:27
theyre the same
effectively
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 14 2017 23:28
Oh
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 23:28
yeah just semantics
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 14 2017 23:28
Didn't know that
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 23:28
UTC is not a local time zone
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2017 23:28
its currently 23:30 UTC
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2017 23:28
GMT is local for UK
(except DST)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2017 23:28
Don't get me started on the idiocy of DST...ugh.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2017 23:29
right there with you :D
we should be UTC+1 all year
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 14 2017 23:30
Lol, yeah I'm cdt right now
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2017 23:30
Lucky you
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 14 2017 23:31
Why? I hate switching
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2017 23:32
Oh wait...CDT. For some reason I got CDT and CST mixed up in my head. CDT is the devil and should be abolished for the abomination it is.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2017 23:54
Yeah EDT is dumb too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2017 23:57
anyone editing the GST atm?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 14 2017 23:58
nope