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15th
Jun 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 00:00
@crusherjoe @cloverfox or @M4uler if any of you three want to tackle #3886, #3884, or #3882, go for it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 00:00
:D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 00:00
I'm down for the count with strep (again)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 00:01
that sucks man, hope you're back in the fight soon!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 00:01
@cloverfox you're taking care of #3875 and #3854 yes?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 00:01
I'm just finishing up the AdMin bugs, if those other bugs are still up tomoz i'll take a look
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 00:02
I'm closing #3877 now - I can't reproduce
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 00:02
yeah, working on #3875 and #3854 atm
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 00:04
there's nothing odd with the logic on the Geminias, just a straight up add 50 points per entry, dare i say it might be a bug in BS itself?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 00:04
Maybe a version error
Idk
Either way not our problem currently
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 00:07

Added

Units SHOULD be implemented in such a way that when adding unit to roster, it is a valid choice (no errors/warnings raised) and also resembles as close as possible the choice as presented by default in unit's datasheet.

in #3791 - looks good?

I feel like I've made some grammar weirdness here.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2017 00:08
@alphalas Let me look at those and see if I can actually do some good. :)
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 00:10
at some point i need to action "Gst MUST NOT contain shared wargear entries", i think that's what caused #3875
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 00:11
if you're not astartes, you should have local copies of all of that
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 00:11
@alphalas @CloverFox I've commented on #3877 - it's possibly BS bug I've seen before
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 00:19
am i missing something, or does the categories option on the roster viewer not do anything?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 15 2017 00:19
Jon still needs to get them to output
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2017 00:20
@alphalas #3886 #3884 and #3882 have been corrected locally. Should I upload them?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 00:24
he gave you permission earlier, so go for it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2017 00:26
....and suddenly I realize I've never done this before in this repo LOL. How should I upload them? (wow, now I sound like an idiot)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 00:27
if you're not a member of the repo, you'll have to fork it, upload them to your fork, then submit a pull request
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 15 2017 00:28
Haha, I'm glad it's not just me, Joe :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2017 00:41
Yeah I forked already, just wanted to make sure. :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2017 00:55
Okay, if I've done it all right, there's a pull request with my 3 commits in it waiting to be merged
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 01:39
:+1:
Thanks man
Having strep sucks dick
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2017 01:39
Yes. Yes it does. Glad to help out, honestly!
Also I hope you get to feeling better...strep is pure misery.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 01:53
Indeed
I'm glad I caught it early - last time I suffered for 3 days before I realized it was strep
Symptoms stated early this morning so the fact I'm already taking antibiotics is a good thing
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 01:55
All five of my files are done I think
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 02:00
Looks like mine are done too thanks to everyone's help
@FarseerVeraenthis iirc @amis92 is in Espania
ShadowsofVanity
@ShadowsofVanity_twitter
Jun 15 2017 02:26
alright so when I try to print sometiems stuff gets lost between pages, anyway to avoid it?
I dont think I lose anything important, but I want to make sure of it lol
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 02:29
Make sure you're using the right size of paper?
cartag @cartag runs
ShadowsofVanity
@ShadowsofVanity_twitter
Jun 15 2017 02:30
yeah its legal sized, the basic sized paper. I'll lose a sentance here or there at the end of a rule description or something, is there a way to adjust how the roster boxes print out in Battlescribe?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 02:31
if you're in the US, Legal size is not basic sized paper... normal sheets are 8.5"x11", legal is 8.5"x14"
ShadowsofVanity
@ShadowsofVanity_twitter
Jun 15 2017 02:33
alright so I am using normal sheets then.hmm maybe its all in my head lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 02:48
if you know anything about css, you can save the roster as html and manually edit the stylesheet
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 02:49
so i thought we disguessed this… but why are there collective entries in the gst? bolt pistols were not and now are.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 02:50
likely because they are equipment used almost exclusively in units with multiple models that have them.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 02:51
Well i thought we agreed on no collective entries in the gst, or at least making two entries for those we wanted as such. Also, not so in SM. Many units can but dont have to take bolt pistols on a model by model basis
ie veterans
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 02:52
so make a non-collective one
while you're at it, if there's nothing showing command points (Batallion Detachment +3 CP) on the root force, we could rename them to have it... if you're going to get in the GST that is
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 02:58
yes @cartag?:
Screen Shot 2017-06-14 at 9.57.54 PM.png
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 02:58
I haven't pulled a new GST for a while
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 02:58
i just did this
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 02:58
ah
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 02:59
but thats what you meant, correct?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 02:59
:+1:
yup, that's it
Since there's no real way to count CP in BS, it's an easy way to show as basic reference
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 03:01
yeah
also just uploaded it if you want to sync
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 03:05
:+1:
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 03:12
Comment on B&C: "Real Chaos Space Marines prefer to ride in vehicles that they hope will pick a fight with them!"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 03:17
いぐえっs
oops
i guess
im always torn with rubrics in transports
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 03:18
¯_(ツ)_/¯
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 03:18
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 03:18
^ that
lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 03:19
you gotta do x3 \\
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
i like text replacement feature :p
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 04:05
Let's talk Naming Conventions. While I'm fixing a typo in the Ork Cat should I rename it?
If so, should it be Xenos - Orks or Xenos 2 - Orks or what?
ShadowsofVanity
@ShadowsofVanity_twitter
Jun 15 2017 04:06
I would say book they are in and race, yes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 04:06
i think imp and chaos are only doing that because they share a faction
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 04:06
I would say no
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 04:06
there is no "xenos" faction
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 04:06
now if you did the various Eldar ones with an overarching name before a hyphen, go for it
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 04:06
I agree. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one that felt that way.
ShadowsofVanity
@ShadowsofVanity_twitter
Jun 15 2017 04:07
but thats the book that they are in @Wlhelm, thus the suggestion
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 04:07
The book they are in is stupid though, would you expect the imperium ones listed separate as well?
ShadowsofVanity
@ShadowsofVanity_twitter
Jun 15 2017 04:08
I dont see any issue with saying Imperium 2-Adeptus Mechanicus. Its in the Imperium Two book, they are the Adeptus Mechanicus
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 04:08
And you're looking at it incredibly short sightedly
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 04:09
i feel like the book they are in is irrelevant at that stage of roster building, rather than any common factions
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 04:09
^
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 04:09
There is a place for book.
ShadowsofVanity
@ShadowsofVanity_twitter
Jun 15 2017 04:09
shrugs he asked, I gave my opinion, you guys gave yours
I suppose he will decide from there
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 04:09
We're not going to care what book they are in a year when we have other files available
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 04:09
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Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 04:10
and we're discussing it so we have an informed decision, its nothing personal :P
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:39
a day earlier then i thought id do it :+1: but Space Marines are ready for v1 validation
@/all Space Marines are ready for there first true beating. comment on #3797 for bugs.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:42
Whoo! All that is left is ynarri.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:43
its 3 models, what is the hold up?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:43
The 3 models are all done. I did them a while back. But they plan to copy and past all of the units from Craftworld, Dark Eldar, and Harlie
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:44
so an Aeldari catalog?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:44
Basically.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 05:45
Also, we did previously discuss renaming the files (and therefore changing the name in the files) to try and sort by "category" I.e "imperium - Deathwatch" as shown above, I adjusted the craftworld CAT to "xenos - craftworld " but I didn't know the correct procedure to rename the CAT on the repo. Are we not bothering to rename anything other than imperium and chaos now??
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:46
I would rename them all with “<top-level faction> - <faction>"
so yes, xenos too
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:46
My 2 cents is that you should rename Craftworld to "Aeldari - Craftworld"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 05:47
That would be good, then they'll be at the top, like they should be :-P
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:47
It doesn't really make sense for Orks and Craftworld to have the same prefix, but it makes a ton of sense of Ynarii, Harlies, and Craftworld to have the same prefix.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:47
if we are moving those 4 into one cat, it needs to be done by friday night
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 05:48
Yup, hopefully it should all be taken care of by then :+1:
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:48
I don't think they are moving them, more like copying selected entries. Much like Blood Angels to Space Marines. Many units are copy are shared.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:49
I almost think its should be the 4 seperate cats with “Aeldari - XXX"
same as imperium and chaos
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 05:49
Ok, so all individual Aeldari cats will stay, but ynnarii can be everything, so they will be copied and pasted in, then the wrong bits stripped out
And that's cool
Are we going to prefix anything else?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:50
No, Ynnarii is its own faction. its one of the four cats
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:50
I wonder if the Marine varients shouldn't get a 2nd prefix
Imperium - AA - Space Marines
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:51
no, no need to make it more complicated
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:51
Imperium - AA - Blood Angels.
OK
What about Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves
Rather than using the Imperium prefix?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 05:52
I don't think they're quite that far away from imperium are they...?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:53
No, top level works better. Also quite a few catalogs need the prefix rename
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:53
It's more that Imperium got crowded
IMO at least.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:53
i mean, it is like half of all the factions
is what it is
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 05:53
We prefix it with Spesh mehreens?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:54
well like BA, DA, GK, QI, SW need the imperium prefix
idk who the authors are for those
and CE, DE, Har, Ynn need the Aeldari prefix
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:55
I play Inquisition + MT + Assassins. Sometimes I add in Blood angels.
So many of the Imperial 2 book factions are little micro factions that can't function on their own.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:55
^
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 05:56
Which is great, how does one change the filename on the repo without causing grief?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:56
if someone is working on them, you dont. it will cause a conflict
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 05:56
You upload a file with the new name, then delete the file with the old one.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 05:57
I mean everyone has checked off validations for everything now in the tracking issue
in fact, @amis92 can do the repo switch today like he originally planned now
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:00
@USSX-Hares is based in Russia, he should be doing the Ynnarii CAT today somewhen so, later the better to give him time to complete the merge
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:01
but thats what im trying to say, we shouldnt need the merger. just prefix those 4 cats with “Aeldari” like chaos and imperium
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:04
I'm obviously not explaining myself... The plan is to create the Ynnarii CAT by merging the other three into it instead of copy pasting. The other three are still going to standalone, I'm just talking about creating the Ynnarii CAT the quickest easiest way since it is basically everything bashed into one....
So there will still be 4 Eldar cats
They will still be separate
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:05
The challenge is several rules and abilities change when a unit that was Craftworld becomes Ynarii
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:05
But according to @USSX-Hares he had a way to combine them that is better than just copy pasting...
Erm, they don't change, they are removed and replaced with strength from death for infantry and bikers
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:07
I still think a Shared Selection entry with "Craftworld" as the default selection, and that contains the Craftworld specific rules, and "Ynarrii as an alternative selection that contains the Ynarri rules would be better than maintaining duplicate profiles.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:09
I don't know, yes it might be easier to maintain but an arse to setup correctly
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:09
first, the ynnarii faction is 3 models @FarseerVeraenthis thats why im wasnt following. all 4 factions together are aeldari. second, why merge them if there is a way to take multiple faction per detachment now
it would be easiler to maintain as well
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:10
All good points, the main reason (I think) is to reduce modifiers on units
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:10
modifiers in what way?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:10
Tbh I don't remember why exactly we decided to do it like this...
To change the fules
Rules
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:11
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No Modifiers needed. Just link to a shared selection entry like that.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:11
Ah, yes, a ynnarii army is all or nothibg
Of everything in the craftworld cat needs to change from having ancient Doom and battle focus to having nothibg
And then infantry and bikers gain strength from death
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:14
I just read Army of the Reborn...
i understand why @USSX-Hares what to copy things into the Ynnari cat
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:16
Thank you, I thought I was going crazy for a minute then!
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:16
So I might not be reading it right
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:16
reading what?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:16
You can still mix and match units in the same detachment based on the Aeldari tag, right?
Like these Jetbikers are Ynarii and these Jetbikes are Craftworld, and they are both in the same spearhead detachment.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:17
correct. so realistically you could have 2 units of eldar guardians lets say
one could be aeldari craft world and get all the craftworld buffs...
but the other could be aledari ynnari, lose the craftworld buffs, and gain the ynnari buffs
your jetbike example is also correct
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:20
So, sounds to me like you just need 2 shared selection entries per Cat. Like this:
image.png
Just link to the appropriate one in each unit.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:21
no
just leave the craftworld dark eldar and harliquin cats as is
and in the ynnari cat you will have removed the appropriate entries and add the ynnari ones in
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:23
What am I missing?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:24
are you still not understanding?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:25
yeah, I still don't see why it couldn't be accomplished easier with a shared selection group entry like my example.
I'm not saying you have to do it my way, I'm just feeling like I'm missing some flaw in my suggestion.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:26
so you would add those faction choice trees to EVERY entry in CE, DE, and Har?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:27
Just a link to them, yeah. It would basically just replace the link to the faction rules like "Battle Focus".
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:28
So from an end user perspective what sounds easier:
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:29
From an end user perspective it sound easier to have exactly 1 imperium Cat. We aren't trying to do that.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:29
adding 4 differant fations to my roster and after picking which units i want to play with, going to every one and changing their factions. or...
adding just one faction, Ynnari, and selecting what i want to play with
not really. imperium is very bloated when you have it all together
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:30
Well, since you only lose stuff for non infantry/bike stuff, you are probably going to want to mix Yanarii with other Aeldari a bunch, right?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:31
its all infantry and bikes for ynnari. so only vehicles and monsters are unaffected
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:31
You are building a list without any Ynarri characters. So you start craftworld, and decide your 3 units of windriders should be ynarii. So that is just one faction.
The only time anyone would ever need to include the ynarri cat is if they want one of the 3 chars.
Otherwise they work out of one or more of the other Aeldari cats.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:39
ok, in that scenario i can understand the need for the faction selection. but in the more common scenario i believe, you would be making a Ynnari army list. you now have to do what i said earlier
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:40
Yeah, army of the reborn means everything loses their army rules and only infantry and bikers get strength from death
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:40
I could be wrong, but I expect most Ynarri lists to be Aeldari soup instead of pure Ynarii.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:41
You can't do that... A ynnarii army is all or nothing, you can have a ynarri detachment alongside a craftworld detachment, but everything ynnarii changes
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:41
thats why you leave the 3 base cats as is, and add everything into ynnari
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:41
👍
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:42
actually, only one keyworld has to be in common in the same detachment
so you could have soup within the same deatchment @FarseerVeraenthis
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 06:42
I thought we just discussed how you could do a mixed detachment including some Ynarii and some not.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 15 2017 06:42
we did
just for examples sake, i could have a list like this @FarseerVeraenthis :
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Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 06:56
I need to get to work, I'll check the wording of the army of reborn rule and get back to you
MrRta1910
@MrRta1910
Jun 15 2017 07:33
Could I plz get the repo to help validate it thx
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 15 2017 07:34
Aye, the AotR rule only replaces the DE/CW special rules (like Battle Focus, etc) with Strength From Death and excludes several DE units + the Avatar from the army
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 07:35
ok, so, is army bigger than detachment or not?
because Army of the Reborn says "...any AELDARI unit can be part of an Ynnari army."
as such, in @flakpanda 's example, which army is the Ynnari army?
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 15 2017 07:36
Aye, "army" is your entire force, which if Battle Forged, is made entirely of Detachments
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 07:37
which means, to run a Ynnari Army, every detachment has to be Ynnari
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 15 2017 07:37
Mwer
I'll check the BRB to see if there's an official definition of "Army"
"When choosing your army for a matched play game, your army must be Battle-forged and it's total points..."
So yeah, I think you're right
Can't mix 'em
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 07:40
so then, this is the reason we need a separate CAT for Ynnari, that includes everything from the other three CATs (expect Covens and such) along with the appropriate rules
as well as the fact that changing keywords is not possible in BS atm and ever Ynnari unit gains the Ynnari keyword
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 15 2017 07:41
Seems legit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 07:42
I knew there was some logic in there somewhere :smile:
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 15 2017 07:42
Quite unusual though
The rule, not your logic lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 07:43
I think they have written it that way to prevent exactly the situation suggested previously - Ynnari soup
honestly, I don't think we'll see many people use "proper" ynnari armies, not when you can keep your special rules and just do Aeldari soup instead...
although, I might be underestimating the power of Strength from Death
only the Yncarne has an ability that specifically mentions the YNNARI faction keyword, (fearless & 6+ invuln within 6"), and it's auras can be covered by other units in an Aeldari soup army
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 07:49
I hope that combining the three other CAT's into the Ynnari cat doesn't make it run slowly, but we wait and see :+1:
although, if performance is linked to file size, the CAT's are significantly smaller in the 8thprep branch than the master
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 15 2017 07:53
Less rules :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 07:58
less formation validation
well. exactly 0 formations in the CAT's as well...
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 15 2017 08:06
So far :D
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 08:21
yes, "Wait for the Codex"
tekton
@tekton
Jun 15 2017 08:25
I'll get the GK file name changed with this typo change list then
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 08:39
:+!:
:+1: even
hey @MrRta1910 what help did you need??
MrRta1910
@MrRta1910
Jun 15 2017 08:43
I can't seem to get access to the repo is there a url I could get
that's the 8th ed prep branch
and if you need help to get the data in BS to check: BSData/wh40k#3823
you can look there :smile:
MrRta1910
@MrRta1910
Jun 15 2017 08:50
Can it work on mobile
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 09:00
yes it can
apparently
alternatively, wait until Saturday and you can get the new data through the standard update link through Appspot
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 09:02

@amis92 is in Espania

Poland actually :D

James
@skonk
Jun 15 2017 09:04
It will work on mobile since the files are the same but getting the data files into the correct location may a bit more work than usual since there's no .bsi file for the prep files. On Android I would assume you can just connect the mobile to a computer and just copy the files to where they're needed but on iOS you may need to finagle them into the right place via a desktop computer and dropbox sync?
MrRta1910
@MrRta1910
Jun 15 2017 09:06
I've added it but there is no new catalogue to use
GitArdnutz
@GitArdnutz
Jun 15 2017 09:14
On mobile you need to find where your BS data files are stored, view the desktop version of the 40k8eprep branch, download the branch as a ZIP to your mobile, then unzip it to the location where the BS data files are stored. On Android it's in /Android/data/net.battlescribe.mobile.rostereditor/files/data
On iOS look at the link Simon Porter posted above for the instructions.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 10:07
did you get it to work??
MrRta1910
@MrRta1910
Jun 15 2017 10:07
Nope
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 10:09
:worried: oh dear... what operating system are you running?
MrRta1910
@MrRta1910
Jun 15 2017 10:09
Android
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 10:11
righto, what have you tried so far?
MrRta1910
@MrRta1910
Jun 15 2017 10:19
What got said and added repo
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 10:28
right, no idea why its not working then... only a couple of days to wait until it is available through the "standard" channel from Appspot so probably best to wait until then
MrRta1910
@MrRta1910
Jun 15 2017 10:29
Kk
Le-Sir
@Le-Sir
Jun 15 2017 11:50
@alphalas I'm here
Le-Sir
@Le-Sir
Jun 15 2017 12:13

I fixed several bugs in the main 8. edition file:

  • Fixed Hot-Shot Lasgun and Pistole Profile
  • Fixed Vulcan Mega-bolter Profile
  • Deleted the second Vulkan Mega-bolter with the ID ccc3-cffe-e84e-abd0
  • Added the inch (") charakter to the lasgun and laspistol
  • Fixed the Inferno cannon profile

What should I put into the "Summary" in the Git App? I can't find an open issue for the main file.

Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 12:17
You might just call it "gst profile fixes" and list these fixes like here in description field
Le-Sir
@Le-Sir
Jun 15 2017 12:26

Thanks.

Btw, what does the "Collective" setting do?

Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 12:55
indiscriminately kills kittens and nuns
(not really)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 12:56
and kicks puppies
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 12:56
it is used to control how the models are selected winthin units
hehehehe
so that the ouput looks nice
for example, if all models in a unit have the same wargear, you can set the wargear to collective and the models will show as a multiple on one line, as opposed to separate entires with a line per wargear item
(I'm at work so I can't post a screenshot...)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2017 13:19
Hey @alphalas let me know when you wake up there's something with the Ministorum file I came across last night I wanted to discuss with you
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 15 2017 13:20
should I wait for cat maintainer or just pull in minor changes like spelling? eg #3901 / #3902
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 13:21
@GenWilhelm is the maintainer, he might be around so you could always as k :smile:
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 15 2017 13:22
well, I guess he got a notification now, so I'll let him handle it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 13:23
also, @amis92 there are a number of Imperium files that need name changes; Dark Angels, Legion of the damned, (knights), and Space Wolves - should I post an issue collecting all in one, or tag the change onto an existing issue??? or should I let you handle it during your megamix when you prep for release??
(Aeldari CATs are the same, but I'm just waiting for the Ynnari CAT to be created before fiddling with them...)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 13:35
I can do that during makeover, will be easier and surely no conflicts :)
But I'm not sure what have we settled on for prefixing
Imperium has Imperium prefix, Chaos has Chaos, and xenos?
Seen something about Aeldari - so only them? Tyranids and GCults could have something?
leaves Necrons, Orks and Tau
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 13:40
right, so, all imperium to have Imperium prefix, all Chaos to have Chaos Prefix, Aeldari CAT's to have Aeldari prefix, apart from 'nids and GSC there are no shared factions, so they don't need a prefix to collect them when sorted
Tyranids and GSC could have something - "Proper Scray Aliens" perhaps?
*Scary
might be a bit long
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2017 13:41
My friend and I (he plays GSC) call them "The Cult of Sneaky & Stabby"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 13:41
but yes, if you could update the filenames during the makeover that would be groovy
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2017 13:42
But that's totally useless as a prefix LOL
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 13:42
"TCSS" would probably require too much explanation
TCoSaS, just as much
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 13:44
IMO prefixes should be limited to overarching factions. If there's a new Ork faction? Give it the ork prefix. All of Aeldari? Give them a prefix. It's a way to keep armies that can be taken together logically grouped.
New Necron book? Add a prefix of "Necrons - " to it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 13:47
so, what should we prefix 'Nids & GSC with then? since they're the only two remaining...
and @cartag I agree entirely, just the gribbly monster to decide
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 13:48
I think Tyranids it the obvious prefix
But then Tyranids - Tyranids.cat or just Tyranids.cat fur buggers?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 13:48
that was going to be my next point
although we have chaos - chaos space marines
we don't have chaos - chaos
James
@skonk
Jun 15 2017 13:49
we have Chaos - Chaos Space Marines
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 13:49
I think possibly leave them as just Tyranids
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 13:50
Maybe Tyranids - Hive Fleets? But then say Behemoth gets a Codex and we cry
James
@skonk
Jun 15 2017 13:50
is splitting it up so much just going to make it a hassle?
perhaps just stick with very generic, Imperium, Chaos, Xenos
it at least tells people which set of indexes to look in
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 13:51
That was already kind of discussed and ruled out
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 13:51
well, the thinking is to create a reference that endures the move from index to codex
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 13:51
Indexes are really temporary
^
Ok, so
  • Tyranids
  • Tyranids - Genestealer Cults
  • T'au Empire
  • Necrons
  • Orks
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 13:54
Works for me
(I was just typing something similar :smile:)
and then if there is any further development of the system that requires additional CAT's for additional distinct tyranid "sub-factions" we can make a minor update then
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 14:10
Looks like a good bet to me.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 14:16
:heart:
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 15 2017 14:30
If someone is working on the files and wants to rename the SW cat go for it
I won't be doing anything till this evening & have no uncommited changes
Otherwise i'll do it later
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 15:57
@CrusherJoe shoot - what's up with aMin this time?
@le-sir please do not push changes to AM
I am still in the cat - I'm working on a refactoring that I'll put up after @amis92 is done the freeze
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 16:29
I'll probably do the freeze tomorrow morning here (08:00 UTC or so), this evening I've got other plans
So feel free to push
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 16:36
Guys, anyone can point me to a weapon with three different range profiles except Tau Pulse Blastcannon?
I'm wondering how to fix #3899 without putting in 1.2.3. numbers after name
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 16:38
Does the tau pulse blaster still have 3?
That's the breacher gun
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 16:39
yeah, it still has
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 16:39
I think some of ion guns might have 3.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 16:39
suffers the same problem (pulse blaster)
Ion Accelerator on Riptide
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 16:40
Only other thing I can think of off the top of my head is the conversion beemer from SM
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 16:40
that's right!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 16:40
BUT, I'm not sure if it even still exists
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 16:41
Exists, but one profile now :<
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 16:42
Dumb
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 17:05
@amis92 its alphabetical, so just change 'close' to 'short'
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 17:06
huh
so simple
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 17:51
@Toreador13 go for it
James
@skonk
Jun 15 2017 20:08
hmm
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2017 20:12
@alphalas So the more I looked at it the more I think it has to be the way it is. Specifically, the Canoness. The UI is a mess...but it does match up correctly to rules in the Index -- and like I said I don't really see how it can be done any other way. So I guess the short answer (too late for that, right?) is there's really nothing wrong with it, it just looks awful (but I don't think there's any other way to do it)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 15 2017 20:12
Yes?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 15 2017 20:23
Anyone figure out how to do constraints based on the presence of a single unit with both of two categories, e.g. Flyer Transport?
James
@skonk
Jun 15 2017 20:36
My files may be out of date but Patrol Detachment is saying +1 CP but it should be +0 - this may have been fixed since i last updated though
Good night :)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2017 20:47
@/all I'd like you to close the catch-all issues for catalogues if everything in there was resolved, and close any other resolved issues. When I freeze the repo, I'll try to touch up all what was left as far as I'll be able to, but I'm just one person so. ;) Hope you won't leave me alone with much work.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 21:07
could someone please confirm #3910 it looks like it contains bugs for things i recently fixed, cannoness and celestine superia are indeed wrong, but the rest should be okay
ah, no its the gst update thats messed things up, now comes the time where i have to create entries for every profile,
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 21:26
@Toreador13 you working on AdMin atm?, it needs a while lot of changes not just to fix the bugs listed in your bug report, don't wanna step on your toes
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 22:05
2017-06-15_23-05-20.png
angle brackets breaks the formatting in the end roster, do we have a workaround for this?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 22:06
Open in Notepad++, Ctrl+H, Replace all "<ORDER>" with "(ORDER)"
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 22:07
kwl, thanks,
cartag
@cartag
Jun 15 2017 22:07
Save after you do that though lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 22:22
latest build escapes html characters, so it wont be an issue much longer
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 22:23
Anyone else seeing issues on mobile with profiles and rules not correctly showing?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 22:23
kwl, i replaced with (), should be easy enough to change it back
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 22:23
Working in Web applications as much as I do, () is a better choice anyways.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 22:24
Inline profiles are not showing at all
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 22:26
It looks good to me. Though the data files on my mobile device are from yesterday.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 22:27
Hmm. I'm on Android, so my interface doesn't look much like that.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 22:27
I haven't looked at pc yet to see if it's a iOS issue only or not
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 22:27
about to say, it works on android. what build you on?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 22:28
I'm on 2.01.02, looks like it just updated today. You might try updateding.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 22:28
The new iOS release (2.01.02)
I literally just updated
Previously I couldn't even generate a roster output
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 22:29
You can turn off inline profiles. Maybe it got turned off
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 22:29
i know its stupid, but you're not on "low memory mode" are you?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 22:30
For me, I've got a gear in the view roster page. It has a few options in a sub menu
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 22:30
iOS doesn't have LMM
Summary only outputs all profiles grouped together at the bottom- inline just doesn't
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 15 2017 22:32
I wish I had an apple device to test on to help you verify the issue. Since its a different compile for Apple vs Android, I would assume it is a problem with the ios version
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 22:32
iOS if you're running low on space the OS bitches at you every time you try to add things to memory
I'll go grab one of my nooks and try it on andi
I do have them for that purpose lol
@GenWilhelm I have a feeling #3915 is someone assuming that the whole all imperial have access to all imperial LoWs thing still exists
It doesn't
Well it does, but not in the way OP is trying to do it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2017 22:36
yeah, i thought it might be that. better to ask than to assume
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 23:26
@tag8833 confirmed to iOS only
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 23:48
Just submitted a QoL update for some of the AdMin stuff, but since its close to the freeze (and I'm about to head off for the night) i decided not to pull it since it won't be able to be QA'd/bug fixed in time, thinking about it i probably should have just left it alone...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2017 23:48
@CloverFox just commit it
i'm not gunna get AM fixed before then either
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 15 2017 23:49
okay, done, thanks