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18th
Jun 2017
James
@skonk
Jun 18 2017 00:02
I'm not much of a painter but did a quick test on a pox walker, was just done quick (otherwise i'll never get through a whole unit of them) so keeping detail to a min
2017-06-17 23.52.31.jpg
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 00:03
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 00:07
Nice!
James
@skonk
Jun 18 2017 00:08
:)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 01:04
I have big news: My maulerfiend killed something today!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 01:11
Nice
I faced a list of 3 bloodthirsters. It wasn't nice.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 01:12
For those who wonder "wtf is he talking about, that's nothing big," my maulerfiend has killed ONE model in 3+ years. It's normally immobilized or blows up turn 1.
How'd it go?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 01:13
It wasn't nice.
Vs. Crisis tau w/ a stormsurge.
SS died in 2 rounds. Didn't kill a single bloodthirster
Though, I did do a fun list of 3 IK, all 4 assassins, and celestine.
Faced Wraith eldar
That was a fun game. Celestine and the assassins did work.
Re: not moving at all if you can't re-consolidate
It's wonky, but it makes sense from a purely mechanical standpoint.
The unit MUST return to coherency the next time it moves.
It cannot do that the next time it moves.
So it can't move.
but yea, don't fuck yourself.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 01:22
#147 lolol
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 01:23
/facepalm
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 01:49
I had some fun with my part of a DI box
there is enough space in the gravis collars for beak helmets
my new batch of RG heads came in today
so I tried one on the captain and it looked good enough to do the Inceptors and lieutenant
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 02:00
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 02:02
I think the inceptors look a damn sight better without the gunshields
still wishing those had been optional bits instead of a trim job
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 02:18
re:#147 - he's using minimal output, so the model level rule doesnt print on the output
RaptorInMotion
@RaptorInMotion
Jun 18 2017 02:46
yo alpha
you know that index for astartes, on dropbox
when i open it, its just garbled mess. all the others open fine
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 02:47
what are you using to open it?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 02:47
No he's not gen
image.png
Well, he may be
But it still prints out
He's just dumb
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 02:48
no, the point is the warriors dont have reanimation listed on their entry
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 02:48
Oh THAT
O.o
That's ... odd
Why on earth is it doing that
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 02:49
because minimal output hides anything that isnt a child of the top level entry
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 02:50
I know
but I mean, it shows on immortals
RaptorInMotion
@RaptorInMotion
Jun 18 2017 02:50
just edge like the pdfs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 02:50
the structure is the exact same.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 02:50
is the rule on the model or the unit?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 02:50
Model shared entry
image.png
which is linked to the unit
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 02:51
@RaptorInMotion you'll want to use an epub reader for that one, it's not a PDF
RaptorInMotion
@RaptorInMotion
Jun 18 2017 02:51
lovely, cheers :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 02:52
Huh, it doesn't show it because the guass flayer is linked to the warrior
where as the immortals it's linked to the unit
that's ... a very odd interaction
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 02:53
huh, thats bizarre
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 02:53
Yep, if I take out the gauss flayer
it shows on minimal
but the extra shared entry link in the unit hides it
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 18 2017 02:53
Do we have a pdf of the FW: Imperial file yet? Or still just the epub?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 02:53
even though the rule is on the model, not the gauss flayer
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 02:53
just epub AFAIK tag
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 18 2017 02:54
I was trying to convert it via Calibre, and it doesn't want to do it. What epub reader do you guys use?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 02:54
it works in the Adobe Digital Editions, or something like that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 02:55
Calibre doesn't convert GW epubs
I just use Readium for chrome.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 02:55
i use epub file reader
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 02:55
they work on ipad too
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 18 2017 03:29
So forgeworld has published digital stuff but GW hasn't yet?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 03:44
No the GW ePubs are out there
Just apparently nobody here got them or knows anyone who got them
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 18 2017 05:14
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 05:17
we have epubs for the 2 IA books, its the main indices we're missing
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 09:17
@tag8833 On Windows I use Azardi to read epubs. Not very fancy, but it works with all GW and FW stuff I've seen so far.
James
@skonk
Jun 18 2017 10:14
I tried Azardi, works well yeh
I still find pdf's better on the PC though
the Chaos IA book thats up at the mo is a PDF I made by screenshotting every page of the ePub on my iPad and building a PDF out of it :)
I'll probably do the same with the Imperium book at some point
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 18 2017 10:25
I can't believe they've not added proper epub3 support to calibre yet. I usually use readium on pc
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 11:56
so.... many.... buuuuuuuuuugs....
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 12:29
I closed a couple :(
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 12:37
Aww, and he called me Owl. Cheeky :wink:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:12
Is it not owl? I figured it was the bane of an owl
I hate mentioning when I don't mean to summon so I don't :p
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 13:19
Yeah, no prob. It used to be the surname of an rpg-character I used to play. Needed something unique that sounded upper class British but wasn't. So I came up with Windsor-Owlsbane, lol
And since it's unique it works very well when making accounts for this and that :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 13:24
Yeah that's like my Alphalas lol
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 13:24
I've never seen 'That account name is already in use' using this one. So if you see an Owlsbane somewhere else, that's almost 100% me.
*likely to be
If you add an 's' at the end you get the gender-opposite of Alpha male. Is that intentional?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:28
Lol
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 13:29
ALPHA LASS!
What has been seen cannot be unseen
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 13:29
I'm so sorry!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:30
All hail the drowned god
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 13:31
Or it's a renegade Sister that went over to the Alpha Legion...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:32
You mean loyalist
;)
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 13:33
Perhaps, ymmv
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:34
Omegnon is the true emperor.
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 13:34
To me they're all usurping xenos scumm. Rebirth of the Aeldari!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:34
Or alpherius.
Hey I play necrons and tau
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 13:35
lol actually there for a while I would just go by Las - I don't remember quite how I came up with the name but it was a name for a D&D chara
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 13:35
Get back into your coffins and your ponds!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:35
Necrons are gonna be put away soon I think though. I just can't find my stride with them.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 13:35
Tangent: Is anybody else getting pissed at how BS handles copy/paste? It could be a java thing, I'm not sure, but it's pissing me off. Example: Set max 1 in parent to 0 if equal to 1 in parent of X. I copy then. I then change Parent to Unit, go to paste elsewhere, and it copies the current state of it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:35
Getting?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 13:35
Sorry, mycurrent pet peeve
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:35
lol I've been pissed then learned to accept it as an annoyance
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 13:35
You know what, fill up the coffins with water and drop the fish in there, for the greater good!
Probably an Imp. Guard that got snatched up by the warp and dumped into a backwater medieval world, choosing a new identity that would remind him/her daily of what was most important in his/her former life: his/her lasgun.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:37
I must impress on everyone how amazing assassins are though.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 13:38
Oh yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:38
I want to do a shitload of vanguard detachments with all cullexus
Like 20 cullexus
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 13:38
My vindicare is pretty much an auto-take
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:38
Vs tsons
Fuck you psykers.
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 13:39
lol
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 13:39
I fucking hate psykers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 13:39
First game I played with him he took 6 wounds off a tervigon with his first shot
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:39
I was really impressed with eversor and Callidus too
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 13:39
Second game he killed a noxious blightbringer
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:40
As gimmicky as 3 IK, Celestine, and all 4 assassins was.
It worked well enough and was fun.
And had 7CP lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 13:41
I will say this - disgustingly resilient is annoying af against custodes
Everything is d3 damage so even poxwalkers were doing on average 2 or 3 DR rolls for each model in the squad every round of combat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:43
Yea it is
Dg got necrons rules
And necrons got nerfed necron rules.
Though quantum shielding.
God damn are from vehicles resilient to high damage
Cron*
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 13:47
What the actual fuck...
I've changed the cost of a Sorcerer from 60 to 90 points FOUR TIMES. I save the file, load another, go back to it, and it's changed back
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 13:48
O.o
Is there a backups folder
In your data folder
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 13:49
Yes, but files are dated 6/10
and there are other updates since then that are in the files I load
I change in CSM, save, load DG. change there, save. Load TS, change there, save.
Load CSM for shits & giggles, it's back to 60 points
I then check TS, 90
Check DG, 60
Check TS again, 60
It looks like it's staying now... setiously, fuck the data editor some times
Here I've been questioning my sanity because I KNEW I updated some things multiple times, and it was always reverting.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 13:54
Sorry for my rant to kill conversation... Who all has played against Slaanesh yet? Their special rule sucks
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 14:00
Was that a pun?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 14:01
No, the Slaaneshi daemon rule is Quicksilver Swiftness. The daemons basically attack every round as if they charged.
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 14:01
Ouch!
I liked it better as a pun!
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 14:01
When you're facing blobs of 30 daemonettes, it's not that great
And at that size, they get 3 attacks each, on 6's they are AP -4
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 14:03
That's a lot of dice with a decent buff on a 6.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 14:03
When fighting a maulerfiend they can only wound on a 6
They're daemonic can openers
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 14:04
Yeah well, very fluffy when looking at the actual models I'd say.
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 14:10
Can anyone tell me quickly how to add a model to HQ selections?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 14:12
Set HQ as the primary category
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 14:12
tqhanks
thanks*
Hmm already set to primary
Maybe its something else?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 14:15
make sure it's not set to hidden
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 14:16
lol yup its hidden
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 14:31
Sorry. At work :( points working now when saving?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 18 2017 14:32
I've been doing the DW file, but I'm not really an expert on DW, can someone tell me why this issue keeps coming up #159 The rules seem pretty clear to me, why are people reading them differently?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 14:38
Snip the dw termie sheet for me
The whole. Not that little sliver
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 14:40
Wow that seems bizzare
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 18 2017 14:40
image.png
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 14:41
Common sense would tell you that the termie is replacing its storm bolter with the melta gun but its not written that way.
I think your assessment is correct @tag8833 but it is confusing to have a ranged weapon included on a melee weapon option. I see more people confusing this in the future
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 14:41
So you can basically strap a melta onto the power fist, but you keep the storm bolter
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 14:42
Nvm found it.
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 14:42
lol Just tape the melta to the fist
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 14:42
Sb and pf are very clearly separate
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 14:42
Think of how a helbrute does it, it can have a built in flamer or heavy flamer, cant' remember
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 14:42
New band name called it "MeltaFist"
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 18 2017 14:43
Yeah, and once again, I'm no DW expert, but I figure they've got an arm option with PF + meltgun, and it doesn't interact with the SB arm. I feel like I've seen a DW termie modeled like that.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 14:43
Guilliman he has a heavy bolter under his ppwrfist
So. Totally legit.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 18 2017 14:50
I noted it when I did the data file, because a DW Kill team can have 3 Termies w/ Meltagun + Cyclone ML + SB Alongside 4 Vets with Frag Cannon. That is a lot of firepower coming out of one squad.
Throw in a Vanguard vet so that you can fall back and still shoot, and you've got something fairly special.
It's about 700 points, so probably isn't very viable, but its still kinda fun looking.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 14:52
it was added as an option because of the salamander character in the overkill set
that's where the PF/melta model comes from
on the terminator character
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 18 2017 14:54
Good spot. Yeah I even have that model. PF + Melta replace the ordinary PF, and the HF replaces the SB.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 14:55
I've got 4 of those arm bits on various DW terminators
also another DW thing that may have cropped up: the tables in the back show 1-5 per squad (as the old codex) but the dataslate entries show 5-10
for bikers/vanguard/terminators
gut feeling says 1-5 should be correct, as that was a big point of interest for DW was the ability to take single model squads
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 18 2017 14:56
Yeah, that has popped up a few times. I sent that to GW via Reece Robbins to see if he can get clarity on that.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 14:56
be ware of raptor1770whatevers pull request. Seems to not test his stuff in the slightest and makes major errors
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 18 2017 14:57
An argument people have been making is that the datasheet unit composition is for narrative while the points list composition is for matched play.
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 14:58
Um, not sure what your talking about @Thairne, everything was working fine when i submitted it
I test everything as I do it, then after I double check
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 14:58
it caused any roster to require several kataphron breachers and kastelan robots
the constraints were on the wrong level of the entry referring to the parrent
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 14:59
That was an error that existed when I opened the file
I didn't fix it because it wasn't part of the Issue that I was working on.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:00
Ill blame the file and see whats going on
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:00
In any case thats an easy fix. I think it may be a bit extreme to claim that I don't check my work
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 15:01
That would make sense
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:01
I can assure you it was not that way when I did the last skitarii fix 4 hours ago
then I merge the pull and it is that way
what other near conclusion would you take?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 15:02
There's similar things in GHB - the bret spearman are min10 on the main sheet, but min 16 for pts in GHB
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:02
Entry of the robots 4h ago
grafik.png
after the merge
grafik.png
blame also says it came in from that merge
grafik.png
grafik.png
rev. no is identical
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:08
So either the git merge fucked it up or you did, since that constraint also was never in since the initial commit
admittedly there were conflicts, but only on rangers and vanguards due to my recent rework, but I chose the master for those and they didnt cause problems.
So... yes, I think my conclusion has its merrits :P
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:12
Well I recreated the constraints you showed and from my testing it looks like the problem existed before my commit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 15:12
:popcorn:
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 15:12
^ ditto
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:12

your commit also added these lines
<constraint field="selections" scope="parent" value="2.0" percentValue="false" shared="true" includeChildSelections="false" includeChildForces="false" id="cd6f-eee9-b7a3-12cc" type="min"/>

  • <constraint field="selections" scope="parent" value="6.0" percentValue="false" shared="true" includeChildSelections="false" includeChildForces="false" id="4a68-9499-33df-9ba4" type="max"/>

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 18 2017 15:12
Oh come on there's icons for everything else.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:12
seenns awfully like added constraints for me
version history is proof it does not exists.
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:13
Putting the constraint on the Kastalan Robots Ancestor creates the issue you describe where the roster requires 2
while placing the constraint on the kastalan robot child does not create that issue, thats just based on the live testing I'm doing now
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:14
accurate
matches the screenshots shown above
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:15
its possible that the corrections I made last night cnflicted badly with yours
my apologies
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:16
dude
I pulled the file from your pull request.
grafik.png
grafik.png
I rest my case.
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:20
Yes I understand but you are claiming that adding the constraint to the Kastalan Robot Selection Entry is what caused the problem. What I am saying is that I am testing it now and that isnt what causes the problem. Adding a constraint to the Katalan Robot Unit creates the problem.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:20
not adding to the robot, that one was there before
it was adding to the robotS, which is the root entry.
That causes the robotS entry to be required a minium of 2 times in the roster
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:23
Yes thats correct, my mistake.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:23
good ;)
I LOOOOVE being right :P
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:24
I'm happy for you :) I don't mind being wrong just want to make sure to get it right in the future
Also, ill be more diligent about double checking my work
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:24
next time, please be careful. Reviewing based on an XML is a tedious task prone to errors - and those pull requests go immediately into the master.
its a bit of a hassle
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:24
no problem
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:25
:+1:
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 15:29
Are we good to push a release?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:29
:shipit:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 15:32
Also @CrusherJoe pointed this out to me yesterday- anyone else notice the repressor now has fire points? 6 of them to be exact
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 18 2017 15:32
And 12 wounds
@alphalas is the Repressor now in the cat?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 15:33
Should be
The FB BSdata page says the release is live
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 15:34
the one I just pushed?
nm
reading comprehension FTW
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 18 2017 15:36
I fought an ork horde of 90 boyz, 2x units of storm boyz, Ghazzy, weirdboy big mech, waaagh banner, warboss on bike and 2xGorkonauts down to a tie yesterday with full sisters + knight crusader. Would have won it except I rolled a 2 at the bottom of turn 5. He had 12 boyz left in one unit. Saint Celestine's Bar-B-Que Club FTW
I think adding the Repressor will make that list even better LOL
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:38
@raptor1770 concerning your pull request for #145 - I'm not the BA guy, but looking at file/roster you have to select blood angels chapter for them to appear. Flesh Tearers do not have access to Dante etc. it seems.... so your PR would break that logic. The issue itself reported by Anon is invalid I think
maybe the chapter selection should be mandatory in the roster to prevent that kind of misunderstanding
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:39
ahh i see
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 15:40
here's the ironic thing - FT can be BA OR reg sm.
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:40
It does throw an error if you do not select the chapter
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:41
ah yes.. I was too quick selecting
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 15:41
I made the same mistake
Um reject that pull request, maybe there is a way to streamline the chapter selection.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 15:43
closed PR and issue
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 16:22
@amis92 we need an invalid tag and a can't reproduce tag.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 16:23
resolution - invalid is there
also problem - not reproducing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 16:24
still need can't duplicate
ah thanks
#186 i'm not seeing the bug
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 16:26
me neither
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 16:56
Gotta love the people that can't read release notes, I just got a very angry one saying there was no profile information in the necron mobile format files, when I haven't even put any in yet!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 17:15
Well that's a pain in the ass
The ebooks are formatted so you can't copy-paste anymore
Gotta do PDF conversion then ocr
James
@skonk
Jun 18 2017 17:16
Have you got hold of epubs of the normal indexes?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 17:16
Nope
James
@skonk
Jun 18 2017 17:16
ah
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 17:16
Was trying to do Rex and Lok
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 17:22
Aha!
You gotta play with it but it does work
James
@skonk
Jun 18 2017 17:22
:)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 17:25
the tools I'm using don't allow selection, so far the only one that's even opened it with some jumbled text is readium
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 17:27
I used my iPad and played with it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 17:27
I hadn't tried that yet, but that was my next stop
tekton
@tekton
Jun 18 2017 17:38
Ok, PR in for the new GK issues; i still feel silly for missing small things, but first time doing a cat so I guess it's somewhat excusable :P at any rate, i'll be afk for a while but can get to other issues when i'm home tonight
RaptorInMotion
@RaptorInMotion
Jun 18 2017 18:48
hey alpha
hows the bane of your existence going? :P
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 19:04
Three "bugs" so far of point cost... all ignoring wargear costs.
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 18 2017 19:05
Owl don't know what you're talking about...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 19:14
@raptorinmotion think it's all ironed out
Vets aren't collapsible - since each vet can have a shotgun or lasgun you can't do collective
RaptorInMotion
@RaptorInMotion
Jun 18 2017 19:16
im just gonna nod and agree coz i dont code at all :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 19:16
Lol fair
I just remember you were asking about them collapsing like last ed
RaptorInMotion
@RaptorInMotion
Jun 18 2017 19:17
that bsdataanon loves a good bug report
i remember last time you could choose the amount of them you wanted with the up down arrows
vet w/shotgun x5
vet w/lasgun x5
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 19:18
Yeah which is not really a good way to do it
RaptorInMotion
@RaptorInMotion
Jun 18 2017 19:18
ah okay
:(
RaptorInMotion
@RaptorInMotion
Jun 18 2017 19:25
ill have a download of this new version and have a gander
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 19:25
It worked, but it's better to represent what each model is armed with
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 19:27
I've made two new profile types in CATs now, they shouldn't need to be rolled into the GST as they won't be used often. One for FW drop pods that only have three (instead of 4, counting wounds) stat areas, and one for Titans that have five total.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 19:28
@alphalas it can be, but that's also what makes the main files hell for mobile, which is why I did a separate set, each one of those ends up being 3+ submenus
Good for tournament output though, so having the two versions is the best option tbh
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:36
Other than starting over, is there any way of getting past broken "Link must have a target that exists errors? I call them broken because clicking them does not navigate inside the app.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 19:36
Not in the editor, and you can't save after it shows up
I'm guessing you're copying from one CAT to another
the "fix" is to strip the item of categories before you copy it into the other one
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:37
I actually removed some stuff from a GST which seemed to prompt it.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 19:37
shit... what did you remove?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:37
Don't worry, it is 30k.
Because of dumb limitations of shared entries in the GST, I have to copy-paste refactor some entries back into individual CATs so as to mutate their Category selections.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 19:40
the 30k files are entertaining to look at the internals of. Deconstructing those was how I leanred to write some of the more difficult logic
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:40
Rites of War have been hideous to implement.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 19:41
I can believe it
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:41
Getting the Compulsory HQ and Compulsory Troops things working with the new Category thing is my latest challenge.
It exposes stupid limitations like that shared entries from the GST are basically protected or final.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 19:42
TBH I'm surprised you haven't just done the rites as unique detachments prior to now
perhaps I'll see about contributing to the 30k stuff once I've gotten this alternative 40k format done
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:43
I wanted to, but the original maintainer decreed that should not be. He's since fucked off, but now that the weird FoC mutation stuff works, it is probably better we did it this way (so as to switch Rites without starting over on a list).
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 19:43
whenever the hell that will be since I'm doing the 40k mobile alone
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:46
Now I just think I have stumbled into some fucked up bug. Reverting the files has no impact on the unresolveable errors.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 19:46
if you deleted from GST, try restoring GST
or is that what you'd tried
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:47
I just tried that.
Is there some cache or something to delete?
I'm working on the files inside of the data directory.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 18 2017 19:47
try restarting the roster viewer and editor
they do hold some things in memory
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:51
I'm wondering if I need to re-convert this file or something.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:56
Now have gone back several releases with the file. Last time I saw this, I had to re-install.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 19:57
If you delete your local data and reboot there shouldn't be any need to reinstall
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:57
Overwriting the bugged file with a prior release made no difference.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 19:57
Did you close BS completely and then try, or are you being stubborn like I almost always am and refusing to do it on a matter of principle even though it will likely fix it?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 19:58
Yeah, closed Data and Roster editors.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 19:58
Said from the standpoint of somebody who always refuses to restart anything
Then follow the first rule of IT.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:00
Closing apps did nothing, reverting file to prior state did nothing, replacing the bugged file with a prior revision did nothing.
Guess I am reinstalling.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 20:01
First rule of IT: Have you tried turning it off and on again? Reboot, just to rule it out.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:01
is it just me or do our "customers" suddenly have very high expecation on the data?
earlier we could just do the fuck we want, but now.. "I have to ADD something instead of having a numerical value, that is inacceptable!"
What?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:03
People expect good UX even from "free".
It is pretty annoying the the duplicate model control is now gone in desktop.
So, that creates the perfect storm of having to create and equip each model in large units with many clicks each.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:09
If the units were still numeric tick boxes, it would be pretty quick. Now, with proper entries under each model to contain wargear/rules/etc, it is way more clicks to create a unit than it was.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:10
well that is "fixable" via collective... but still, I don't remember such... insistance on having a standard default weapon that is ALWAYS in the squad be removed if you take a special weapon for example
who the fuck cares if you have 4x radium carbine and 2 x arc rifle vs 3x radium carbine and 2x arc rifle if it is free?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:11
Collective doesn't work with subentries.
I wish it did!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:12
are you sure? Cause once I made every entry below the model level collective it all added up... even if there'S SEG above
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:13
As to who cares, I would say that @alphalas does... and I agree that we should list what every model has, with an entry that shows on the printout. That said, we need some improvements to the UI to make for better UX with such entries.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:13
though I might be wrong on the SEG part
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:13
I haven't ever seen it work, but I may play with it to test out your memory/theory. It would be great if it did work.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:13
I'm not saying we shouldn'T do it, I'm saying that noone cared about such things for the past few years
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 20:14
That was actually a fair point – this is one of the first times I've seen users be as vehement as I am
Is actually*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:14
@capitaladot
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penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 18 2017 20:15
It would be nice if there was a modifier to increment/decrease wargear
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:15
space marine with BPs group up as collective
it would be even nicer if we could set a default entry via modifier for SEG's...
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 18 2017 20:15
And that
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:17
Even with collective, the problem of customizing individual items is still an issue.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 20:17
^that's one of the big issues in 30k - defaults not deselecting when they're modified to not be min1max1
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:17
so you want stuff to group up AFTER you select the appropriate wargear?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:18
That would be nice, yeah, after duplicating a given model.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:18
because if individual models can differ in wargear, there is no reason to make it collective in the first place
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:18
Ain't nobody got time to "Highlander" model equipment.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:18
but how would you split them apart afterwards if you change your mind?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 20:19
Yeah that was my point originally w/ vets - each individual vet can have a shotgun or lasgun
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:19
A split button in the context menu would do the trick. That, or let it re-actively split if you, say add a given wargear item.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:19
and you can have any possible combination of those - so you need to have it on individual model basis
I see, but that is definately not easy to implement
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:19
Right... but models should be clonable.
They used to be, but 2.01.01 broke it, so the feature was pulled from desktop for the release.
It still works on Android.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:20
I didnt even notice that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 20:20
And iOS too
Gotta force-touch but it works
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 18 2017 20:21
I was so busy building data, I didnt make a single list yet..
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 20:21
I've been in that same boat lol
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:21
I haven't messed with the 40k8 files much, yet. I had downloaded some in alpha to play with my Serpent Riders list.
Haven't gotten a game in, though.
@alphalas can you load the Knights file?
HH Questoris, that is.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 18 2017 20:30
@cartag well, uninstalling did nothing.
François Beaulieu
@francoisbeaulieu
Jun 18 2017 20:33
@tag8833 I get what he means in #162!
#159 is wrong, but #162 is right. in a termi with a heavy weapon, you've already replaced the storm bolter, so you shouldn't be adding another one when changing the powerfist.
François Beaulieu
@francoisbeaulieu
Jun 18 2017 20:38
#162 should be reopened I think, before someone resubmits it...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 20:42
@capitaladot I'm not home right now so idk
François Beaulieu
@francoisbeaulieu
Jun 18 2017 20:58
@tag8833, I can only reproduce with cat v3 on iOS, not on v5 on desktop. I assume it's already been fixed?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 22:03
:+1:
That's what I've been waiting for lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 22:05
pulled them together from a few sources
i imagine @alphalas will want them for his collection
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 22:06
Thanks! I grabbed my hard copy of the FW astartes index ysterday, but not the others
What are the plans/guidelines for adding the FW kit the catalogues? I could help with a few
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 22:06
With the bigger CATs do a separate one
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Chaos Titans are their own file now, the Knights just got rolled into the Renegade Knight file, and the rest is going in a FW file for Heretic Astartes
that's how I'm doing it anyway
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 22:07
BUENO!
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 22:08
Gotcha! So I'm guessing a FW Forces of the Adeptus Astartes cat is in order
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 22:09
That is a good question. I don't know, I only do Chaos
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 22:10
Indeed
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 22:10
yeah probably drop the GK, SoB, & Inq into their existing CATs, with the rest in "FW Astartes" or similar
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 22:10
Id say so
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 22:10
Dark Mechanicus is getting its own as well
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 22:10
IG is probably gunna get a separate
Maybe multiple
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 22:10
yeah, IG got their own book :P
cartag
@cartag
Jun 18 2017 22:11
with Renegades & Heretics in it too :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 22:11
Well tbf titans are in that book too
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 22:11
i guess it makes sense to have a cat per physical book
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 22:11
maybe break up stuff like krieg and elysians
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 18 2017 22:12
That's what I'm thinking maybe
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 22:13
FW Astartes it is then :)
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 22:55
Hey guys, I made a start on the FW astartes file, but I don't seem to have permission to submit anything to the repository anymore (granted, it has been a while). Has something changed then? Or am I having a senior moment with Github
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 23:02
i think the 8e repo has restricted permissions due to the number of new members working on it
if you open up a pull request, you can just get one of us in here to merge it
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 23:22
Cheers I'll give it a go
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 23:22
Can anyone recommend a decent epub reader for PC?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 23:23
just started using readium, and i really like it
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 23:23
I was having issues with the epubs too, but then I checked Warhammer Digital and they recommend something called Azardi. It seems to work fine
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 23:23
before that i used epub file reader, which was decent
raptor1770
@raptor1770
Jun 18 2017 23:26
thanks for the suggestions
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 23:29
Hmm, I've made a branch, created the file, committed the changes to the branch. But when I try to make a pull request, it still says I don't have permission :/
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 23:31
hmm, i dont see the commit on your fork
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 23:32
I'm definitely doing something wrong
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 23:38
Hmm, ok I think I got it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 23:39
looks good :+1:
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 23:39
Cheers! So I jsut keep adding to it and then ask for another pull?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 23:39
yep, thats the idea
quick note on naming conventions - try to avoid using underscores in file names, replace them with spaces instead
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 23:41
Understood, i'll fix it for the next update
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 23:41
thanks :)
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 18 2017 23:41
thanks for the help!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 18 2017 23:42
no worries, always glad to help out!