These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

22nd
Jun 2017
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 00:34
... and I forgot to change it before I pushed a release. There wasn't an issue posted though so I'm in the clear ;)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 00:35
yeah and now I need to wait to release my guard and inq stuff :P
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 00:35
In my defense.... Look over there! points
cartag @cartag runs away
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 00:46
There I'm done for the night
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 07:08
Hey wolf dude - #356 - get rid of collectives they're fucking everything up
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2017 07:20
collective is both useful and a fucking nightmare
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2017 09:17
@alphalas I love it when you close bug reps and just say #77 the poster goes to all trouble to write out a long passage on how life is so hard and all they get back is three characters... Makes me laugh every time!
@Penallegion and @Toreador13 did you have a chat about who was fixing #342? I don't want to merge the pull request if you're both working on it (and this comes back to last night's discussion about CAT ownership and so on) - conflicts are a pain in the backside to resolve!
Penallegion
@Penallegion
Jun 22 2017 10:30
Well no, we haven't discussed it, i self assigned and changed the point cost, nothing more.
i don't think there is a conflict anywhere, but i could be wrong.
Penallegion
@Penallegion
Jun 22 2017 10:41
where is it the list with Repos owners are ?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 10:42
on the wiki under "catalogue keepers"
oh wait its changed, it just on the main wiki page now
speaking of which, isnt tekton the keeper for GK?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 22 2017 10:54
Don't suppose anyone has seen ePub Imperial Armor index Xenos yet have they ? really want to know if I should buy a Necron Tomb Stalker or Sentinel for 8th, Love the model.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2017 11:03
It's not Saturday yet
You haven't seen one because it doesn't exist.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 11:08
@Kohato what do you think of #313?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2017 11:11
I'm not a fan of an entry for each support system.
But it is rather wonky the way it is
Making the upgradable one default may be best
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 11:12
Not a fan either. I honestly don't know what to do, I just hate having 6 separate stealths w/o any systems
Possibly
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 11:12
why not make their support system group collective?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2017 11:13
Why would you do that?
They can all take different ones.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 11:13
^
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 11:14
actually im not sure if it would work, i havent used collective groups very much
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2017 11:14
So - you could go fancy pantsy. Add a checkbox for "No Support Systems" and hide the other ones if it's checked. Once that's unchecked, the rest show up. Or make the non support system ones hidden until that box is checked.
Collective is for when everything will have the same thing
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 11:15
Oh, nooo I hate hiding :D
Will check
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 11:17
nah, it doesnt work. all entries need the same number of selections
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 11:37
@FarseerVeraenthis it's the whole look, there is a way to do it, you're just too dumb to see it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2017 12:43
confused face righto...
and @Penallegion this is exactly why you should at least ASK the catalogue keeper before doing anything, since they might be working on a big update behind the scenes that would be wasted if you make and merge a change before they finish off... It's difficult to explain exactly what happens, but it is significantly easier to avoid conflicts completely than try to sort them out after the fact. Trust me, I've made exactly that mistake before ("helping out" by making a "simple change" and ruining hours of someone else's work) that sometimes it is best just to speak to the CAT Keeper before doing anything, and if there is any doubt - doing nothing is the correct course of action.
I know there is no conflict in this merge, but the point is, flying in, changing stuff and then merging CAN cause trouble
(so don't risk it :wink: )
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 12:49
holy shit, @alphalas, without context/formatting it looks like you're having a go at simon
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 22 2017 12:52
speaking of which, @alphalas, I'm thinking of doing all the missing/wrong book references for ad.min tonight, or tomorrow morning since I've got half a day off, if you're not on it. Will proofread at the same time.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 12:53
Lol @FarseerVeraenthis i was explaining why I just do the #77 on those bugreps lol - didn't mean to come across at you my bad
@Szeras go for it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 12:54
I was wondering too... but yeah, in that context the sentence makes WAY more sense :P
quotation marks save lives!
t's the whole "look, there is a way to do it, you're just too dumb to see it!"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 12:54
^
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 12:54
And this is why I really shouldn't message on a board at 7:30 local after only getting a couple hours of sleep lol
^that exactly -,-
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2017 12:55
hehehehe!! fortunately, we've had enough chat in here that I knew it wasn't as straightforward as what was actually written
so it's all groovy :smile: we're still buddies :kiss:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 12:57
:+1:
So apparently HH has dropped off appspot
Penallegion
@Penallegion
Jun 22 2017 13:30
@FarseerVeraenthis Well isn 't that the exact reason there are pull requests? I make amendment I make pull request if cat owner is on it he declines request.
But I am getting the hint across the board. I will just ask if anyone needs help via gitter in the future and keep bugs the hell alone 😉
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2017 13:38
heheheh! that's the spirit :+1: yup, if you see a bug that has been open a while and hasn't been assigned or worked on, pop in here and ask the keeper if they've seen it/working on it, if no response take it on, otherwise, hands-off :smile: if Git managed conflicts "better" it wouldn't be a problem, but I'm fairly certain everyone has been burned by a merge-conflict in the past and it's just not pleasant for anyone!
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 22 2017 13:39
Big XML files and merging will possibly never really get along well
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 13:47
i'm just glad that AM should be to the point were i can just yell at dumb users for not updating their data
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2017 13:48
hehehehe!! It depends how much of a kick you get out of it... you could delay a release for a couple of days just to wind up a few more people :wink:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 13:50
well thanks to cartag tunnelvisioning chaos last night Lok and Rex are waiting too lol
:P
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 14:05
Hey, it's not my fault you don't read minds ;)
I'll be trying to finish up FW when I get home tonight, I won't be doing another release until at least 12 hrs from now.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 14:10
:+1:
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:12
Let me know if you need any of the FW stuff testing
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2017 14:12
is someone going to merge that FW pull request that has been open for a couple of days now??
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 14:12
@FarseerVeraenthis it's still in progress
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:12
Have you seen how with the current rules; Thousand Sons and Death Guard can't use any of the Forgeworld Transports? :(
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2017 14:13
righto, so PR #294 is going to be closed? or merged?
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Jun 22 2017 14:13
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:13
aye
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 14:13
merged once he's done.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 14:14
are we also getting a fix on BA,DA,etc. not being able to take FW units?
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:14
I would assume so
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:14
would be pretty retarded if not
also I'd be hella pissed with my commission painted Ravenwing Fire Raptor
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 14:15
i assume DG and TS use the same system for their army lists, havent actually looked at it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:15
thing was expensive as fuck
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:15
Its basically down to the fact that TS and DG in the Index, have a list that specifies which units are allowed to be of the TS or DG legions
i assume DA/BA etc have the same
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 14:16
yeah, BA, DA, GK and DW all do that
oh and SW
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:16
all of which would be fine, you could just bring the transport and not have be part of that legion/chapter
but transports now work off of chapter/legion, so the transport and the unit(s) in it must be of the same legion
and FW models arn't on those above mentioned lists
so FW need to add an exception that over-rules the index's list
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 14:17
yep, and they wouldnt receive any benefits from the abilities of your units
eg. being able to repair them
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:17
yeh
or getting rerolls from a captain and so
on
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jun 22 2017 14:24
@Thairne sounds like you are going to be playing the HH with that thing.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:30
eh... I dont think so :P
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:32
im shit at painting and I like the idea of just having someone else paint all my stuff.... but then i think about how much its costs and how many other models i could buy (and never paint) with the money
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:32
I usually outsource big, expensive models
fucking up a multi-hundred dollar FW model...
also the time required to paint that thing is multiple squads of something else painted
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:33
how much was the model and how much did the commission cost if you dont mind telling us?
and did they also build it?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:33
oof that was some time ago...
yes, they did
I think it cost me about 600€ in total, model included
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:33
ah
i know tat a lot of painters seem to go with % of RRP of the model as a base pricing structure
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:34
Ah
here
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:34
so like 100% of the RRP = table top standard
and work up from there
that looks brill :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:35
depends on what you want
DoI is a really excellent studio that does quality work
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:35
oh you had it done at den of imagination
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:35
that was done on lvl 5 of available 6
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:35
yeh they're pretty top end like
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:35
and yes, the guy they talk about is me :P
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:36
heh
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:36
if i remember right I had libby in TDA and sammy done at that time and tipped a bit of money for pizza for the crew
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:37
aww :)
sometimes the painter gets carried away and paints stuff to a higher level than the customer paid for
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:37

https://youtu.be/bs88redUlxY?t=5m13s

bosses job to fix that...

James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:43
I could just eat some pizza...
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 14:46
Ok thx @Thairne now I need to find where they work - there's some nice girls there xD
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2017 14:47
and now I quite fancy a pizza...
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 14:47
I think I'll order pizza for dinner after work
not had a pizza in ages
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:49
somewhere in poland, far far away ^^
Their team got even bigger with even prettier girls sometimes.. ^^
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 14:51
Well you know I'm PL based, right? <3
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:52
not until now ^^
Torún
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 14:52
Toruń - close enough :D
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:53

I tried ;)

Dont ever get close to Martha. In the years I followed their studio updates, I saw her smile ONCE ;)

Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 14:53
I've gotta get myself a lamp like they use, planning this for like years yet never got to the point of buying
Ohh that's bad :o will remember ;D
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2017 14:54
just imagine.. having a GF like that that can paint shit for you.. to that level...
"Amadeusz, you need to buy more minitatures, I've run out of stuff to paint for you and i want a 6th golden demoin!"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2017 14:56
hahahaha!!
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 14:56
:D crazy
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 15:28
Anyone care to look at https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/issues/313#issuecomment-310411846 ? I can't decide what to do.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 15:31
presumably you have to do it all over again for the fusion blaster variants, that might get messy with the collective versions
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 15:32
Nah
Fusions are only up to 2 guys
1 per 3 men
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 15:33
if it were down to me i would give up trying to do anything collective in that unit
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 15:33
I agree
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 15:33
Oh no, I use them too often :D Can't happen
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 15:34
or you could do it the cartag method, where the wargear isnt a child of the model
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 15:34
i really dislike that method lol
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 15:34
the cartag method
^^ I think it's now official. We should create wiki entry for it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 15:41
idk, it simplifies things, so you dont have menus and sub-menus with stuff all over the place. its just not always explicit who has what, and what gets replaced (if anything)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 15:42
and that's why i don't like it
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 15:42
Yeah, the first part is good, the second is bad.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 16:24
#367 @Szeras the bolt pistols on the cannoness are collective - please make it so they are not.
I'm heading out to the pool with the family shortly so I won't be able to fix it any time soon
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2017 17:54
@amis92 if you're working with small lists then the second (where stuff is individually pointed) isn't bad. If you have loads of minis... the second option is painful.
But easier to choose the options
The only potential issue is where units can have extremely customized individual upgrades. If everything is in "one big pot of upgrades" then the opponent and player may have an issue with what gear is with which model. (Especially without wysiwyg.)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 18:51
I have a method now?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2017 19:20
apparently?
I'm amused because I used stealth suits as my mobile files logic example before I was aware that thing existed
the tricky thing with the XV25 entry is it seems to imply the target lock is an addition to any other support system
as it's a separate line
but it would also fulfill the "may take 1 support system" requirement
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2017 19:25
so I'm still on the fence if it was meant to be additional or not
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 19:27
the shas'vre can take a ML&TL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2017 19:27
and per line one can also take a support system
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2017 19:28
i would assume that's in addition to their other systems
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2017 20:26
I just had a very evil thought
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2017 20:27
Oh?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2017 20:27
the deredeo dreadnought can now be put into a lucius pod
no more taking several turns to enter hellfire carronade range
I'll probably end up using my anvillus one more though
simply because the hellfire carronade doesn't have a non-overcharge option
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 22 2017 22:32
@alphalas any objection to me fixing a small bug in the Assassins file?
The Vindicare hasn't got a profile
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2017 22:38
Again? I've fixed that at least once - go for it
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 22 2017 22:39
Not in the version i have & the cat is still v1
penguin20000 @penguin20000 shrugs
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 22:39
Update yo data :D
/shrug
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 22 2017 22:41
Done
François Beaulieu
@francoisbeaulieu
Jun 22 2017 22:46
Delete and update yo data! ;)
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 22 2017 22:47
Just finished all the FW characters (bar the inquisitors) and sent a pull request. Will get to the rest next week hopefully
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 22:47
I'm on 4/11 of FW Daemon models
correction , 5/11
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 22 2017 22:49
Nice! It's tough going no?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 22:50
Fuck yes it is
You try typing in Aetaos'rau'keres multiple times
And yes, I know, copypasta, but I'm copy and pasting other stuff and it's easier to type than stop my flow and copy
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 22 2017 22:51
I Agree. There's way too much mouse clicking involved for my liking
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 22:55
Damn, Zarakynel (Slaanesh named greater daemon)'s sword:
Melee/Melee/+1/-4/3/Each time you make a wound roll of 4+, damage is 3 MW instead of 3 regular damage
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 22:56
look at an'ggrath
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 22 2017 22:56
...that'll leave a mark
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 22:56
Uh, hello, Khorne guy here, I entered him in first :)
James
@skonk
Jun 22 2017 22:57
10 attacks at str 15 hitting on 2+ with -4 ap and d6 damage each
:)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 22 2017 22:58
@cartag have you tried to play zerker/thirst rush at all?
*thirster
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 22:59
I've only gotten like three games in
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 22 2017 22:59
Ah
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:00
I've been in a weird headspace this week
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 22 2017 23:00
Lame... Supreme Cmd Detachment still broken for deamons
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:01
broken? How?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 22 2017 23:01
It crashes BS on android
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:02
wait a sec, are there any LoW for daemons in teh index?
There aren't
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 22 2017 23:03
No, but it's when I click the + for HQs
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:03
oh duh, different one
that's weird... wonder what's causing it
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 22 2017 23:04
Idk, Beed like that for two versions
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:05
Did you put in an issue for it?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 22 2017 23:06
I didn't because a new version was being released. And I just now found it still there. Idk about iOS tho. And it works fine on desktop
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:06
I'm not even sure what would cause that... unless it's an issue with Be'lakor
iOS works fine
given that there's the ' in his name
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2017 23:06
If I ever did chaos it'd be tzeentch/slaanesh with the zarakynel model as centerpeice
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:06
Are there any other HQs with a ' in their name we can try it on?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 22 2017 23:07
Not that I know of
I'm in class if you want to sumbit a issue
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:08
I have an iPhone and an iPad, no access to an android. Care to make an HQ with a ' and try it out?
nm
that shouldn't matter though given it's the same as everything else...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2017 23:08
try the tau stull
pretty sure the ethereals have the '
but its been a while since I touched them
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 22 2017 23:17
Tau doesn't crash BS for SCD
I'll have to try everything later
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:19
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This is the only model that has The Tainted keyword
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 22 2017 23:20
More to come perhaps
Index's are just layover after all
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:20
Foreshadowing
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2017 23:24
Wasn't he the R&H guy?
from the vraks books
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:24
That was Necrosius, the Undying
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2017 23:24
ah
which book was he originally in then?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 22 2017 23:24
Nm, there are two The Tainted models lol
may be the same one, I dont' remember
I don't play Nurgle
Ugh, I just read a word that I hadn't seen before, but know exactly what it means: Feculent
cartag @cartag shudders