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23rd
Jun 2017
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 00:02
Oh nice, just had a dispatch email for the FW Xenos book
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 00:04
I just got my FW index hardcopy even though I chose standard shipping :D
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 00:04
Does FW do tracking numbers if shipping stateside?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 00:35
depends on the carrier
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 01:42
New fw indexes are available :D
Apparently some of the points costs look mega wrong. 90pts for a malenthrope.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 01:43
Well where are they? :)
You can't just say that and not link them lol
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 01:45
Haha
No?
That's xenos
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 01:46
Yeah man sharing is caring lol
That's guard
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 01:51
you the man
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 01:51
:+1: shit, and it won't load on mobile
Watching Moana, good flick so far
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 01:51
dw @cartag already uploading to my DB
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 01:51
I got it loaded. I had to download it first.
Moana is good. Beats frozen hands down
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 01:52
Indeed
It's the Lin-Manuel touch man
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 01:58
Xenos up, working on guard now
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 02:00
There was me hoping for a price decrease on the barbed hierdule
470pts now
Admittedly it has 22 wounds now hah
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 02:00
And you'll be linking when up, right? :)
there we go, a definitive collection of indecies lol
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 02:05
You rock like an autistic kid on uppers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:06
:+1:
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 02:07
😆
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:08
2 new Cats, GO!
not it on titans
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 02:08
I am not doing R&H
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:08
i nominate @Thairne since he's king mech
i'm not doing R+H either.
i'm not an edge lord :P
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 02:10
Paging @Penallegion, have a file for you lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:10
ah fresh meat lol
damnit @Entropy1986_twitter now i have away stuck in my head
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 02:13
It's a good song
So what's the weapon people have spotted that deals the most damage?
Or should I say model
The hierophant can do 288 wounds with just its 2 cannons in one turn
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:15
there's something that did 144 potentially iirc
shadowsword i think?
so i'm sure one of the titans will do at least 288
Mori Quake Cannon and reaver laser blaster are both macro 3d6, 2d6 damage.
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 02:17
So that's more
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 02:18
I'll check titans when I get to my desk, don't remember if they're live
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 02:18
432 dmg
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:20
so with these 2 books we add 4 new cats.

....fuck you markdown.

nope that one don't work either.
-.-
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:26
i'm gunna be a good little boy and build the new cats on a branch so we can still freely release while i work.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 02:27
I just keep mine local until I'm done
I'm not a good dev
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:27
lol
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 02:27
I use my own rules, because "fuck you, that's why" :)
That and I'm lazy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 02:29
oh my fuck the scorpion grav tank is nuts
Twin Scorpion Pulsar: 60" Heavy 4D6 12, -4, D6 and becomes 2d6 damage on wound rolls of 6
650pts to field one, but damn, it works on anything
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:32
there you go @Entropy1986_twitter the best gun of the game lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 02:36
welp, that solves my next FW order and my 8th edition project
was debating between finishing eldar or doing marine dreads, and with my HH scene going dormant because of 8th looks like I'll be acquiring some eldar SH grav tanks
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 02:45
where is that from @WindstormSCR ?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:48
Look at my DB link
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 02:49
yeah, i got them. i was just asking which book
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:49
Xenos?
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 02:50
Nah that guns only 288 wounds, that quake cannon. Does more
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 02:51
The chicken from Moana is my new favorite Disney character
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 02:51
heavy 4d6 - on 6s does 2d6 damage
granted you gotta roll a shitton of 6s, but potentially more.
heihei is awesome.
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 02:54
Ah the quake cannon is only 6dmg not 2 d6.
So yeah scorpio does More
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 02:55
its the eldar heavy grav tank
I like how it has an invuln based on distance moved
very flavorful and works well with a fast-moving army
Shadow spectres are disgustingly good
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 02:57
That's cool
At 1800 points doubt I'd get to use the nids titan much. Still tempted to get one though. Have to arrange a hell of a apocalypse game
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 03:00
Taunar is pretty good
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:00
FW daemons are uploaded!
and I've still got like 7 more units for FW CSM but I just don't want to do it lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 03:17
@cartag AM index has R&H :fire:
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:18
Already been looking through it :)
I'm not about to do the file though, I know my limits
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 03:18
lol
At this rate I will medically need help with the mobile format files :worried:
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:19
Considering once I upload Dark Mechanicum and the FW file I'll be maintaining 8 files
you have fun with that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:24
@cartag apparently my chaos rhinos are S68
idk if has been brought up
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:27
can you do an issue so I remember it?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:28
lol, yeah
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:30
Does anybody who cares about psykers more than I do think of doing a more concise profile for psykers?
Three columns, Can Cast, Can Deny, Also Knows
Could even do a fourth column called "Smite differences"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 03:33
I did Discipline, powers known, powers cast, deny chances
smite changes are usually contained in individual rules and always work differently
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:34
use: Cast/Deny/Powers Known?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:34
I'm meaning create a new profile completely, like we have Unit, Weapon, Wound Track, etc rather than a huge chunk o' text like it currently has. Turn it into a table. The smite area would be like current weapon info
Magnus: 3 | 3 | 3 Dark Hereticus | -
trying to find one that has modified smite
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:36
Rubrics
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 03:36
Grey knights rite of banishment, Eldar warlocks with destructor
pink/blue horrors
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:36
thousand sons are the only ones i know it modifies smite within the psyker description
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:37
Aspiring Sorcerer: 1 | 1 | - | Damage 1 MW instead of D3, D3 MW instead of D6 if 10+
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:37
all others are an ability
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:37
some daemons do too
I just assumed more factions did that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:37
just create differant smite profiles? one for reg, one for 1/D3
link appropriately
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:38
Not sure how many permutations would be needed
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 03:39
thing is most of the smite adjusters mess with range, cast mechanism, damage, scaling damage, etc
better to leave it as abilities imo
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:39
And? If you have it as a text field you can literally put the sentence in there
one profile instead of two
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:40
Grey Knight have the most variance when it comes to smite mods, but others are pretty bacis from what i remember
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 03:40
some of them are also in USRs for that faction, like GKs
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:40
And some armies don't even use psykers, that's not a reason to not have a profile for them
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:41
tangent @cartag, if you make Coruscating Flames collective (in addition adding it to blue/brimstones) it should solve your pink horror “bug"
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:41
Think I already did that with v5
You didn't do an issue for that one either.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:42
on v4 :/
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:42
shit, I thought I fixed it in there
v4 is what I meant
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:42
oh
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:42
the one I literally just uploaded.
well, 44 minutes ago just uploaded
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:43
oh, i havent copied over. ive been just pulling from appspot
ill look now then
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 03:44
guessing breaks are still borked in BS atm?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 03:44
ok, its fixed in v5 @cartag
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:49
Mockup
image.png
Making it a statline is way easier to read
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 03:57
Now to decide to convert all or hide those until I get the wild hair up my ass to do it
Don't worry, the profile is local to Daemons
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 04:27
the BA are now assembled.
now i just need to finish my preds - then i can go back to sisters
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 04:31
The buddy of mine who wanted to help with AM is submitting a join request
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 04:33
@cartag I like it, I might steal that for mobile if you don't mind
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 04:34
Not at all. We can throw it in the GST if it passes vote
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 04:35
Hrm, traitor knights or imperial knights first, I can't decide
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 04:38
Honestly now that I've gotten AM under control I'm kinda leary of outside help initially
No offense to your friend @cartag
Oh btw supreme command is crashing out iOS rosters for BA
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 04:41
if he still wants to help with AM related stuff can I borrow him for the mobile files? ;P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 04:42
Go for it lol
McChew
@McChew
Jun 23 2017 05:50
Did anybody notice that tanks have different explode rules than dreadnoughts?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 05:51
yeah
there are dozens of divverent variations
*different
between dreads, tanks, bunkers, etc
McChew
@McChew
Jun 23 2017 05:52
somebody should go through and fix these
SM catalog is showing only 1 explode rule right now
land speeders are different too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 05:57
I remember something about using a profile for that instead of a rules text
Can't find the comment in the scrollback
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:07
Not going to lie, i never notice the explode rules were different
McChew
@McChew
Jun 23 2017 06:12
thet 4 different explodes I noticed: land speeders 3" 1 MW, dreadnoughts 3" D3, tanks 6" D3, Land Raiders 6" D6
Crash and burn can be different too
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:15
ill check crash and burn too
McChew
@McChew
Jun 23 2017 06:17
Only crash and burn I noticed so far is SW stormfang gunship 6" D6 instead of D3
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:18
yeah, crash and burn is 6”/D3 for the three SM flyers
there synced… ill just let it go out with the next release
McChew
@McChew
Jun 23 2017 06:23
We'll probably need to check the other catalogs. Noticed the same problem with explodes is CSM
alright good night
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 06:27
Good morning. I am wondering how BSData can avoid copyright issues.
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 06:36
Because battlescribe has not copyright info in it
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 06:37
No, I mean for example, can Games-Workshop not claim copyright on several BSData files contents or the repository?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:40
not 100%, but i believe we are covered under fair use. the data is done by volunteers, there are no monitizations on the data, and there is nothing we are taking away from GW because they do not have a similar product.
there is no infringing happening
tekton
@tekton
Jun 23 2017 06:41
side note: almost done with GK FW cat, will wrap it up in the morning as I'm tired (PDT here and all)- have fun everyone!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:41
yeah im off myself. almost 2am :p
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 06:42
Hmm, the contributors don't earn anything with the files, but battlescribe does, right? So it may be of concern if battlescribe would help contributing files itself? No offence, really, I'm just curious. :)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:43
he doesnt afaik
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 06:44
I wonder if GW will start targeting such apps once they release their own. Although I dunno if the one for AoS is actually paid or free.
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 06:46
Aos has a gw app, they hired, contracted the guy who made the old one
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:47
AoS Data is free tho from them, so not really anything can be done from them in that regard.
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 06:47
Hmm, are you sure it's fair use and not just ignored by GW at the moment? Because if it contains all units, stats, points and special rules, I think it could be argued to take away from their profits.
(because ppl don't need to buy the books then)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:48
i said not 100%
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 23 2017 06:48
I'm pretty sure the same people who don't buy books because of BS would just download pdf scans of the books instead if BS wasn't a thing
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:49
^
looks at my three indexes
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 06:49
Probably, but would that be a valid point in court?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:50
So now im really intrested in why you are asking about the legallities here?
are you afraid to use BS because of such things?
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 06:51
No, I'm having an app which does something similar to BS and I wonder if there is a real legal ground on how BS/BSData operates or if it's all fuzzy and simply ignored by the companies out there
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:52
and what does your app do exactly?
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 06:53
It allows composing tabletop armies on generic rules which would also allow you to form warhammer-compatible armies if you have the proper composer-file
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:53
so exactly what BS does now?
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 06:53
you know, including unit names, stats, equipment, special rules and whatnot
yea, I already said that ;)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:55
preface: noone here is a lawyer. As the dev, if you do not provide any help to the authoring of copyright data, you are not legally tied to anything.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 23 2017 06:55
as long as you don't charge for GWs content, there's nothing illegal
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 06:55
if you have do not gain monitization from copyright data, you are not leagally tided to anything
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 23 2017 06:55
there's a reason BS do not provide data, and repositories need to be added manually
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 06:58
Does it really matter if you release the stuff for free? I mean, copyright doesn't only cover publishing photos of the Index/Codex books, but also if you copy content manually from it and then publish it freely. No?
(don't shoot me, I really don't wanna cause troubles, just wondering)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 07:59
OK, lets look at the reverse - what are GW going to do if they decide they've had enough of BS...??
sue all the data authors?
how can they prove their loss of profits?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 08:00
cease and desist for appspot
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 08:00
so, people can link direct to github
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 08:01
then they'll ask github to take down the repo
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 08:04
ArmyBuilder actually had it out with GW legal in the "bad old days" and the end result of that is the ecosystem we have now where the program developer and the repository creators are not directly linked
They can file cease and desists which won't hold up in court, but at the same time no one can really afford to fight such things nor do companies like github have much inclination to do so
so basically as long as you aren't making money off it, and have a direct disclaimer making sure people understand that it is not a replacement for printed material, GW legal basically doesn't care
they could if they choose make it very difficult to continue to release, effectively shutting down any properly-organized project, but there's actually some proof that doing such a thing would damage them with how many people use listbuilder tools for convenience
Either reputation damage by raising the specter of the "bad old legal GW" or by making it more difficult to actually arrange games with how fiddly listbuilding can get, especially for events.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 08:15
does that answer your questions @BlueCobold ??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 08:15
well if THIS doesnt then I dont know what would..
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:18
most people who use BS or some other list builder app would never rely on it to the point of not having the books
and the ones who are into buying books will just buy the books
the ones who dont buy books would just pirate them
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 08:19
I'm into books. I didnt get the indexes. I'll get a striaght up codex with background, art and the stuff I use in it.
BlueCobold
@BlueCobold
Jun 23 2017 08:19
@FarseerVeraenthis I guess so
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:19
The issue with waiting for the codex....
A lot of AoS players waited
and a codex never happed for thair army
happened^
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 08:19
not my problem then
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:21
So many typos and errors in the Xenos FW index...
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:22
didnt think it was out yet?
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:22
Bought the epub from BL last night, so it must be.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 23 2017 08:22
there are "previews" if you know where to look
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:22
Oh. I dunno about previews. I just bought the thing.
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:23
i assumed it was released tomorrow, maybe they let em out early
seems like they're up on dropbox so they must be out
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:23
Poor Tiger Shark AX-1-0 can't actually fire its guns
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 23 2017 08:23
as far as nids is concerned I'm ... whelmed
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:24
Yeah, I'm notably whelmed for T'au as well
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:24
can one be just "whelmed" ?
i know i could be overwhelmed or underwhelmed... but is it ok to just be.... whelmed
hmm, my Remora dones seem pretty shit now
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:29
Stick 'em with a Coldstar + DC to make them mildly less ass, but... yeah, not so great.
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:29
they lost their markerlights....
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 23 2017 08:30
I think it's "ok" to be whelmed, it must be
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:30
One of the things I really don't like: some models have, say, the "Target Lock" rule, but aren't mentioned as having a Target Lock piece of wargear. However, Target Lock is a piece of wargear that costs points. I'd much rather they just said "equipped with two long-barrelled burst cannons and a target lock." instead of just leaving it in the abilities section
It's me being pedantic, but I'm not a fan of it
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:31
yeh
Im just miffed that the model it's self has 2 markerlights on it
as in physically modelled with them
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:31
And it's lost them from rules? Yeah.
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:31
yeh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 08:32
Tetras are still pretty good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 08:32
and hazards came away from things looking fairly shiny
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:32
@Szeras heh
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:32
Issue I have with Hazards currently: I think I'd rather just take a Commander
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:32
I guess PL 3 makes the remora fairly cheap tho
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:33
Remoras clock in at, like, 87 ppm though
So realistically not that cheap if you're not using PL
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:34
meh
they also got nothing to replace the loss of shrouded
they have deepstrike, using stealth in the name of the rule
but they had DS in 7th and shrouded
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 08:34
Tetras can deep strike now
and lost their homing beacons
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 08:36
what made them good in 7th was that for the same cost roughly as a unit of 10 fire warriors, they would statistally land the same number of wounds as a unit of 10 fire warriors (not in rapid fire range) while also have 2 markerlights that they could self-consume, seeker missiles, shrouded and the mobility of a flyer/skimmer
now they just seem pointless
which is a shame cos i have 4 of them (only paid for 2 tho, got sent a second set due to the the first having a lot of bubble holes due to old moulds)
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 09:18
lol @ Renegades - first time they have to take a morale test they have to roll a D6 and add 2 and thats the Ld value for that unit for the rest of the game
could end up with LD 3 for the entire game
and how the arse are you supposed to track that across an entire army
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 09:22
that's what they've always had
but it used to be D6+4
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 09:23
ah
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 09:24
there were ways to manipulate it in 7th, like chaos sigils, vox casters, demagogues
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 09:24

“COVENANT OF TZEENTCH
Any INFANTRYunit with this keyword gains +1 to hit when firing Overwatch”

Excerpt From: Games Workshop Ltd. “Imperial Armour - Index: Forces of the Astra Militarum.” iBooks.

problem with that is the overwatch rule in the core rule book says always on a 6 regardless of modifiers
should have worded that differently, needs to say "overwatch hits on a 5+"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 09:25
well this is FW, you cant expect them to understand the core rule-set
yeah, that's how its worded on dire avengers - "overwatch hits on 5+"
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 09:28
yeh same with Typhus' new Pistol attack
this weapon always hits on a 5+, even during overwatch
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 09:40
just reading through more index stuff, I think O'Ralai is the best character tau have now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 09:41
are we good to go for a release, or are people still working on issues?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 09:41
guy is scary, and what's worse is my friend I play against has been using him since 5th :(
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 23 2017 09:47
@alphalas Initial pass of page reference data entry completed
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 09:51
@thairne, do you have any changes for DA before the next release?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 09:51
nothing open that I'm aware off
oh crap
there's an issue!
gimme 2 and a half minutes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 09:52
okay cool, was just going to point out that version number hadnt been incremented
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 09:52
that can be fixed as well
there you go
all done and ready and incremented and purged and loyal
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:12
FW monstrous scytals have a different profile to the codex ones...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:17
is Aeldari having its own FW CAT, if so, what shall it be called??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 11:17
FW pointy eared basterds
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:18
interesting...
although, possibly not family friendly
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:18
if its craftworlds, drunkharry, or harlequins it goes in their CAT
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 11:18
so guessing bluecobold had more than a passing interest in legality
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 11:19
FW Space Tree Huggers Who Hate-Fuck Chaos Gods Into Existence
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 11:19
drunkharry
interesting
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:19
if its a separate faction, tthey get their own file
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:19
what abouyt the corsairs...?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:19
what faction(s) are they?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:20
Aeldari, Anhrathe, <coterie>
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:20

Anhrathe

bless you

yeah, looks like they get their own CAT
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:21
:worried: there are three datasheets
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 11:22
Yeah, Corsairs got mildly shafted
Apparently, so did RnH
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:22
but, perhaps it time there will be more... #waitforthecodex
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:22
i heard dkk got gutted too, but i havent taken a look yet
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:23
I think "mildly shafted" is a contender for understatement of the year
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 11:26
The FW indexes have thus far been thoroughly whelming and exactly what a lot of people expected in regards to them losing a lot of fun fluff/flavour and being just generally rushed.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:26
what does whelming even mean??
are you certain you don't mean underwhelming??
anyway, yes, #waitforthecodex but with FW, that could be a looooong wait
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:27
i think it just means satisfying
neither OTT, nor boring
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:28
well... according to dictionary.com: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/whelming
it appears to be a shortening of overwhelming... so I'm glad for @bitjump to have been thoroughly overwhelmed by the index, I didn't realise they were that good/big
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 11:31
lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 11:31

overwhelmed
underwhelmed
wilhelmed

I'm sorry. I'm tired. I'll see myself out.

Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:31
over ground, under ground, wombling free??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:32
@Thairne, did you look up the definition of that before you posted?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 11:32
no
and I suddenly have a sinking feeling I should've...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:33
hahahahaha
yup, definitely should have checked it first :wink:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 11:33
what the actual fuck...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 11:33
hehehehehe!!!!
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 11:33
No, I'm not overwhelmed, I just got... exactly what I expected
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 11:33
so... you're General Wilhelmed?
Shot your own foot there..
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 11:33
which was a whole lotta nothing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 11:34
in general wilhelmed.
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 11:34
Reading the xenos index now...
Hmmm.. next time I'm at WW I should pick up a Tantalus
Now let's see what happened to my corsairs
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 11:34
Don't do it to yourself
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 11:37
And not sure how I feel about the R'Varna...Still going to use it however, one of my favourite models: https://sketchfab.com/models/8d137931468a428eb7fd80676c610ce5
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 11:38
Corsairs should get better with an actual FW book in the future, but at least its supported
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 11:38
When they mentioned about Xenos and the other book not being out on launch, I was a tad nervous and expecting them to be rushed/poor. Initial glances at Xenos kinda seem like that rings true
R'varna looks reasonable
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 11:38
@ddarz it's a pretty good platform even at 400pts+
It does remove more on average than a knight which it cost-competes with in that department
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 11:39
You are right, I'm reading and re-reading the profile and liking what I am seeing
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 11:39
the MW novas in melee is pretty nice to keep things from wanting to touch it
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 11:39
I'm expecting its guns to chunk
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 11:39
toughness 8!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 11:41
@Entropy1986_twitter I'm not sure what he was expecting honestly. A major part of the reason GW legal doesn't take an interest in battlescribe is that it makes no effort to "Look official" or in legal terms "Assosciate with the stylings of the IP"
meaning no images or use of the 40k brandmark which they do have a duty to defend the use of
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:42
of the things listed we only do 1 - points values and profiles
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 11:42
just saw that, plus wasn't there adverts on the site too?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 11:43
and even that with a big fat "this is for ease of use and might have errors, check your book!"
I'm not sure, I never really used it
if it did that would be a big reason why
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 11:45
It also had what looked like stock images on there too, which were probably owned by GW, not a great start all round, Only used it once.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:45
if its the one im thinking of, he take donations via patreon
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 11:45
yup he was
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 11:45
the other thing about battlescribe is that it's nearly impossible to suppress. They can't go after jon because he insulates himself, and all you need to post a set of files is a mega link and a reddit thread.
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 11:46
27 patrons wont be getting much return lol
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 11:46
i'm sure he made a quick buck or two. Not sure what the hosting costs will have been though
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 11:46
heck I'd like 27 patreons that pay me a dollar each for my work :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 11:46
I'm surprised he didn't read up about the old armybuilder/AB40k troubles
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 11:46
Plus, realistically... BS is the go-to army builder at this point, and the only reason they'd go after BS at this point is to attempt to refocus market share onto their own platform if and when that's online
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 11:46
27 dollars is 27 dollars
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:46
27 dollars per..?
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 11:46
Which I don't see them really doing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 11:47
anything
its 27 dollars then I get now
*more
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 11:47
They're smart enough to know they just need to make it and make it "official" and it'll get uptake
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 11:47
per month, thats assuming they only put $1
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:48
yeah, battlescribe is well cemented. they would get a lot of backlash if they forced us to stop making data for it
Daniel Mudd
@btjmp
Jun 23 2017 11:48
Yeah, it'll get plenty of uptake if they push it heavily through WHTV and Community
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 11:48
There are some features I wish we could thieve off lone wolf's armybuilder, I used that for a looong time before maving to BS because of mobile/tablet access
Actually that's the best route I can see them taking. LWD already has a program for working with content companies with HeroLab and Paizo/Pathfinder stuff
who knows
still must suck to see all that work and effort get canned
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 11:51
yeah, it does suck for him, but GW have to protect their property
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 11:52
At least they seem to be a bit less zealous than "old gw"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 11:52
Yeah late to the party but that listbuilder site was a takedown waiting to happen. All the images were GW stock
I played with it a bit - everything was GW stock images, and he had a blatantly obvious Patreon linked directly to it
Also DKOK and Elysians seem to be roughly the same as previously- I'll take a better look at them when I start making the cats
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 12:00
what? that horrible website got ceased?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 12:02
yeah, the CnD is posted up a bit - the 4chan link
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 12:03
ah... somehow passed that
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 12:03
on the site too
still with all the donate links
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 12:04
collaboration
that guy had some delusions of grandeur..
also calling BS total bullshit does not garner him any sympathy points
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 12:07
Yup
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 12:07
To be fair, the output is ugly as hell currently
Which is why we're trying to get @Jonskichov to fix the HTML output
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 12:08
BTW guys I'm moving house next week. So might not have real access to an Internet connection for a week or so.
So someone may need to pickup the SW bugs if any more come in next week
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 12:09
I dunno.. I never had many problems with the output... sure I'd wish it wouldnt print one entry over several pages, but otherwise..
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jun 23 2017 12:12
@alphalas I did the ad.min page references this morning, BSData/wh40k#393 , didn't get to look at the bolt pistols. (not sure if I left a message about it earlier or not)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 12:23
I fixed the cannoness last night
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 23 2017 12:24
Ey, ey , know wot I mean :wink: :wink:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 12:24
hehehehe
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jun 23 2017 12:24
Someone had to.
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 12:34
Wow, the corsair's brace of pistols took a hit...
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 12:35
my Leviathan Dread has arrived :) hope my magnets turn up too so i can get it built
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 12:36
And their "Dancing on a blade's edge" morale rule makes no sense...If I am reading it right
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 12:38
paste it so i can have a looksie
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 12:39
When making morale tests, a unit with this ability may roll an additional dice and discard the lowest result, but if any models flee from the unit due to the result of the test, the number of fleeing models is increased by +1.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 12:40
So they're guaranteed to loose models pretty much?
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 12:42
what baffles me is.. why would I ever choose to roill an additional dice?
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 12:42
guessing your meant to discard the highest, but you loose the extra one if you still fluff it
but untill faq thats shit
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 12:43
they mist have made a mistake. It's eihter "Must roll a second and discard lowest", or "roll 2 discard highest"
second case makes more sense due to the penatly if you still fail it
sigh
ok, to summarise, the Eldar corsair list is no more. For now at least
Only 3 units made it out of the whole list
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 12:53
@ddarz now you join RG and Orks in the wait for new variant armylists
the kastorel-novem stuff was great and I need my 10th company dudes again :(
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 12:54
What exactly are you doing for the mobile format repo? Just taking what we do here and stripping it?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 12:57
From what he was saying earlier it sounds like for most everything he's starting from scratch
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 13:06
y tho
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 13:08
because submenus on mobile are ass
anything older than absolutely brand new tech likes to pause for a while to think between menu layers
so I've been working the unit to adjust on a single selection layer
a decent example: BSData/wh40k-mobile-format#8
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 13:10
Reading the Astra Militarum list now. The elysians are a mixed bag. No word on my D-99 regiment
Also where on the lightning's model is this "Long-barelled autocannon" it supposedly has? Not that I am complaining mind you
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 13:11
I think they just rolled the Lightning and Lightning II into one entry now
before they used to be separate
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 13:12
I think it's supposed to be chin mounted?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 13:15
it was under fuselage on the old lightning II
the voss pattern doesn't have it
@Thairne did that example help a bit?
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 13:17
oh shit yeah, had forgotten about that. Damn that thing was fugly
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 13:18
I don't doubt I might end up borrowing some rules content from this set just to save a little sanity, but the selection logic for mobile ends up being very different, but much faster for mobile listbuilding
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 13:18
Bumbabumbabum bumbumbumbum
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 13:18
this set is still vastly superior for tournament output and printsheets though
Neat
Just won an auction for a scorpion type II :D
soon :tm:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 13:19
And I have the ducktales theme stuck in my head lol
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 13:20
Have you heard it with the new cast? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZek9PFMYOw
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 13:21
yeah, now I read it again, that Corsair rule is complete nonsense, especially since they have pretty low leadership in the first place (6 / 7 for the felarch)
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 13:21
i can't wait to get my kid to watch the reboot
just so i have an excuse as a fully grown man to watch it
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 13:22
Also, I never noticed how much Kate Micucci sounds like a cartoon character to begin with.
You dont' need an excuse. Ducktales was an amazing cartoon, you can get away with it. It's how I justify watching Animaniacs still.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 13:22
Lol yeah I'm totally pumped for new ducktales
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 13:22
oh man Animaniacs was ace
Also this theory excites me more
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 23 2017 13:23
I see. I'm a desktop man, so I dont really care about mobiles anyway :P
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 13:25
anyone notice that the VEndetta is now back to 12 troops capacity...?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 13:33
right then, plenty of datasheets for me to load, I think I'll do the Corsair CAT first, that'll take about five minutes, although Aeldari soup armies only atm since they don't have a HQ... 2 x Troops and a Fast Attack (Plenty of special weapons though)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 13:43
i dont think FW really get the whole <Keyword> idea
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 13:44
well, #waitforthecodex... but yes, it would have been nice to see a little more "obvious" collaboration between GW & FW
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 13:45
"... all models in your army with the same <HIVE FLEET> keyword..."
isnt it supposed to be "... all <HIVE FLEET> models in your army..."
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 13:47
All friendly <hive Fleet>
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 13:54
has anyone noticed that the Phantom Titan has 60 wounds, and a frankly daft 28" movement
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 13:55
That's about what size I expected it to be
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 13:55
hang on, the Revenant can move 32" a turn...
+18" if it Advances
who needs a 50" move?!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 13:57
its a lot of movement, but with titans no longer pasting infantry by the bucket that movement scale is prettty much wasted on normal tables
I think its more for sense of scale and for much larger table or floor games where that distance will be relevant
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 13:58
yeah, i imagine its still silly points, so i wouldnt expect to see one in less than 10k
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 13:59
tbh I need a better set of side-on shots to judge the thing, it feels too chunky for its legs from that picture
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 13:59
I saw that dread at Warhammer Fest. At the time I was sure it was the same size as a Leviathan... I guess I was wrong
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 13:59
rev is 60 PL, Phantom is 140 PL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 14:00
did it look better in person than the pictures are showing at least?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:00
slighlty
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 14:00
Rev is 1,200 points!!
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 14:00
It kinda did. Lots and lots of weapon options, and seems much more posaable than the original stumpy
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 14:00
Phantom is 2,370
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 14:01
Warhound is 1500, reaver is 2500, warlord is 4000, for the sake of comparison
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:01
looked better with some other guns, apparently that front bit can open up to reveal the sargophagus
All the pictures they've took of the new dread have been from rubbish angles
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 14:02
that's comforting I was planning on getting one if the weapons worked well with my needs, and getting a repulsor for my DI intercessors
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 23 2017 14:02
wow, those titans are as expensive in points as they are in cash...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 14:02
I've built a warlord on comission. never again
too much fiddly work
the casting gate cutoffs alone weighed 35lbs
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:06
ahh the FW free resin program
arms were a trip to make interchangeable
lathe-cut stainless pins inside brass bushings
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:09
anyone else watching the GW stream on Twitch?
ddarz
@ddarz
Jun 23 2017 14:10
no at the moment, anything good?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:11
NIds vs AM commentary is gold
Duncan & Chris as Rob is manning the cameras
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 14:13
swarmlord vs powerlifters = RIP powerlifters
lol
thanks, this was the pick me up I needed this morning
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:17
:D
No idea what's actaully going on in the game really. But it's funny
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 14:20
ah, are they showing off some FW units from the new indexes?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:24
don't think so. they look like standard units to me
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 14:25
powerlifter isnt FW?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 14:26
powerlifter is FW
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:26
think they were just normal sentinals
?
idk, i'm only half watching as i'm working at the same time
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 14:32
"each wound roll of 6+ made with this weapon is resolved at Strength x2" - Forge World, 2017
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 14:32
the second set of indexes seem to have been rush jobs
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 14:34
yeah, its unfortunate. there's so many little things they've missed that completely breaks some units
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 14:34
like this little conundrum:
flat 3 damage, but then read the special
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 14:35
well you see the thing is... slams the door and runs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 14:35
are 'cuda's any good?
what do you guys think?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 14:41
i can't watch the stearm righ now my connection's being shit
stream*
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:41
I think they pretty much admitted they were rush jobs at the Warhammer Fest Seminars
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 14:41
...dat's a lot of 'urty stuff
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 23 2017 14:41
2 squads of 3 spectres, 1 has the exarch
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:42
the last one had only been sent to the printers the Friday before
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 14:42
baracuda basically looks like a riptide on wings
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:43
Still need to build my new one
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 14:43
i have 2 and a body blank - might try to sell the body blank if the rules are good enough
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:44
I packed all my 40k up last night for the move & assembled it in one place. The wife's face when she reaslised how much stuff i have lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 14:44
all old cudas though
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 14:44
have an old one too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 14:46
looks like its about the same points cost as a riptide too
Stuart Parry
@8bitJesus_twitter
Jun 23 2017 15:38
hey all o7 - I'm looking to help out with the Tau Forgeworld points for battlescribe, I was pointed in this direction from reddit
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 15:41
So offically @Bitjump is the main keeper for tau, but @amis92 and @penguin20000 have both worked on it too. If anyone's working on Tau at the moment it's like to be one of those
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 15:51
I see you guys talking about FW Xenos rules. Do we have them at this point? Could someone share them with me, so I can get started on Orks?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 15:52
they're on alpha's db if you still have the link to that
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 15:53
I don't. Not sure why I never save it. he posts it here, and I grab what I need.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 15:53
I think @amis92 is currently doing stuff in the Tau catalogue
Stuart Parry
@8bitJesus_twitter
Jun 23 2017 15:53
Yeh, I got my copy from the iBooks store, that's why I figured I'd help out. If someone's already working on it, it's all good :)
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 15:55
Ah. Finally got Gitter to work we me, so I could scroll up and find it. Thanks.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 15:55
yeah i saw he was doing stuff with stealth suits, didnt know if he was doing anything beyond that - ie. FW units
bookmark it @tag8833
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 15:59
Got it. Thanks.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 23 2017 16:04
i have no plans to do the FW for Tau, i mean i would but i've just not got the time currently.
Double check with @amis92 and @Bitjump
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:04
image.png
Holy crap that is alot of PL.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:05
warlord titan is 200 power :D
reaver titan is 125 i think
so not actually that much compared to the big boys
i think the harridans power/points is slightly screwy, its 32 PL but 830pts
Peter Zaitcev / [USSX] Hares
@USSX-Hares
Jun 23 2017 16:08
what's the range between minimal and maximal wargears in points?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:09
0
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:09
Yeah at 32 PL Harridan might be pretty busted. 30" movement and it can charge.
The Scythed Hierodule got a kick in the nads with the nerf boot it definitely didn't need. 8" range on its gigantic flamer.
Definitely less quality control went into the FW books.
tekton
@tekton
Jun 23 2017 16:13
...yes; very yes.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:16
yeah, we were discussing this earlier. for example there's a weapon which strength changes if you roll a 6 to wound
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 16:17
i can't believe i'm saying this - i miss bligh
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:17
There are also stats and points that don't make much sense, and some abilities that were copy and pasted without any consideration to see if they made sense.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:18
oh yeah, a single scything talon has a points cost, despite nothing being able to take just one
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:18
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 16:18
so um, i think it's about time we take FW's ruleswriting licence away
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 16:19
You seen malenthrope power to points?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:19
What good do the KFF rules do on a model that can't take a KFF.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:19
rofl, didnt even notice that when i put it in
90pts to 10 power
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:20
I saw it's PL and realized it was completely worthless this edition. I guess maybe the points might be worth reconsidering, though i doubt it.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:22
hmm, its 3x the points of a venomthrope but it has synapse and its shrouding affects all units, not just infantry
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:22
All units, not just infantry? Well that changes a bunch. I hadn't had a chance to read that closely yet.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:24
yeah, and its a character, so it cant be picked off as easily
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:25
I rescind my dismissal. I think that guy will find his way into many lists.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:26
i would image you take a couple of those guys in addition too venoms, rather than instead of
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:31
LOL. Poor Dark Eldar. Only 2 models.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:32
really?
i can only think of 1 DE FW model
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 16:34
flyer and tantalus iirc
hmm flyer is gone - only the reaper and tantalus
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:35
reaper is the one with the massive gun sticking out the front isnt it?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 16:36
yup
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:36
FW 'Ard case costs 3 points. GW 'Ard Case is free. Awesome.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 16:36
tantalus is the catamaran
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 16:36
oh the double hull, that one
what vehicle is that for tag?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:37
Probably a Big Trakk
Gun Wagons are gone entirely. Sad.
I have 6 of them built.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 16:38
here's a question - units that are called out as being useable for Elysians - (EX Master of fleet and valks) should i copy-paste them into elysian?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:38
Nope. not the Big Trakk. It is for the BW w/ Killkannon
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 23 2017 16:40
Yeah got my malenthrope on order, and a Dimachaeron......
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 16:45
@alphalas I think I would if I were you
either that, or put Elysians in the Astra Militarum file
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 17:02
well it specifically calls out units as loosing <regiment> or Aeronautica imperialis for Elysians, so copy-paste it is.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 17:04
Do we know how long until we can start showing categories in output? I was wondering if it might be worthwhile to add empty rules that were just named with the key word.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 23 2017 17:05
Jon's working on it
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 23 2017 20:47
Just giving heads up - #418 - I'm doing Tau FW ( @8bitJesus_twitter )
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 20:51
Has anyone seen a way to dynamically add a category. Or am I just missing something...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 20:53
nope, you cant change categories on the fly
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 20:54
hey guys. I just got the ITC tournament 8th ed guidelines.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 20:54
And?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 20:54
The thing that might be useful to BS users is the faction breakdown: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16p0r1w3IHR2xGrIGpWREMhs9Amnqzbti6TGG8-xiSyE/edit?usp=sharing
I think it would be useful if we included a No Force Org selection for any Cat that contains multiple sub-factions. I know we can't enforce this, but I think it might still be useful for End users.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 20:57
whats the context on this chart?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 20:58
It will be how they identify factions for faction rankings in the ITC (A large tournament group that is run by a few of the playtesters)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 20:58
Probably for making Battle-Forged armies?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 20:58
Yeah, basically it is a way to identify what is taking the place of <Clan> or <Chapter> in a roster.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 20:59
So, no Nihilakh Dynasty it's just "Necron"
No bloodaxe, just Orks?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 21:00
yeah, clans and chapters and the like dont actually do anything atm
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:01
Arg.
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The chart isn't 100% clear, but I believe that the ITC plans to rank players based on the individual subfactions, so Necrons would be ranked in 4 groups for instance, with one of them essentially being "other"
That gives players the ability to say, "I'm the best Sautekh" player
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 21:03
the second column is GW faction, not ITC faction
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:03
That is how it is labeled. Based on my conversations with them, I think it both. I could be wrong. I'll verify.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 21:04
so if you bring a "Sautekh army", you'll just get lumped in with all the other necrons
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:04
Accompanying the chart was this document:
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OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 21:05
The chart appears to reorganize the "faction keywords" into a more lumped together conglomeration.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:05
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OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 21:06
Ahh, this is just organizational from a player ranking perspective.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 21:07
yeah, looks like it
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:07
Yeah.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 21:08
slightly odd that hive fleet players are in the same pool as mixed nids players
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 21:09
Yep. Came up in Reddit earlier.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 23 2017 21:09
It might've been pretty, but it did bake data in
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 21:09
ah yeah, cant say he didnt see it coming though
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:09
Yeah, the Cease and dissist letter and the response to it was interesting.
Also, seems pretty understandable in light of how he was using GW artwork.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 23 2017 21:10
I don't like this guy since I read on his page just now "this BattleScribe bullshit"
Well we might have to actually do something with these factions
But let's do it with a plan
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 21:10
"Those lists are UGLY as hell."
yeah, probably because we dont infringe copyright
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 23 2017 21:11
yeah
I think No Force Org should stay as a units' category
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:11
Definitely. I was thinking we might all copy basically the faction choice in the Blood angel cat
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 23 2017 21:11
Let's create some Options category, or Setup or something
Didn't look at it
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:12
I'm sure other cats have it to, but I've been using some blood angels, so I keep seeing it.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 21:12
well if categories start going on the output wont all that be all we need?
or am i missing something?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 21:12
Would it be useful to anyone else to be able to dynamically modify or add a category to a unit (from a pre-existing list of categories)? (I.e. Add Tzeentch for example to a Daemon prince...) (change category from heavy to elite)
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:12
It's to hand the generic categories like <Chapter> or <Clan>
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 23 2017 21:12
No, I think we need something to declare what subfaction given detachment is of
that ^
@OftKilted rather easier to just show/hide them in different categories
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 21:14
@amis92 do we have an example using categories that is doing that?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 21:14
yeah, changing FOC is just a matter of putting the primary category on the link and then using show/hide
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 23 2017 21:15
There were things like that in 7th ed files, in 8th nothing I know of
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 21:15
I've been playing with categories as keywording.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 21:15
CSM do it with world eaters / emp children
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 23 2017 21:16
@tag8833 yeah I think it should be similar to Blood Angels. But in a separate category.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:16
Sure
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 21:16
@GenWilhelm I'll take a peek at what the CSM did. Thanks :+1:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 23 2017 21:17
I'll get to it tomorrow, I'm off to some sleep now after crushing Wraithknight and Crimson Hunter in single turn with 2 Ghostkeels and Longstrike and 3x double-fusion Crisis suits :D <3
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 23 2017 21:17
:thumbsup:
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 23 2017 21:24
@amis92 have fun wrecking face :)
cdnicaise
@cdnicaise
Jun 23 2017 21:38
Yo just wanted to say thanks to all you guys for the battlescribe work. Makes 40k much more fun
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 22:29
Can someboyd help me come up with a better response to #421 than this?
I would assume you are competent enough to realize when it says "Replace one X with Y" you can know to not count the default one when figuring out attacks. The only work around is a WAY more complicated setup, which would then lead to people bitching that they have to do even more work.
@OftKilted @GenWilhelm for Chaos stuff like Daemon princes I have a "Daemonic Allegiance" selection which includes the keyword for K/N/S/T in the choice, which should then transfer to parent
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 23 2017 22:34
i did the same thing for the wings on the hive tyrant - i put the fly category on the wings entry - but then i got a bug report saying tyrants with wings dont have the fly keyword
i cant actually see the category output, so i have no idea how it works
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 23 2017 22:46
did you really grammer nazi me @FarseerVeraenthis lol
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 23:26
Leviathan Dreadnaught is almost done, 4 out of the 6 weapons magnetised...
Dreadnought^
cartag
@cartag
Jun 23 2017 23:30
:+1:
I may have just traded off my Memoir '44 collection for the two recent Warhammer Quest games
James
@skonk
Jun 23 2017 23:31
:)