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26th
Jun 2017
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 00:33
BSData/wh40k-mobile-format#38
if you want a laugh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 00:33
facepalm
if that fucker posts it here, i'm totally having @Kohato post the response.
i need some alcohol - tonight's one of those rare nights i'm in a piss-poor mood for no real reason.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 00:35
I'm in a poor mood because thousand sons blue seems to love clogging my airbrush even with a thinner mix
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 00:35
i appologize ahead of time if I'm beligerant to anyone.
ewww
that sucks.
if i can sell my guard i want to buy a iawata neo brush
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 00:36
I have a badger that's pretty nice
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 00:36
I said fuckit and now I'm using the housepaint sprayer I have
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 00:36
lmao
that's kinda funny using a housepaint sprayer for models.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 00:36
actually worked pretty well believe it or not
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 00:37
i believe it.
still funny as shit lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 00:37
its a central pneumatic, using a 1/1 tamia X20 and Thousand sons mix
the other brush was clogging even with a 3:1
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 00:37
goes to harborfreight.com to investigate lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 00:38
thats where I got it from, $20 and a damn sight easier than the actual precision airbrush....
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 00:39
lol i know - i know HF to know well enough the CP/chicago eletric are HF specials lol
the electric one?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 00:39
sec
I'll take a photo
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 00:41
ok it's a detail car sprayer
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 00:41
I was using it for housepaint months ago
but hey, it handles GW base paint
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 00:42
nice.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 00:43
just get some tamiya thinner or similar and 1:1 mix it
using about 30 psi on the gauge for the compressor
i'd have personally gone with that one and the disposable cups.
granted it's a much higher capacity, but simplicity lol
i also use to spray cars for my dad so i have automotive experience lol
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 26 2017 02:31
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 02:32
yup lol
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 26 2017 02:32
Way to go Forgeworld. The Tau Flier can't shoot it's guns. LOL.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 02:32
:+1:
No, it can... it just can't move before doing so
oh wait
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 02:32
that was actually an issue the first time around with the ax too
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 02:32
flyer... don't mind me, I'm... medicated
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 02:32
that isn't a new issue for that specific model lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 02:42
I hate my friend
"Reivers look a little... Mediocre, currently."
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 02:45
lmao that's great.
i didn't make that connection yet
scuttles awae to make meme
away*
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 05:56
I mean, it's fine that forge world sometimes doesn't know what's going on at GW, but that is no excuse for the fact that some of their OWN rules don't add up! I mean it's also cool that they make awesome models and stuff, I just wish they did it properly..!!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 26 2017 08:17
anyone know where I can find that thing from #419? Not in the knights cat...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 08:31
He is a forgeworld Knight according to Google... Otherwise, ask for more information :+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 26 2017 08:31
yes, I got that far :P but there is no fw knight cat
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 26 2017 08:32
so probably just normal Knight cat. Questor whatever?
Or maybe it's chaos version...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 08:33
oh yes, good call
you could search Fusil in the XML
I don't know what weapon that is...
(I don't think I'm really helping)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 10:16
im thinking about cleaning up the psychic power profiles in the gst.
the "Psychic Power (Attack)" type is now defunct isnt it, since powers dont make shooting attacks anymore?
and with the regular "Psychic Power" type, do we still use the "Power Category" field?
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 10:21
ah nice, BS update
the faction list is proper sorted now
so the prefixing of the factions is doing its job now :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 10:23
nice, no more pressing i to flick through imperium to find the faction i want :D
oh no... forces are sorted too
hmm, actually that may not be a bad thing
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 10:26
It's at least predictable like that
i think with the detachment list I'd rather it selected the most common one (battalion i guess?) by default
but then again, that may be the one i use the most but not be for others
so alphabetical is prolly best
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 26 2017 10:34
it autoselects the last used detachment
so... I think that's fine
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 10:37
ah, didnt realise it did that
its not doing that for me
even within the same session, if I add a detachment then hit the button to add another, it defaults back to Airwing
it only auto selects if I'm nesting a detachment into a detachment to do the multi-faction thing
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 10:40
it only autoselects if my last was Unbound, otherwise it goes to Airwing
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 26 2017 10:55
@GenWilhelm you the one that did the FW Nids? If so, the 2 hierodules are missing Instinctive behavoir
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 10:58
ah, so they are. thanks for the heads up :)
good old FW, not following conventions
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 26 2017 10:58
:D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 11:05
anyone else getting a bug where starting a roster deletes a random CAT?
usually Ynnari or FW Corsairs
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 26 2017 11:08
They might be corrupted?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 11:08
data editor doesnt say anything
and i can start a roster with them if they're the first faction i add
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 26 2017 11:09
sounds like Moar BS bugs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 26 2017 11:10
Cat is corrupted.
It will move to a backups folder
With a string of numbers
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 11:14
okay, but it only deletes one of them at a time
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 11:54
urgh... that's probably me being clever, or trying to be...
I started with the Ynnari CAT because I thought then all the weapons profiles will be in there, opened it, then "Saved As" to create the Corsairs CAT...
it wasn't until I was about to commit that I realised it had deleted the Ynnari CAT
so I discarded the change to the ynnari CAT and kept the addition of the Corsairs
obviously it didn't all happen as cleanly as that, even though it looked fine on git
what do we do now?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 11:59
looks like it a simple case of 2 CATs with the same ID
generating a new ID for the corsair CAT seems to have fixed it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 12:00
ahhhh!! of course they would have the same ID - they started from the same place
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 12:02
hmm, battlescribe used to throw up an error when two CATs had the same ID
oh well, glad we got to the bottom of that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 12:08
phew
every day is a learning day
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 26 2017 12:22
ok @FarseerVeraenthis could you fix that ID and push and release ASAP? We should minimize victim count.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 12:23
I think @GenWilhelm just re-generated the ID didn't he?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 12:25
i can do it if you want
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 12:25
I'm at work so I won't be able to do it until I get home
if you're onit, that would be ace
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 12:26
:+1:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 12:27
yeah, looks like I managed to sneak the Corsair CAT into Alphas' release about midnight last night
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 12:27
Yeah there was someone asking about astartes FW and I didn't remember if it was in that release or not.
I should be able to finish Elysians and point them today - once it's pointed I'll copypasta the stuff that needs to go into AM on my branch and just upload Elysians to master
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 12:31
but yes, I completely forgot/didn't know about generating a new ID
it doesn't seem to have been picked up by appspot et though since I just refreshed my data and the Corsair CAT doesn't seem to be there
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 12:33
alright, its done and released
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 12:33
:+1:
thank you very much!!! :+1: :smile:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 12:33
no worries :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 12:35
nice release title
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 12:35
thanks, i try :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 12:36
Anyone still have a link to that FB thread about abilities vs wargear?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 12:37
dankeschoen
saw another ork player bitching about buzzgob having the kff ability but no wargear to go with it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 12:39
but the KFF ability says "If this model is equipped with a KFF..."
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 12:56
oh, Kustom Force Field
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 13:02
righto, so, Forgeworld FTW again... they should either specify that he definitely HAS a KFF, or change the wording to remove the IF at the start of the sentence
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 13:03
yeah, exactly
looks like they straight copied it from other big meks, who have the option to take a KFF
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 13:04
agreed
i'd still argue that he probably just has the KFF
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 13:05
yeah RAI, otherwise why would that ability be on his datasheet
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 13:06
well, since his points don't include wargear you could say he can choose
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 13:06
i love how i'm actually converting up a pile of resin HBCs for my old cudas
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 13:06
pay for it and have it, or not and don't
also, @GenWilhelm thanks for the Bug Rep, although, they can't be collective because any model can chose a selection of different weapons
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 13:09
yeah, i just thought it would look cleaner (and would be nicer on mobile) if each weapon option had a separate entry (ie. Reaver (Lasblaster), Reaver (Shardcarbine)...)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 13:09
like how they've conned me into doing AM
-.-
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 13:13
I totally agree about collective, but Cloud Dancers can have 5 different weapon types, there are 4 types of "standard" Reaver and Skyreaver so I thought that was a little OTT with all the different modifiers and so on
I'll look at it again, although, not in a rush, still got to start writing up the FW units for Asuryani
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 13:14
have you looked at some of the AM infantry squad options?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 13:14
you mean like veterans, who can each swap for a shotgun?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 13:15
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Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 13:15
nope, I did three different types of "standard" Windrider so I know how it can be done, it just took me a lot longer to get things to the state they're in than I planned
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 13:15
or elysian vets who are even more bonkers (as pictured)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 13:15
7 choices
wowsers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 13:15
and most are max1s lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 13:16
I'll update it, I agree, it will look better for the end-user, I think I was just being lazy last night...
that certainly why the references aren't all there ;-)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 13:16
haha, the enhancements arent urgent, its just things that would make it nicer to use :)
its functional as is, just a little clumsy
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 13:17
urgh, I hate clumsy
well, anyway, like you say, at least it works
:smile:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 13:32
https://flic.kr/p/VXD1YX what I've been up to - upgrading my cudas and sharks ;)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 13:35
im guessing the person who wrote that article has never played PL in any kind of competitive setting
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 13:36
looks like reece himself wrote it
john, not reece - still
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 13:37
i dont follow them, who are they?
zopha
@zopha
Jun 26 2017 13:37
They're supposed to have playtested 8th.
Reece/Frankie run the Las Vegas Open.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 13:38
The TOs of the LVO/SCO, the driving forces behind Frontline gaming and the ITC FAQ
... i might have a problem - i have 75pow of just tau flyers lol
zopha
@zopha
Jun 26 2017 13:39
The basics I got from that was "It's a pain in the ass for TO's to valid all these lists because people can be bastards, PL makes things easlier."
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 13:41
yeah, thats the only legitimate point i got from it - its easier for TOs and therefore harder to cheat (mistakenly or otherwise)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 14:04
https://flic.kr/p/Vz13uC and what 75pow of tau flyers looks like lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 14:05
nah, what you're missing is the fact that if you PL, since all the upgrades are the same cost (largely), you can change your army between games. Or rather, they're suggesting that it would be possible to tailor your army between games for you opponent. This wouldn't necessarily be possible with points because list building takes time, and is easier to cheat with because it is difficult to properly validate the lists
I take it you like red :wink:
but wrt the PL discussion, I'd give it a go, that could be fun, take all your models, go PL, play full WYSIWYG and you're golden
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 14:06
ironically most of my tau is jade green - but i was trying to do a FSE section
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 26 2017 14:07
@FarseerVeraenthis I'd agree except then you have a problem that more flexible units are always better than set-wargear, like many, many units (esp. from Forge World).
So tailoring in between is cool, but not in that way.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 14:11
a big problem i have is there's no reason not to take every upgrade you have available to you.
20 guardsmen with 2 grenade launchers is the same points cost as 10 guardsmen with all the bells and whistles, but its double the PL
there's no choice there
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 14:20
well, that depends how quickly those 10 Guardsmen lose effectiveness surely
and yeah, I'm not jumping on either side of the fence, I'm just saying it is an interesting option that we didn't have before
@amis92 hopefully the PL reflects the flexibility of the unit??
idk, yes it could be abused, but so can points
well, until GW bring out their own list-building app that everyone MUST USE for tournaments
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 14:52
also, there is then the skill of the player to tailor their flexible unit correctly - imagine bringing lascannons when you need heavy bolters, or the other way around. Playing PL gives you an opportunity to open another layer of tactics. Perhaps.
(I've not played any 8th Ed games... need to get own my local!!)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 26 2017 15:55
I would be against pl as I've played a few games that way. The balance starts to be unbalanced when you start taking the upgrades instead of the base wargear. 100 PL ~2000points. But using 100pl, army A =/= army B in points. One will still have advantage.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 26 2017 16:33
One Army will have an advantage in any game. Pl or points
Pl takes away a min maxer's power. When everyone is a war convocation, nobody is.
But I'm also a huge fan of sigmar.
Pl is close to that
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 26 2017 16:46
Speaking as a TO there's WAY too much potential for bullshit with PL
And ain't nobody got time for changing lists between rounds, especially at a 5 or 7 game GT
And I've heard all the whines: "But....but....rock paper scissors/hard counter matchups blah blah blah". Suck it up, buttercup and write TAC lists or accept if you get a bad matchup for what you brought you deserve what you get IMHO
Or, as is commonly stated: Git Gud, scrubs.
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 17:36
Can anyone think of a use for Drop Pods now that makes them worth the points?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 26 2017 17:43
Dreadnought delivery system
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 17:44
regular pods can't carry dreads
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 26 2017 17:44
Well I'm talking pods in general
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 17:45
Outside of forgeworld you cant carry anything but infantry
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 17:45
was going to say a dev squad of multi-meltas
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 17:45
and they wont carry terminators and devastators now
centuirion devs that is
not sure about normal ones
im trying to think of an actual use for them that makes it worth the 105 points
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 17:45
the BA in me wants to do mm devs in a pod.
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 17:46
some people owned a lot of pods and now, i just cant see a use for them
that 100+ points could be another 5 man unit of marines
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 17:46
yeah, its any infantry thats not jump, termie, primaris, or cent
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 17:46
i want to buy up pods lol.
i have 1 - for 30k i need probaby 5 more; for 40k i think 3 is enough
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 17:49
i have a pair of dread claws
but they can still carry dreads (contemptor, brutes etc)
then can move
and they have pretty good melee attacks and some weird-ass pistol attack
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 17:50
i'm getting bits for one; probably if i get more pods i'll get more parts kits too
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 26 2017 17:53
Pods no good for melta now, your tooo
Far away
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 17:54
Multi-melta @Entropy1986_twitter
not meltaguns
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 17:54
multi-melta would be 24 inch
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 17:54
yep, 12" for melta range
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 17:54
but i would argue that being at half range is less important now
and at 24 inch range i dont think its worth spending 105 points to put them closer
you could just add a second unit of them
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 26 2017 17:55
melta range is +1 damage on average
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 26 2017 17:56
Just fire Las from across the table
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 17:56
aye
the cost of 2 pods could be a unit with 4 lasguns
and some points to spare
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 26 2017 17:57
And Las hurts :(
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 17:58
all i can think of is dropping blobs of 10 marines onto objectives to have 11 models there to hold em
but thats a lot of effin points to do that
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 26 2017 17:58
Especially when there's lots of it surrounding girlyman
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 26 2017 18:06
Heard smashed up ones make good terrain ;)
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 26 2017 18:11
:D
Anyone else noticed the counter charge ability completely screws with how often you should charge? I had a unit locked in combat on my turn that I wanted to use before my opponent, but because I had charged with another unit that turn I had to pick that one first which allowed him to "counter charge" and pick to go before me on that fight. If I'd not charged with another unit there would have been no way for him to pick it before me. So I get punished for doing what my army is meant to do :(
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 18:22
That sounds a bit weird...
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 26 2017 18:22
Yeah that's what I thought. It should o ly
Damn phone
It should only be usable against a unit that charged in my opinion
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 18:47

late to the conversation as usual, but my thoughts on drop pods having played a 9-pod list during 7th: @skonk

They got gutted hard, and are now too easily area denied. you don't even get the situations you had before where you could risk a close range drop to exploit an opening.
The best uses are really using a lucius to drop a dread in at close range to make it a "deal with me now" threat, or holding a tac squad in one in reserve in the hopes of capturing a needed objective in maelstrom.
Other than those, you're basically just using it to drop devastator firebases in effective ranges.

and since the best weapons in the game on devs are currently 48", that's generally a poor option
disregard drop pod, take razorback
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jun 26 2017 18:49
I keep hearing razors are good, what do they being that rhino's don't? Just the bolter?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 18:49
they have built in heavy weapons?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jun 26 2017 18:52
I assume lascannon and plasma gun razors are still a thing?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 18:52
twin las or twin assaults
12 shots at 6/-1/1 is brutal
and the twin las are quite effective as Anti-tank while still getting dudes where they are needed quickly
more importantly, the base platform isn't too expensive, a laserback is 10pts more than a drop pod but will actually contribute for the whole fight
twin HB with stormbolter and HK is 90 flat
which is entertainingly cheaper than a land speeder with a similar loadout
Land speeders and pod-based stuff just got shafted, which means most of my better options as RG. I'm hoping CT when they come back will help make up for that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 19:00
But yes las twinplas is still a thing
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 26 2017 19:14
just don't overcharge it!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 26 2017 20:16
right, Corsairs updated
hopefully I didn't fall foul of the Copy & Paste fairy, but she can be wicked...
Penallegion
@Penallegion
Jun 26 2017 21:39
So think R&H is ready to hit the air with corrections to what @cartag pointed out in #381 yesterday created pull request
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 22:40
Nice one @Penallegion :)
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 22:43
I expect you'll see a lot more bug reports, that's just what I found in 45 min or so
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 22:45
At some point I will probably make a list with some R & H in; I just need to get hold of the AM units I need
@cartag I bought more FW chaos :(
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 22:46
what'd you get?
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 22:47
A second Leviathan Dread body; I just got one the other day, with all the weapon options so figured if I picked up a second body I could run 2 due to already having the weapons ready.... but then I also added a second Grav Bombard cos I felt like I'd want it on both
then I fancied some Quad Heavy Bolter Rapier's
so I ordered 3
then I was like.. .well im not far off free express shipping
So I also added a Deredeo dread with a selection of weapons
And then I wanted t o try Necrosius, cos he gives Pox Walkers re-rolled 1's on their FNP
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 22:48
:+1:
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 22:48
so I also ordered the FW nurgle sorc model
he's actually pretty sweet; only costs like 120 points and knows all 3 contageion spells, can cast 2 and can deny 3
Also I just noticed, his Tainted Force Blade is showing +14 str instead of+1 @cartag
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 22:57
submit an issue
I'm really starting to hate our end users again.
not you @skonk, the entitled fuckers that can't use logic to save their lives
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:00
heh
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:02
I'm meaning the dumb bastards who complain that there's no option to bring WE so you can have Zerkers as troops, despite the fact that it's set up the EXACT SAME FUCKING WAY as it was in 7th
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:05
there is an odd situation now though where you could add a unit of Berzerkers, Plague Marines, Thousand Sons and Noise Marines inside the same Detachment, give each of those unit's their factions <Legion> keyword and all 4 would become troops in that same detachment
on paper I mean
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:06
and you can do that here too, just have to do it in multiple sub detachments
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:06
yeh
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:14
#454 can you see what's wrong in this?
screenshot incoming
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it's set up the same as all the others, entry group included, but it's not modifying the max in parent like everything else is
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 26 2017 23:15
There's no "max 1 in Parent", there are only max 4's
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:16
The max 1 in parent is in the shared group
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 26 2017 23:16
ah
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:16
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They should all be able to choose 4 collectively and pass validation
as it stands now, I can do 4 between combi-weapons and melee weapons, but if I try more than 1 Special weapon it errors
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:17
Found a forgeworld blunder perhaps with the Deredeo Dreadnought btw
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 26 2017 23:17
remove and add anew? idk really.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:18
already recreated
I think I just fixed it, but it makes zero sense... Combi-weapons has max 1 selections shared, melee is max 1 unshared
Special was max 1 shared and didn't work, changed to unshared and it does. But combi-weapons is working and it's shared
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:20
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I circled the wrong bit in the first image lol, its the one below it
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James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:25
So this is the same issue I've seen people talk about for some other units where it has an ability listed that it doesn't have in its wargear but the ability is in the back of the book as a wargear item with a points cost. Has this been cleared up yet as to whether it just has the thing or needs to pay for it?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:29
Their post said if it has points in the back, you pay for it.
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:30
ok, i've edited my Issue with it anyway
Question is, did they mean for it to be an optional upgrade
or standard issue on the model
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:31
Given how it's worded, optional
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:31
I would think it was supposed to be standard and they just forgot to add it to the wargear
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:31
If it was supposed to be standard, why the hell would it start with "If equipped with..."
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:31
cos thats the wording of the rule associated with the wargear
thats the ability you gain by having the Veil
clearly they just forgot to add it to the list of wargear
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:32
Yes, and it words it as optional. If it were standard it would just say "All friendly units with the..."
They forgot to add it under wargear options
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:33
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Same wording on this and all Hellforged models have it bu default and have no option to remove it
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:33
No, that's not the same wording
"A unit with this ability" is not "If equipped with..."
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:34
its the same meaning tho
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:34
No it's not
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:37
They both imply that the model doesn't necessarily have it, otherwise why not just say "At the end of a turn in which THIS MODEL has killed blah blah" - The descriptions are just written in a generic way so they work regardless of the situation.
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:37
The first is saying that units with this ability do X. The latter is saying if the model has this, do Y. There's a difference there.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 26 2017 23:40
Either way, it belongs in #2
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:40
Let's take Zhufor for example. Sigil of Corruption is listed nowhere in wargear options.
If it said "If equipped with a Sigil of Corruption, this model has a 4++ save," then it would be an optional piece of gear
It currently says "The model has a 4++ save"
Somebody please tell me I'm not the only one who sees a logical difference here.
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:43
there is a difference with that one
either way it doesnt really matter, it just needs to be factored into the cost of the unit (optional or not is up to u)
It was just my opinion that they would have intended it to have had it as standard since it seems to be a unique feature of that particular dread
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:44
I'll add it as an optional upgrade because it is missing currently
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:45
And a number of abilities that are non-optional have wording that implies not every model with that text on it's sheet would actually have the ability
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:46
Find me another one with that wording at the beginning
I'll wait.
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:49
It's the later part that actually makes it more solid that it's aan option
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 23:49
Buzgob - KFF
it's a copy-pasta of the standard mek's KFF, but no wargear
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:50
Got a screenshot? And does the standard mek list it the same as "if equipped with..." at the beginning but it being mandatory?
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:51
"A model quipped with" and "A model with this ability" really doesn't seem much different to me in terms of use, but in this case where it then says "6" of the Deredeo Dreadnought" shows that the ability is only used on that model so won't have been written generically I guess so you are right that it's an option
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 26 2017 23:51
Named DKOK marshal - Memento mori - no wargear listed, copy-pasta of the memento mori from non-named marshal
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:52
Not worded how the Deredeo is
It literally says "If equipped with..." at the beginning
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James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:53
Yes and lots of abilities say "A model with this ability" implying that the model may or may not actually have ther ability
but I agree you are right in this case
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:54
At this point I can't tell if you're just fucking with me, are too dense to recognize the difference, or are just wanting it to be one way so badly you can't see it any other way
James
@skonk
Jun 26 2017 23:55
I'm fucking with you by saying I agree with you?
cartag
@cartag
Jun 26 2017 23:56
was typing before you hit enter on your last message and didn't see it