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28th
Jun 2017
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 28 2017 01:36
True. I like it.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 28 2017 01:37
I'm good with that. I'll get on it tomorrow.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 28 2017 02:02
and it should definitely have a release note or some force-level rule explaining the flag
so people who see it for the first time know what/why it's there
making a force-level rule with the same name as the tag should be enough
Penallegion
@Penallegion
Jun 28 2017 04:20
So does that also apply to entire unit entries ? i have #519 and eathshaker carriage battery is not listed in the choices for R&H but Earthshaker Battery is... i am a little in doubt if the carrier should be included
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 28 2017 04:21
that's a harder one to deal with, for FW the intent they stated was "if you could use it before you should be able to use it now"
but then they do things like corsairs, leave out the firestorm, and a whole host of units for R&H
tekton
@tekton
Jun 28 2017 05:59
Is there a good tag or way to close an issue that's "not a bug"?
...had to refresh github a bunch of times, now I feel dumb.
shakes fist at cache
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 06:10
You can use "revolved - invalid" or one of the others in that part of the list
tekton
@tekton
Jun 28 2017 06:11
Thank you for the validation :) since that's exactly what I did, heh
I think that's the third time I've had to close a "Grey Knights should be cheaper" bug. Thankfully I still find them funny.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 06:17
Hehehe, there's still time, once you get into double figures I'm sure things will change :smile:
tekton
@tekton
Jun 28 2017 06:17
Doing my best to be not jaded; I have that enough from the questions I get at work ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 06:19
I keep telling myself it's all just a game and not life and death...
tekton
@tekton
Jun 28 2017 06:27
Good words to keep in mind
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 06:31
:+1:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 09:23
ah the age old question #524. can you replace a weapon that you didnt originally have?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 09:32
the wording on the datasheet implies you can only take one weapon from the melee weapons list
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 28 2017 10:20
the wording on the datasheet implies you can only take one weapon from the melee weapons list
I've just spent 10 minutes reading the epub and this looks legit to my untrained eye,
keep scything talons, replace devourer with ST's
two sets of talons, and the talons even has a special rule that covers having more than one pair
and at the same time your original set is allowed to be replaced by Rending Claws
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 10:23
yeah, scytals aren't on the melee weapon list
they're basic bio-weapons
the question is can you have, for example, rending claws and boneswords
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 28 2017 10:25
gotta be honest ... I can't even see where the "Basic bio weapon" lists are ?
just Tyranid wargear at the back of the index
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 10:26
on the first page of tyranids
where synapse, etc. are
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 28 2017 10:31
so basic loadout is ST + D, can replace D with ST from Basic list, can replace ST with RC from the melee list ..
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 10:32
I don't see the problem, they can replace their devourer with one weapon from the basic bio-weapons list. Schything Talons are on the basic list, so they can replace the devour for them and have two pairs of scything talons...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 28 2017 10:33
NO, to boneswords
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 10:33
or have I not read it all through probperly
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 28 2017 10:33
because that would be TWO replacements
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 10:33
okay good, we agree
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 10:34
yup, two replacements of a single weapon is not allowed
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 28 2017 10:35
yup, but that ticket didn't mention Bonswrods
Thats' Low Gothic for Bone Swords, obviously
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 10:36
[these models] are not allowed two melee weapon selections which is clearly not the case when simply trading in the devourer alone for another set of scything talons gets you to melee weapons
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 10:37
the only thing you can duplicate is scything talons, and the only way to do that is swap your devourer for a second set of scything talons.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 10:37
yeah, scytal + melee weapon is fine
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 10:38
:+1:
I don't know how you've got the CAT setup at the moment, but you'll need "left hand / right hand" selection options for avoidance of doubt
probably
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 10:39
rend-scy.png
there is an issue where if you pick the other pair of scytals, it throws errors
i personally didnt think it was complicated - pick one weapon from each list
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 10:41
So that would work perfectly, only I'd rename the groups to be "Scything Talon Options" and "Devourer options"
and you could pull the "default" options into the same list
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 28 2017 10:42
So that would work perfectly, only I'd rename the groups to be "Scything Talon Options" and "Devourer options" Yeah, you've got a pedant raising the issue, assuming that "ranged/melee" weapons are how they list them in the index ... no accounting for it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 10:42
so that the user doesn't have to select "none" and check scything talons for example
@sk_Father_Price_twitter they are described as "Basic Bio-Weapons" and "Melee Bio-Weapons"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 28 2017 10:43
@FarseerVeraenthis I mean in @GenWilhelm 's image above,
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 10:44
yes, I'd make it so it is one list for each option, so that it is impossible to select both scything talons and rending claws in the melee weapon box
because it's obviously not obvious enough for this particular dude, and would tidy the user experience slightly for everyone
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 28 2017 10:45
heheh
Though I kinda see where 'this user' has gotten hung up .. I bet he's had errors at the bottom "Unit - Broodlord MUST take one option from Ranged Weapons and one from Melee weapons" etc. and has thrown him in Pedant mode
renaming would fix it
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:11
Chaps, two things: I've thrown together a CAT for Imperial Titans (all three of 'em) if you'd like it included in the Rep
And secondly FW have clarified via mail that the Dimachaeron's sickle claws are x2S on a HIT of a 6+, not to wound roll. I've pasted my mail here: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/52918/dimachaeron-clarification-forgeworld
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 12:13
nice one! i think @thairne was handling titans, not sure how far he's got
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:15
One thing I will mention - the Warhound damage table in the book is missing a line so I adjusted it using the Reaver to what I think it should be
As I hate using Github I'll ask before I try myself - if you want it submitted how do I do so using Github Desktop plx?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 12:16
does that match the chaos equivalents?
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:16
Oh good call
Will check and correct if the Reaver & Warlords match up
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:26
First line was the same, the rest slightly different; the table now matches the Chaos equivalent
(Which was faster so makes more sense anyway!)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 12:30
"using the github desktop app" <-- I think there is something on the WiKi for that...
try having a read through that
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:39
Ta
Right, added my new file to the master branch in my client, I assume that I commit it and one of you guys reviews it?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 28 2017 12:43
If you've done it on a fork, then yes, that's correct
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:44
Not AFAIK, it just says "Current branch: master" and I don't see an option to create a new fork?
OK, created a new branch
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 28 2017 12:46
still won't work
if you've cloned the original repo, you won't be able to push anything
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:47
I think I have, I copied the Titans file to a copy of the repo on my machine, now the client wants to commit it
there's the whole flow
it's also linked in Getting Started linked earlier
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:49
Web page, righty
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 12:49
yup, that guide is pretty good
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 28 2017 12:49

So... just read. If everyone comes asking things already provided it won't help.

If something there is unclear (in getting started) I'll be glad to straighten it up.

I really appreciate your contributions - I hope it didn't sound too harsh - all contributions are welcome. It's just, you know. ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 12:52
@M4uler (previously some inexperienced people have caused drama merging things into the master without following due process) whistles innocently
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:53
Haha Mr V :)
No no, I perfectly understand the need to protect a very popular project from interference, even if it's well intended
It's just that I find Github so astoundingly unintuitive lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 12:54
you're not the only one
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:54
Like how the hell do I rename or delete forks? I've got an old one from 7th that needs to go in the bin
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 28 2017 12:54
In Settings
Well, GitHub is mostly for software devs so :D might be unintuitive for non-target audience
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 12:55
Righty, got it
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 13:03
K, I've added the file into my copy here
Is that correct?
I've also added all the FW Knights to my copy of the Questor Imperialis datafile but I think I'm getting into a bit of a toe-steppin' habit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 13:06
ah, see, that could be problematic
it looks alright with the addition of the titans file (I think), but if you've ended up with a different version of the Questor CAT there will probably be drama when you pull and someone tries to merge
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 28 2017 13:07
you'd be better doing one thing on one branch, and another on separate branch (both branched from master) and make separate PRs for both
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 13:08
^
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 13:10
It's there on it's own branch too but then so is the rest of the repo
I might see if I can create a separate repo and just upload the file there?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 13:11
yeah, git compares differences between branches. as long as the new file is the only change then you're all good
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 13:12
In both cases the Titans file is the only one I've uploaded
I'll check the master Knights file
miproductions added Cerastus Knight-Atropos
Deffo not mine, my stuff is still my own! :D
Back in a bit!
just seen that, apparently it is the codex release schedule
shit...
wrong upload
stupid phone
cartag
@cartag
Jun 28 2017 13:19
if it's the one that has Daemons and TS (I think) in the same month, it was deemed inaccurate by Faeit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 13:20
yeah, looks like it...
was Primaris / Death Guard, Aeldari / AM, SoB / Chaos Marines, Daemons / TS
July, August, September, October
cartag
@cartag
Jun 28 2017 13:21
yeah, let's be honest... 4 chaos books in four months?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 13:21
I was just about to start loading up on brownie points too
cartag
@cartag
Jun 28 2017 13:21
and only one for SM? Not happening
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 28 2017 13:23
@M4uler some things to keep in mind:
  • There are guidelines to keep everything consistent: #3
  • There is an issue marked as in progress for Titans: #382 - you should check with people there
  • The #xx format is reserved for mentioning issues - so when you wrote #1 in commit message, you've actually linked to #1
As for guidelines, most important there in this case is naming - as this is a FW faction, you should provide appropriate suffix.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 13:26
@cartag yeah, I got a little carried away
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 28 2017 13:26
But before doing more work, make a pull request and @mention people assigned to #382 asking if it's even going to be used. Then if they agree, you should fix these things
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 13:26
wrt codexes, i thought we were getting ultramarines with deathguard, rather than primaris
cartag
@cartag
Jun 28 2017 13:27
it's not accurate @GenWilhelm
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 13:28
(sorry for the drama)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 13:29
its no drama, rumours are rumours
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 13:30
Gotcha Amadeusz, thanks
I can see GW promoting Primaris Marine for a while to get sales done before they move back to releasing normal Marine stuff
*Primaris Marines
Marines are Marines and will still sell better than most other armies after all
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 13:32
it's interesting to see that all the "new" stuff for both DG and Primaris is all snap fit easy assembly
I've not seen the kit, but usually that means single pose
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 13:34
Yeah, it will be
I reckon proper boxes will follow
GW are still trying to get people to pick up the new Factions and that's best done with a wider spread of cheap models first
But 9 times out of 10 whenever GW have done new fixed pose designs proper boxes have followed: Deathwatch, 'Stealer Cults, BA Terminators, etc
Helbrutes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 13:36
fair point
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 13:36
Just not Chaos Chosen which is a travesty 'cos those models in DV are NICE
And I don't even play Chaos Marines lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 13:46
I have a set of DV Chaos that are currently not doing anything if you want them...
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 13:48
No thanks man, my own set are doing nothing too but I'm hanging onto them juuuuuust in case....
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 13:59
hehehehe
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 28 2017 17:36
FW Ork stuff is added. So many, many Typos from GW. Kill Tank is pretty cheap for something with 24 wounds.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 17:46
same T and W as a knight, but with a slightly worse save and no invulnerable
M4uler
@M4uler
Jun 28 2017 17:58
But can it hit anything at range? Lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 28 2017 17:59
who needs skill when you fire 6D6 shots :D
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jun 28 2017 17:59
No. It's not very killy. Hard to underestimate the gigashoota with 6d6 shots
cartag
@cartag
Jun 28 2017 19:24
I turned the lightning claw Chosen into Warp Talons. Added bat wings from possessed
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 19:42
:+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 28 2017 19:43
So.... someone enlighten me quick.. DId we decide on how to implement FW yet, especially astartes stuff for my Dangles? In SM? Single cat? Same cat?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 19:43
hmmm... since there are so many different Astartes CAT's I would say it should definitely be FW Astartes as a separate CAT
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 28 2017 19:44
It's already all up - FW astartes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 19:44
this reduces duplication through the (many) SM CAT's
happy days
:smile: :+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 28 2017 19:44
uh
that cat with all the special characters?
oh I see... its not done yet
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 28 2017 20:35
@M4uler COncerning titans - I must admit I wasnt even aware there ARE titans to be done. So I didnt even start.. been a bit busy in RL. Troubles with the GF... but it got solved today (and I'm NOT single!) so if you want, I can look at your PRs and merge them in and go from there
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 28 2017 20:36
Ha! glad it got solved the good way! :+1:
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 28 2017 20:53
From the chaos vs imperial versions, it would be neat to just do a "set name" functionality if Chaos.... but the set name doesn't seem to stick through saves in the catalog file.
(Given that imperials and chaos have very similar for forgeworld models now on the Astarte side)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 21:10
what?! mix Chaos with imperials?! HERESEY!!!
:tongue:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 21:44
whoosh!! I think I just solved my own mini crisis :smile: I must be getting the hang of this Github malarky
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jun 28 2017 22:56
who is maintaining Deathwatch?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 28 2017 22:56
erm... you are...?
otherwise, no-one :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 28 2017 23:31
deathwatch are pretty fun, got in another small game with them today after work
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 28 2017 23:38
recipie for anyone who plays them: sergeant with xenophase, psword/combi-flame x2, HTH x1, infernus HB x1
throw that set of 5 in a twin assault razor and speed forwards
anything they get close to will vanish
and I picked up 2 more eldar start collectings
people say the fire prism is meh, but I've found it very effective on focus mode for crippling dreadnoughts and other walkers