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Jul 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 02 2017 00:52
Hey @amis92 I think I missed the discussion on this, but just talked to a buddy of mine - we'd both like it if the piranhas were more like the hammerhead and can just individually select weapons, not have to pick which version of piranha and translate shorthand
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 02 2017 01:11
Uhh I guess there was no discussion, it was just me getting possibly a little carried away with optimizations :) I've played two games with 6 Piranhas and the length of roster to scroll through was itching me :D
I'll add back the "customizable" choice. I'm not doing this now, so please open an issue and get me assigned, I'll get to it tomorrow. Thanks! (also if any other UI requests, add to it)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 02 2017 01:19
I hear you - will do
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 02 2017 01:24
got to play my Jetdar, they're a blast to play even if they have obvious strengths and weaknesses now
picked up a hemlock wraithfighter as well, so almost to a full 2k list :D
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 02 2017 17:45
And that's interesting stuff. Loads of changes. As an example, Daemon Princes drop from 10 wounds to 8.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jul 02 2017 17:45
Haha #563 "No" </closed> hahaha :smile:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 02 2017 17:48
^ i thought that was funny too
only made funnier by amis diplomatically explaining why
M4uler
@M4uler
Jul 02 2017 17:48
Inhumanoids was awesome. It was the 2nd strip in the UK Transformers comic and finished on a seriously dark note
Aye Gen, haha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 02 2017 17:54
Which was after he emailed me personally being a dicknugget
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 02 2017 17:56
the guy who opened the issue?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jul 02 2017 18:02
aha! Terminator issue solved. RAI becomes RAW
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 02 2017 18:09
@GenWilhelm yeah
And GW officially said that you use primaris points from Index not booklet good
Also you have to have AoF to benefit from Imagifiers - GOOD
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 02 2017 18:16
he tried to edit the files? to fit his interpretation?
and then got buttmad when you stopped him?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 02 2017 18:19
He didn't even actually change anything - he was just suggesting changes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 02 2017 18:20
oh was that the guy that came in and said "power levels are dumb and nobody should use them"?
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 02 2017 18:23
"If everyone seems like assholes, maybe the problem is you."
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 02 2017 18:24
Yup same dude
Heh - you can have a poxwalker necron that's awesome
Q. What happens when a unit of Pox Walkers kills a Necron Warrior in the Fight phase? Do I still add a Pox Walker even though that Necron could reanimate?
A. A Pox Walker is added to the Pox Walkers unit as normal. At the start of the Necron player’s next turn, they roll to reanimate that Necron Warrior as normal too (essentially both players could end up adding a model to their unit).
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 02 2017 18:26
haha, generate unlimited poxwalkers by killing the same necrons over and over
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 02 2017 18:26
Yup lol
The ultimate tarpits lol
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 02 2017 18:27
@alphalas Btw, one important thing to take from the Imagefier errata; Before the errata Imagifier could indeed affect units without AoF. Just something to keep in mind in future rule readings.
oooh, CCBs are <character> now. Good gum drops
*goody
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 02 2017 18:32
word of the phoenix now only works on infantry, bikes, and the yncarne
RIP soulbursting titans
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 02 2017 18:33
@Szeras no, they didn't say that.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 02 2017 18:34
they errataed the rule to close the "hole"
which means there was a hole to close in the first place. I agree it was likely against intent, but the rules as written allowed it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 02 2017 18:41
And necrons are dead
Cannot reanimate except in coherency with a model that had not reanimated and outside 1”
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 02 2017 18:43
oh, shit. I just realized the impact of that
yeah, silver tide as a list core does no longer exist
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 02 2017 18:46
Yup.
And nurgle is king
Disgustingly resilient is what necrons were.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 02 2017 18:55
wait, how are reanimation protocols different?
looks like they were just fixing grammar to me
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 02 2017 18:59
hm, yeah exactly what is different? RP was already limited by coherency
though that's still a huge nerf from last edition
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 02 2017 19:04
yeah, but its much more flavourful that they come back from the dead, rather than simply ignoring damage
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 02 2017 19:06
Page 220
– Units table
Change the models per unit value for Deathwatch Bikers
to read ‘3-6’.
Change the models per unit value for Deathwatch
Terminators to read ‘5-10’.
Change the models per unit value for Deathwatch
Vanguard Veterans to read ‘5-10’.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 02 2017 19:06
no argument there. I just wish they could've kept the gauss flavour at the same time, though I suppose that would be bad for GW selling vehicles </salt>
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 02 2017 19:06
Old codex: 1-5
nearly everyone who built Deathwatch terminators: options modeled to be used in units of 1-5
also, you can now take true mixed squads, but the base kill team lost its native teleport deepstrike
so you literally can't get them anywhere except on foot unless you shovel them in a blackstar
because drop pods can't take terminators either when they could before
:thinking:
François Beaulieu
@francoisbeaulieu
Jul 02 2017 20:40
Hey guys, quick rules question for ya: With the wording of the Relic Falchion superheavy tank destroyer, (FW Astartes index) RAW, would you interpret that it can replace either of its quad lascannons with laser destroyers, or only both at the sane time?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 02 2017 20:49
I'd say both
François Beaulieu
@francoisbeaulieu
Jul 02 2017 20:51
@alphalas I think I agree but I'm not quite sure how to justify that opinion.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 02 2017 20:51
I'd argue that unless someone went through the trouble of magnetizing it, I doubt it will ever be an issue to just go with RAI and make it both
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 02 2017 20:52
Oh gosh, that FAQ hit Shield Drones pretty hard :<
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 02 2017 20:52
Welcome to Nerf Tau (tm) edition
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 02 2017 20:53
:worried:
François Beaulieu
@francoisbeaulieu
Jul 02 2017 21:05
Is it just me, or does that FAQ seem like the death knell for 8e's rule simplicity?
@WindstormSCR, yeah myself and everyone I play with tend to magnetize all our large models. :-/
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jul 02 2017 21:08
Er you guys are going to have fun with
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 21:09
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Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jul 02 2017 21:09
Your going to have fun with this. Page 242 – Understrength Units
Change the second paragraph to read:
‘If you are using Power Ratings, you must still pay the
Power Rating cost as if you had a minimum-sized unit,
even though it contains fewer models. If you are using
points, you only pay the points for the models you
actually have in an understrength unit (and any wargear
they are equipped with). An understrength unit still
takes up the appropriate slot in a Detachment.’
So all units should be able to be reduced down to single models?
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 21:12
And if so, which model should you bring? Just the champion? A regular model?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 02 2017 21:12
Oh shit
That sounds like not-fun
Is that matched-play compatible?
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 21:12
So I could bring 3 Chaos Cultists for a total of 15 points and have those be my three troop choices?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 02 2017 21:12
No
There's a limit on that
Which actually makes implementing it worse.

BRB p242

[...] when that happens, you can still include one unit of that type in your army with as many models as you have available.

Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jul 02 2017 21:18
One unit could still make a decent dent in points cost.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 02 2017 21:22

Yeah. A single Kroot, Poxwalker or any other meat fodder taking up it's slot is sooo cheesy.

I'm not keen on implementing this. I'd vote not to implement it, for now at least. :<

cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 21:23
Seconded
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 21:38
I have determined that no Chaos players that use BS bring Bastions. I can say this, because nobody has reported that the Chaos Bastion is not in BS yet.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 02 2017 21:39
:D Wasn't it supposed to be awesome with Havocs in?
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 21:40
T10 W20, measure from model for firing
and like 200 pts
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 02 2017 22:06
I third the motion
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 22:06
They didn't give up points for the DV models. We have their PL, I've just held off on including them because they don't have points
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 02 2017 22:14
Anyone has any idea why they dropped "other" from Longstrike's Fire Caste Exemplar?
It still doesn't confer that bonus to himself IMO
... in the Shooting phase for other friendly T'AU SEPT TX7 Hammerhead Gunships ...
If the TX7 Hammerhead Gunships was written as Keyword, he'd be included. But as it's not, his model is not Hammerhead, it's Longstrike's Gunship.
I'm confused PLZ HALP
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 02 2017 22:21
RAW no then?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 02 2017 22:21
Yeah. So no change to how it was. So why errata it...? :<
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 02 2017 22:21
I'm guessing RAI yes tho 😛
Also, terminus ultra got 200pts cheaper
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 02 2017 22:22
Haha that's a cosmetic change ;D
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 02 2017 22:22
SM LoW include wargear
Well 400 for 8 lascannons with T8 16W sounds awesome
James
@skonk
Jul 02 2017 22:42
I will use a Bastion at some point; just not bought one yet
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 22:43
#611, too harsh?
James
@skonk
Jul 02 2017 22:43
Is the Thunderhawk also missing? prolly not a lot of people using those too
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 22:44
Thunderhawk is FW and in the appropriate file, the Chaos Bastion is in the index, I missed it entirely
James
@skonk
Jul 02 2017 22:45
I meant missing from the FW cat
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 22:45
it should be there
James
@skonk
Jul 02 2017 22:46
actually yeh it is
for some reason i'd assumed it was a LoW
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 22:47
is it not in tehre as LOW? It should be
meaning I goofed up if it's something else
James
@skonk
Jul 02 2017 22:47
It#s under Flyers it seems in the Cat
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Btw; the Veil shield thing on the Deredeo. Having looked at the Imperium version, it looks like the intention was for it to be an option along side the Greater Havoc Launcher. As in it can take one of them but not both. But that would only be an assumption of intention based on the Imperium version. I think the FW FAQ should hit next weekend so likely to be erratad in that I guess.
cartag
@cartag
Jul 02 2017 22:51
I'll fix thunderhawk then lol, I'll likely have to do a few other fixes too
James
@skonk
Jul 02 2017 22:55
I'm getting pretty tempted to order a Giant Spawn.....
One of the stranger rule sets for a unit
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 02 2017 23:51
@skonk the pavaise/veil is a physical option to replace the aiolos/havoc: picture from open day: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--iv_YZgxI48/V4tMXFuORqI/AAAAAAAAJgM/_XNHBvmexIM/s640/blogger-image--1848318562.jpg
they haven't released it yet though