These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

5th
Jul 2017
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 05 2017 01:35
Happy 4th everybody. (For those that use this as an excuse to play with fireworks.)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 01:37
Indeed
I'm too po to buy illegal fireworks or else I'd have run down to Delaware
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 01:38
MD or PA?
rest of my jetdar airbrushed base color
might actually have them all painted sans decals for next event
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 01:43
PA
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 01:43
ah
I'm in MD, columbia area
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 01:44
Ah ok - I'm in the Kutztown/Greater Reading area
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 01:45
I might actually be attending NoVA this year, though not for the tournament
friend told me he's going and offered a ride
cartag
@cartag
Jul 05 2017 01:49
Happy Scare the Shit Out of Your Pets Day!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 01:50
I'd like to go some day
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 05 2017 02:30
@WindstormSCR Amusing, I'm probably no more than 35 miles from you :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 02:30
been to the columbia GW?
that's pretty much my local
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 05 2017 02:31
No, I usually head to springfield
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 02:32
imo worth visiting the columbia GW at least once, manager there is probably the best one I've met in 15 years in the hobby
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 05 2017 02:33
Head down to Sprinfield. he management team there is pretty nice too. pokes the GST irritably You track minimum selections ... but don't track Selections of Primary Categories ...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 02:36
I actually might
I've been looking for a secondary LGS because the columbia GW does get crammed and also has event days
get much HH down there?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 05 2017 02:39
We have folks who play, but it's been crazy busy with 8th
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 02:39
only problem is that's the other side of washington
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 05 2017 02:39
true that.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 02:39
so a loooong ass drive
I'd have to take 295, so 2 hour trip
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 05 2017 02:40
32 to 295, to 395
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 02:40
yeah
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 05 2017 02:40
saturday morning there's no traffic.
sunday too.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 02:40
last time I was down there was about 2 months ago to hit the smithsonian center near dulles
still took a while even for a saturday
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 05 2017 02:41
Is the 40K gst using categories, or selections?
And ... selections it is.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 03:23
So I just watched Helsreach part 6 - holy crap it's good
Part 5 with the princepts was so good too
James
@miproductions
Jul 05 2017 11:58
FW non-relic dreads PR added if anyone is able to check and merge #656
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 12:44
i can give it a once over, but i dont know if @ddarz is working on anything in that file at the moment
@amis92, re:#3 shall I write up a bit about collective entries (what they are, why we use them, etc.) and stick it on the wiki?
James
@miproductions
Jul 05 2017 12:46
it went ages without a commit, I thought I'd just do them in case the maintainer hit the wall
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 12:59
all looks good to me, only major issue is the Contemptor Mortis is missing its PL.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 13:48
@GenWilhelm if you have spare time that'd be awesome
Bonus cookies for nicely cropped View screens
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 14:03
I was going to have a go at writing it up into the wiki but I've not got to it yet... @GenWilhelm go wild if you fancy it :smile:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 14:14
:+1:
I'll get the basics down, and then if there's anything to add you can go to town on it
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 14:26
Oh? Grey Knights so soon? That's interesting
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jul 05 2017 14:26
surprised by that as well. C:SM? Yep. C:CSM? Can see that coming. GK though? That comes in from the left flank
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 14:27

Whoa:

If I have a Blood Angels, Dark Angels or Space Wolves army, will I need to buy Codex: Space Marines to use my army?

You don’t have to. Other Space Marines factions not covered in the new codex will continue to use all the datasheets, rules and points values in the index until their own codex is released. Rules for new models not covered in the index (like the upcoming Redemptor Dreadnought) will be available in the box with the model and matched play points for these units will be made available online.

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 14:29
datasheet in the box, points online
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 14:29

GOOD:

Are the rules changing?

Yes [...]. In all cases, these will then supersede the rules for that datasheet in the index book.

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 14:32
looks like we're getting ~2 codexes a month this year

army specific Stratagems, Relics, Warlord Traits, Tactical Objectives, psychic powers

my body is ready

Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 14:35
Oh yeah, give me these Psychic Powers for Tau! :trollface:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 15:13
Thank god they're overwriting- if I had to deal with a C:IA situation again I was gunna flip
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 05 2017 15:23
Uh huh
GW says "Your Codex is Coming"
I'll lay good money on my codex isn't even breathing hard
In fact I'll wager my codex isn't even wet. It's all thinking about baseball or mom or housework or something.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 05 2017 15:25
so, are we replacing? or new entry, eg Space Marines (index) and Space Marines (codex)
cos it only says "assume", so some people could say "we still want to use the old ones"
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 15:26
def. replacing
They can just not update data anyway ;)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 15:28
no... please no legacy support... shudders
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 15:30

From purely logistic perspective, we just don't have resources to support legacy entries. If there are interested parties, GitHub makes it stupid easy to fork the work and use whatever old files you want.

I think everyone agrees that we aim to support the most popular/used version, and lagging people are definitely not that group.

CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 05 2017 15:31
that reminds me @alphalas you done anything with the AdMin FAQ changes yet, was thinking of picking that up tonight if that's okay
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 15:31
going back to the old adage that wh40k should always represent the most up-to-date version of the game
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 15:32
@CloverFox go for it - I got DKOK to finish
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jul 05 2017 15:35
Hi guys, i finally have internet after the house move. I'll look to getting round to the SW bugs this week
Just dropping in to say i'm still around & not vanished
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 15:38
:+1:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 15:39
Yeah I was just going to call Lost Penguin Phone Line ;) You've got a stack of issues ready
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jul 05 2017 15:41
:+1:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 05 2017 15:47
@alphalas I'm working on DKOK right now LOL
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 15:48
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 15:49
Reading through right now, looks great! :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: on a scale of 5 :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 15:51
i tried to keep it generic, so anyone can use it without being alienated by 40k lingo :)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 15:51
Good idea
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 05 2017 16:05
when using profiles from the gst they don't have page references meaning that any profiles referenced in such way are blank in the final readout, to solve this would you need to internalize all of the profiles into the cat? (and is it worth it?)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 16:06
you can put on modifiers to change the book and page fields of profiles
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 05 2017 16:08
doh, helps if i click on the profile not the entry, thank you :smiley:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 17:33
I hope to all that is holy that these codexes bring a modicum of defense against Smite Spam for armies that have no psykers.
IE: Tau
Give a relic that an ethereal can take that can try to deny one psyker spell, something.
Faced GK the other day, got rocked so hard it wasn't funny
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 05 2017 17:56
interesting, sister superiors can now replace there boltgun with a melee weapon, and then take another melee weapon
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 17:56
cool
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 05 2017 18:44
@Kohato Is it to the point where canoptek spyder w. gloom prism would be a decent choice? (assuming it also has synergy with vehicles to repair)
(for necrons I mean, not for Tau, obviously)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 18:48
even without synergy, you need one
The psyker phase used to suck for non psyker armies, but you could never just delete a 14 wound unit at will like GK can.
well, magnus could
But magnus and Tsons were the height of wtf were they thinking.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 18:54
what exactly are people using to delete 14 wound models with GK?
nearly everything has rites of banishment, except purifiers but they need to be within 3"
so unless they're successfully casting with 14 units all of which are closest to that one model, I don't see it unless the GK player is willfully ignoring a core rule of their army
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 18:57
Smite Smite Smite Smite
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 18:57
yes, rites of banishment mean smite only does 1mw per unit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 18:59
True, so not just smite to wipe a model
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 19:00
units that do not have rites of banishment: Librarian, Purifiers, Crowe
the Latter two of which have a 3" range on it but do D6
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:00
Idk, maybe i'm just salty about being crushed like that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 19:01
what was his army build?
I've been finding my GK terminators are not doing as well as you'd think, the low model count meaning my opponents can afford to sling heavy anti-vehicle fire at them
the only games that I've had much success in were using 2+ landraiders which makes for a very small force even at 2k
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:02
2 dreads, Voldus, a brother captain, a libby, some purifiers, and some troops
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 19:03
so lots of str 4 volley fire
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:03
A lot of Deep striking
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 19:03
remember he takes the movement hit penalty on psycannons doing that, if he wasn't
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:04
Yea, I think he was
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 19:04
getting charges off with swords would be nasty but it shouldn't have been that many, considering its only a 27.7% probability to get a 9, and he can't take veil of time on the librarian
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:05
He was putting hammerhand on someone , that shit hurt
Wounding Broadsides on 2+
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 19:05
the strikes can all know one power, so that's usually what you take on them to make better use of the sword AP and lack of strength
what with? hammers?
halberds, swords, and falchions don't have the strength
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:06
Voldus I think?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 19:06
Voldus would make sense, he's using an NDH
he's also a better Grand Master and probably the most expensive model he took
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:08
Draigo
Not voldus
he had voldus
but Draigo was the one getting hammerhand
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 19:11
that'd leave a mark
but then I'd hope he would for the 240+ points he costs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:11
Yea, he's not a cheap one
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:28
Anyone played much Admech?
I have a whole what used to be War Convocation yet to build, looking forward to playing it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 19:29
i have an asston of admech i just picked up myself because i got cawl lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:29
Except the knight. The knights have gotten a lot of use.
I got cawl to run an imperium soup list before 8th
Baneblade, 3 Russes
Cawl.
Lets go.
Then decided to go for a war convo. All still in boxes waiting to be built.
I'm hoping Dragoons got better. I loved them but they were pretty bad overall.
(in 7th)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 19:33
all the admech players ive seen so far were spamming the damn chickenwalkers so maybe?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 05 2017 19:33
Or those Kastellan-bots
Or however you spell them
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 05 2017 19:44
... whee new codexes ... :factory:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:50
Were they gun
or lance
Gun was good. Lance sucked. But I loved a big unit of lance walkers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 19:51
i couldn't tell you honestly
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 19:51
or do you mean the beetletanks
(a name I just came up with)
(trademarked)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 19:52
no chickenwalkers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 20:12
i know the difference between chickenwalkers and dunecrawlers lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 20:26
lolol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 21:15
i'm gunna merge that dread PR
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 21:21
otay
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:30
@GenWilhelm :kiss: :love_letter: thanks for the word about collective entries to make squad choices for all the units in the wiki
I just used it to make Hornet wargear collective, so now when one of the selects a Crystal Targeting Matrix, all of the models in the unit get one
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:32
Wish that worked in the mobile files, but because the choices are a sub-section of the model it doesn't :(
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 21:32
Yeah now we could use a good guide for [v] shared? checkbox. It's also very... vague for initiates.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:33
I'll admit I still don't 100% have a grab on how it works
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:33
read the wiki
:wink:
I figured it out, and it should work the same on the mobile files, but I don't know how stripped back they are so... shrug
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 21:34
@WindstormSCR Well it might be impossible to be 100% sure as we don't always know if sth works correctly or not in BattleScribe itself ;) (if you referred to shared thing).
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:35
as for sahred, I thought standard procedure was "leave it ticked" unless you have a good reason to untick it...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 21:35
oh the shared checkbox, that's easy. you just... mumble mumble... constraints... mumble mumble... electrons... mumble
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 21:35
Yeah well define "good reason" :D
Well it's just an idea if someone feels like doing it, we could use that. Just throwing a topic up.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:36
for example, on the War Walkers, to make weapon selection easier they have two incidences of a link to the heavy weapon SSEG
both instances have min/max 1
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:36
I know how collective works and what it works on, the chared checkbox is a bit vague
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:36
if you leave the shared box ticked, bad things happen
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:36
I've run into that once or twice
I just wondered if it did anything else, since more than constraints can be shared
which seems... odd
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 21:37
i think jon popped in one time to tell us all what it was and why it should be ticked most of the time
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:37
but if you untick it, the constraints will validate for each instance, so it works "properly"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:38
as far as collective not working on the mobile files, it's because the selections are all done on the same layer as the model
not as a sublayer
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:38
righto
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 21:38
for the curious: BSData/wh40k-7th-edition#2880
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:39
yeah, that's about as clear as fog
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 05 2017 21:39
Ahhh you're fast
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:39
makes sense to me actually, now I know what it does
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:39
:+1:
happy days
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:40
from what I gather, you're basically saying "check this thing once and return the result to all shared elements"
instead of checking each one individually and using up more processing resource
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:40
uhuh
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 21:40
i think thats the gist of it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:40
nice for performance, poorly named
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:40
:+1:
right, :sleepy: night!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 21:41
sleep tight
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:42
any eldar types have suggestions for how to expand the force in my pic? still quite new to them and enjoying the "gotta go fast" playstyle
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:42
(also, all my issues are closed, my FW units are done, and the FAQ is in too!!) #justsaying :tongue:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 21:42
:shipit:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 05 2017 21:44
@WindstormSCR if you like speed, you could get some swooping hawks, and/or some warp spiders...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 05 2017 21:44
is that a crimson hunter, or a hemlock? judging by the colour im guessing its a hemlock
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:45
I was thinking maybe hawks, I'm trying to stick with stuff that has FLY, so wasps, shadow spectres, corsairs, and similar
problem is I'm not sure what hawks really get me, I like shining spears but think that harlequin skyweavers might be a better option
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 05 2017 21:46
Wind.
Lynxes
That's what you need
:p
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 21:46
With sonics yeah, they're mean.
the pulsar seems to me like you might as well take two fire prisms for the same cost
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 22:24
what the shit?
cartag
@cartag
Jul 05 2017 22:25
Everybody bum rushed the site to buy them all
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 22:27
its not "out of stock" though
its gone, as in SKU discontinued
cartag
@cartag
Jul 05 2017 22:27
reboxing?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 22:27
fuck knows
serpent/falcon dual kit would be ok I gues...
ok, now just put my balls in a vice even more GW: http://puu.sh/wCx2O/e7e15f6ff2.jpg
cartag
@cartag
Jul 05 2017 22:28
They need to combine the Defiler and Soul Grinder kits
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 22:30
wishlist for eldar kits:
Shining spears/windriders reboxed into dual-kit
Autarch Skyrunner in Plastic to match new bike styling with actual weapon options
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 05 2017 22:31
spears would need completely new bits as would the skyrunner.
cartag
@cartag
Jul 05 2017 22:33
My wishlist: A new Zerker kit. Our current one is from 4th edition
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 05 2017 22:34
I know, current spears are the old lowrider models
I saw some stacked up against my windriders last weekend and it looked fucking weird
so I think I'll go for some skyweavers for now to add an assault element