Heyo
Heyo
What does anyone think about the new open war cards...? They sound like they could be fun :smile:
I think they're pretty neat honestly
Yeah it could be groovy, I think I'll get some next week from my flgs
Definitely would remove a lot of the hassle of pre game planning
Anyone know what time the Krieg files might be ready for Battlescribe?
Good question, I think they've been released so it's up to appspot...
Ah
I've got an escalation league coming up and it'd be handy to have my army on Battlescribe
Open war cards sound nifty. But they add a LOT of RNG into the game.. which we do not really need that much more off imo
the sudden death cards sound interesting to me. the idea of having a vastly under powered force to has a very specific objective to do sounds like it could be a lot of fun
It works well in AoS
They're just intended for open play though aint they?
yarr
i guess people must play open play but I just can't wrap my head around why they would
Not everybody is a tournament player
no one in my group would ever want to play open vs me.... cos i own as many models as all of them put together
So tell them to join up
its nowt to do with tournament play, 99% of the playerbase don't play tournaments. It's down to having a fair game and without using points I don't see how that could ever happen
I could see plenty of people using PL for simplicity but even then, depending on the armies there can be quite a big points difference.
Not everybody gives a damn about points.
Not everybody is obsessed about having what you view as a "fair" game.
I've played a ton of power imbalanced games because we came up with a scenario that matches it. Could be a way to handicap yourself against a new player
Well thats what narrative play is for
Could also view Open Play as an any-size Apocalypse game
Could be multiple players at once, just bringing a handful of units to slug it out
Yeh
No FoC also in it
It just feels a little odd to me for them to bring out things like cards for a play mode I can't imagine many people playing
Those cards could have be great for narrative play i reckon
Or, for the cards, just don't use the instant death ones if you don't want to. Want to use them to randomize deployment zone, the Macguffin, and twists
excatly ^, play the way you want to
Useful for TOs coming up with missions
Those cards actually looked useful even for matched play rather than rolling for mission, deployment etc. drawing cards would be cool
cos then you could have the cards down infront of you so no one forgets the mission and stuff
the instant death was only designed for one side having 2x power of the other
I'd love if they included additional cards in codexes
but they are selling them simply as a means of balancing open play a little
they could have tweaked them a bit and given them wider appeal
Not really, they're options to make Open Play interesting. Not abotu balancing
well, the sudden victory could be
i was just quoting what they said on their stream when they used them :)
they did also say to make it more interesting too ofcourse
For expanding though, an objective, deployment, twist, ruse, and underdog cards could be easily done for each faction
yeh good point
I'm quite a fan of having cards for stuff; even with only 3 psychic spells (4 with smite) I'd still like some cards for them :)
five cards, one each. Just shuffle in when using the decks, or select some or all of them without randomization to make things interesting
Yeah the cards aren't really for open play. Nobody really plays open play except for learning games and Apoc. But they will get used alot in "narrative" aka "casual" play.
That was kinda my point though
they ARE for open play
thats how they're selling them
"A simple and fun way to set up games of Warhammer 40,000, Open War cards take all the indecision and doubt away and let you get on with your gaming. A deck of 48 cards split into 5 types, they help you determine the deployment, objectives and special rules for Open Play games."
Given the print time needed to produce the cards to get them ready to ship, this has likely been in production since before 8th launched
yeh i would assume so
I hope they tested them better than the tactical objectives
They have objectives like the one where you draw a second objective and you have to score it with your warlord, and the warlord can be the only unit to score it so things like hold the line can't be done with it
and the defend objective ones say 2 turns... but a "turn" is defined in the rules as a player turn
game turns are now "battle rounds"
so if you draw it, you score it the end of your opponents turn?
dont think that was intended
i think the idea of that one is your opponent has a chance to stop you
The defend objective one says "at the end of two consecutive turns" meaning you have to hold it through your turn and your opponent's
Meaning you have to DEFEND the objective while your opponent attacks. Hence the word "Defend"
They are selling power levels for narrative play, and our campaign attempting to use them already blew up, and is switching to points next round. Power level is for casual play, and aren't going to get used for narrative play very much.
yes but you would then score it at the end of your opponents turn
@tag8833 your experiences are not the be-all end-all of the 40k world. If you have people who are just interested in exploiting point totals and cheesing it up, it WILL fail.
... and?
The 7th ed supremacy cards had basically the same objective but it was always assumed you scored it at the end of your second turn in which you held it
Well, with this if you hold it in your opponent's turn, and you check it during yours and you completed the criteria, then guess what? You score it.
at which point in your turn?
the start? so you draw a second card?
Read your book
Under Achieving Tactical Objectives
don't assume you know how the system works based off of 7th information
Player turns are now "turns". Game turns are now "rounds"
i dont assume anything
No shit
Ok, well read that section to me, and tell me when it scores.
if you do it at the end of you turn then you will have held it for 2 battle rounds
I misspoke on mine
Just read the first sentence under "Achieving Tactical Objectives"
So hold an objective for 2 turns means your turn then your opponents. Basically they get a chance to knock you off it.
i dont need to, i know when it happens
Then why are you saying you don't think it's intended to score at the end of your opponent's turn when the objective literally says "Defend," implying you have to, oh, I dunno, defend the objective?
sigh
i draw the card in my turn, other player has a turn to knock me off it, at the end of my next turn i score it
yes?
No.
Why do you think I've been telling you to read the fucking book
Here, I'll even paste it in for you. "At the end of every turn (you and the enemy's), you must check to see if you have achieved any of your active Tactical Objectives"
Meaning that yes, you do check at the end of your opponent's turn. I misspoke earlier, I can admit it. You DO score at the end of your opponent's turn, not just your own
ok so i missed the exact same shit you did
so how about less of the "fucking" attitude?
Don't tell me you dont' need to read shit then because you "know when it happens"
I swear a lot, deal with it.
Actually, I'll just step out. I have little patience for anybody these days. I'll be back when the CSM codex comes out. Bugs will last until then.
Only astartes and chaos though
Uhh Nice. Now it's just playing the waiting game for xenos and AM
Yep lmao
Btw had a couple of 1000 point games yesterday don't take Landraider in 1000 points against smite heavy army 😊 khorne was not happy that day
Yeah a LR at 1k is kinda points-heavy
Relic LOWs can now be taken in a singular detachment
I realized I can take 4 leman russes by themselves in a 750pt game
But if you want more then one you have to take the 3low detachment to take the second relic
Yup
But I'm a
*sad
Krieg isn't able to get Past
And since TC doesn't need a second russ anymore tank companies are back properly
**Pask
Well no he's always been cadian
Yeah
I'm more tore up Bastogne is still gone
I mean they gave kreig their own version of Creed
True
Marshal venier is pretty legit
Or whatever his name is
Yeah, they definitely beefed him up from last ed
You almost had it
It's spelled Venner
I knew it was something like that
I need to look at how the annihilators work for vanilla guard
hey @DeathKorps you mind QA'ing DKOK for me?
Think I'll be ringing forgeworld tomorrow and asking for a refund for my deredeo dread
It's spelled correctly in the .cat, @alphalas :)
any major upheavals in the faq?
Uhh sure
What questions do you have,
*?
a key change has made a model i bought useless for why i bought it
They missed one
Q: It seems like Sevrin Loth really sucks now. Was that a mistake?
A: Yeah, totally pooch-screw on our part. We'll fix it, we promise.
@DeathKorps as in go through, find errors @CrusherJoe or I made and post bugreps lol
Oooooh, ok
Yeah I'd gladly do that
Chances are if there are errors, they're my fault :sparkles:
Meh I did a lot of the tanks half-asleep lol
Well I'll look at that first, since tanks are a strong part of my army
:+1:
Unless @CrusherJoe finished the russes for me I can almost guarantee you there's something in that unit busted lol
Lol
I just remembered I never re-checked them after dropping the annihilator option in
Uh oh
Did you make sure to add the +1 to armor saves on the Mars Alpha on S4 or below weapons?
Nope lol - unless @CrusherJoe did
Rip
So how would I get access to review these files?
...."Mars Alpha"?
Oh you mean the tank. That one wasn't mine
That should just be a rule addition, though. Shouldn't be too hard.
It's released- just update data from appspot
Alright, thank ya
Oh yeah I can already see there's quite a bit that needs fixed
Lots of reorganizing
Q. Are there any restrictions on which Chapter I can choose
when replacing the <Chapter> Faction keyword on datasheets
within this book?
A. Yes. You cannot choose for any of these units to be
from the Legion of the Damned, Grey Knights or
Deathwatch Chapters. They can be from any other
Chapter though, including Blood Angels, Dark
Angels and Space Wolves.
when replacing the <Chapter> Faction keyword on datasheets
within this book?
A. Yes. You cannot choose for any of these units to be
from the Legion of the Damned, Grey Knights or
Deathwatch Chapters. They can be from any other
Chapter though, including Blood Angels, Dark
Angels and Space Wolves.
Void Dragon be praised!
I thought you didn't like necrons?
eh, they're not as bad as mon-keigh
I've gotten a bit written down about what needs fixed
does it include the stormsword having the wrong weapons on its sponsons?
Nope
The Krieg Field Officer is completely missing his base point values
Post it all in a bug rep :+1:
And @GenWilhelm does that mean 0 FW models for the Deathwatch...?! Cos that's a bit of a bummer...
according to the faq, yeah
I'm compiling everything into one big bug report
oh i see, you meant stuff wrong in the bscribe cat, not in the book
Mega
...I may have spent a bit too much at the Forgeworld store (at Warhammer World) today; but I managed to not buy things that won't fit in my small luggage at least.
What all did you get?
The exclusive land raider/rhino, all the "exclusive" models from bugman's bar and forgeworld, an inquisitor (rex?), secutarii bits, Shas'o R'alai, a couple GK Dreadnoughts, a bunch of Dreadnought arms for my old ones that are missing a ton of weapons from "helping" people over the years, a piranaha, GK dreadknight, and ordered a bunch of stuff they were out of since it's free shipping anywhere in the world from their store
I had been throwing change and gift money in a box for years; converted it to pounds before I left...worked out ok
Nice
Reminds me - need to check see if Rex's helpers actually do anything anymore
Nope - Kay then, more servitors
Actually might use the one as a astropath or primaris
Could probably use the hunched staff dude as a priest
That's kind of sad :( But I got him mainly for a diorama type thing anyway
@DeathKorps I expect there to be quite a few things -- I'll get them corrected once they're in a bug report
I'll more than likely have the list compiled by the end of the day @CrusherJoe
Sounds good @DeathKorps . I appreciate what you're doing!
It's nice having minions lol
I kid I kid lol
@genwilhelm I'm trying to resist the urge to mail forgeworld with a very pithy response about the Chapter section
because they commented at the end of 7th that dreads and transports were just fine for DW >:(