These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

12th
Jul 2017
tekton
@tekton
Jul 12 2017 00:53
@cartag depression is a pain and dealing with it should be considered a super power- good luck ./virtualPseudoHug
cartag
@cartag
Jul 12 2017 00:56
I've dealt with it and it's fucked up best friend Anxiety for 20+ years now. It's getting tiring. I work for a mental health care provider, my lived experience is one of my job requirements.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:27
PR created for #760
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:34
So I get to take the show on the road this weekend -- playing at Warzone: Houston
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:34
for real @CrusherJoe ?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:34
For realz, playa
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:34
ill be there too :p
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:35
RIGHT ON
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:35
what are you bringing?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:35
I'll be the goateed redhead from Austin wearing an Adeptus Shenanigus tee-shirt
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:36
ill watch out for you. no clue what ill be wearing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:36
I'm bringing 3 knights, Celestine & The Twins, and Battle Sister Squad in an Immolator
Are you from Houston or the area?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:36
…i see we have similar tastes
yeah, i live in katy
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe is from Austin
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:36
Sweet
Yeah I know how the H-town crowd gets down
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:37
i havent been in the comp scene since mid/late 5th ed. so we'll see how i do
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:38
I fully expect WZH to be a bloodbath
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:38
yeah
especially since it is testing grounds for ITC 8th standards. I’m wondering if anyone will show with a warhound since it’s allowed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:39
I expect at least one Warhound and one Super Tuna
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:39
the manta?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:39
The Tu'anar (sp?)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:39
oh
i didnt even think about that one
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 01:40
i expect tosee 4 5 raven lists
to see*
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:41
Do you happen to know Ryan Bridges, @flakpanda ?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:41
yeah, flying boxes seem popular atm.
maybe? im bad putting names to faces
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:41
You planning on coming to Wargames Con in Austin in August?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:43
no, i have to take the following week off for family visiting
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:43
Ah, bummer
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:49
What are you bringing to WZH @flakpanda ?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:49
3 knights and magnus
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:49
LOL
I feel so much less like a whore now! :+1:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:49
lol
that 32”move +charge from magnus is stupid good
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:50
Yes. Yes it is.
What we should both do is hope nobody plays us with a falchion
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 01:51
or a shadowsword
or a terminus ultra
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:51
Last RTT I played in my first opponent had the twin volacano-cannon version. It was gross. I managed to keep it to a minor loss....but it was BRUTAL
I tabled a guy last week with Bobby G and a Terminus Ultra
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:52
eww
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:52
In fact I pulled a hat trick last Thursday
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:52
i was also contemplating the knights with Bobby G and/or Celestine :p
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 01:53
I've been playing Sisters for a while now, and have been using the "new" Celestine pretty much since she came out
She's muh gurl
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 01:53
holy shit i did not realize just how massive the gravis cap is
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 12 2017 01:54
as fat as a termie but a head taller?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 01:55
he's thicker then a tartaros
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 12 2017 04:22
Watched a local game today, and I think I heavily underestimated dire avengers
M4uler
@M4uler
Jul 12 2017 06:25
That Captain is so strangely posed, I can't work out if he's inexplicably leaning backwards or is just fat
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 12 2017 06:40
the chest area on gravis supposedly hides a lot of impact plate and a cogitator array, so gravis armor is just chunky
same with the inceptors
but the pose is pretty fucked
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 07:19
How did you underestimate Dire Avengers? What happened?
M4uler
@M4uler
Jul 12 2017 07:26
Fast and short-range-but-ouchy dakka?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 12 2017 08:00
durability actually
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 08:00
with a shimmer/scatter shield thingy?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 12 2017 08:01
exarch shimmershield and warlock conceal make them survive things they really have no business surviving
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 08:01
take Asurmen as well for 4++ goodness :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 12 2017 08:01
the game I watched had 2 squads of 5, warlock and eldrad in a wave serpent
dumped them all out into a critical midfield objective, and between the -1, cover and the invuln they just refused to die
M4uler
@M4uler
Jul 12 2017 08:03
Impressive for pointy-eared T3 nambies!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 08:03
that sounds like clever use of combined buffs
M4uler
@M4uler
Jul 12 2017 08:03
(I do not say that where my Craftworld & Harlequin Eldar can hear)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 08:04
in other news, following cartag's withdrawal I've merged those Chaos Pull Requests. Who will be taking over the CAT in the short/medium term??
hehehehehe
M4uler
@M4uler
Jul 12 2017 08:05
Which CAT is this?
I've just finished my own Imp Armour Chaos CAT so you guys are more than welcome to use stuff from that if needed
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 08:07
there was a minor update to the GST, DG, TS and the CSM CAT's
and we already have a FW Heretic Astartes CAT
(but thanks :smile: )
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 08:34
I don't mind trying to keep an eye on Chaos in cartag's absence, unless @Anthony2017 wants to take it on.
I'll have to see how it goes with getting time to maintain it.
M4uler
@M4uler
Jul 12 2017 08:36
My Chaos FW CAT is separate - it's just that book. I started putting units into my Heretics CAT but then realised that Chaos will end up in the same boat as the Imperials; I'll end up splitting the whole book between Heretics, Daemons, TS, DG, Titans & Renegade Knights and that was just far too much agg when the new BS allows units from multiple sources in the same Detachment to match 8th
But if you have it covered, coolio :)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 08:36
I meant just vanilla Chaos. I don't have the FW indexes so I won't be able to maintain that side of it.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 08:38
righto, yeah, @M4uler the FW CAT on the main repo is separate too :wink:
M4uler
@M4uler
Jul 12 2017 08:38
Sorry - was responding to Si :D
No probs!
Much respect to creating them from scratch, took quite a while even with copying the Knights & Titans XML from the Imperials, merging it and updating the names (and rules)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 08:40
and @ilaunchbury I just realised that Anthony2017 only joined a couple of weeks ago... so do you want to take over the Chaos issues - shall I re-assign them to you?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 08:42
tbh, I've only been around for a month! Go ahead and reassign them and I'll give them a once over.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 08:47
really...?! time moves strangely in the warp...
hahaha, anyway, I can't assign you atm because I need to add you as a contributor or something
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 08:50
yeah, you'll need to upgrade me first.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 09:11
(tries to figure that out)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 09:12
i believe in you simon :+1:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 09:14
:clap:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 09:14
yup, just had to find the right place to go :smile:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 09:16
THE POWER! IT IS TAKING ME OVER!!!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 09:17
easy now :tongue:
right, you now have assigned issues, if you look at the issues list you can now filter by "assignee" - which will be you :smile:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 09:23
so you can twiddle with the Data Editor, then send a Pull Request, the same as you did yesterday, and one of us can merge it for you
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 10:47
You can feel the power of the warp overtaking you?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 10:48
Is it a good pain?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 10:50
Glory to the Dark Lord!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 10:52
^ @GenWilhelm picked up what I was putting down lol
DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 10:54
(DoW quotes...) but is @ilaunchbury 's reply one from DoW 3 -??? :question:
:question:
(I don't know why that question mark didn't work the firt time...)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 10:55
Ah I've never played DOW3
I've played maybe 3 missions out of DOW2, otherwise my like 90 hours are all in DOW and it's many expansions, LoTW style ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 10:57
neither have I, but you never know if he got the joke or not :wink:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 10:57
No, it's definitely from earlier DoWs
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 10:57
yeah, I don't think my PC would be able to handle DoW3
now you mention it... yes, that's what one of the Chaos commanders says
(I think)
and I've played DoW 2 as well, but I just don't find it as much fun as the originals... I have literally ALL of them
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 11:00
Dow 3 isn't bad... It's just not great.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 11:07
Regarding #464. I haven't done any work on the mobile files before. How does that work?
Although, having said that, it all looks fine in the latest release.
points-wise anyway. The actual layout is hideous.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 11:14
#464 and mobile files...? what's the connection?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 11:16
Maybe I'm misunderstanding? It's reported as a problem on Android?
Does that not mean it's a problem with the mobile version of the files?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 11:17
Nooo. "Mobile files" refers to another set of files, available as separate game system over at https://github.com/BSData/wh40k-mobile-format
It's completely separate and mostly done just by @WindstormSCR
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 11:19
ok, in that case, I won't worry about it.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 11:19
Yeah, So when report says "Platform: Android" it
oops
it
shit bad keyboard :D
...it's just an info for us in case that might be a BattleScribe bug. Not much other purpose.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 11:24
So to round up, while we don't really work on "mobile files" here it might come up now and then, if a report was incorrectly posted in our repo (the actual bug is in these mobile files, but the user made the report from wrong link).
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 12:42
hhehehehe! are you confused yet @ilaunchbury :question:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 12:56
So lemme get this straight: there's a whole other implementation of BS 40k data for mobile devices?
I couldn't sworn my iPad and my Android phones use the same data files as my non-mobile devices
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 12:58
I'm not going to be able to sort out #765 as I don't have the FW index.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 12:58
It's completely separate- @WindstormSCR built it to be more mobile-friendly. This repo work on all platforms
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 12:58
actually ignore that, I've just realised that the whole rule is written into the FAQ.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 12:59
Loving the DMCA message at the top of the page :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 13:02
^ looks like IA: Chaos has gone walkies
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 13:03
Is ia chaos only one missing?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 13:03
looks that way...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 13:04
I don't see any of that crap since it's my DB
Hmm interesting
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 13:06
happens on mine too when i view it while logged out
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 12 2017 13:07
if your feeling brave, you could risk browsing 4chan's /tg board, usually has a link to a mega with all the files in, I take no responsibility for any corruption that occurs from visiting the den of Chaos however
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 13:07
i have a google drive link and a mega link with everything
no idea if theyre connected to /tg/ at all
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 13:08
I've pmed you my address.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 12 2017 13:10
I don't think its connected to /tg, just someone there usually has a link to it, I just cant go looking atm
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 13:15
to clear things up entirely: our repo BSData/wh40k should work on all device types, Desktop, Android, iOS (all flavours). There is a separate repo BSData/wh40k-mobile-format which has been developed to be more user friendly on mobile devices, by removing/combining option layers to reduce the number of screens required to select a model and its loadout. When people post error reports on this repo, we ask for the Platform so that we can check it is the same error across all platforms, of if it is a specific bug relating to a specific build of BS
and yes, for #765 I hadn't realised it was in the FW book
cartag
@cartag
Jul 12 2017 13:17
Ia chaos has been done for forever.
Most is in separate file, FW Heretic Astartes, daemons are in daemon file, knights and titans in their files. Nobody needs to make anything for chaos in terms of FW
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 13:18
@cartag , there are a few FAQ changes to do.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 13:18
I think the "missing" was about Chaos IA pdf in alphalas's dropbox
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 13:18
Yes, that's what it was
cartag
@cartag
Jul 12 2017 13:29
sorry, I'll go away again. My mistake.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 13:47
You're fine man - it's cool
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 14:26
What's our stance on modifying stats based on rules/abilities?
For instance, a daemon prince of Khorne gets an extra attack. Should I do a modifier to include it in his stats, or leave it up to the user to remember?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 14:35
should be possible to add a modifier. so, where possible to implement, we add one, if it is clumsy or cumbersome we leave it
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 14:36
ok, in that case, I'll do it.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 14:36
^ it also makes it unambiguous as to whether the bonus is included or not
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 14:36
yes, makes sense to me to do it where possible.
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 14:38
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg has been working since 7th edition and has all the 8th edition stuff in there now
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 15:33
well, that's 2 hours work down the drain :(
just deleted my branch instead of renaming it.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 12 2017 15:56
did you commit your work first?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 16:01
Yes. I'll check when I get home but I'm pretty sure it's gone.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 12 2017 16:02
command line or desktop app?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 12 2017 16:08
oh, no, deleting is a bit more harsh than i thought, check your local commits, they might still be there, and you can revert or reverse merge your changes back in, but talking to some guys here it seems like it just deletes the root node which will delete the commits too
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 16:10
It's fine. Most of the time was working out how to do what I wanted so it won't take as long to redo.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 16:16

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3640764/can-i-recover-branch-after-its-deletion-in-git

Pretty easy to undo, Git is very lazy when it comes to actually removing commits/trees

also @ilaunchbury it's a good practice to make new branches for new PRs, always directly from fresh master.

If you plan on doing more work on a branch you've made PR for, make a comment there that it shouldn't yet be merged (or better yet label it with "in progress" tag)

Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 16:34
Just make sure when you're done with a branch that you delete it LOL
As I accidently left an old one and had to fix something twice due to conflicts
I'll be removing my branches after the PR completes from now on
Speaking of I have a PR open that fixes #766
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 12 2017 19:04
@ilaunchbury and @alphalas yeah, It's a separate repo that's designed for mostly phone use and pick up game list creation, though work has been eating the time I thought I'd have to keep working on it consistently
also late to the conversation as usual because of work :(
What Might be useful is to make a "Resolution - Wrong Repo" flag, I've done the same for mine and it would allow a search for issues that might be reported in the wrong places
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 19:09
I don't think we've had any but one such, so currently not a problem :D
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 12 2017 19:09
I've had a couple pop up but they were also people who hadn't updated so I didn't need to pass them along
but yeah, one-man job makes for slow work
still have to do the entire FW Chaos set
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:15
#780 the crying begins
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 21:17
I'm not sure we have to be fast about that. Let's wait until some next GT. Let's see if that even gains some traction.
Did anyone actually implement it already?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:19
not that I know of... I thought about it, "you just change the min requirement in the roster" but then you don't get any dudes when you add a unit and that's just not cool
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 21:19
Yeah that won't work (for UX)
Hmm and what if we allow it but keep warnings?
So, you make a group entry with every model-entry in it, the group entry has min choice and default choice, so all is cool when user selects the unit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:22
oh yeah, I remember, the "understrangth" unit checkbox
that removes the minimum requirement
and we validate a checkbox per type or something
&unit type
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 21:23
That too
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:24
yep, I remember the discussion no
now
I think we decided to wait and see who wanted it
looks like @Kohato is first to the plate
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 21:24
Well, we have an anonymous winner. So the prize goes to the first one who does that unanonymously :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 12 2017 21:25
I still think that FAQ was in error.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:25
yeah, and yup
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 12 2017 21:25
There is no point to a minimum unit size.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 12 2017 21:25
I've onbly done it for the mobile files on deathwatch
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:25
yeah, i'm still in the optimistic disbelief stage too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 12 2017 21:26
because I don't actually have enough terminators for 5
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 12 2017 21:26
So unless we're making a mass change, i'm on the "no" side for putting it in.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:26
well, witha little earding we decided it was a (points) cheap way of gettin some more CP's
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 12 2017 21:26
Oh I know how it can be used simon
As I commented, it's cheese that stinks more than 7th ed scatbikes.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:26
uhuh, and I'm on the not to be implemented side too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 12 2017 21:27
There is no point to minimum unit size when I can take a single model to fill a slot at 10 pts for near-free CP
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:28
uhuh
so I'll leave you to rebuff "anon" and see if they take up a greivance
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 12 2017 21:29
renamed #780
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:29
my goodness, sometimes I just can't keep up
:tongue:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 12 2017 21:30
@/all Take a look at #780 all. Do we want to do this or not.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 12 2017 21:30
I'm in the "don't implement undersized units" camp too FWIW
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 12 2017 21:30
Fwiw my group has declared unless we know you don't have the models (eg deathwatch) get out with that shit, and that all locla events will have an exclusion clause
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:31
yup, that what we're waiting for is to see if major events to ban it or allow it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:31
which makes the FAQ nonsense... it was a crazy thing to do... I'm in the "don't implement" camp
(did I say that already? I think it;s time for bed...)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 21:32
Okay so let's have a vote by reactions. Thumbs up, faces, fireworks
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:32
thumbs down from me, do not implement
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 12 2017 21:34
How many "Under strength" units can you run?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 21:34
One of every type
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 12 2017 21:34
we basically decided the wording allowed one unit of each type, so one unit of tactical marines, one unit of scouts, etc
hence the cheese, because a min size brigade runs about 10 points (almost) for a million CP's
:sleep: :wave:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:36
nighty night, simon
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 12 2017 21:36
So "type" isn't heavy/leader/elite?
@FarseerVeraenthis gnite
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 21:36
that's Battlefield Role
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:37
yeah, for the intended purpose of the rule, that wouldnt make sense
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 12 2017 21:38
Is there an "under strength" over minimum size issue (like AoS)?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:39
how do you mean? (i dont play AoS)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 12 2017 21:39
Where you can only have one unit that is under minimum unit size.
cartag
@cartag
Jul 12 2017 21:39
The rule book even says "if you don't have enough models" as the criteria
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:40
it only says you many only have one unit of that type
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:40
"unit of this type" is where i think the intended limitation is.. and by "type" i think they mean an under strength unit
which would mean 1 per army
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jul 12 2017 21:40
That'd be even worse implementation-wise :'( (I think)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:41
that would just mean max 1 in roster on the understrength "tag", wouldnt it?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 12 2017 21:41
Do you still pay for the full size unit?
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:41
no
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:41
no, you only pay for what you take
which is what we disagree with
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:41
which is the problem because some people are trying to say you can run multiple understrength units
i think its intended that you can only take 1, and thats how the rule reads to me but GW need to make it clear
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 12 2017 21:42
If you're going that route ... why not just run power points?
In any case this sounds like a no until they FAQ to clarify
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:43
the FAQ is what made this possible
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:43
i dont think it did
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:43
power vs points is personal preference. i expect tournaments will use points 99% of the time
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:44
I think the FAQ just removed the points cost but I don't think it changed anything else when compared to the rule in the book
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 12 2017 21:44
@GenWilhelm with you on that. With PL you're paying for your minimum size
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:45
and the rule in the book, where it says you can take "1 unit of this type" - I think by Type they mean "Under strength unit"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:45
the FAQ changed it from "you have to pay for a minimum size squad" to "only pay for what you bring"
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:45
with a limitation of just 1 per army, i don't have an issue with not paying the points tbh
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:45
and its "1 unit of that type"
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:45
that = under strength unit
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:46
that = the unit's datasheet
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 12 2017 21:46
@skonk that matches the AoS side of things
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:46
think about it logically Gen
do we really think GW want people to be able to run as many under sized units as they like?
I would suggest that clearly... they do not
in AOS its 1 per army
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:47
i dont see why not, they always advocate "play it your way"
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 21:48
the intention would seem to be to allow people who haven't bought the models to play.
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:48
because in 8th for once they actually care about competitive play and, as much as it can be in a game like this, balance
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 21:48
i.e. they physically do not own enough models.
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:48
its a catch-all for several scenarios
imagine you go to an event, travel hundreds of miles...
just have the models for your list and thats it
you play 8 games over 2 days
and at some point while moving from one table to another you misplace a model
the rule would let you still play legally
also for people who bought a starter pack and it just came with 3 of a 5 man unit
etc
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 21:50
on a completely different topic, can someone read a datasheet for me and check my interpretation?
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:50
can do
GW may change the FAQ to make it clearer and I may well be wrong but I would bet my right nut that they absolutly don't want people spamming under sized units
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 21:51
Herald of Tzeentch on Chariot, do they have to take 3 Blue Horrors exactly, or up to 3?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 12 2017 21:51
exactly 3
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:51
yeh 3
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 21:51
that's how I read it, good.
James
@skonk
Jul 12 2017 21:59
actually painted a model... to completion
quite new for me
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 12 2017 22:00
It actually wasn't a "standard" configuration as adding the Blue Horrors was previously only for the Exalted Flamer on Burning Chariot
@skonk :+1:
@ilaunchbury It is either 3 or none. I wonder if the blue horrors can split...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 12 2017 22:05
The unit doesn't have the Split rule, so I'm going with no.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 22:51
@all apparently, according to a dude on one of the tau groups, they talked about it on a LS (not sure if WHTV or FLG) to clairify - it's not limiting to you can have 1 under strength unit of x, period - it's you can have y number of x, PLUS 1 under strength unit.
i'll try to ask for sauce - cause that could be important.
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jul 12 2017 23:04
That's not what the books says though, so either.
They need to faq it or the hm guy got it wrong
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 12 2017 23:15
so i totally need a shitton of skyray turrets.