These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

17th
Jul 2017
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 05:52 UTC
You've got that death guard paint scheme nailed...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 07:54 UTC
pushed a cheeky release :wink:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 09:13 UTC
Good, coming up with release names is always the hardest part :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 09:14 UTC
:smile:
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jul 17 2017 09:19 UTC
ubuntu's naming sheme is quite nice, start at A, pick an adjective and a animal, just take a differnet tack, eg "Asshole Ardvark" "Bastard Beever" "Cu..... " okay i'll stop
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 09:20 UTC

bastard beaver

:shipit:

Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 09:24 UTC
👍
@CloverFox android is clever like that too, what with their sweets naming scheme
James
@skonk
Jul 17 2017 16:12 UTC
do we think they have properly considered how much giving most of an amy -1 to being hit can fuck up several other armies
effects on stuff like Necron Tesla, Tau Railguns, anything where 6+ rolls proc better AP or other effects cant happen with that -1 unless you can somehow get a +1 in to counter it
And anything that causes the firer to be hurt on a roll of 1 now hurts them on a 1 or 2
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 16:14 UTC
yet more reasons why there should be a distinction between modified and unmodified rolls
James
@skonk
Jul 17 2017 16:15 UTC
I wish they would make the -1 stuff rare as fuck
id rather they had given them +1 to their save from 12+ inches away
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 16:15 UTC
and i thought raven guard are supposed to be up close and personal, why are they now making them a long range chapter?
James
@skonk
Jul 17 2017 16:16 UTC
well on that point it helps them get closer without being shot to death i guess
i just think -1 to being hit will hurt some armies way more than others, which isn't great for balance
its also why i wish they'd stop that fucking nonsense of giving armies bonuses vs certain other armies
CSM get extra attacks on a hit roll of 6, so either chaos are underpowered against everything but imperium or overpowered against imperium and ok vs the rest
either way its fucked up the balance
same with grey knights vs daemons
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 16:19 UTC
i get your point, but balance doesnt mean everyone has an equal chance against everyone. you can have counters while still having balance
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 16:26 UTC
I think the implementation could have been better
but its pretty much what is needed to get an infantry heavy force to work
and stealth has always been as big a part of their identity as close assault
James
@skonk
Jul 17 2017 16:28 UTC
which is fine
but give them a +1 cover bonus without needing to be in cover would have been better imo
-1 to hit is stronger in general ofcourse, and i'd be fine with that
but it's the secondary effects that worry me
-1 to being hit is so much more than just being harder to hit
and against certain stuff it's crippling
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 16:31 UTC
honestly they just need to change several things to unmodified 6s or unmodified 1s
because they're fucked up by plenty of other things not just RG
conceal, hard to hit, ranger camo, stealth fields
James
@skonk
Jul 17 2017 16:31 UTC
aye
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 16:32 UTC
just change the stuff that gets fucked by it, then the problem goes away in all cases
because brother kooladius the dreadnought shouldn't be melting himself on a 1-3 when shooting at hemlock wraithfighters
James
@skonk
Jul 17 2017 16:33 UTC
"a roll of a 6 before modifiers generates.... blah" instead of "a roll of a 6+" would work for the procs and "a roll of a 1 before modifiers" would work on plasma and such
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 16:33 UTC
yep
James
@skonk
Jul 17 2017 16:33 UTC
or at the start of the core rules, define the terms "natural roll" and "modified roll"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 16:34 UTC
I'd suggest you drop that to GW on the FB page or by email
James
@skonk
Jul 17 2017 16:34 UTC
and then just use "on a natural 6"
im sure they must have had this all said to them loads of times by now
but suppose it cant hurt to poke em some more
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 16:36 UTC
the suggestion from before was make "roll" mean what the dice show and define a new term "result" meaning modified roll
James
@skonk
Jul 17 2017 16:37 UTC
yeh
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jul 17 2017 18:06 UTC
@alphalas it does look as though they will be rendering at least one of my 40k armies playable.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 17 2017 19:11 UTC
Hey @alphalas you want to divide and conquer the DKOK changes? I'll make a new branch and do the "not adding every tank imaginable from every IG source ever" part (if you like).
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 19:19 UTC
my 1 hour of hobbying I managed to get in during the last few days:
not glued to the base yet, but should be fun to paint
going to do a "chief farseer" paitjob and just use eldrad rules (since its the eldrad model from death masque)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 19:43 UTC
yeah, that sounds good, although, that model is no longer available since Death Masque is gone and they never brought Eldard out anywhere else - so perhaps paint him as actual Eldrad??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 19:44 UTC
I hate eldrad as a character is pretty much the reason I'm not
I had to ebay that one
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 19:45 UTC
hahahah!! that's cool then, definitely don't paint him as Eldrad :smile: :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 19:45 UTC
he's right up there with failbaddon the armless in my book
because his characterization is "just as planned" only lately it has been nothing but "Not as planned!"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 19:46 UTC
interesting take
I am surprised that "not primarch" Abaddon has survived as long as he has
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 19:47 UTC
"Just according to keikaku"
(keikaku means plan)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 19:47 UTC
but yeah, I think he's cool, I have a metal version of the original and then the version from Death Masque as well
although, neither are painted and the DM one isn't built yet!!
also, hilariously, I have a metal version of the original Abaddon
(painted) because I liked the model
:smile: :+1:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 19:49 UTC
i'm generally against using named characters, unless you're playing some sort of historical battle
when i play i want them to be my dudes, not some special snowflake
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 19:52 UTC
I can see what you mean, I generally don't have points for special characters, but I still have them because the models are generally awesome :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 19:52 UTC
I'm not against using the rules to represent a particularly important dude
but I generally use conversions rather than "official model + official paintjob"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 19:52 UTC
ah! just not ACTUAL Eldrad, for example
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 19:52 UTC
yep
a mindset I got used to in 5th that's never really left
when all the flavor stuff was on SC's
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 17 2017 19:54 UTC
"herohammer"
and yes, I sometimes have a hard time doing paintjobs other than the official one... but sometimes my creativity sparks off and I get a nice result... I will take some photos of my stuff and share them somewhen
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 19:56 UTC
so here's an interesting thought now that I've had time to digest the Raven guard rules
use it to place a double grav bombard leviathan 17" away from desired target
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 19:58 UTC
yeah, ive heard the same thing from another chat
depends what the stratagem can actually be used on
might only be infantry for all we know
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 17 2017 19:58 UTC
I'm looking forward to more detail
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 17 2017 21:58 UTC
anyone else ever had a problem in the data editor where it says there's a broken link, but won't take you to it when you click?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 21:59 UTC
it might be a broken category
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 17 2017 22:01 UTC
that might make sense, I'm copying the Helbrute profile from CSM to FW Astartes.
is there an easy way to fix it?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 22:04 UTC
if you know which category is missing, yeah
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 17 2017 22:05 UTC
I think it's naming conventions, CSM has <Legion> FW has (Legion)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 22:06 UTC
if they're defined in the CATs, it'll be differing IDs
did you copy the entire helbrute entry over?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 17 2017 22:09 UTC
yes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 22:10 UTC
so it'll be (Legion), (Mark of Chaos), Chaos, and Heretic Astartes
since theyre all defined in their CAT
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 17 2017 22:10 UTC
Chaos is also defined in the GST as well.
I'll probably switch them over tbh.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 22:12 UTC
ah yeah, the CSM CAT is using its own version
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 17 2017 22:12 UTC
it shouldn't be though, right?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 22:12 UTC
if its in the GST, no it shouldnt
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 17 2017 22:12 UTC
I'll switch them. I should be ok to work the rest out, thx.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 17 2017 22:12 UTC
:+1:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 17 2017 23:30 UTC
And now I can relax. #844
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 17 2017 23:33 UTC
Gen
I see mention of keikaku
I want to make an objective marker that is chair-sans.
Sama*