These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

18th
Jul 2017
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jul 18 2017 04:00
is html being escaped by default now in the rules section for rosters?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 18 2017 09:25
@GenWilhelm , did the commit for #848 go the right way? Did I set it up wrong?
or have you been very helpful and updated my branch for me?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 09:36
there was a conflict, so i had to merge master into your branch
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 18 2017 09:36
yeah, I think I probably messed up the version numbers?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 09:39
yeah, ive been updating the version number for csm before each release to make sure it goes out correctly
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 18 2017 09:41
so should I just leave it as is when I do updates and let you do it at release?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 09:42
ideally the data author should do it, so you know what was fixed in each version :)
but if it isnt done, i do it just before release. otherwise we get people whose data hasnt updated reporting the same bugs we already fixed
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 18 2017 09:44
ok, I'll try and keep on top of it in future.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 09:45
cool. syncing the branch before making edits should avoid future conflicts
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 18 2017 09:53
It was a little odd, the master was at version 13 but the merge was back at 12 and the first merge this morning only brought it up to 11... I couldn't see when it went from 11 to 13 on master but I'm glad Gen fixed it :+1:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 18 2017 09:54
I've had the branch open for a few days to get the refactor done and I think I committed from my fork to get a quick fix done. That's probably what broke it.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 09:55
i think its because i updated the version on master without updating the branch, so the branch still thought it was v11, whereas master thought is was 13.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 18 2017 10:19
at least it's all fixed now :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jul 18 2017 13:18
I've always wanted to make objective markers out of cooking fires and tiny tents.
Y'know...for campers.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 18 2017 13:25
really, have we descended to terrible puns now?
:D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 13:26
oh i get it. for when people are camping on an objective
you should make some so you can scatter them around any unit that doesnt move for several turns :D
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jul 18 2017 14:56
thanks for looking at those SW bugs @ilaunchbury
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jul 18 2017 14:58
White Scars chapter focus on the community just went up.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jul 18 2017 15:00
@penguin20000, no problem. It's amazing how much you can get done while waiting for SQL scripts to complete :)
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Jul 18 2017 15:00
Indeed, i spend my days waiting for code to compile etc
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 15:05
+2" when they advance, stratagem lets them advance shoot and charge in the same turn, and a warlord trait that deals MW when they charge
looks like they reeeeally like charging
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 16:59
alright finally getting to my bugerps - currently in Custodes, Telepathica, AM, DKOK< and Elysians
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Jul 18 2017 17:37
Don't forget being able to charge after falling back
Totally not going to be a balance issue while everyone not playing ultramarines has no codex
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 17:57
9 bugs fixed - 4 more and then i can go back to being idle lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:03
it's a huge balance issue
just like in sigmar
old battletomes suffer.
but, this is GW. 8th is great edition, best in a while, but GW has never cared about balance.
Powerful armies sell models.
Model sales give GW money
end of story
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 18:05
@GenWilhelm or @Kohato i got another replace all instances of x for y for you in xml por favor
replace 3d07f624-4f87-3389-b892-f6fd53515138 with f505-bfe1-b238-0c4; replace 69ec-b200-8e35-2ecd with 62e4-243e-c188-2d88; AM cat por favor.
just pushed newest ver
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 18:08
do you not know how to use a text editor? :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 18:08
no lol
:P
i are laborer lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 18:09
also, which AM cat?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 18:09
AM am
not El aor DK
or*
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 18:09
guard?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 18:09
yes.
guard ass guard
ministorum is aMin
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 18:11
uh, that first replace is only 15 characters
is that intentional?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 18:24
3d07f624-4f87-3389-b892-f6fd53515138 with f505-bfe1-b238-0c41
fbad-b8a4-683a-bd66 with 62e4-243e-c188-2d88
i think thats the same replaces
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jul 18 2017 18:27
If that leak is correct then White Scars can't still charge after they Fall Back bc it says Fell Back and there is no such rule. Ultramarines chapter tactics correctly says Fall Back. Anyways, RaI seems clear to me :tongue:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 18:27
The interesting one to me is the IH one
We already know from farseer and warlord trait interactions that save after saves all work if you have multiple somehow, unless the ability explicitly says it does not
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 18:28
@alphalas done
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 18:28
example farseer takes mortal wound, is warlord, has tenacious survivor
ghosthelm can ignore on 5+, survivor on 6+
and you can use both
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:29
Lol IF, once again useless.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 18:29
now there are iron hands dreads that will have two 6+ SAS
so double the chances to ignore (some FW dreads)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 18:29
everyone ive heard has been calling the IF broken, but i'm just sat there like ???
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:30
Broken?
Ignores cover woo
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 18:30
and a chaplain dread can have 3 6+ SAS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:30
People seem to think if they shoot at infantry in cover on top of a building they get to re-roll
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 18:30
@GenWilhelm love that push name
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:30
That's not targeting the building. That's targeting the unit
I love that GK is getting a codex next
GK is bonkers as it is. Insane mortal wound spam.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 18:32
so I think you'll see iron hands players marching walls of dreads downfield
which is as it should be lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:32
Dreads are amazing in 8th as it is
So If you want a dread list, IH is the way to go
Prior to this, it was BA. Still might be ... DC Dreads are scary
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 18:33
I'm going to enjoy my RG
interesting thing:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:34
Yea .. army wide -1 to hit is good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 18:34
because the RG stratagem is before game and not during. you can use it any number of times even in matched
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:34
I'm glad it's 12" though, means deep strike can counter it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 18:34
because the "once per phase" limitation only applies to active game phases
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:34
Ehhh.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 18:35
same deal that allows you to reroll relevant rolloffs during pregame with CP
I'll be back in a bit, lunchtime
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:36
Someone comes at me with that logic, I pack up and leave.
Simple as that
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 18 2017 18:37
does this mean one can eventually hope for an extra assaulty hive fleet? Or preferably one that let's you fire genestealers at flyers.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:37
Genestealers are not goblins. YOu cannot fire them out of cannons
lol
But yea, I assume one of the hive fleets will be assaulty
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 18 2017 18:39
well, we've already got brainleach worms for devourers, so, you know ... just scale them up a bit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:39
Miniature Genestealers
Lol
Here I am hoping that Thokt will be a dynasty and will get Tesla bonuses
Nevermind the rest of the issues with necrons
I'd be happy with that I guess, at least I can have fun losing.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 18:41
alright apparently that didn't want to take - @GenWilhelm how do i do this replace nonsense?
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 18 2017 18:41
Speaking of tesla, I'm astounded at the amount of tesla (ani barges, no less) in the ETC lists
also tesla over gauss cannon on CCBs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 18:42
That's surprising
Considering the way to go seems to be Destroyer Spam
With gauss -4 lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 18:42
@alphalas what are you trying to do?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 18:45
replace a rules entry with profile entries.
replace 3 rules entries*
eh fuck it i'll do it manually
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 18:54
i got it.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jul 18 2017 18:55
:+1:
James
@skonk
Jul 18 2017 19:24
Tesla is great; till you find yourself against a lot of -1 to be hit stuff and realise you now can't roll 6's
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 19:26
Yep. Which is why I hope thokt helps.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 18 2017 19:26
yeah, they definitely didn't consider all ramifications of that part of the rules
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 19:26
I love that something a large section of the game has negates an entire half of necron weaponry
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 18 2017 19:26
surely it must become natural 6s (and natural 1s for things like overloaded plasma)
James
@skonk
Jul 18 2017 19:27
would have been easy for them to fix before now so i assume they like it this way
it's funny how everyone who had secretly been involved in testing was jizzing their pants over 8th and how good it is; and now they're all going on about how broken loads of stuff is. Flyer spam, brimstone spam, raven spam, knight spam, auto-go-first, how shit cover is now etc
apparently to have a fun game we have to house rule all our ruins so you can't shoot through the walls of the ground floor
i think one of the touneys that happen in the last week or so reported that out of like 25 games only 2 or 3 were won by the person who went second
alpha strike in a competitive game seems to be pretty much an automatic win
James
@skonk
Jul 18 2017 19:32
watching some of the testers in batreps now, seeing how many rules they get wrong... suggests to me that they didn't really test the game. They tried every unit they could but probably never really had any quantity of real games.
Gisle Jaran Granmo
@Szeras
Jul 18 2017 19:45
I think the problem is that they don't have enough power gamers testing. They can playtest all they like, but if they're using lists similar to what they do at miniwargaming.com then they're not going to find the holes in the rules - they're simply not pushing the rules to the limits.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 18 2017 20:21
There was no testing. There was publicity given to blogs and batrep producers.
They didn't actually test dick.
James
@skonk
Jul 18 2017 20:22
Tis the impression i get too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 20:59
reece using his brain? it'd be headline news
I'm almost glad they didn't
because then we might have gotten some very unpleasant arbitrary restrictions from kneejerk reactions
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jul 18 2017 21:00
I feel confident he is to blame for the fatebof Eldar Corsairs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 21:01
@WindstormSCR
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jul 18 2017 21:01
His bans and belly aching kept from even bothering to port an army list, and nerfed all of the special rules he so lamented in 7th.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 18 2017 21:01
IMG_1269 (Edited).JPG
that was in response to windstorm, not austin :P
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Jul 18 2017 21:13
@WindstormSCR and @Kohato concerning using the same stratagem multiple times before start of gameturn and Kohato's reaction, it seems that's the way it's intended to be used, going by this paragraph in the Raven Guard article "You’ll want to pack as many command points as you can into your list to take full advantage of this, allowing you to hold units back at the start of the game and deploy them anywhere more than 9″ away from the enemy just before the game begins." Don't like it either, but apparently it's how GW meant it.
Paragraph after that one spells it out even more, by the way.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 21:19
It would be nearly useless as flavor if you couldn't, and you're still subject to the 50% rule
its no worse than doing the same thing with X units of terminators, just more flexible
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 18 2017 21:30
and I've loathed reece since he tried to justify ITC departing from the long stance of fact based balanced they had
particualrly when he complained bitterly about deathstars while nerfing everything that could possibly counter them (LOW, removal effects, etc)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 18 2017 21:40
well, it'll be very interesting once the SM codex drops
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Jul 18 2017 23:54
Agreed, @WindstormSCR... His lack of talent in game design is notable.