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4th
Aug 2017
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 04 2017 13:34
Whats this guy talking about in this report? #1107
I don't see any missing options for CSM
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 13:38
Does the issue say CSM?
"Space Marines v24" ?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 04 2017 13:38
says Space Marines V24 at the top
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 13:38
yeh thats not Chaos space marines
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 04 2017 13:38
my bad, left out the colon lol
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 13:39
ah
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 04 2017 13:39
C:SM is what I meant to type lol
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 13:39
ah
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 04 2017 13:39
anyway I was about to comment that I don't see any issues and if he could post a screenshot for us
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 13:39
:)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 04 2017 13:42
he needs to update doesn't he? We've released v26 now.
ignore me.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 04 2017 13:44
looks like it was an error on his part lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 04 2017 14:34
Black Legion preview is up on WH Community.
Legion Trait is quite nice
Abaddon gives +2CP and triggers DttFE on 5+ instead of 6+
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 14:51
problem with the 5+ thing
is its awesome
or 100% useless
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 04 2017 14:53
yes, the fact it's limited to Imperium armies does bring it down a bit
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 14:54
the BL strat is a strait up copy of one of the SM ones
which is fine
I would hope that CSM get quite a lot of the same stuff as SM's
Obviously i dont want all of it to be the same but it makes sense for things that are quite generically "marine" esque would exist for both
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 04 2017 14:56
yeah
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 14:56
I'll be gutted if the CSM book doesn't give troops ObSec like it does SM's
tbh i hope to fuck that ALL codexes give troops ObSec
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 04 2017 14:57
prepare to be disappointed. Marines must be best at everything!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 04 2017 14:57
im just glad it doesnt apply to transports any more
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 14:57
aye
by having it on troops, and giving it to troops in all armies, it gives a good incentive to actually take them
and if both sides have troops, the game will generally be a little more balanced
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 04 2017 14:59
especially in space marines, where their specialised versions are just straight upgrades
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 14:59
yeh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:07
they've already been revealed to have a "defenders of humanity"-alike
was in one of the white dwarf translations
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:08
@/all pushed a release. if you want it out, do it in the next 90 mins
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:08
played the new konor mission, wrecked face
RG with good army comp and first turn advantage are very scary, but as they always were are very reliant on that first strike to be a crippling blow
if it isn't, things become problematic quickly
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:10
i feel like gun line RG can be good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:10
very possibly
but I feel like not using SFTS is also giving up good opportunities
like boxing someone into thier deployment zone with 20 terminators
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:10
sfts?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:11
Strike from the Shadows, stratagem
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:11
oh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:11
the only opponent that's backfired on was the world eaters army in transports, after some terrible rolling let the transports survive to assault phase :(
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 04 2017 15:12
:D
yeah, and world eaters are gonna get a whole lot nastier when C:CSM drops.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:12
seriously, with the FAQ letting WE fight twice before the opponent even gets to start swining they're very very good
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:12
im not even really using my codex yet as the tournament in going to isnt allowing it
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 04 2017 15:12
really, no C:SM?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:13
add some forge world to them and when berzerkers will be obsec troops/
it gets downright nasty
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:13
less than 30 days to date = no new rules
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:13
same guy I fought is currently building a spartan, 2 dreadclaws and a leviathan dread for his bloodboys
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:14
sounds brutal. WE are gonna be if not good, a fan fav for sure
this is what i settled on for the gt im going to:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:15
they're currently the best assault army in the game imo
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:15
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:15
why not dual avengers?
more reliable, even if weaker S
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:16
more versatile i found the style of play right now leans towards the T7/8 things
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:16
fair
why not thermals for T9 then, range?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:17
i havent faced T9 yet
i might see a building or two
but those are T10
usually
so 5s anyway
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:18
sorry, S9
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:18
oh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:18
thermals wound most T7/T8 on 3s
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:18
yeah, but 4d6 vs 2d3
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:18
I'd argue still worth it because of the -4 punch denying saves entirely to most things
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:18
and i found the thermal cannon underwelming when i played it at warzone houston
most things that tough have invuls anyway
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:19
I'm looking forward to next week
my scorpion is finally in the post
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:19
brass?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:19
Eldar
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:19
ok
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:19
Type II heavy
time to give the mon'keigh pulsar goodness
I fucking need to too after I learned what my best friend and local IH player is getting
2x Levi, Spartan, Achilles, his 2 redemptors are already painted
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:20
yesturday i had a practice game for the GT. i was playing a knight/guilliman list, and he was spamming heralds brimstones, and had magnus… he smited both night to death in two turns...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:21
a few fire prisms and hemlocks are not enough :(
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:21
knights*
i was a bit flabbergasted at the smite output
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:22
it can get pretty silly
I've had some complaints about it from my GK
honestly I'd be 100% ok with hammerhand replacing smite as the multi-use ability for GKs
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:22
his first turn he did get good rools, made 7/8 smite casts for the brimstones.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 04 2017 15:23
I'm planning on making a 1KSons army for Smitey goodness.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:23
weaker smite tho for 1kS
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:23
but even with smite spam psyker armies still aren't as oppressive as they were in 7th
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 04 2017 15:23
for now.... :)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:23
for sure. 7th was WAY worse
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:23
1ks will probably remain the same as GK
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 04 2017 15:24
yeah, I would think so, they are the mirrors of each other.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:24
having an army of psykers makes smite too strong. gotta balance it somewhere
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:24
I'm stillo deeply enjoying my eldar, and wave serpents are finally back in stock
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:25
GK has reduced damage/range (for the most part), 1kS is reduced damage, horrors have reduced success.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:25
or at least they were yesterday
fuck you gw!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:25
lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:26
I didn't buy one yesterday because I was planning to order on the 5th which is store birthday and get the limited model for free
guess I'll be getting reivers instead
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:27
reiver are cool tho
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 15:29
mine are still just primed...need to get on that. Semi-thankfully my games on Saturday got cancelled so I have a few more days to paint.
^^ the limited model
actually a good sculpt tbh
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:29
yeah, i have to wait til feb or april to get one
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:30
was considering just scalping it but I think mine will get painted and used
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:30
get two?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:30
dunno if I can
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:30
fair
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:30
as good as our manager is, he only allows doubles once the rush stops
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:30
i still have a cptn centos nib to pawn off
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:31
so there usually arent' spares
I did get 3 of the tartaros cap and scalped them though, that was a good time
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 15:31
Despoilers of the GHalaxy
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:31
the preator?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:31
yeah
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 15:31
got the white dwarf here with me and i can just make it out in a tiny image
thats the ObSec thing
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:31
i missed them :/ had to work that day
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:32
I don't have any of them left or I'd offer to send one
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:32
its cool. $75 seems a bit much now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 04 2017 15:32
I need to get one - and probably a gabe too
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:32
so C:CSM get ob sec too :p
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:32
I wouldn't charge that to a fellow data author ;P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 04 2017 15:33
I can get them for you for cheaper;)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:33
i really want an ixion to paint
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 04 2017 15:33
But the tribune and gabe are the only 2 tartaros characters FW's made
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:33
aaaaand with that base wash done, that's 2 points for imperials for konor (2 tartaros squads)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:33
i know yoyo exists
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:34
actually 4
forgot elites are double this week
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:34
elites this week, correct?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 04 2017 15:34
I think I can get ixion too ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 15:34
might have to get working on my pile of sternguard
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:35
im having to work on brimstones for the GT. cutting them in half was easy. makes 10 into 20
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 04 2017 15:36
I'm still working on my 30k BA for a HH event the 12th
I'm running probably the most compact force possible at 3k
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 15:39
all the dreads?
right?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 04 2017 15:40
Yup
4 contemptors, 3 boxdreads, conMortis, lev, dreadclaw
Plus praetor/PM/FL/CS/apoth
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 16:31
Kind of figured the interceptors were coming, I have two ready to paint
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 16:32
uh
feck i forgot it did that
he says he's "seen the new abaddon" in response to a question about what new models he'd like to see.... I wasn't aware there was a new abaddon
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 04 2017 16:33
...DAMN SILVER ASSHOLES STEALING MY FLYER, THEN GETTING THE NEW ONES BEFORE I DO!
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 16:34
I assume the youtube folk have copies of the CSM dex and Winters will up a vid at just gone 12 tonight showing all its contents again :)
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 16:35
I'm hoping it's both codexs so I can get a jump on typing typing and power levels...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 04 2017 16:37
I'm just hoping for rain. Leaks. Y'know. :)
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 16:46
its it silly that i wish the CSM book would come with a limited edition one with some metal tokens and other useless shit?
i dont think it will even get the same treatment as the SM one did
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 16:46
Given I'm hoping the same for GK, not silly at all!
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 16:46
white dwarf just lists the £25 and a £50 limited one, but for that price it's not gonna have goodies
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 16:55
Neither will. Just a vanilla and special editions. $80 for soecials
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 16:56
I can hope they had a last minute change of heart :panda_face:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 16:57
If you have that much hope, you better have rotting shit in your other hand
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 16:58
i want all the goodies :(
i wants metal tokens
dice
wound counters
CP tyrackers
spelled correctly tho
all chaos combat guage
ALL THE STUFF...
GW baffle me sometimes, there are things people would literally throw money at them for and they dont make em
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 17:05
heh
zopha
@zopha
Aug 04 2017 17:22
Just holes for others to fill. You can get a wang for wound counting for example - http://www.beastsofwar.com/liveblogentry/wound-wang/
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 17:24
Grey Knights get chaplains...interesting...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 17:27
It's probably about
Ignore that
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 17:49
any of you in the GW stream and also a subscriber?
I want to ask them something but I dont subscribe
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 17:49
what do you want asked?
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 17:50
The ForgeWorld FAQ added the "Helbrute" keyword to the Leviathan, Contemptor and Doredeo dreadnoughts. Does this mean that Legion Traits (and anything else, such as stratagems, that say "Helbrute") will apply to the ForgeWorld dreadnoughts?
thats the question :)
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 17:50
Done
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 17:50
I don't see how it couldn't apply to them like; since they now have the keyword
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 17:50
I'm not listening right now- are you?
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 17:50
but wowser, Leviathans with the legion traits? ooh
yeh
i have it playing
thanks
he answered
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 17:55
seemed he didnt realise they had done that in the FAQ but said it was awesome and everyone should go buy some
but yes, it's pretty fecking nice if that doesnt get undone
I think there is a Strat that lets a helbrute shoot twice if it didnt move
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 18:00
sweet; i'm gonna have to watch the game later at this point
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 18:27
chaos vehicles univerally better than thier imperial counterparts confirmed
you guys just need a decent transport flier in plastic and we'll have nothing left to lord over the traitors (but why would you take them when you guys can use dreadclaws)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 04 2017 18:37
...I know
I want to use my 2 dreadclaws in 40k - but I'm not a filthy traitor
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 04 2017 18:51
I actually don't mind it so much
we have a few other things, like different terminator armor marks with actual benefits
and primaris jazz
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 04 2017 20:35
Who is doing FW chaos?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 04 2017 21:52
@ilaunchbury is doing everything chaos, except R&H
I might have a problem lol
tekton
@tekton
Aug 04 2017 22:04
...that you need one more tank to fill out that front rank?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 04 2017 22:49
Lol
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 22:56
does anyone remember where GW put some info out about what you do if you play a successor chapter? in terms of using their parent chapters rule
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 23:25
Winters has a video up of the Grey Knights book
James
@skonk
Aug 04 2017 23:44
lol, Greyk Knights book is full of converted models
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 04 2017 23:48
you mean in the codex @skonk?
on the pages for chapter tactics, stratagems, etc. it says if your chapter isnt there, use their founding chapter's rules