These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

15th
Aug 2017
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2017 02:34
Alright DW is done
after I fork the data, how do I upload my DW Cat to the site?
nvm found that, do I select commit to master or create a new branch/start a pull request?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 15 2017 02:43
If you can just commit to master
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2017 02:45
ok, I did that, does my fork have to be merged with the main one by an admin for it to take effect?
tekton
@tekton
Aug 15 2017 06:05
@acebaur yes, only certain people can merge pull requests
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 07:05
@acebaur, I don't see a pull request from you. You'll need to go into your fork and create one. The instructions are on the wiki if you get stuck. The important thing is to get it going the right way!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 15 2017 07:57
@ilaunchbury is their a reason you are excluding index options for CSM now? Ie, noise Marines as troops.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 07:59
because they're no longer valid?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 15 2017 08:00
It is per the index
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 08:02
I'm not getting into this argument. All of those models are still sold and have a datasheet in the Codex, therefore the Codex has the only rules for them.
I've heard the book designer say (on stream) that it was a deliberate choice to make them Elites. I know that's not "official" as such, but it seems clear to me.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 15 2017 08:06
They're isnt an argument. I was asking. But I would like to talk further about it, as in #1067 we decided to be inclusive. I know it pertains to SM, but it's a presidance for all codexes
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 08:08
I thought we decided to be inclusive for options which are no longer sold, such as ven dreads with autocannons or chaos lords on their <MARK> mounts.
Not for datasheets which have clearly been replaced with new ones
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 15 2017 08:10
It was to be inclusive for everything, but we can talk about it more since there are two datasheets for those units, an elite and troop one. I don't have this situation come up in SM
Didn't*
Well...
I guess I could make a referance to excluded ones in the codex
Like Khan
But that doesn't really fit
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 08:13
you mean Khan on Moondrakkan?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 15 2017 08:13
Yeah
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 08:13
he should be in the SM cat, because he is a completely different model that just happens to no longer be available.
people can still use him if they have him.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 15 2017 08:15
The parallel I was trying to make is that two datasheets with the same name, but it doesn't really fit.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 08:16
If GW wanted Noise Marines and Berzerkers to be Troops choices for their Legion, I cannot believe that they would have forgotten to put that rule in the Codex.
I may be proved wrong on Saturday when the FAQ comes out, but I doubt it.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 15 2017 08:17
I'm not saying they didn't exclude them mistakenly
I'm just looking at the argument that there are two unique datasheets for those units ( one trip and one elite) and only the elite version was included in the codex.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 08:23
like I said, I cannot believe that GW forgot to include the rule if they wanted it to be there.
if I'm proven wrong in an FAQ then I'll gladly change it.
lack of sleep makes for models painted at least
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2017 11:03
DIE filthy xenos!!!!
lol
Looks great!
@/all I created a pull request for the DW cat updates. Let me know if something is wrong with it or I need to do anything else
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2017 11:08
you've uploaded the compressed (.catz) version of the file
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2017 11:09
ok, how do I uncompress it?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2017 11:09
in the data editor, go save as, and select .cat at the bottom
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2017 11:09
ok
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 15 2017 11:11
longest was the lining of the recesses
nuln oil is love, nuln oil is life
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2017 11:12
how do I delete the compressed version from the commit?
and yeah I can imagine that was a pain
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 15 2017 11:14
took about 3 different versions on my test fire prism lance to figure out the crystals
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Aug 15 2017 11:14
@flakpanda @ilaunchbury
Are the Cult Troops for Thousand Sons still going to be following the Chaos:Index? Given that they explicitly call out that you can't give a unit the "Thousand Sons" in the <Legion> label (as I read it).
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2017 11:15
@acebaur on your fork, select the file, in the upper right there should be an option to delete the file
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 11:16
Yes, TS are still using the Index because they don't have a Codex. At present, the only thing they get from the Codex is the new powers.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2017 11:18
ok file deleted although it added _ to the spaces between the dash when I saved it, do I need to change that?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2017 11:18
yeah, it needs to be spaces
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2017 11:18
ok
I assume I need to save that change before uploading?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2017 11:19
yeah, or use the web editor to rename it
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2017 11:20
ok should be good now
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 11:34
@GenWilhelm , I wish you'd told me you were releasing. I'd have done a PR for some more CSM fixes.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2017 11:35
well do it quick, and i'll redo the release :P
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 11:35
give me two minutes.
ok, all done.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2017 12:27
@WindstormSCR daaayum that looks good. :+1:
Where you said you used nuln oil to get the spaces between the plates, I humbly suggest a liner brush (tiny diameter with long bristles) and either Blue Liner or Gray Liner by Reaper Master Series paints
I struggled for a long time with those recesses and that was the solution I finally settled on that wasn't disastrous
James
@skonk
Aug 15 2017 14:27
@flakpanda I can also confirm, since I watched the same stream; that the CSM designer removed the option for Cult units to be troops on purpose.
Unless he was just embarrassed to be called out on it and just on the fly said it was intentional :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2017 14:28
makes sense, otherwise they get obsec and a lot more access to CP
James
@skonk
Aug 15 2017 14:29
but currently Death Guard and Thousand sons can still do it since they don't use the Codex
and the change was not a datasheet change
so its not an issue of the data sheets being replaced
they also can't actually use the normal marines
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 14:31
we're not going to know how it's "supposed" to play out until we see the DG codex.
Like you say, DG and TS can't currently take normal CSM, they only have cult troops.
whereas the other two always had access to normal CSM.
James
@skonk
Aug 15 2017 14:38
yeh
i don't see them adding CSM's back to those 2 legions tho
i wouldn't bet against the FAQ contradicting what the guy said on the stream tbh
purely because I don't see how they can change it for DG and TS when TS lost the use of normal marines even back in 7th (if you wanted to run the grand coven)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 14:42
no, I don't see them changing it for DG and TS either.
I don't think they're giving them back to the others though.
James
@skonk
Aug 15 2017 14:43
it just seems odd to change it just for those 2, makes me think it WAS a mistake but he didn't want to fess up :)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 14:43
if all a WE player ever buys is berzerkers where will they get their money? :)
I expect they'll faq the Servants of X rule back in because WE should only be Khorne and EC should only be Slaanesh.
which is not what the rules say at the minute.
James
@skonk
Aug 15 2017 14:45
aye
thing is, when they FAQ'd stuff in the indexes
the codexes which may contain the same mistakes will have already gone off for print
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2017 14:50
almost certainly. I can't remember if it was C:SM or C:CSM that they said was finalised in January.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 15 2017 19:27
almost ready for Wargames con :P
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 15 2017 19:30
Eww lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 15 2017 19:32
and im playing him as scabeiathrax, not a GUO
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 15 2017 21:57
just need to get base colors on the scorpion tonight and I can then attach the custom plexi base