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17th
Aug 2017
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 17 2017 00:42
ok, bugs are going to have to wait. Game of Thrones s7e6 has leaked and is apparently a amazing pay off episode
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 17 2017 03:15
@flakpanda Linky? :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 17 2017 03:38
aaaaah I love my Kodi box
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 17 2017 04:23
lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 17 2017 05:36
@CrusherJoe is there primer packet? or at least how scoring will work?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 05:42
@FarseerVeraenthis , did GW announce that everyone gets cheaper power fists now? If you've changed it in the gst, won't every army get the cheaper cost even those who shouldn't have it yet?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 17 2017 05:49
No they didn't, and yes they will, so it needs to be changed back in the gst before the next release... It was late and I wasn't thinking clearly... Can someone grab it please :+1:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 06:00
If no one gets to it in the next hour I'll do it when I get to work.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 17 2017 06:25
:kiss:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 07:15
does anyone have a decent pdf/image set for the Dark Vengeance chaos models?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 08:17
@FarseerVeraenthis, I've changed the power fist back in the PR I have open.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 17 2017 09:03
cool ta :-)
although, that does mean the bug report about power fist cost probably needs re-opening, because all the space marine based CAT's will need to be updated
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Aug 17 2017 09:10
@FarseerVeraenthis thanks for sorting the Wolves bugs etc, Sorry i've not been around much. Work & the wife have been kicking my ass since the house move
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 09:11
do you mean #1164? The only one in there that might still need doing is the single one from the SM cat (and maybe Deathwatch, if @acebaur didn't do them in his updates?). All the others either shouldn't change (non-Codex SM, AM, etc.) or have been done (Codex Chaos)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 17 2017 09:14
yes, I didn't do anything for space wolves, so they're still linked to the GST at 20 points... SM Cat was done previously... should Dark Angels and the other non-Codex SM's get 12 point Power Fists?? Because I don't know which ones do/don't have them at themoment
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 09:15
If they're non-Codex, then they don't get the new points as far as I'm aware.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 17 2017 09:15
looks at list again
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 09:16
I suspect the single entry in the SM cat is a replacement for the GST version. I had fewer entries so I modified them all individually rather than making a local copy.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 17 2017 09:16
right, nothing to do then, that means ONLY the SM CAT should have 12 point Power fists... perhaps... so you could run Codex:SM's with a Dangle detachement and they would have different cost power fists??
because in the index it references the SM points list
(I wonder if GW themselves even understand how much of a tangle this points system is creating...??)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 09:17
Yes, it's weird, but they do have different costs atm
it's their own fault for getting PF cost wrong in the Index. :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 17 2017 09:18
hahahaha!! it did seem a little spendy when a sword/maul/axe was only 4pts...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 09:19
I'm just waiting (and hoping) that they clear up the "cult marines as Troops" issue when they release the C:CSM FAQ on Saturday.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 17 2017 09:19
leave that issue closed, although, if Dangles are at 20, Deathwatch should still be at 20 points, and so on un til their Codex comes out or they FAQ the points in the Index (not likely)
and yes, that would be nice
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 10:21
@ilaunchbury not the best but I have these photos of the Dark Vengeance stuff: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c6o5ms1odk38w9p/AAAXCtOsKqhfOLoj1Z_eXbQCa?dl=0
They could do with being added though because it's the only way to run some of those models with loadouts that match how they're modelled :)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 10:25
yeah, I've put them in based on some blurry pictures i found, but I had to make up the point values.
that link isn't loading for me...
he said as it loaded....
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 10:31
@skonk, are there any points value for them?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 17 2017 10:32
Don't they use newest point values published as normal?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 10:35
That's what I've used. However, as they're effectively "named characters" (even if some of them are units), I thought they might have a fixed cost.
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 10:37
sadly that's all I got hold of when I snaffled em ages ago
i'll see if they have a copy of the book at my local shop if I get chance
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 10:38
np, I'll just use the latest costs. The Chosen unit is staying at 8PL though :)
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 10:38
:)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 10:38
it's the cheeky bonus power fist tax.
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 10:41
at the mo im at work, bored
so I took the CSM dex pdf and printed all the data sheet pages, 4 per sheet of a4
but them out
and now im laminating them
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 10:41
2nd edition style!
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 10:42
but = cut
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 17 2017 10:42
There are no points in the DV update
@cartag and I both have copies
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 17 2017 10:44
ok, I'll just leave them as the points for the equivalent unit.
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 11:09
data sheet cards all laminated and trimmed :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 17 2017 11:09
Is the exalted champ unable to get axe/combi too?
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 11:10
he can have that
replace bolt pistol with pistols, combis, melee
replace chainsword with pistols or melee
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 17 2017 11:16
Ok so the model is still totally useable as a vanilla exChamp, just like vrosh is - just not an asChamp
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 11:27
why?
he is NOT unable to do what you said
you can change his melee weapon to any melee weapon you like and he can, at the same time, have a combi-weapon
oh sorry I misread what you said :)
thought you said totally unusable lol
downside is he has no inv shield
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 17 2017 11:29
Lol
That's true
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 11:29
;)
ive seen a lot of people comparing him to the dark apostle, as in which to take
id take both, stick em together with a blob of something really hitty
reroll all hits and all wounds, nice
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 11:36
Gencon... Day 1...let the awesomeness begin!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 17 2017 13:15
@flakpanda here ya go
WGC GT.pdf
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 17 2017 13:39
(sorry for the wonky page order -- that's in booklet layout and so the pages are in the order they should be printed to make the actual booklet) (getting that set up right was my little project LOL)
Lucas Massa - The Lord of the Miniatures
@lsmassa
Aug 17 2017 17:37
Hi guys, thanks for adding me. I'll work on the data files for the A Song of Ice & Fire Miniature Games
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 19:27
these cards i made are brill
tekton
@tekton
Aug 17 2017 20:00
@skonk which cards?
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 20:07
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Got bored at work so printed the data sheets off, 4 pages per sheet of A4.... then laminated them and trimmed em up a bit
idea being, most lists only have 5 or 6 different units so can just sit the appropriate cards on the table rather than faffing about flicking through the pages of the dex
tekton
@tekton
Aug 17 2017 20:14
@skonk nice! I was thinking about doing something similar with pictures of my units and BS output...
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 20:14
:)
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 21:06
Those are sweet
I met Phil Kelly today
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:07
nice
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 17 2017 21:08
Sweet
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:08
so this...
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Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 21:09
Yeah it was cool, we talked about the design choices as far as the options included or not I the codexes
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:09
So the 3 god based spells are part of the Dark Hereticus discipline arn't they?
i dunno why but it didnt actually register with me that they were part of the same spell disc lol
so with the recent FAQ update, Magnus can cast the +1 Inv thing on himself :)
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:14
What did he say @acebaur
What gets me with all that is the guys on the GW stream have said that the design team looked at what model kits they made and how parts from different kits can go together and then for GK they made units to use the combined kits.
but in the same stream they said they removed things like Apothecary on a Bike, Khan on a Bike etc because they don't make models for them......
Yet, just like with the GK stuff, you can simply buy 2 different kits and combine them to make those missing models
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 21:17
Yeah Phil said that they looked at the game because of the massive change from 8th and thought about it from a new player perspective and if they read something like chaplain on a bike and were like that's cool I want to play that and then go to the site and it doesn't exist that's bad
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:17
chaos lost a bunch too. Lord/Sorc on Juggernaught, on Palaquin, on Bike, on Disc
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 21:17
So they made the decision to put units and options like that into the index so veterans can still use them but new players aren't turned off of the game
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:17
yeh
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 21:18
He also said that GW wasn't precluding the possibility of having a chaplain on a bike (or insert other units here) in the future
Based on his reaction to my question about that, we can definitely expect to see things like chaplain on a bike in the future
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:18
And did he then go on to say why everything he just told you was bollox because they did the exact opposite for Grey Knights?
I wish I was there so I could have fucking roasted him when he said that
in fact im going to warhammer world on saturday, hope I get hold of someone to rage at
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 21:21
You mean about the conversions?
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:21
yes
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 21:21
Are there units that don't have mini's in the GK book?
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:21
while removing converted models from 2 codexes, they simultaneously added several converted models to the other codex
yes
this months White Dwarf even has a feckin tutorial on how to build one of them
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 21:22
That's kind of crazy, I wish I had known that I would have asked him lol
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:22
honestly
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 21:22
I'll send if he is still here tomorrow and ask
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:22
i would have called him a shit talking cunt to his face
well, maybe not :) but i'd have thought it while looking directly at him
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 17 2017 21:25
that second one is real funny
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:25
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 17 2017 21:25
you can't even get that figure anymore iirc
it was the special GW retail store exclusive mini availible for a limited time shit.
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:26
lol
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 17 2017 21:28
Couldn't you just use any guy in the baby carrier to represent?
tekton
@tekton
Aug 17 2017 21:29
You can use Voldus as the grand master to put in the baby carrier
James
@skonk
Aug 17 2017 21:29
odly enough
you can buy voldus... and a dreadknight kit
and use bits from both
kinda like what you do to put a Lord on a Bike :)
which reminds me, i could make some cards for the stuff missing from the codex tomorrow while im at work
Lucas Massa - The Lord of the Miniatures
@lsmassa
Aug 17 2017 22:51
Hi guys, need a little help: just uploaded the files for the data of SIaF Game into the BSDATA. What I have to do so it appears in the BS data files homepage?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 17 2017 23:11
you have to do a release from the releases page. appspot refreshes every 12-ish hours, so you'll have to wait a while for it to be available in client
Lucas Massa - The Lord of the Miniatures
@lsmassa
Aug 17 2017 23:11
thanks!