These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

18th
Aug 2017
Cubanis Sternwolf
@CubanoConGitHub
Aug 18 2017 01:09
can someone explain to me why SW doesn't get cheaper PF if the Index SM wargear points got updated in the SM codex?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 01:09
Because SW are supposed to use Index valuse.
you can use C:SM values, but you're suppose to use index.
it's the fuck us, right of GW
Cubanis Sternwolf
@CubanoConGitHub
Aug 18 2017 01:11
that sits very poorly with me...that effectively means SW are at a points disadvantage permanently until their codex is out
that doesn't jive with the spirit of the...thing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 01:11
Index values are still considered default legal for DA/BA/SW
yup, so are BA and DA
welcome to the croud.
crowd*
Cubanis Sternwolf
@CubanoConGitHub
Aug 18 2017 01:12
how did GW clarify that
or is that TO consensus
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 01:12
it's so that you only have to buy C:SM if you play codex marines; not if you play DA/BA/SW
nop that's straight from the GWC page
Cubanis Sternwolf
@CubanoConGitHub
Aug 18 2017 01:13
i really wish the'd release all datasheets/point values online
Cubanis Sternwolf
@CubanoConGitHub
Aug 18 2017 01:14
i admit i'm new to WH but have they done indexes before?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 01:14
no
well, not since 3rd ed
Cubanis Sternwolf
@CubanoConGitHub
Aug 18 2017 01:16
technically the post mentions data sheets (and implies PL) but does not mention using the points from the index
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 01:16
if you're using sheets from index, that implies points too
Cubanis Sternwolf
@CubanoConGitHub
Aug 18 2017 01:16
how
points are deliberately at the back for easy revision
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 01:17
because they have not faq'd the index points to be same as C:SM
they have FAQ'd points, but they have not changed them to reflect codex.
Cubanis Sternwolf
@CubanoConGitHub
Aug 18 2017 01:18
they wouldn't have to if codex points was intended
and i've seen nothing so far that explicitly refers to points
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 01:18
yes, they would.
they would have to FAQ because if it was intended, they would FAQ so there's no confusion.
the fact that they haven't, means they are still valid.
means they are still used for SW/BA/DA
and really, if you REALLY want to use new units/points, just child detachment in SM.
Cubanis Sternwolf
@CubanoConGitHub
Aug 18 2017 01:21
unfortunately SW cannot with their melee weapons on SW-exclusive units
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 01:21
that is correct
same with DCO
trust me, it's not just SW that have this problem.
but our codecies are supposed to be comming soon, so meh
Cubanis Sternwolf
@CubanoConGitHub
Aug 18 2017 01:22
i realize that, but the thought process seems inconsistent with the FAQ on index/codex weapon loadouts for models which lack weapons options in the current model line
guess i just need to be patient
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 18 2017 03:27
@CubanoConGitHub don't worry my man, us Warriors of Fenris will get our Codex soon. Hopefully it'll also include Thunderwolves with some suck removed.
Also, powerfists are pretty much trash now anyway. D3 damage is a joke. Thunderhammers are the new powerfists.
Actually I've been taking power mauls on my TWC with the pack leader taking a TH
Storm Shields all around, of course
Though I hate to admit it, my Wolves are on the shelf until they get a new 'dex
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 18 2017 03:32
I've been playing The Boys in Blue with The Girls in Black lately, and it's been a blast. :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 03:40
Ok if anyone still plays soulstorm, you HAVE to download ultimate apoc
Those 4 mods together create the most awesomesauce thing ever!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 18 2017 05:57
Oh, I was playing that the other night... What does it do??
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 18 2017 07:28
Oh, also, I managed to table an opponent in 4 turns with my Deathwatch...!! Awesomeness!!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 11:40
It adds units for all the races, makes bugs a playable faction, and basically is awesome
Damnit looks like I'm gunna need to put down my 20yo cat tomorrow
Her gums are fucked
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 18 2017 11:44
Aww, I'm sorry
I've been there and it's not easy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 11:46
Yeah I had to put down one of my other old cats this time last year because of hyperthyroidism - it's a bitch
But they're both 18-20 so old cats
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 18 2017 11:58
That's a great life for a cat. Most cats don't live that long
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 18 2017 11:58
I'm sorry to hear that @alphalas . Losing a furry family member is rough to say the least. I feel for ya.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 18 2017 14:13
20 years is a really good age for a cat. The had a long and pleasant life... it is always sad to let a family member go (I just remember when mine got diagnosed with that cancer, which is still not back yet) and that feeling... I dont envy you for that. But she got the most a cat can hope for. So try to focus on that she couldnt have gotten more and finally reached the end of her long, pleasant journey.
And now old man's tearing up, I can't deal with that kind of stuff very well :P
cartag
@cartag
Aug 18 2017 14:14
Sorry to hear it man, we lost our cat of 16 years earlier this year.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 14:15
oh trust me, all our cats are better off whit us.
theyre all rescues of some sort
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 18 2017 14:16
I dont doubt that for a fraction of a second
which makes the time it could spend with you even more precious
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 14:17
our soon to be oldest was from a feral colony, lady the one who we gotta put down was a stray, groot i literally picked up off the side of the road as a kitten...
only one we had who wasnt was our tom paddington - he went to live at my dads and passed away there at like age 21
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 18 2017 14:18
you make them some serious methusalem cats
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 18 2017 14:18
yeah.
mossy (the former feral) is 18; then its steel (16, was found in a steel trashcan), groot and yazzy are both 3
baby marshmallow was 20, paddington was 21, lady is 20.
you'd barely know mossy is as old as she is - she plays with groot and yaz a lot
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 18 2017 14:22
sounds like a cat heaven made by cat gods for their cat... pets
consistently getting that age out of cats speaks of some very well cared for pets