These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

21st
Aug 2017
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 21 2017 07:35
@alphalas yep, thats the same guy. His next 40k project... Dude is pretty awesome :P
James
@skonk
Aug 21 2017 07:50
Went to warhammer world on Sat; was good, spent loads of money on shite
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 21 2017 07:50
anyone mind if I modify gst pts values according to BSData/wh40k#1311 ?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 21 2017 09:35
Erm, yeah, because non-codex marines don't have access to the codex points...
This was discussed when I changed the power fist cost in the gst for space wolves...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 21 2017 09:37
confusing shit. Index, C:SM, use this from there, use that from there and this from the faq and this again from a 4th source...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 21 2017 09:40
Uhuh
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Aug 21 2017 09:51
And they said this edition would stop you needing loads of books....
James
@skonk
Aug 21 2017 09:52
But the info from GW is that you always use the most recently published points
so why would they not take on the new points if its the same wargear item?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 21 2017 10:04
So you don't have to buy the codex to play a non-codex SM army
That info from GW is for options that are in the index but not in the codex
I. E. Weapons and wargear options for codex datasheets that only exist in the index, use points from the codex
James
@skonk
Aug 21 2017 10:07
the line from GW seems to be that if you own the codex you can use anything that got updated
if you dont own it, you use the old one
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 21 2017 10:07
Dark Angels datasheets don't exist in the codex
James
@skonk
Aug 21 2017 10:08
but the wargear does
a powerfist is a powerfist etc
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 21 2017 10:22
So, you're forcing people to buy the codex then...
Even if they are waiting for the Dark Angels codex and never want to use straight marones
James
@skonk
Aug 21 2017 10:27
its like the chaos spells
index there are 3 spells
codex there are 9
but both are still "Dark Hereticus"
so thousand sons, which uses Dark Hereticus but are themselves not part of the CSM codex can either stick with the 3 spells from the index
or get the codex and use the expanded 9 spell discipline
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 21 2017 10:30
So they can wait for their own codex and just use three spells for now, or buy the codex and have all 6 now
James
@skonk
Aug 21 2017 10:31
the TS codex will likely add some new tzeetch specific spells too
but yeh, TS right now with no codex of their own, are much more powerful when using the CSM codex spells
gives them 7 different spells they can cast (they cant use the nurgle or slaanesh ones)
Death Guard also benefitted from a vastly updated Plague Marine datasheet and loads of new wargear
and points reductions
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 21 2017 10:38
@skonk to the best of our understanding, Chapter specific units still need to use index values for wargear as they are from Index.
There has been no FAQ saying DCo or Grey Hunters use values from C:SM
Because Index is still default for BA/DA/SW, we still need to support those values as default.
If people want to use the newer units with newer points costs from c:sm, multi-detachment
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 21 2017 10:57
Also, on the subject of spells, they are worded differently, in the datasheet it references "the dark hereticus discipline" not the particular spells ;-)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 21 2017 11:00
this choosy&picky rules&points part is a mess.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 21 2017 11:01
It really is
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 21 2017 11:03
Totally agree on that point!
Perhaps it's just part of a "just as planned" to get people to use power levels....!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 21 2017 11:06
Honestly if it weren't for the apparent inability of FW to balance their stuff against the rest of the game; PL would be good
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 21 2017 13:31
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It was blue when I got it lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 21 2017 18:57
@alphalas PL will always be crap unless they make you increase PL for options over 15pts equivalent
because you can make a 9PL DW kill team with full kit cost over 400points
so if you're facing Genestealer cult, guard, deathwatch, or marines on straight PL, bend over and find the lube if you are not also one of those 4 factions
the assumption of "medium wargear choices" is what sank it, its the only thing they didn't seem to learn from AoS. if its free, people WILL take all the options
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 21 2017 22:03
@/all is anyone else planning on going to Iron Halo GT?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Aug 21 2017 22:13
Whereabouts?
Bartlesville, OK is the city. A few of us went last year and had a great time. It sold out last year and I expect the same this year. It's a fun event.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Aug 21 2017 22:47
Suburb of Tulsa or something?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 21 2017 22:49
North of Tulsa by like an hour
It's a day's drive for us from Austin, but it's a fun event