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31st
Aug 2017
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Aug 31 2017 02:08
that article was such a tease i was getting into it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 03:11
well, that dunks the rumors for the release list
glad to see Craftworlds before the holidays though
now my goal is to actually have my stuff ready by then
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 31 2017 05:28
Uhuh, now I need to get painting my Deathwatch even faster... I think I might abandon the target and just paint what I feel like :smile:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 31 2017 06:41
In honour of the announcement I'm going to actually use my Eldar for the first time in 8th tonight :smile: just need to bash an army list into shape to face chaos marines... I'm thinking Reapers, fire dragons rangers a falcon and then some HQ choices... Might throw in some guardians but I know he's bringing a sicaran and probably a comtemptor... We'll see what happens :smile:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 31 2017 07:20
ffs @GenWilhelm .... I knew if ANYBODY would, it's you :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 09:13
:D
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Aug 31 2017 09:15
"we are only supplying rules for models we currently sell."
"We are going to trial some new rules to allow you to design your very own Land Raider variants and field these behemoths on the battlefields of the 41st Millennium."
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 09:19
Yey ares
Probably hyperios too
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe EYES the warham-comm article
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 09:35
So no Space Wolves until...later
Neat.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 09:44
ah, the custom vehicle thing is open play, where its pretty much anything goes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 09:46
I think it's time to get some conscripts in my (gaming) life
And a commisar
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe reads, then re-reads a rule
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 09:48
Okaaaaaaaay
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 09:49
yeah, commissars are bestest buds with conscripts
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 09:49
So Celestine does in fact have the Shield of Faith rule, which means she can deny the witch with a single D6. Huh. You'd think I would have known that.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 09:50
huh, i never considered that either. i mostly just think of that rule as a 6++
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 09:51
I've not attempted to DTW in tournaments because I didn't think she had the SoF rule herself
The More You Know.png
So I know this is no secret knowledge that I'm discovering here but I begin to understand what all the fuss is over Conscripts. Cheap as well, immune to Battleshock with a Commissar, and can be juiced up with a Ministorum Priest and/or Celestine
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 09:54
dont forget your officer to double their shots
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 09:55
Right...what, a Platoon Commander?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 09:55
yeah, or a company commander between two squads
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 09:59
I'm envisioning something like this (:) where ( = conscripts : = commissar and co commander and )= moar conscripts
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:00
Or, might I interest you in DKOK
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:00
LOL
As it turns out I know quite a bit about DKOK
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:02
I've been trying to mathammer my way into beating a friend of mine from Houston that won WZH and got Best General at WGC
His list, of course, is some bullshit
Elysians have pretty good orders too
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:03
Something something space elves something dark reaper spam something pointy eared jerks
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:03
Lol
Unfortunately Elysians party trick is kinda nerfed in Matched play
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:04
I have a couple of friends that have lots of IG still on the sprue
And I've wanted to re-build Leafblower
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:05
There's a local guy who's perfected it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:05
(Fun Trivia Fact: Nick Rose, who made Leafblower famous, is a good friend of mine. I bought the original army from him and went on to prove that yes, you can, in fact, lose games with Leafblower)
But I lost it with my other 40K stuff in my divorce/life insantiy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:06
Minotaur, 3 hydras, 3 wyverns, 2 manticores, 2 full conscripts, 2 commissars, and yarrik
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:06
Yeah that'll do it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:06
Oh yeah and a detta
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:07
Well...yeah, why not?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:07
Lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:07
There were two in the Leafblower I think
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:08
Pretty much he castles the tanks in a corner around yarrik, and then screens the conscripts at 16"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:08
A-yep
The real secret sauce to the original Leafblower was the Psycher Battle Squad
Those jerks in a Chimera would just ruin people's day
And now that they are getting a new book perhaps they'll get stronger
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:11
Indeed
They're garbage now tbh
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:12
I also expect Celestine to get a points bump in Chapter Approved.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:12
Probably
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:12
Pretty much all psychic powers are...meh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:12
Yup
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:12
I mean, I get it, I really do: Invis and VoT were REDONKULOUS together
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:13
One of my local guys is insisting that guard weapons should cost the same as marines
Aka no 2pt discount on hbolter, etc
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:14
free boltguns though :D
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:14
I can see his point, but it's kinda always been the IG thing to get cheaper weapons
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:14
But he's just also super-salty about that leafblower list
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:14
They are, after all, just guardsmen. :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:14
Exactly
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:14
its almost as though some armies use weapons better than other armies
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:15
And you can only make them so cheap to counter the price of weapons
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:15
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:16
Who here remembers the free guardsmen DK list?
Iirc it was SAV DK
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:16
Okay I'm pretty sure you're just stringing consonants together now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:17
Lol siege assault vanguard Death Korps
The infantry squads, you literally only paid for weapons UPGRADES and the watchmaster
Basic guardsmen w/ lasguns were free
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:18
that sounds like the old joke about conscripts
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:18
It was!
But it was an actual thing
It was so dumb
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:19
which edition was this?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:19
4e? It was one of the vraks books
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:20
I'm pretty sure the days of free units are behind us
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:20
spore mines intensify
jokes aside, are there any other units that are free?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:22
Oh the unit wasn't free
You paid for the SGT, and if you wanted Flamers/plasma/melta/grenade
The guardsmen themselves were free
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:23
Sure
That's not free at all lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:23
It is when the base cost was 50pts lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:24
I played battle co in 7th and I'm glad for no more free stuff
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:24
how are the guardsmen free if you pay a base cost?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:25
Because it was much lower cost then similarly costed guardsmen squads
It worked out that they were basically a half-point each
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:25
On the other hand I'm very interested in Codex: Space Elves
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:25
Which in 4e was basically free
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:27
Not because I want to play them, but because that release will let us know how serious GW really is about this whole "balance" thing
C:SM -- more or less meh
Codex Heretics -- less meh, pretty great in some places
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:28
i just want to see "tactics" for something that isnt mon-keigh
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:29
C:GK -- they had to import more meh to include in that book for all the men it contains
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:29
I'm excite that we may see Catachan, Vosty, Vallhallan, and mordian love
Tallarn is probably dead
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:29
Don't forget Praetorians
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:29
give me steel legion, or give me death
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:30
Whole U.K. has to be Middle-eastern friendly
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:30
steel legion is so much fun this edition
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:30
Good point on steel legion
Especially since the rumor is Armageddon for the next campaign
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:30
So we'll see when Eldar book drops if they crank it up to 19 again with them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:31
Speaking of Armageddon, how bout that bit from the beast arises?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:31
Eldar player tears taste like candy when they complain about point costs
"Yes that's what the rest of us have felt like for 3 editions."
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:33
im glad they got nerfed already
i played against a cheese monger at the start of this edition and it was not a pretty sight
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:34
I was so happy when my friend pulled out his dark Eldar army that hadn't seen the light of day since 5e
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:34
So, who has read the Beast Series?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:35
Last 40k fluff I read was the novellas after GW bumrushed Fenris

wolflivesmatter

Erik
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:36
Do you know the premise of the beast series?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:36
thrakka on armageddon?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:36
Something something ork something goofy because orks
I'm allergic to orks
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:37
Basically it's m35; and suddenly orks are invading segmentum solar; Terra to be exact
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:37
Goatboy (Thomas) is a good friend of mine. I still remember all the places on the doll where the job bikers touched me
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:37
IFists are wiped out, and it's revealed that the emps didn't wipe out all the orks on ullanor
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:38
Nob bikers that is
Wait what
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:39
IFists have to be rebuilt from all the second founding chapters, and Imperium reinvades ulanor
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:39
Orks on Terra
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:39
YUP!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:39
Smh
Sure GW
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:40
They're lead by an ork who's name is The Beast, or Alternatively I Am Slaughter
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:40
You sure it's not I Am Groot
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:40
He makes Gazzy look like a shrimp
Just wait, there's a reason I Am Slaughter/ The Beast is pertinent
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:41
So I have a love hate relationship with Orks
Mainly, Ork players.
Well some of them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:42
So Imperium kills The Beast, and reinvades ullanor
They get smacked around a bit, and discover there are 3 "Beast Class" orks in charge, not just the one they killed
So they finally start destroying orks because SUDDENLY, VULKAN
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:44
They have a tendency to be really lazy hobbyists, slopping things together and calling it "orky". However, in the hands of a competent/non-lazy hobbyist they can look great
HOLD ON ONE SECOND
The Big V
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:45
Vulkan falls into a WAAAAAAAGH Reactor (apparently a thing; used to create more Waaaagh energy then orks usually collectively create) while fighting the last Beast.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:45
.......
Where's my triple facepalm gif
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:45
Beast and vulkan die, but obviously, vulkan resurrected
After this, High Lords decided that Ullanor needs to be blown the fuck up
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:47
That's two words I never want to hear sequentially ever again. waagh and reactor
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:47
Enter asshole magos who wants to study the orks, because he's fascinated by how they came from nothing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:48
They don't come from nothing. They're Space Shrooms
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:48
So asshole magos teleports the fething planet, claiming it's destroyed
Well they didn't know this then
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:49
Man you were doing so good until you got to waagh reactor
Then it was ALL ABOARD THE FAIL TRAIN
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:49
So everyone thinks planet is destroyed, Imperium is happy, and magos is being dumb studying orks
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:50
Was he randomly dropping them into a waagh reactor?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:50
Oh, btw, to cover up the fact he teleported the fething planet, he "discovers" a new planet, and calls it, wait for it...
Armageddon
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:50
How many light bulbs can you power with a waagh reactor?
.....
Sooooo
Basically
Armageddon is the result of some magos wanking things up
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:52
Yup
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:52
...and a waagh reactor
(No I'm not letting that go lol)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:52
And the orks on Armageddon aren't invading, they're returning to their ancestral home
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:53
Called back by the beacon that is the waagh reactor
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:53
Lol
Oh yeah, remember how I said the names the beast/I am slaughter are important?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:53
Ugh. Waagh reactor is the literary equivalent of a sloppy ork hobbyist
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:54
Well, during the invasion of Terra, the orks were broadcasting their leaders name over all vox channels
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:55
Okay
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:56
Of course it was in orkish - and the beast/I am slaughter in orkish is, wait for it...
Urk Mag Thrakka
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:57
I suppose I should recognize that, but I don't
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 10:58
thrakka on armageddon
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:58
Ghazkull's name
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:58
So he's the re-spore of The Beast
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 10:59
Quite possibly
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 10:59
Sure
Why not
If Guilliman can come back why not Beast
So can someone please explain to me how GW (well FW I guess) can get things so very right and so very wrong with the same army/faction?
FOR EXAMPLE
Brass Scorpion: Khorne daemon engine done right. So right. So very, very right.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 11:03
Because FW
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 11:04
Lord of Skulls (aka, "The Khornemower"): daemon engine that must be the result of a sculptor, absinthe, and a deep sense of self-loathing and an intense desire to self-parody. No, really: that damned thing is like a caricature of a daemon engine, or something a 5 year old would dream up
James
@skonk
Aug 31 2017 11:05
I like the look of the Lord of Skulls
lots of people like it
its all subjecive
or subjective even
i also like the look of the brass scorpion tho :)
i own both
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 11:07
I mean, the Kytan is right there
James
@skonk
Aug 31 2017 11:07
which i dont like the look of
the legs dont look right to me
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 11:08
The Brass Scorpion is the pinnacle of Khorne daemon engines IMHO
I remember the first time I saw that model -- I was intimidated by how great is was
James
@skonk
Aug 31 2017 11:08
it looks good but its just a big metal insect
what does that have to do with Korne?
the lord of skulls is fully themed to match the god
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 11:09
I guess the reason I don't dig the LoS is because of the lack of legs. It's like half an action figure stuck on top of another toy.
James
@skonk
Aug 31 2017 11:10
well its supposed to be fuelled by blood and the tanks on the back and where its stored
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 11:10
Like...do one or the other. Eh. You're right, it's all subjective.
James
@skonk
Aug 31 2017 11:10
like i said, its all subjective :)
ah, wrote that at the same time as u
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 11:10
That's because Great Minds Think Alike
James
@skonk
Aug 31 2017 11:10
heh
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 11:11
I know there are things that I like that I'm sure others look at and go, "Why, Joe, why?"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 31 2017 11:35
That story sounds plausibly daft @alphalas
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 11:40
Like I said I was on board until he said "waagh reactor"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 11:40
Other fun things - kyril Sindermann became an inquisitor
Also Eldrad discovered that the fates of humanity and Eldar are twinned
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 31 2017 11:43
twined or twinned? because there's differing implications there
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 31 2017 11:44
as in intertwined
However I don't consider Eldrad to be a reliable source of information LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 11:46
As in the fate of the eldar relies on humanity surviving
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 31 2017 12:50
Sindermann = inquisitor is a bit daft...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 13:00
Remember after Eisenstine Malcador told Sindermann, Keeler, and Garro that they all would help him found the inquisition
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 31 2017 13:02
Oh sindermann was there too... Yeah I only read that book last month or something, obviously not very thoroughly!!
I thought he was mainly addressing Garro, but yeah, they were all there...
I've got lots of fluff to catch up with...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 13:04
Lol
Yeah it was sindermann, keeler, Garro, and Qruze
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 31 2017 13:07
:+1:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 31 2017 13:16
Fascinating stuff :smile:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 31 2017 13:23
not as fascinating as a - wait for it - WAAAGH reactor.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 31 2017 13:24
"I suggest we take off and nuke the site from orbit"
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Aug 31 2017 16:45
Question: is there an example in the 40k files, or does someone have an example of an equivalent to the AoS "battleline if" where the flag is a Global item coming from the gst? IE This a specific unit is a Warlord, [Warlord trait being added to the gst] and if this unit (from the cat) is flagged as the Warlord, then an alternate unit unhides and becomes troops. I can get the unhides, when the "Warlord" trait is flagged... but it is non-determinate and is in hiding for all instances of Warlord...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 16:55
dios mio
IMG_1804(1).JPG
and i have yet to build the second mortis engine and Arkan.
this is a commission i'm working on
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Aug 31 2017 17:16
@alphalas nice! That looks like a bunch of spooky ghosts :) hope you ain't afraid of no ghosts Jon ... (though ... I guess they called you to deal with them, instead of Ghostbusters...)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 17:17
yeah - pretty much everything will be painted nihilakh oxide with drybrushed colors
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 17:23
hey @GenWilhelm if you wanna squash those bugs, go for it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 17:57
so who else is annoyed with the current fate of konor newspost?
"The final week of the campaign dawns – here, the Fate of Konor will be truly decided. The winner on Loebos will win the entire campaign, and with both sides making strong showings, it’s impossible to say at this stage who will win."
so the previous 5 weeks don't matter, jokes on everyone
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 17:59
well i think the concept is if chaos can win this one, the imperium has overall lost because it didn't decisively win
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 17:59
it's still a giant middle finger to everyone who invested in the idea of a grand campaign and got most of thier painting/games/etc done in the first couple weeks
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 17:59
but if imperium wins, it is a decisive win and hurray
yeah, and that's why imperium is loosing - because everyone burnt out first 2 weeks.
i think it's more a everyone should have paced themselves irl
but w/e.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:00
example: "hey I'm going to paint this army for konor" [gets 90% of it done in weeks 1-3] GW: "get fucked buddy, only stuff painted in the last week counts"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:01
they're hardly saying that though
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:01
why pacing? even if you only partially completed it's meaningless
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:01
because you have been getting credit each week
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:01
and yet none of it counts towards final resolution
at all
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:01
sure it does.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:01
no
go re-read
"The final week of the campaign dawns – here, the Fate of Konor will be truly decided. The winner on Loebos will win the entire campaign, and with both sides making strong showings, it’s impossible to say at this stage who will win."
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:02
yeah
i'm understanding that as the impeium needs to make a decisive win
which is kinda what they always said.
what happens if chaos were to win?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:02
I'm understanding it as everything I contributed matters fuck and all
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:02
call the campaign a draw?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:02
and so are a LOT of other people
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:02
how does that get anywhere?
really, what they should have done is make it a 5 week campaign, not 6
because now if chaos were to win this week without the winner-take-all, how the fuck do you advance from there?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:04
plenty of different ways
what I think irks me is that it was not announced, was not even mentioned prior to today, which is leaving many people with distaste
if we knew about it, I wouldn't be angry
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:05
really now? any way that constructively moves the story forward?
but they did from go.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:05
no they did not
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:05
they did say one side would win, one would loose
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:05
they even made a comment that all weeks would matter
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:05
that precludes a draw
yes, they do.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:05
because of the previous debacles of medusa and eye of terror
and now they're repeating it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:06
no, they're making sure there's not the drawn result of "well, fuck, nobody won"
if chaos hadn't won 2 weeks in a row, this wouldnt be an issue period.
look, i've run shit like this locally
the big mistake was 6 weeks.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:07
so go to a tiebreaker week, that would make more sense
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:08
they did say there would be a winner/loser from go.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:08
they've got plenty of time to prep for one, and no major events tied to the finish date
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:08
you know how far out stores had this stuff?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:08
and even with 6 weeks, add upt the collective scores of all planets, there's your winner
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:08
my store got it 3 weeks advance
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:09
at least then the shit people did in week 1 still matters
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:09
it did matter - for that week
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:09
that's like saying "you are the best at being irrelevant"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:10
happens all the fucking time.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:10
didn't have to happen here
could have been avoided multiple different ways
add up all planets and take the difference for a winner, go by regions held, go to a week seven for tiebreaker with the details published online (they have 12 days, plenty of time), or even just take the tie and turn konor into an ongoing warzone
4 ways that don't invalidate previous weeks
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 31 2017 18:17
Which would you be more upset about; GW saying that there will be a clear winner at the end from the outset, then because each side one three weeks saying well shit we lied there's no clear winner sorry and throwing out the results, or the way they are doing it?
They kind of back themselves into a corner from go; while your result ideas could make logical sense, they don't really work with the way GW set it up from the outset
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 31 2017 18:28
I'd rather them pick a clear winner using results from the entire campaign period, rather than a single week, which I think I made clear enough
the easiest method of doing so being planetary regions or control scores added up and then the greater being declared winner
and its easy enough to write, whoever has the higher control can slowly push out the rest of the invasion force
or the defending force, as appropriate
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Aug 31 2017 20:21
And we have a planet that will crash into one of the imperial planets that Chaos lost for a complete Chaos Win.