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9 S6 AP-2 D1 ignore cover per bot
with double tap protocol
and rerolls from a TPD
thats like 108 shots rerolling
I am of course, talking about the uber combo of a full unit of 6 Robots with maxed Heavy Phosphor Blasters supported by Cawl and a unit of Destroyers, taking advantage of the Wrath of Mars and Elimination Volley stratagems. What this amounts to is a unit that puts out 108, 36″ range, strength 6 shots that are AP-2, ignore cover, hit on 3’s with rerolls and deal mortal wounds in addition to normal damage on wound rolls of a 6+. That is bonkers damage output, and few things in the game can take that and survive. This is further exacerbated by the fact that each Robot can send his 18 shots downrange at a separate target! Now, thankfully, when the Robots kick in their Protector Protocols it doubles their shots, no longer letting them shoot twice. This is a subtle but important distinction as they are not as efficient as they were. This combo also requires 4CP per turn to use, and costs 1,120pts+ to pull off. That all fits snugly in a patrol detachment, too, but you have to farm up a lot of command points in order to make this work, at least 8-12. You can make it function without the Destroyers who are pricey (but they go up to BS 3+ as well with the Elimination Volley stratagem and pump out serious firepower themselves) but you drop from 89% accuracy to 75%. If that’s worth saving the 2CP a turn is your call. Also, the Robots cannot go full speed on this until turn 2, and they cannot move if they use it. Without a Datasmith (further increasing the cost) they have to use a CP to activate their protocols and if they do, they can never change which isn’t a big deal unless they get tagged in melee in which case they will be unable to leave. And that is the other side of it: they are very vulnerable to getting shut down in the shooting phase through melee. Lastly, line of sight blocking terrain (which is utterly critical in 8th ed) makes this uber unit less viable as they can’t move when in mega mode.
We decided that the Canticles were the stronger image for the Army wide rule. However, they do pop back up in the Codex. We didn't want to box the miniatures designers in, so we are waiting to see what sort of awesome HQ comes out of the mind of Jes...
His reply upon being asked why Doctrina Imperatives were removed and why there was no Skitarii HQ option.