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26th
Oct 2017
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 00:41
so I did some screencap/blowups of scorpion's review
and it looks like the only actual change for the autarch is a keyword of some kind, and path of command becoming an army rule instead of on-sheet
so you could do it by just making a switch to show codex or index options, and tie the old path of command ability display to that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 07:40
A switch is preferred, duplicate entries are to be avoided but it is a fall back if it cannot be made to work properly...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 08:10
I find it pretty dumb that GW did the whole made to order set and a chunk of the models in it are index only....
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 09:28
Hmmm... Surely only the Autarch is index only?
zopha
@zopha
Oct 26 2017 12:19
Is there a Low Memory mode switch in Battlescribe iphones? I can see one for android but I don't have a n idevice to check :(
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 12:20
99% sure there is
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 12:38
Unless Jon hid it somewhere , there’s not
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 12:44
i stand corrected
it makes sense, since android hardware varies a lot more than apple
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 12:53
yup
but since we're seeing issues with HH on 6/6s hardware, its kinda annoying
zopha
@zopha
Oct 26 2017 13:13
yes, very annoying. Thanks for the screen shots!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:12
Hey @FarseerVeraenthis can you do everyone a favor please?
When you rewrite Eldar I mean
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 26 2017 14:14
take out all of the new awesome combos?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:19
No - make even army wide rules show as profiles not rules
#1676 user error, I’m sure of it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:21
not so sure, looks odd in the data editor. looking into it atm
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 26 2017 14:21
no, it's defintiely broken. Just tried it
if you add HQs from the subfactions, they don't get counted in the validation.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:22
yeah, looks like the constraint didnt get updated when we added child detachments
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 26 2017 14:22
oops :(
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:23
Works on mobile
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 26 2017 14:24
weird
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:24
Even duplicated exactly what he had
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:25
still waiting for my phone to load so i can test android......
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 26 2017 14:25
doing it now
fine on Android as well
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:26
So it’s a desktop bug - summon the @Jonskichov
Not our problem
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:28
more like its a mobile bug that the constraints arent working correctly
supcom.png
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 26 2017 14:32
yup, looks like a mobile bug, because that's not right.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:32
should have a scope of Force, and check all children
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:48
So it’s a beneficial bug – that mobile makes an error work correctly?
goes slightly crosseyed
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:49
in our case yes, the bug makes our incorrect data behave as we intended
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 26 2017 14:49
if we fix it, will it break mobile....?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:49
but its easy to think of an example where it would have the opposite effect
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:50
No agreed
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:50
it shouldnt do, since all the other detachments work on mobile, right?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:51
Yea everything else seems to be functional
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 14:52
@alphalas I can do that yes, but it will bloat the output somewhat
(make army wide rules show as profiles)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:52
As long as you have profile on, yes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 14:53
hmmm... if you don't have profiles on, you won't see even the rules as rules at the bottom of the output
because I'll have made them profiles
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:53
But the only place I can see that being an issue is for events, where you should really not have profiles on to begin with
Correct
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:54
is there an issue with having army wide stuff as rules?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 14:54
righto, I'll make the change when I do the update and wait for the bugs :bug:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:54
or is this the autarch conundrum?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:54
They don’t show in units if they’re rules
They only show at the bottom, in alphabetical order
Which is kinda counterproductive
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 26 2017 14:56
I only kept Daemonic Ritual as a rule in CSM, because it's so damn long that it would be ridiculous as a profile on every unit.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:56
This is the followup to a conversation @CrusherJoe and I had
@ilaunchbury that is fair
And I wouldn’t argue that at all
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:57
yeah, i was thinking cult ambush would be silly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:57
But for short ones, profiles are better for reference sake
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:57
fair enough
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:57
@GenWilhelm again agreed
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 26 2017 14:57
yeah, literally everything else is a profile now.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 14:58
It’s just nicer
Like holy shit 8e has spoiled me lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 14:59
rofl, where are my USRs?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 15:00
I was using a HH list print out and omg it was bad
Like every little thing I had to search for in the summary
Profiles are so much better
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 15:03
yeah, thats one thing 8e did well - pretty much everything you need to know about a unit is on the datasheet
rather than having to open the rulebook to the special rules page every time i want to make a list because i cant remember what the crusader rule does again
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 15:08
Exactly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 15:08
BUT, the difference is that in 7th, at least everyone knew what the USR's did, and there wasn't a different name for Deep Strike for everyone
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 15:08
And the way profiles works in BS is perfect for it
Half the time no @FarseerVeraenthis lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 15:09
hehehehe
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 15:09
Half the time you still had to crack open the BRB to verify lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 15:09
I'll see what the output looks like and go from there
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 15:09
Bueno dankeschoen
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 15:09
well yes, but at least you knew what you were looking for, and exactly where to find it
and it's kein problem
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 15:10
It was annoying me the other day when I was building aeldari lists the other day that’s why said something
Lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 15:10
isnt it just battle focus and ancient doom?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 15:12
I was doing the full Monty of craftworlds drew carry and Ynarri
So it was a mile long overview
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 15:13
casually ignoring the clowns in the corner
fair enough
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 15:19
is there a wysiwyg way to represent which craftworld an aspect warrior is from?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 15:25
Beyond iconography added to the armor not really
I think traditionally it was a shoulder pad or something like that?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 15:26
yeah, its Eldar, who knows what's "right"
basically, you can paint them how you want, some people strictly stick to Shrine colours only, some go the other way and paint their aspects to match the rst of their army
I don't think there is a direct "specified" way of doing it from GW
for the release of the last craftworlds codex they did introduce some squad markings which I think they have developed in the new codex but, like I said, it's elder - their all piratical artistic elves in space - so paint them how you like
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 15:29
paint them all as dire avengers; got it.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 15:30
I gotta take pics of the GF’s spess elves - I’m really happy with how the banshees came out
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 26 2017 15:47
can we finally rename this chat to "bsdata Eldar"? Cause you guys seriously talk almost about nothing else... :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 15:49
you're right
we should talk about upcoming releases instead
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 15:51
:+1: fine with me :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 15:53
@Thairne we could turn the conversation to "how to murder new eldar" which TBH boils down to "Snipers (Vindicares) and lascannons"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 16:05
Dude necromunda has me excite
I want fecking bucketheads!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 26 2017 16:08
Im not interested in that either ;)
But tbh the past month or 2 it's been 80% eldar chatter and it's getting kinda boring tbh...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 16:10
are you sure its not just flavour of the month, as theyre about to get their codex?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 16:12
And it was guard before that, its just the release cycle affecting conversation topic
in other news, TWII mortal empires releases today
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 16:15
Plastic arbites would literally cause me to be unable to control my spending on them
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe would like to agree with @Thairne
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 26 2017 16:18
Though I would say the "how to MDK space elves" also includes battle cannons, wyverns, conqueror cannons, massed mortar fire and of course manticores.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 16:19
@Thairne sorry for being excited and having no one else to talk to... You could join the Eldar you know... :wink: what would you like to talk about instead??
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 26 2017 16:20
The closest I've come to joining the Eldar is in DOWIII
I'll admit they are kinda fun to play in that
Though they orks are just a terrible in DOW3 as they are on the tabletop
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 16:22
ork were actually kinda scary at the start of 8e
now theyre just overshadowed by codex armies
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 26 2017 16:23
just.. anything else :P
Mind I dont want to rain on aonyones parade, but when you look away and return 30 mins later and have 100 msgs about eldar.. and its not since the codex since has been going on WAYY longer. I mostly think its windstorm and his love for the longears... Keep on, just wanted to get it of my chest
isnt any index army though?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 16:23
yeah, pretty much
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 26 2017 16:23
unless you'Re guard.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 26 2017 16:23
but some of them were underwhelming from the start
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe looks at his Wolves and wipes a tear away
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 26 2017 16:24
pretty much anyting but guard.. orks were bottom in index as well?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 26 2017 16:25
All I know is when the Wolves return it HAD DAMN WELL BETTER charging behind a shiny new Russ.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 26 2017 16:46
shiny = hairy and clawy
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 26 2017 16:47
And Russ had better have a rule along the lines of
THE AWESOME: To gaze upon Russ reveals your shortcomings. flaws and failures. It totally destroys your psyche knowing you will never be this awesome. All enemy units within 12" of Russ take 6 mortal wounds at the beginning of each player turn."
Why?
Because fuck you Death Guard, that's why
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 16:59
@Thairne perhaps, though part of that i guess is you guys actually being helpful to bounce ideas off of.
different subject then: why does RG and its equivalents in other armies feel so terrible to play? strike from the shadows is huge feast or famine, you either get first or get nuked because of having to place dudes in awkward spots with minimal protection
its killed much of my desire to play them in 8th :(
not to mention sinking cp without even knowing if its useful
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 26 2017 17:21
new deep strike and firepower.
thats it - you either wiff or you'Re in. ANd once you're in they fall back and you're out in the cold again.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Oct 26 2017 17:26
So, they fixed Invisibility for and multi-bombing for The Horus Heresy. Ready to come back to 7th, yet, and stop losing games at deployment/based on who goes first? ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 17:31
multi-bombing?
not familiar with the term, if you want to elaborate, I probably know the tactic just not the term
oh
melta
I'm guessing autocorrect?
that's great news for my RG
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Oct 26 2017 18:44
Multi-bombing, i.e. the sergeant doesn't need to hold a clipboard and decide which bolter bro gets to be the one guy to apply the meltabomb.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 18:46
I figured that's what you meant, means I can rely on infantry for anti-tank work again
any news on fixes to wound allocation?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Oct 26 2017 18:46
Like, non-chain first infantry.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 18:47
moving to "owning player removes" like 8th would be a small but welcome change
and reduce the "artificer sergeant tanking everything"
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Oct 26 2017 18:47
Not really seeing any evidence of changes to follow tweaks in 8th.
Rather than Conscripts tank everything for Commissar, as just band-aided? ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 18:49
I actually tried playing with "opponent choose wound allocation" in the run up to 7th, and found it a nice improvement to the flow of HH games
so I was hoping
but yeah, the melta-bomb change makes me a LOT more likely to enjoy my RG, since I won't have to rely on my mechanicum element for anti-vehicle work
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Oct 26 2017 18:53
my dogs are gassing me out while i do bug fixes :(
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 18:55
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 18:55
@capitaladot even my local HH scene (Harrisburg PA area) has pretty much died out in favor of 8e
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Oct 26 2017 18:56
all intrest of starting HH here died when 8th dropped. and no one at my shop except 1 person has HH.
well i killed half the bug log. guess thats what happens when you let a month pile up :p
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe high fives @flakpanda
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 19:06
our HH scene is still there but is simmering, most of the players are heading to a different local store for HH
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Oct 26 2017 19:06
saddly i dont even play marines anymore. lol.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 19:06
what are you playing these days, pure daemons?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Oct 26 2017 19:07
I have some admech. tzeentch. knights. i picked up morty and deathshrouds to paint. i also aquired nurgle half of blightwar and another starter, so i guess nurgle too now, lol
and quite honestly. with the group of us going to Adepticon, i am seriously concidering AM for the teams and GT
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 19:11
you can feel the warp overtaking you?
you could turn marines into chaos with some stripping and greenstuff
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Oct 26 2017 19:13
i mean i could. i have a few things left. but even with CSM i dont really play the SM model i have.
I have some MK4s id like to replace with MK3s
thats about it
i saddly sold my nice g-man too. he was collecting dust.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 19:24
I'm starting to be glad my RG stuff is primed only
because I've spent a few weekends trying to make them feel 'right'
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Oct 26 2017 19:33
i did play 1500 of admech vs world eaters/khorne. i had 11 models, and he had 2 squads of zerkers and a squad bloodletters with a thirster. i won becasuse i got first turn shooting off.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 19:39
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 19:49
I screencapped it incase it gets nuked
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 19:50
:+1: save to PDF :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 19:51
when I get the chance, yes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 19:52
in other news... I have a Deathwatch army, and a Dark Angels army... and I have two Land Raiders - one is a Standard one, one is a Crusader/redeemer kit. Now, which should I build, and which should I paint in which colour...?? I already have one Land Raider for my Dark Angels, and I only have a small DA army... that should give you something else to think about than Eldar :wink:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 19:53
the answer is magnets so you can swap sponsons between the two, and paint them both black along with your DA in 'old school' HH paint
never have to choose again
just run them as you like, nondescript black SUV style
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 19:59
@FarseerVeraenthis I have terrible news
all the exarch weapons not in current kits got nuked
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 19:59
hmmm... sad face
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Oct 26 2017 20:00
so the same thing with SM. anything not in a current kit got removed
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 20:00
and yeah, but I wonder if I should paint the DA landy white for the Deathwing
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 20:00
means strangeness in the files for index vs codex
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 20:00
I am working on a switch
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 20:00
since like for example banshees
if you want a triskele, you lose all the fancy new tricks
:fire:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 20:01
hmmmm... what about mirrorswords?? I want to have a reason to build a babe with mirrorswords
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 20:03
probably still there since the resin kit has them
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 20:32
bleh
looking through the SM codex again, still no ideas that fit the fluff
its like "You can have fluff, or you can be effective, pick 1 and only 1"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 21:03
sad face
my "switch" is not working at all :frowning:
show/hide on profiles within a selection doesn't seem to work
and trying to control two different selections is not pleasant from a UX perspective
does anyone have any ideas before I decide I've had enough and go to bed...?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 21:50
looks like it'll be two separate entries and a tag then, because I'm all out of ideas and it is nearly Saturday already...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 21:50
well fuck
the chaos black I bought is mislabeled purity seal
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 26 2017 21:50
interesting mis-label, for certain
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 21:56
What all is actually different?
And does someone have a link to this cursed community post?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 21:56
batch # 15239 at 08:11 if you want to check your own
purity seal is thier clear varnish
black is primer
now I need to find out how to strip varnish off half a wave serpent
@alphalas which post?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 21:58
The Index vs Codex options one
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 21:58
Or is that the same post as #1414?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 21:58
yep
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 22:00
Did rules change with these new units?
As in on sheet rules?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 22:15
path of command became an army entry instead of on-sheet and gained a new part, banshee masks work differently (unclear which version you get) and a couple of the aspect warrior squads got modified rules
notably howling banshees
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 26 2017 22:28
@FarseerVeraenthis , hiding profiles with modifiers doesn't work at all. I needed it in CSM and couldn't get it to work. I think it got reported as a BS bug but I can't be sure.
tekton
@tekton
Oct 26 2017 22:58
@WindstormSCR thanks for the heads up, just bought some yesterday, thankfully haven't tried to use it yet...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 22:58
use it on a test peice of cardboard
if it sprays clear and smells? wrong stuff
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 26 2017 23:06
Soooo
Y'all ready to do separate cats for Index entries now? LOL
Or [tags]
Or something like that? :) :) :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 23:08
I mean, I think tags are fine as long as they're used only when there is no other good alternative, like this
FW is definitely better served with its own cat
tekton
@tekton
Oct 26 2017 23:10
@FarseerVeraenthis @ilaunchbury I kind of got the riffle dread working correctly in GK, but it's still not perfect
and would be SUPER messy for almost any other unit that has similar changes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 26 2017 23:47
@WindstormSCR I was about to question how the fuck you didn't notice it was black then I remembered chaos black is rattle can only
and from personal experience, don't even need to strip
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 26 2017 23:56
I'm used to the cans taking a second to start up
its only the front fork of one serpent