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4th
Nov 2017
tekton
@tekton
Nov 04 2017 00:01
Nice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 00:54
Nice @alphalas , very nice
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 06:49
@skonk that's a good share, looking forward to the dangles codex :+1:
KalChoedan
@KalChoedan
Nov 04 2017 11:06
Hey all, Jon asked me to stop by
@alphalas did you want a word?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 04 2017 12:21
The only thing that makes me happy aboutthe next 3 codexes is that Tau and Crons are ever closer ... if only cause they're getting to be the lastones.
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Nov 04 2017 12:28
I'm excited by both dangles and Nids. Nids to be good, and angels to work out how we get shafted this time
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 04 2017 12:47
@kalchoedan, you need to talk to the keepers of catalogs before you start making changes to said cats
@FarseerVeraenthis is the guy in charge of Eldar - if the changes you made were committed before he submitted whatever changes he’s made, he would have to manually go through and merge his changes by hand; otherwise the XML would conflict horribly
Always consult this, and then the people who are listed, before making any changes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 12:53
It's OK, @KalChoedan committed to his own branch, I'm just checking it out now :smile:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 13:18
yup, all good, a couple of little tweaks but we're uploaded and pulled into the master so all is well :-)
But thank you @alphalas :kiss:
KalChoedan
@KalChoedan
Nov 04 2017 13:27
Sorry if I did anything wrong - I followed the instructions for forking to my own branch, making some changes, and then submitting a pull request - thought I'd try and save @FarseerVeraenthis a little time
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 13:28
yes, and you did :smile: if you had merged straight into the Master that could have been more dramatic, but you didn't (and I don't think you'd have access to do that anyway) so there was no drama :-)
KalChoedan
@KalChoedan
Nov 04 2017 13:28
yeah I didn't think I had access to do that anyway :)
also hi there :D
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 13:29
and fortunately, because I hadn't made any changes before you'd committed it was a simple case of pulling your file onto my computer and checknig it off
:wave:
KalChoedan
@KalChoedan
Nov 04 2017 13:30
nice - well glad I could help out a little
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 13:30
yeah, changes are all made and ready to go with the next release of the Repo
KalChoedan
@KalChoedan
Nov 04 2017 13:32
:thumbsup:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 13:32
now, here is a question to @/all how burning of an issue are Keywords??
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 04 2017 13:34
Good, glad to hear it
@kalchoedan it’s nothing personal- I just tend to be kinda dickish about it to everyone new because we’ve had people come in before and just break things trying to fix other things
KalChoedan
@KalChoedan
Nov 04 2017 13:35
I completely understand @alphalas it is no problem at all :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 04 2017 13:36
Not the greatest policy, I know; but it works lol
KalChoedan
@KalChoedan
Nov 04 2017 13:36
better safe than sorry and all that!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 13:36
@FarseerVeraenthis I consider Keywords to be biggest issue we have, since it's an integral part of the game and we don't really support it
Followed closely (very closely) by a desperate need for meaningful display options
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 04 2017 13:39
Actually I’d flip those two things - but otherwise mostly agree - except in that since @Jonskichov is supposedly putting keyword display in eventually I’m not sure it’s worth the extra effort to shoestring it now, just to de-shoestring it later
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 13:39
I agree on that
I won't say I refuse to do some kludgey Keywords thing...but if there's anything I don't like, it's doing something twice for no good reason.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 04 2017 13:41
^this
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 13:41
And now that I think about it, I agree with @alphalas meaningful display options (options! different layouts that don't suck! widow/orphan control! etc.!) are the biggest issue with Battlescribe as a whole
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 04 2017 13:43
It’s the main reason why I, unlike @Kohato, have not implemented halfassed (or even whole assed) keyword support - I don’t want to have to undo it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 04 2017 13:44
Hey, my keyword support is whole assed.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 13:44
:+1: I thought that was the case
I just wondered if anyone had heard anything about the progress of keyword support
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 04 2017 13:45
Jack all. Jon likes to disappear.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 13:45
OR if anyone had heard any moaning about the lack of keyword display from the users
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 04 2017 13:45
@Kohato that’s why I said that lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 04 2017 13:45
I've learned to treat BS as a finished product and work with it as such
Meaning, I do not anticipate keyword display support, so I make do and implement it.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 13:46
righto
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 13:46
I'm actually kind of disappointed by the communication @Jonskichov has with us. I really thought it would be different, honestly. Maybe I am totally wrong but I would imagine that people using BS for 40K was the main reason for people to support it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 13:46
that's grand
and yes, it is unusual, since it is his baby that he doesn't seem to "care" about the issues that a fairly large user base has with it
but that's fine, I'll probably start working through adding Keywords, it won't take long to delete them later
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 13:48
I know I have the supporter license for every device I use it on, and that's like...3?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 13:53
Anyway
Looks like I have to go shopping today at either GW or FLGS
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 14:00
for anytyhing in particular??
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 14:32
A Leman Russ Punisher
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 04 2017 14:50
sounds punishing
:tongue:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 15:18
It is lol
I'm having issues finding it. I'm hoping one of the two GW stores we have around here will have it, but one opens at 11 the other at noon
M4uler
@M4uler
Nov 04 2017 15:34
If it helps, the Punisher is in the Leman Russ Demolisher box
Not the standard Russ box
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 15:35
:+1:
I've found a couple LRBT boxes, but not Demolisher
The closer GW store opens at 11 my time...so I'm just waiting for them to open so I can call first
tekton
@tekton
Nov 04 2017 20:11
@CrusherJoe any luck?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 20:28
Yes sir I found my Punisher
:+1:
Also, there's this news:
tekton
@tekton
Nov 04 2017 20:28
yay!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 20:29

So the Codex is finally announced and a good friend of mine has given me some juicy tidbits.

Preorder on the 2nd of December
Available on the 9th of December

A few changes in a couple of units. Points moving to match the vanilla codex.

No Sammael in Sableclaw in the codex

Black knights and deathwing terminators may now be upgraded to a command squad (1 per army) this basically gives them the bodyguard ability.

Now the juicy stuff

Abilities

And they shall know no fear

Inner circle
This unit automatically passes morale checks. In addition it may reroll at to hit rolls against Heretic Astartes and all to hit and to wound rolls against Fallen in the fight phase

Ravenwing
If this unit moves it gains a 6+ invulnerable save to all shooting attacks. If it advances it gains a 5+ Invulnerable save to all shooting attacks

Grim Resolve
All UNFORGIVEN units may Overwatch on a 5+ and will only lose one model to a failed morale test

Have the same space marine stratagems as vanilla marines with the exception of
Masterful marksmanship
Cluster mines
Tremor shells

Also access to these unique stratagems

Fury of the First
2CP
Use this stratagem in your shooting phase. All plasma weapons may use the supercharge weapon template but ignore any mortal wounds that would be caused by a roll of 1.

Repent for Tomorrow You Die
Unforgiven Stratagem
1CP
Use this stratagem before overwatch, the UNFORGIVEN unit may fire overwatch at full BS.

Teleport Homer
Unforgiven Stratagem
2CP
Play at the beginning of your turn. Any DEATHWING unit may deepstrike from reserve within 9" of an enemy unit as long as it is within 6" of a RAVENWING UNIT

Deathwing Assault
Unforgiven Stratagem
2CP
Play at the beginning of your turn, any DEATHWING unit entering by deepstrike may fire twice or add 3" to a charge roll this turn.

Same standard space marine Warlord Traits as vanilla marines with the following unique ones.

Unforgiven
Hold at all costs
Your warlord and UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of your Warlord may roll a D6 for every wound sustained, on a 5+ it is ignored.

Unforgiven
Courage of the First Legion
UNFORGIVEN units in your army may use your Warlords Leadership for morale checks.

Deathwing
The Hunt
Any enemy Character that your Warlord slays in the fight phase grants one victory point

Ravenwing
Rapid Manoeuvres
Your warlord and any RAVENWING units within 6" of him may add 2" to all move, Advance and charge distances and add +1 to all JINK rolls

Relics

Sacred standard
Only one sacred standard can be taken per army

Standard of Devestation
All UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of the standard may fire twice in the shooting phase and automatically pass morale checks.

Standard of Retribution
All UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of the standard may attack twice in the fight phase and automatically pass morale checks.

Standard of Fortitude
All UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of the standard when suffering an unsaved wound may roll a D6 on a 5+ the wound is ignored and automatically pass morale checks.

Mace of Redemption
S+3 Ap-3 D2
If a unit suffers damage from this weapon reduce WS by 1 until the end of the next fight phase.
Against Heretic Astartes weapon is AP -4

Lion's Roar
When attacking with this weapon, choose one or both of the profiles below. If you choose both, subtract 1 from all hit rolls for this weapon-
Boltgun 24" Rapid Fire 1 S4 AP0 D1
Plasma 24" AssaultD3 S7 AP-3 D1

Foe Smiter
Rapid fire 3 S4 AP-1 D1

Monster Slayer of Caliban
S+2 AP-2 D d3
If this weapon causes at least one unsaved wound roll a D6 on a 6 the model is removed from play. Does not effect models with the VEHICLE keyword

Shroud of Heroes
The shroud of heroes confers a 4+ cover save and for each unsaved wound roll a D6 on a 6+ the save is ignored

And finally the biggest news in my opinion

Lion El’Jonson
M 8"
WS 2+
BS 2+
S 6
T 6
W 9
A 7
Ld 10
Sv 2+

Hope Melee S+2 AP -3 D 2 If you roll a wound roll of 6+ for this weapon, it inflicts Mortal Wounds instead of its normal damage.

Despair 18” AssaultD3 S8 AP -3 D3 If a unit suffers any damage from this weapon, roll a

Looks like they're giving Heretic Astartes a Bobby G
tekton
@tekton
Nov 04 2017 20:30
Heretics don't need anything, they're fine...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 20:30
Oh, oops, pasta was cut off
Here's the rest of the info

And they shall know no fear

Master of the First – If your army is battleforged, you receive an additional 3 CP if Lion El’Jonson is your Warlord.

Armour of the Order – Lion El’Jonson has a 3+ invulnerable save. In addition all UNFORGIVEN units within 8” receive an 5+ Invulnerable save.

Blade Master - For every unsaved wound Lion El'Jonson causes in the fight phase he can immediately make an additional attack. This ability can only be used once per fight phase.

Master Strategist- each time a stratagem is used roll a D6 on a 4+ the CP for that stratagem is not spent

I Primarch – You can re-roll any failed hit and wound rolls for friendly UNFORGIVEN units within 6” of Lion El’Jonson

tekton
@tekton
Nov 04 2017 20:32
A December release sounds odd...but I guess it could work.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 04 2017 20:32
Oh I know they don't, but since -- IF this is right, and I cannot stress the IF enough -- Ol' Lion-O is basically another Bobby G
tekton
@tekton
Nov 04 2017 20:34
yup, and that matches lore/fluff pretty well
KalChoedan
@KalChoedan
Nov 04 2017 22:33
What was the rest of the pasta for Despair?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Nov 04 2017 23:48
Where do these come from @CrusherJoe?
the Lion part makes it pretty unbelievable