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21st
Nov 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 21 2017 00:30
@acebaur?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 21 2017 00:31
ive got one, i'll stick it on my dropbox
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 21 2017 00:32
If you have it @GenWilhelm a ePub would be stellar too
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 21 2017 00:32
You get paid a non-zero sum for this @Kohato? Wtf lol
Do you even do anything anymore? :p
You’re a mensch, @GenWilhelm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 21 2017 00:34
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 21 2017 04:29
That’s odd my msgs refuse to send
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 21 2017 08:30
a mensch... well... that is a new use of that word to mee :P
Brentt Fease
@Brentticorn_twitter
Nov 21 2017 11:31
Basically, I asked if, until they publish an update, the updates from Codex: Astra Militarum applied to any Renegades and Heretics units where the entry in the Forge World Index just says to refer Index: Imperium 2... and they said yes. So things like their Leman Russ and the like are supposed to use the updated rules, but currently in Battle scribe they don't.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 21 2017 11:33
Hey, @alphalas - I do plenty of things. Like bask in the glory that is a bug-free cat.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 21 2017 11:35
@Brentticorn_twitter , you're right, but I haven't had chance to update them since the new information came out. I'll get to it at some point.
Brentt Fease
@Brentticorn_twitter
Nov 21 2017 11:47
Good to know. Thanks!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 21 2017 14:24
I've updated the TS catalog to use the latest points and rules from Codex: CSM where appropriate, but i think based on #1414 I shouldn't merge it yet?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 14:48
Wait wait wait -- if that's true @Brentticorn_twitter and @ilaunchbury that means the AM stuff in IA:FotAM should ALSO use the updated points in C:AM
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 21 2017 14:50
@CrusherJoe what do you have in mind?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 14:51
Updated POINT @alphalas
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 21 2017 14:51
on which units?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 14:51
Suddenly your Conqs get the cheaper points cost
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 21 2017 14:51
no they don't.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 14:52
Hush
You're stomping on my dream
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 21 2017 14:52
because the data sheet is specifically named LR Conq or LR annihl
oh I wish they did
but for elysians or DK there's not much that will actually change
R&H reference index more then El/DK
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 21 2017 14:53
@CrusherJoe, that's my understanding of what GW intend.
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe breaks out in hives
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 14:56
Man that's a very tricky word there
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 21 2017 14:56
:)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 14:56
I really prefer not to use RAI as an argument
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 21 2017 14:56
@ilaunchbury maybe GW - FW has said that El and DK are kinda screwed lol
so R&H get love, but not the loyalist FW regiments :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 14:58
For now, yes
LOL
I still say -- for my money -- Siege on Vracks was the best sequence of FW books
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 21 2017 15:00
well, (like Nokhal was saying), it is also RAW. The flowchart just says "is the unit in A Codex?"
heldrakes (for example) are in a Codex, so one should use that datasheet.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 21 2017 15:02
@ilaunchbury; @CrusherJoe and I are referring to specific units like LR conquerors or the valkyrie sky talon.
which are differently named units, so not in a codex.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 21 2017 15:03
yes, you're stuck on units that don't have a Codex entry (like Exalted Sorcerers!)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 15:04
But FW is different in that it's not an Ind....er, actually, wait yeah I guess it is. Just an Imperial Armour index
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 21 2017 15:11
I'm not going to get to the R&H rework until the weekend probably, but I feel like it's one of the lesser used cats (except for malefic lords, :D)
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Nov 21 2017 15:17
wait, bolt pistols are 1 point in AM codex now?
oh, never mind, thought i had an idea, but I actually thought it through and invalidated it, move along
tekton
@tekton
Nov 21 2017 18:03
so i think we're going to have three tables (one full size, two half size) worth of games going at my work today/tomorrow
If anyone has any good twists to rules or army building ideas for tomorrow I'll gladly take them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 18:37
Huh
Well....that's....something, at least?0
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 21 2017 18:55
Yep. Here's 1 trait and relic for you to use while we push the rest of Xenos back to the end.
tekton
@tekton
Nov 21 2017 19:00
shaping up to be a weird book...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 19:29
anyone got any bets on how they'll make DW even worse in this codex?
it started out decent and has been getting progressively shittier since
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 19:44
Allow me to show you the Sisters of Battle Codex...oh, wait.
Let's see...let me find Imperial Agents, nope, not a full codex. Hold on lemme download that PDF or find that WD article. Hmm...no dice. Wait, here we go! Coming to you live all the way from 3rd Edition, it's Codex: Witchhunters!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 21 2017 19:58
I have a PDF of the 2 WD articles they passed off as a Codex ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 19:59
witchhunters was a good codex
I still have my copy, but not the army
:P
the style and flavor changed too much so they got sold
and tbh the way I'm currently feeling about GKs is damn similar
so if anyone would like ~20 painted TDA GKs + TDA HQs.......
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 21:04
PR created to fix #1784
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 21:11
do those PR's need merging??
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 21:22
also, @penguin20000 are you still maintaining the Space Wolves CAT??
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 21 2017 21:27
Mine needs merging if we're agreeing that TS (and by extension, DA, BA and SW) should get updated with Codex points values.
@penguin20000 has been around for a while. I did the last batch of SW updates. I only haven't done these ones because they are major changes.
Hasn't*
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 21:28
I spent some time staring at the documents last night and picking through things, I think there is enough evidence to support the TS change.
even disregarding the FB comment
with it and the fiddly wording of "a" codex, I think it's enough
BA/DW/DA/SW are more cut and dried, they'd get the primaris for sure, and they'll also get it for anything that's a referenced datasheet
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 21:31
yeah, that's quite a change for a lot of CAT's
and yes, I remember doing some SW updates because penguin was moving house or something...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 21:31
I can do the DW one if you want
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 21:32
I care most about DW and DA - since I am just writing up my entire collection of dudes into battlescribe - I realised at the weekend that I have 50 Deathwatch Veterans
and then terminators, vanguard and bikes on top
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 21:32
lol
I'm home from work and bored, so I'll start plugging away at DW
#1792 for ref
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 21 2017 21:33
Yes. Everyone who has a reference to a unit that's in a Codex needs updating. I've got a load to do in R&H, since @Penallegion hasn't been around for a while.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 21:34
super, I thought I'd be selfish and do some hobbying (totalling up my collection on BS)
and yes, it is funny how some people come and go
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 21:40
@FarseerVeraenthis I love how even a large friendly allcaps posting in the description for the mobile files that they're dead doesn't stop people submitting bug reports.
and even an /r/BS posting also in caps that it is dead
the only reason it's left up is because it's apparently difficult to remove and so people can fork it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 21:42
yeah, that must be pretty tedious
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 21:42
no mail notifications now I figured out how to not have them, but it amuses me
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 21:42
I mean, if you let people, could they still update the "original" files??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 21:42
easily, with a fork and a PR
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 21:43
and yeah, controlling those mail notifications makes a BIG difference
Fab, perhaps someone will take it on and continue your good work :smile: :+1:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 21:48
sugar... before I apply all my exact wargear I'm up to 6,192 points of Aeldari - 713 points of that is Harlequins, the remainder is Craftworlds...
I never realised I had quite THAT much
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 21 2017 21:49
wait, I just skimmed over this - DA now use C:SM points?
ah yes. I see.
Well that sucks with the DA codex so close...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 21:57
I mean
you could just skip it and we'd all understand
since they're in ~15days
or less
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 21:57
and no-one is complaining atm
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:07
@FarseerVeraenthis huh
I think the main SM weapons are separate, they're all not local to the DW cat
so it might be a case of just updating the weapon costs in that source cat
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:08
fabulous
hmmm... whoever did C:SM should have updated the GST costs... surely...?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 21 2017 22:09
weeeeeeeeellll...
I think I'm gonna wait this out then. Doubling up on work is NOT my forte :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:10
exploring now
....I think apparently not?
just made new entries for vanilla SM
well this should be dirt easy then
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:11
what the badger?!
that's crazy...
although, kinda understandable
to a certain extent
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:12
well, it makes sense given our old position pre-errata
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:12
uhuh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:12
but it means this single file edit will do all the weapon costs
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:12
but, someone should now go through and update those links back to the GST
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:12
who does SM belong to?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:12
check the Wiki
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 21 2017 22:13
Flak panda
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:13
@flakpanda we summon thee from the dead
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 22:18
If someone needs to take on SW I can do it or help
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:18
@CrusherJoe the only things that need changing are the model costs (mostly HQs) if the weapons are properly tied to the GST
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 22:19
That's a mighty big IF lol
But what model costs change, really? Primaris ones? What else?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:19
terminator cap, some of the other TDA models
possibly JP ones
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 22:20
So SW will use the C:SM costs now? (Just make sure I'm clear)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:21
yes
for all units that use a reference
so if it says "use captain with name change and the following adjustments"
then you use the codex costs for the model
since the referenced datasheet has been replaced
terminator costs were one of the big changes for units, but I think SW have an entirely separate datasheet
@FarseerVeraenthis PR opened
has the GST adjust and the DW adjusts (there were very few)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:27
all 3 outstanding PR's have been merged
maverick attitude ftw
:+1:
and yes, this is why there is a GST - for things that are common to a lot of CAT's
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 22:28
Yeah SW terminators are Wolf Guard in Terminator Armor
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:28
tbh, I'm amazed there has not been more crying from the wolves
yeah, so in that instance, you have to use the Index points costs
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:29
well
they just got cheaper thunder hammers and claws
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:29
my Deathwacth collection comes to 4,434 points pre-codex points update
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 21 2017 22:29
It's because the Index is so....lackluster and bland and UP no one is playing them
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:30
I only use my DW for narrative stuff anyway, which is why I converted up some apothecaries and a techmarine for my DW
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:32
groovy
yeah, I am thinking of a Primaris apothecary with a magnetised pauldron so he can be either Deathwatch or Dark Angels
my points didn't change much, apparently I'm down to 4,387 points - but that is still a massive collection considering I've had my Eldar since the dawn of time (about 20 years...) and I only started my Deathwatch a year ago
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:34
not sure what mine comes out to be
~5 TDA of varying stripes, terminator apoth, 2 apoth, 1 tech, 1 biker, 1 jump cap, 2 vvs, 2 lib, 2 watch caps (one artemis), and 40 DW marines with mostly combi-weapons heavies or shields
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:39
and 3 converted thunderwolves using the DW stormshields like cavalry shields
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:40
what about armour?? I realised I have a Land Raider to add, and I've decided (see earlier discussion) to make it a Crusader to go with the Deathwatch, and a standard one to go with my Dark Angels
so I'm topped out about 4,674 points depending on some of the vehicle heavy weapon options
although, that does include 3 Watch Masters which is overkill to say the least
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 21 2017 22:44
a rhino, dreadnought, and sometimes they 'borrow' from my RG armory for stormeagles or a deredeo dread
(the deredeo does have a DW secondment marking so he can be used in either)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 21 2017 22:46
super, I have 2 Corvus, a soon to be built Land Raider Crusader, and two Razorbacks. Oh, and two venerable dreadnoughts
I think I almost have half of a full watch fortress - that being 5 x 4 kill teams of 10 dudes = 200 guys, I have about 75 I think
still some way to go
although, I don't think I have physical room for many more models of any sort...!
either way enough blathering, bed time :sleepy: