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22nd
Nov 2017
Guillaume G.
@Nokhal
Nov 22 2017 03:42

@skonk

you CAN NOT, i repeat, CAN NOT pick 1ksons rubrics.

You are confusing army rules with unit datasheet.
The datasheet say nothing about thousand sons.
Army rules are stuff like FW Elysians or Thousand sons that impact how datasheet are used (Rubric Datasheet seeing elite changed to troop, Legion set to Thousand Sons).

If a datasheet is present in a codex, then the index version is outdated.
Once again, see FAQ.
And thank y'all for the nice comments, it does not makes you any more right.
Sorry for being able to follow a flowchart.
And sorry for having to put the nose of some people in their own poop.
All these reports you are mocking from users are actually in the right...
Guillaume G.
@Nokhal
Nov 22 2017 03:48
As it is, free bolt pistol on a priest is illegal and could get you aut-lose if using battlescribe at a tournament.
If your goal is not tournament legal, fine
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 05:07
@Nokhal Kindly fuck off
actually READ the conversations and changes that have already been made, today, after continued discussion
90% of us are dismissing anything you have to say because you are being childish, rude, arrogant and insufferable
if you have an issue to raise, sure, that can be dealt with, but if you're going to be a complete jerkoff about it from the start, all you're going to get here is told to fuck right off
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2017 06:25
writes reply to @Nokhal, deletes - Internet 101 - do not feed the troll...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2017 08:30
insert michael jackson popcorn gif
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Nov 22 2017 08:47
Hey guys, it's been a while since I was active on Gitter but I'm still here... So, the general consensus now is that (for non-codex chapters like BA and DW) all datasheets referencing a SM one from the Index and all points costs must be updated according to C:SM?
And apart from that, since I'm going to touch the .cat anyway, would everyone be OK if I removed all those nasty modifiers currently replacing <CHAPTER> with BLOOD ANGELS or FLESH TEARERS? I feel like they are not really that useful (maybe even misleading sometimes) while adding a lot of unnecessary bloat.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 08:59
It's not the consensus, it's what GW have told us to do, in their usual easy-to-understand and totally clear way :)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2017 09:00
@WindstormSCR ???
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 09:01
IT'S ALIVE!!
:)
@Crowbar90, while you're stripping stuff. I think you might as well take out all the understrength code. I don't believe anyone else implemented anything for it.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Nov 22 2017 09:04
Ok, good. Less bloat is always a good thing :)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 09:08
I was just looking and spotted a couple of typos. I'll make an issue for you.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2017 09:08
I just read that asshole's comment and now I'm peeved
Fuck that guy
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 09:10
He didn't put his argument across in a helpful way.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2017 09:11
I think you are understating that a bit
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Nov 22 2017 09:12
@ilaunchbury That would be really helpful!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2017 11:48
Yeah, so @flakpanda the end of the discussion is that you probably should take the point modification lines out of the SM CAT so that it just references back to the GST. This means there's only points in one place, and reduces the size of the SM file
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 11:52
Who will be updating the GST?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2017 12:02
The GST was updated last night by @WindstormSCR :smile: :+1:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 12:02
Ok, I'll go through and take all the modifiers out of my cats as well then.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2017 12:04
:kiss: beautiful
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 12:04
I don't know when I'll do it, but I'll do it. :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2017 12:06
Fabulous, although, from a user perspective it's not top priority since they probably won't notice much difference
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2017 12:24
Well, they shouldn't notice any difference apart from a minor improvement in speed
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Nov 22 2017 12:35
I usually mantain point values in my catalogues, since I remember there were some issues about point costs which were different between factions. Adding everything to the GST would also make it very big. It's not a problem for Marine players who would need those information anyway, but a Xeno player would have to load a huge amount of data for no reason at all. That's why I think point values should be mantained in the specific catalogues, at least until catalogue imports become available.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2017 12:42
@Crowbar90 GST currently is a fraction of what it use to be. GST bigness isn't nearly as bad as cat bigness
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Nov 22 2017 12:56
Well, if you think that's the best organization I'll follow it. Just to be sure, what should go in the GST?
I guess at least all Space Marines wargear and all Heretic Astartes wargear... What about Eldar, Astra Militarum and Imperial Knights?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 13:43
There's guidance in the Wiki for what should be in the GST, but it isn't strictly followed anyway. It says that only wargear profiles should be in the GST, but there are loads of Shared Selection Entries for wargear in there, which I'm certainly using.
If Jon gets around to implementing the inheritance approach we discussed in #967, then much of that can move to an intermediate cat, but until then we're stuck with what we have.
You're right though that Xeno cats are loading a lot of data they don't need as the GST is almost entirely Marine focused.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2017 14:54
@ilaunchbury that’s primarily because there are 4-7 marine cats, and 1 or 2 each for Xenos
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 15:07
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just a thing that is.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:11
Tbh just making it an exception for marines seems reasonable when it feeds SM/DW/DA/BA. FW and even possibly SW and GK if the values match
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 16:14
and CSM, TS and DG...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:14
Sounds like its goimg to be a fucking chore.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 16:15
ooh, changes to character targeting :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:15
@ilaunchbury i wasn't sure if they used the same values or not
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 16:15
cheaper plague marines :)
they do now! :)
Malefic lords get a 50pt bump!!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:16
They shouldn't if the codex value is different, the reason for the marine updates is because of all the index stuff referencing marine datasheets
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 22 2017 16:17
nah, pretty much everything is the same cost for basic weapons on the Chaos side.
I can't think of anything that's a different price to the SM costs off the top of my head.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:19
I'm hoping for cheaper wasp walkers now that i know the FW update is in CA
and also hoping the points jump on spectres if there is one isn't massive and over-reactive
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 22 2017 16:20
"Over-reactive" lol
Because a unit that can easily become -3 to hit should proliferate LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Not a single word about dealing with Smite bullshit though
So looks like my 9 Primaris Psykers are still in my list. Gross. I was hoping for a change.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:23
Not as easily as you woukd expect
and only when alaitoc
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 22 2017 16:23
The fact that it's possible is the problem.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:24
my iyanden ones get shot up a good chunk of the games they see play
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2017 16:25
Heh. Malefic lord nerf
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:25
my issue is i don't want to see something thats a reasonable but fragile unit become a shit choice because of people doing stacking bullshit
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 22 2017 16:26
Well you need to talk to your fellow Eldar players because right now they're pretty much all stacking as much -1 to hit faggotry as they possibly can
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2017 16:27
@WindstormSCR do you play league of legends? Or any other similar competitive game casually?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 22 2017 16:27
Just when I was thinking I might be able to get over my eternal burning hatred of Eldar, too
Tis a shame, really
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:28
used to, and the changes made there for the top ~5% were what ruined the game for me and i quit
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2017 16:28
Then you already know have GW is getting the pulse on things to change
how*
Chapter Approved = large patch update
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:29
thankfully retards aren't using SS too much yet because ynnari were only just mouthpunched
also the thing everyone ignores is that you can cut most of the -1 bullshit on spectres just by closing, they only have range 18", so they have to get close to function, making alaitoc mostly useless
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 22 2017 16:31
SS are actually a very well designed unit from a cheese factory point of view
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:32
sure in a vacuum what you can do with stacking trait, CP, and psy power, but 2/3 of those can be removed by the other player with some planning
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 22 2017 16:32
Their weapons are ridiculously efficient...so you want to get close to them...which is where they want you to be...so they can use their short ranged ridiculous weapons
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:33
tbh whoever did the dispersed mode was a fool
it should be D3 shots 5 -1 1 no auto hit, based on the 7th ed profile
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:40
Like I said a few weeks ago, i could live with a ~5ppm increase because they aren't a huge part of my lists, but more than that would really sting
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 22 2017 16:46
Honestly I doubt we'll see much increase on them
Now if they were to include a rules tweak
But who am I kidding
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:48
I wouldn't mind them just getting the 5++ back instead of the -1
or was it 4, need to check my book
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 22 2017 16:52
Probably 2++
Because Eldar LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 16:53
Nah, old spectres weren't broke
but it would be nice to not have wasps costing 90pts base
70 base would be about right, 60 or 65 for wishful thinking
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 19:57
@acebaur you doing a pool for CA epub?
That + 23 conscripts is 1500
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 20:31
that ghetto atlas in the back
or trojan, I forget which is which
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 20:38
those modded LRBTs or being run as conqs?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2017 20:47
It’s a ghetto Trojan
And they’re conqs
All my russes ride on chimera tracks
High speed low drag ;)
Even though eventually they’ll get kv2 turrets
Trojan gives 1 model w/i6” reroll hits, salamander command gives 1 model w/i6” +1 to hit
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2017 20:52
I’ll let you puzzle out what they babysit
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 20:53
lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 22 2017 20:54
Wait
20171122_145207.jpg
I thought this was a Conq
You can tell it's Genuine ForgeWorld :tm: by the way the barrel is warped
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 20:55
that's a stygies vanquiser by the looks of things
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2017 21:01
Yeah that’s a vanq
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2017 21:06
Righto, with roughly 4,272 points of Dark Angels that takes me to roughly 15,000 points of small bits of metal and plastic... I don't know whether that's a big deal or not...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2017 21:08
Of the styges pattern like @WindstormSCR said
The slightly less terrible but still bad vanquisher
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 22 2017 21:33
kind of a shame vanqs aren't that great
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2017 21:50
They really should have multiple profiles for fire
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 22 2017 21:55
Didn't they used to?
Like a AP and an AT profile?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2017 21:59
The DK ABG had Beasthunter shells
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2017 22:08
But that was the only way to get 2 profiles on vanqs