These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

24th
Nov 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 00:57
Yup thanks @CloverFox
Also while it may seem your typo fixes don’t affect important stuff, the way XML compiles, it totally does matter no matter how small a change you make
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 24 2017 01:30
he does have a point that putting it in the readme to come here before making PRs might help
Micheal
@Mikle103
Nov 24 2017 01:31
Hey just a question re the latest update not sure if this was covered as the whole arrogance of Nokhal, but have just checked and I thought but I may be wrong, as have no option in the AM cat to select a plasma pistol for a priest??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 24 2017 01:32
I think @alphalas hasn't had a chance to make the change
to the guard cat
Micheal
@Mikle103
Nov 24 2017 01:32
no problems just checking
zopha
@zopha
Nov 24 2017 09:07
Door day on forge world again. Ultramarines, death guard, White scars and Thousand sons.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 24 2017 16:25
Forgive me father, for I have sinned .. I have forsaken the Silent king, I have abandoned the teaching of Corax and the Emperor ... the Hive mind has reached out to me and the Brood Lord has clutched my soul
on this Darkest of black fridays, I have bought a "Start collecting - Tyranids" I need help
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 24 2017 17:19
Nah, sounds like you just got tired of painting boring black and gunmetal
Nids and
eldar are both great for painting after doing too much RG and crons
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 18:53
@alphalas i'm going to recreate my initial pull request if you don't mind anymore
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 19:56
no I do
because I have a local change that if committed will conflict
and tbh, 1, you REALLY shouldn't change multiple cats in one commit if you're not the keeper
2, report typos as bugs BEFORE you go to fix them, PLEASE
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 20:18

1: You got your own rules for your repo, fine for me. But please don't act like I should have informed myself better beforehand. There simply is no information at all about your collaboration rules. Please consider writing that to the readme if they are so important to you.

2: Instead of producing work for you guys I tried to take it away from you. If you don't like that, consider making the repo private. In the end, that's actually what github is for...

Well discard the pull request then, I dont care anymore... It's like 5 mins of your time to merge it correctly and it can't produce any bad conflicts, as i didn't touched any of the uuids (probably the only real reason). To me, this sounds more like you are scared of git, not really understanding how it works properly nor being able to use it correctly.

You could even merge it by hand (meld or sth) into your "conflicting" version in under 10 mins without any problems, lol.

hanve a nice day
Seems like you really are unable to fix conflicts in git, lol ^^ the way you use it, you could also use dropbox. you dismiss each and every advantage of git
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:22
Not all of us actually are coders man
Actually I think I can safely say about half of us barley know XML period
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 20:23
thats fine, but trying to tell me why it cant work and what MY mistakes are is definatly not
yeah its cool, and i would be glad to help, if yopu want. thats why i came here
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:23
I understand
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 20:24
I made a f* twitter account to come here. i hate twitter
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:24
Really? Damn I would have just made a git account
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:24
Right? Git would've been easier
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:25
Look I’m not trying to be a complete dick
And I’m sorry
We’ve had lots of well meaning people come and try to help and bugger everything up
And I’ll be the first to admit when I bugger something up, I need to go to @Kohato or @GenWilhelm to fix it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:27
The issue with conflicts isn't with Git. It's with how the battlescribe editor modifies the XML of the cat files.
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 20:27
yeah its easier, but I'm alot into privacy and keeping my own data, so sharing all my github information with some 3rd party is no way for me ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:27
A very small change, such as a new detachment type or rule completely re-orders lines in the XML
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:28
Now, on separate topics; @GenWilhelm @Kohato @CrusherJoe I’ve hit a quandry with this bs of adding index options to Codex priest
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:28
Combined with someone else's small change on a completely different portion of a cat produces a very nasty thing.
Shared entries in GST, link to cat?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:29
Priest has access to AdMin pistols, melee weapons and ranged weapons
Do I still have to support that too or no?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:29
If it's in the index, yep
Imperium Soup is here to stay.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:30
So it has to still have access to a list that is not on its own datasheet?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:30
If the model has a datasheet in a Cat, you use that datasheet. If the datasheet has options in an index that aren't in a cat, it is allowed.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:30
Dios mio...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:30
Basically, you use the codex datasheet for purposes of rules and statblocks.
You use latest codex and latest index for wargear.
That's what I took away from their handy 2 level flowchart.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:31
So I need to create AdMin Pistols, Ranged Weapons, and Melee weapons SSEGs in AM, because reasons
.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:31
They claim they are writing codexes with wargear in mind that comes with the kits or are sold as kits made for the model. Other items are allowed, but if they are old/not produced/etc, they're in the index.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:32
DAMNIT GIT MARKDOWN AND NOT ALLOWING CERTAIN EMOTES -.-
K
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:32
The smarter option would be to gather all instances of these things and place them in the GST
but yes. That is what you'd need to do
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:32
Yeahhhhhh I guess...
Whelp with that in mind I’m gunna go back to slapping basing paint on this nighthaunts army so I can get this damn commission out the door
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:34
Basically, the most logical way to work it ... and it'd require an assload of work that probably isn't worth it in the end ... is to take every chaos and imperium index wargear piece, and put it into the GST.
Link to those from Cats. Then create cat specific updated ones for wargear that got updated.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:34
@CrusherJoe if you want to take a stab at it go for it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:34
OR, you can say fuck it, and play xenos
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 24 2017 20:35
just to throw my 2p in, @whatfor93485095_twitter :kiss: thank you for trying to help :smile: we DO appreciate it, just people have been burned badly by merges not going to plan - even some of the more experienced coders who actually understand how XML works and how Git SHOULD work have still been flumoxed by unresolvable conflicts... We're not meaning to tell you how to do things, but unfortunately Git + BS =/= the real world
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:35
Even admech doesn't partake in the imperium soup
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:35
^i second what @FarseerVeraenthis just said
I really am sorry if I came across as an absolute dick
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 20:37
fine for me
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 24 2017 20:38
yeah, I mean, you can still come on board if you like, you just need to communicate with @alphalas and kinda make changes sequentially, rather than parallel - which I know is counter-intuitive with the intent of Github, but that's the weird world we live in :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:39
Hoooo shit, I had a bug to work on.
Thats like ... a first in forever.
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 20:39
i just wanted to contribute sth back (and stumbled over the same typos over and over) ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:40
Don't look at admech. It's filled with them :p
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 20:40
thats exactly what i was doing ;D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:40
Oh hah.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 24 2017 20:40
I mean, if you're really keen and have some time on your hands you could do worse than take care of some of the Space Wolves bugs
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 20:40
well who is in charge for admech then?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 24 2017 20:40
I'll give you one guess
:wink:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:40
@Thairne - I've just yet to fix his shit for him or bug him
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 20:41
@alphalas
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:41
Or is Jon doing the hokey pokey on mars
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 24 2017 20:41
also, it is in the wiki who's responsible for what https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/blob/master/.github/CODEOWNERS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:42
Also, why are Other Xenos at the bottom. Do you not love us enough?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 24 2017 20:42
oh, yeah, see, now I realise I had it wrong too...!!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:42
Shut up about your alphabets.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 24 2017 20:42
hehehe, they're also small and insignificant
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:43
... I'm gonna go over here and cry now.
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 20:45
@alphalas okay then here's the deal: as soon as you finished your stuff, let me handle the merge for you. if it's not working afterwards, you can just discard my next pull request
so... you push you stuff, i merge my fixes into your file and you can see if its works. if not, git checkout your version and my changes are gone
easy as that, no work for you besides testing that i didnt broke anything
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:47
K well I just pushed all my fixes for Guard
So go ahead there
As to the other factions; check who the keepers are for them (it’s in the git wiki), and check with them please
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:49
It's been a bit since i've seen thairn posting
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:50
He comes and goes lately
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 24 2017 20:51
Senility does that to an old man.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 24 2017 20:52
Indeed
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 21:08
btw in case you are having problems with merging: you can always just download the "other" file and use meld (linux) or WinMerge to compare/merge the files directly by hand
nice GUI tools for that ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 24 2017 21:18
there's a couple of ooooollddd bugs squashed, time to get my bonesinger out and create an Iyanden army list to paint up
jkndf jiwer
@whatfor93485095_twitter
Nov 24 2017 23:03
@Thairne @Kohato @GenWilhelm Got some minutes to create a new pull request, this time only for the AdMech file. Would be nice if some1 would merge it in.
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Nov 24 2017 23:36
u guys see the Chapter Approved points leaks yet? https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb5U_nflpU2/
James
@skonk
Nov 24 2017 23:44
ooh, 70 points off the dreadclaw pods
James
@skonk
Nov 24 2017 23:58
Seems a lot of the big boys went up, Lord of Skulls for example went up a bit. but lots of smaller and lesser used units went down (sometimes by a lot) and a lot of wargear went down, again sometimes by a lot. Rubric Warp Bolters from 9 to 3 points for example which makes a big difference on a full unit.