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25th
Nov 2017
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 00:08
Ouch, Repressors +20 points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:09
No real necron changes :(
Monolith needs a cost reduction for how weak it is
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:09
wish they hadn't cut the bottom of the pages off
cant see some key items
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 00:10
No changes for CWE either
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:10
“Weak”. 20hp but 4+ with no invuln dies quick
For 400~ points
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:11
tempted to pick up a second pack of deathshroud now
50 down to 35 each
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:12
Wait. That leak is wonky
Orks are listed twice. With different entries.
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:12
wouldnt put it passed em releasing the book with misprints
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:13
That’s not a misprint. That’s just plain wrong lol
Nvm
Last pages are forgeworld
So no non fw necron adjustments at all in the leak :(
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:17
they must feel the costs are fine
not seeing crons featuring much in tourneys tho
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:19
There’s a reason for that I think
a write up of stuff they "spoiled" on stream today
not much in there tbh tho
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:27
hmm
they put maelific lords up to 80 points
but decreased primaris psykers
i think
ah no they put it up but just by 10
celestine is now 200 points. lot of people will cry about that but i always thought thats exactly what she should cost. she's still great at that
i dont see guilliman anywhere (unless im just missing it)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:33
Celestine needed it
I rock socks the with her
24-36” movement a turn on a 2+ is insane
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:34
yeh
i still think she's mint for 200 points
at 150 it was nuts
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:35
Germine still 50?
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:35
25 i think
just closed the thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:35
They dropped?
That’s ... surprising
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:35
yeh 25
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:35
So overall no chance
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:35
people realised they were a bit pointless
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:35
Change
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:35
there was an odd issue with them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:35
Idk they’re a great wound soak
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:36
if they both died and then you wounded celestine
then she res'd one
since celestine was wounded they could no longer soak wounds for her
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:36
She could f you healed her
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:36
if you healed her to full
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:36
Yup
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:36
but while she had any lost wounds she would have to take any incomming wounds
so that + the cost of the side chicks a lot of folk didnt bother
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:37
True
She definitely needed the bump herself
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:37
people taking all 3 of them i think paid a fair price before tbh so its ok its not changed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 00:37
I’m a fan of the faq schedule
Back to game night. Bbl
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 00:38
:)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 01:00
@FarseerVeraenthis you want me to do the Forgeworld CWE changes?
scorpion up to 700 is ouch but manageable
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 01:20
wasps down to 65!!!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 01:22
Wait until release
Or we’ll have complaining
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 01:25
I'll prepare the PR and it can sit for a week
Shadow Spectres up 10ppm
not enough to make me not use them, but ouch
prism rifle went from 15 to 25
makes them 33ppm
with dude+gun
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 25 2017 01:27
Wow. Interesting what they felt needed updates.
Taurox prime goes up again. But AC go down so the way I usually run them will be 1 point less
Also Celestine plus gemini unchanged.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 01:29
Revenant titan: 2000points (up 800!)
they really don't want anyone buying one, do they?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 25 2017 01:31
Malanthropes went a bit too far in my opinion. Morkanaut goes down but not gorkanaut.
Necron pylon went up quite a bit.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 25 2017 01:33
They want titans to stay in apocalypse is their intent
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 25 2017 01:34
Purestrain geneatealers went up? Wtf? Everyone already was taking the nid one's because purestrain we're too pricey.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 01:41
Vampire hunter went up 700 points
but the actual 40k scale eldar stuff all went down
my wasps might actually see serious use now
@FarseerVeraenthis PR up with the CA points adjustments, can fire it off whenever you feel comfortable (at release or before, up to you) I haven't touched corsairs
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 01:57
are you serious? no crons or tau points adjusts?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 25 2017 02:01
@CrusherJoe 122 for both Annihl and Conq
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 02:36
@alphalas yeah I saw that...Sty Vanq is 160 :-1:
Exorcist came down to 135
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 25 2017 02:52
That’s a reduction on the svanq
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 03:01
Yes, 3 whole points
I get the feeling that this leak may be incomplete
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 25 2017 03:23
I doubt it. The way the r
The way the talked today they indicated it was small tweaks.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 03:24
Nary a word on changes to Smite, though, huh?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 03:32
I'll just be over here in a corner making patrol lists that actually use wasps
115 for a double missile wasp
95 for double starcannon
no longer are they in the same cost bracket as battle tanks >.>
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 25 2017 03:45
They said explicitly smite isn't changing until March at the earliest.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 03:46
....what's in March?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 25 2017 03:52
They said new FAQ schedule. 2 weeks after a codex that codex gets an FAQ for clarity only.
Then in March and September they will release FAQs for everything that are intended to balance things out.
They plan to use adepticon and Nova to finalize their FAQs respectively.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 03:55
interesting
well
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 03:55
That makes...sense, actually
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 03:56
I suppose that's not a bad plan since it gives hobbyists AND tourney people an idea of when exactly shit will change
so today I was gifted/traded (in combination) 2 new eldar start collecting sets
my iyanden army will now have spooky bone ghosts
just debating if I should turn wraithlord no. 2 into a wraithseer conversion
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 25 2017 04:03

It's a good plan for FAQ's. Though from the sound of it they are going to increasingly relying on top tier tourney players for feedback and playtesting, so I'm a little worried that Demons / IG / Space Marines get lots of minor twaeks, while armies like Orks, and Dark Eldar get left out in the cold because they aren't favored by highly successful tourney players.

Case in point. You'll probably never see a Maleceptor near the top tables of a tournament. It's basically a worse Hive Tyrant. So an Andrew Gonyo type isn't probably going to be motivated to address its problems.

But it is lightyears better than the old "No FAQ" system they had going before.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 04:04
Agreed
And a schedule is a good thing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 25 2017 04:11
Indeed
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 04:11
I'm just glad the CA change to spectres will stop asshats from spamming them in tourneys
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 04:30
Oh don't worry they'll still be spammed
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 04:50
not sure that's viable at 33ppm
full squad would be 330 and would be an all eggs in one basket approach
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 25 2017 06:16
Wow, some of those FW points changes are extreme. Warkopta went from 155 down to 74. Kill Tank went from 215 to 365. Lifta Droppa (a gun) wen from 39 to 0. Big swings on Ork FW stuff. My initial take is that they overdid it on all 3 points swings, but I could be wrong.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 06:25
it looks like only the marine stuff and regular 40k sized eldar stuff got reasonable changes, with all the big stuff being overcosted into nonexistance
the taunar was already slightly overcost and they outright doubled it
the revenant titan was not worth it at 1200, now its 2k???
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 25 2017 06:26
The non-fw Ork stuff seems OK. pretty minor points cuts to a few things.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 25 2017 07:21
@WindstormSCR thanks for doing the updates, that basically means no more Eldar updates until that PR is merged, but I can handle that :smile:
Once CA is officially released we can merge the PR and then ask @USSX-Hares to merge ynnarii again so we can release a fully updated ynnarii CAT in one go...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 25 2017 09:01
I still check in daily and skim over the 100+ lines of stuff I don't care about :P I'm NOT senile, I'm experienced! That is the difference between a youngling and a longbeard!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 25 2017 09:14
Gitter got way more active and less "cuddly" over time... I guess I'm in the "kids nowadays" and "everything was better in the past" phase now :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 25 2017 09:58
(that is a worrying development. I'm 37... NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 25 2017 13:08
@FarseerVeraenthis don't think there was anything that needed doing, unless I missed a bug when i checked the list last night?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 25 2017 13:53
@Thairne, are you before April? Otherwise I've got you beat for old man.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 15:37
@Thairne I'm 47. Get off of MY lawn!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 15:54
PR created with CA points updates for Adeptus Ministorum -- do not merge until CA releases LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 25 2017 15:58
Meh we can merge but that would mean no :shipit: until CA
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 15:58
Are we really anticipating releasing anything until CA drops?
And I'm about to do the Guard changes right now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 25 2017 16:02
I don’t think so
@tekton don’t actually bother implementing that stratagem; just have a max3 in roster on the relics collectively
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 25 2017 16:07
@CrusherJoe I just added you to two easy bugfixes
tekton
@tekton
Nov 25 2017 16:32
@alphalas too late :P but I too am just rolling the QoL stuff I was thinking about doing in to the points for CA
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 25 2017 16:33
FINE @tekton lol
Be that way lolololol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 16:37
Okay just created new tasks for you and me @alphalas
Guard, DKOK, Elysians
Though my Markdown checkboxes came out formatted funkily
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 25 2017 16:54
Artemia being same points as plain HH now is pretty good
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 17:22
Er....so I commited to the wrong branch (because I was trying to get fancy or something) so now the PR from AdMin also contains the updates for Guard
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 17:27
However the good news is, CA updates (that we know of ) for both AdMin and Guard are done
Also
I think Conscripts are officially dead
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 18:46
PRs created for #1802 and #1804
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Nov 25 2017 18:54
I'm poking at the AdMech points updates. I don't see how to change the Power Fists points from 20 to 12 because it's "(Not local)".
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Nov 25 2017 19:05
I've made a pull request anyway BSData/wh40k#1825 @Thairne
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 19:15
PR created for #1826, which also has all the points changes for CA for Guard just in the right branch this time (woe)
Also I love finding my own bugs
James
@skonk
Nov 25 2017 20:28
have their been any better images put out of the new book yet?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 20:32
PR created for #1821 DKOK CA changes, don't pull until CA releases I suppose LOL
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Nov 25 2017 20:48
we could make a branch for the CA changes, then merge them all in once its out, but, the BS xml might say otherwise
@axisofentropy itf its (not local) it means its in the BST (the shared file) you'll have to create a new entry in the cat but reference the BST's version of the profile
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Nov 25 2017 20:50
thanx
is that how the space marine catalog did it?
i wonder if any faction still has 20 point power fists now. maybe we could change it in the BST?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Nov 25 2017 20:52
the "proper" way is that no armies other than space marines should be using the BST entrys other than the profiles, so the change should be made anyway (i think)
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Nov 25 2017 20:53
well i don't think space marines are using the 20 point power fist entry right now so maybe it's not proper.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Nov 25 2017 20:53
that would be a separate issue then :wink:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 25 2017 20:57
@WindstormSCR yeah, I don't think there are any bugs atm, just a thought in case something crops up this coming week :+1:
more time to paint some models :smile:
(slowly)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 25 2017 22:02
Hey that's what I'm gonna do, go get some painting done
@alphalas I left the Elysians for you, or I can do them this evening or tomorrow -- either is cool with me
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 25 2017 22:23
Yeah I’m not going to get to them before then - go for it