These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

26th
Nov 2017
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 01:03
@FarseerVeraenthis news from games today: wasps are in a good spot, spectres are in the dumpster unless you commit an autarch to babysit
and you're pretty much pidgeonholed into putting conceal on them now, they cost too much to not support using that method, so I think the points changes might have made that problem worse, not better
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Nov 26 2017 07:14
Does anyone have a backup copy of the Tyranid codex?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 26 2017 07:15
the actual book, you mean?
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Nov 26 2017 07:15
ya
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 26 2017 07:15
epub or pdf?
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Nov 26 2017 07:15
either
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Nov 26 2017 07:24
thanx!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 26 2017 07:25
no worries
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 26 2017 11:59

I'm June. Yet still I retain my seat in the Old man Throne due to excessive grumbling, because grumbling is what makes us truly old!

@axisofentropy nice, but we can'T merge that until the book releases. So your work may cause conflicts until then and go to waste... unless I do not touch AdMech until the release.

and oi, interesting - DA get scout bikers, stalkers, hunters and stormsomething interceptors
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 26 2017 13:13
I just ordered a new aquarium. Huge thing, gonna be glorious.
I honestly thought about something for a few minutes - recycle my old one, put some Imperial ruines in it as decoration, a few space marines all aiming upwards.. basically a diorama with Space Marines or whathaveyou fighting flying, fish like xeno attackers :D
that image is stuck in my head xD
Arne Kreutzmann
@dragongame
Nov 26 2017 13:19
That sounds fantastic!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 26 2017 13:34
Maybe in a smaller tank and not my 650l... Just a tactical squad... hm... 4 small ruins... heehehehehehe.... xD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 14:42
@Thairne that sounds genius
Doooo eeeeet
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 26 2017 14:44
I actually might.
First, I have to get the new giant tank up and running.. gonna be a load of money and work.
Then I always intended to setup a smaller, 60l tank for some fish that would.. probably get eaten in the new one.
I'd have to check for toxicity of citadel paints when submerged in water... but once I get around to it I might really comission a tactical squad from DoI with slight conversions to make it look right :D
but its gonna be summer at the earliest I'd wager
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 14:56
Still though...it would be epic my man
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 26 2017 14:56
most definately
a new tank isnt even that expensive... hm... maybe spring :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 15:23
@GenWilhelm planning on doing any more releases before CA?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 26 2017 15:27
Was planning to do one more this week, depending on how much work gets done on the CATs.
Probably wed/thurs so we have a day or two before CA.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 15:27
@alphalas I'm trying really hard to get motivated to do the Elysians
I'm on cuppa coffee #2
Axis of Entropy
@axisofentropy_twitter
Nov 26 2017 15:37
I'm sure you're capable of resolving conflicts to merge. If not, I can.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 15:50
elysians are kinda depressing @CrusherJoe
I really hope they get some love
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 16:26
So
Can you de-commit something?
Or delete a commit?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 16:31
You can try to revert it I think
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 16:32
@CrusherJoe why?
what did you do?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 16:46
I fixed it
So I made a commit to the wrong branch yesterday
So my guard changes were in my AdMin branch
So I killed the PR from the AdMin branch, deleted the branch itself, then resync'd locally, made new AdMin branch copied back in my admin catalog with changes, pushed to new AdMin branch, created new PR
I realize that's a whole lot of what amounts to semantics but it wasn't right in my OCD brain and I like to keep my branches clean and mono-purpose
And this way if I make updates to things between now and then it's all faction/codex/datafile specific
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 16:52
What prompted me to fix it was you saying the Artemia HH wasn't fixed. It most certainly is. :)
In v82 of AM
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 16:53
The cannon isn’t
Unless that article is incorrect the cannon should be 0pt
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 16:53
....cannon?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 16:54
Inferno cannon
The Artemia has its own inferno cannon
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 16:56
Sure
Sounds great!
Now show me where that point change is and I'll make it. :)
Hold on...unless it's actually like that in the Index
Lemme look
Soooooo
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 16:58
We've been wrong the whole time
Yeah yeah
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 16:58
Yup I just checked that myself
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 16:58
It was 20 points in the datafile
When it should have been 0
Neat
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 16:59
Probably because I built it from a HH copy-pasta and missed it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 16:59
GO! GO! FIND AND FIX OUR OWN BUGS!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 16:59
Oh btw you still need to finish the priest
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 17:01
Uh huh
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe eyes that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 17:01
So you need to make a SEG for Pistols, Melee, and Ranged weapons lists from AdMin
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 17:01
I love how you kinda shovel that one over to me LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 17:02
If I still had a pc it’d be done already
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe still doesn't want to touch that one with a 10 foot pole
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 17:02
What happened to your pc?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 17:03
I’d have just copy-pasta’d from AdMin to AM - but since I still can’t get Mac to run multiple instances of data editor at one time I can’t do that
Oh mobo died
Was on it a few months ago, all the sudden it just blinked off
Only the dc in status light shows; all other lights off and will not restart
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 17:05
Does the power supply fan spin up?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 17:13
It was a laptop joe lol
Like 8 year old hp DV6 - worked perfectly up until the mobo died lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 17:14
Oh
Well
Oops
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 17:17
Yup
But since I can’t get Mac to let me have 2 instances of data editor running I can’t do my old trick of copy-paste from one to the other
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 17:22
It's cool I got it done
Lots of copypasta but no biggie
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 17:23
:+1:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 17:24
Okay commit made, auto-added to existing PR
Did you notice the change to Mars-Alpha LR tanks?
All -10 points
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 17:33
Makes sense
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 18:02
Allrighty
Elysians are done,, went ahead and closed #1775 while I was in there
So all CA changes for Guard and Guard-related things are in PRs awaiting merging
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 18:25
@CrusherJoe make sure you didn’t change Hellstrikes for the other FW Flyers
They’re still bought singly
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 18:41
I only changed it...hmm. Shit.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 18:46
Okay it's right now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 18:48
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 19:01
I'm still trying to figure out the logic behind half these CA points changes. Its like they set up a dartboard for the codex stuff, and then were drunk by the time they got to the FW stuff
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 19:03
No-one understands FW, let alone forgeworld...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 19:05
^this
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 19:13
Actually you've got to think of it as a non-FW-ban FW-ban
I mean
Yeah, you can still take those things
You just....won't
Except for Repressors. I'll still take Repressors.
They're still that good. Worth every point.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 19:16
I'm waiting for forgeworld to bring out different points than listed in chapter approved, then we'll be right up the creek without a paddle
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 19:17
my eldar half-dodged the bullet
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 19:17
I've coveted some forgeworld stuff, well, OK, a lot of stuff but never had the money to be able to justify the price
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 19:17
Yeah repressors going up though makes it harder to squeeze them into lists
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 19:18
spectres are ouch but kind of usable, wasps are worth using, scorpion did not get dumpstered hard and still punches hard enough to be worth the points
the mastodon is the hilarious winner from the FW space marine super heavy changes
it's now even more points competitive than it was before, since everything went up
but it went up less
and it was ridiculously efficient before
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 19:38
That’s amusing
How much is a mast?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 19:39
934 + guns
which seems overcost, until you realize that the skyreaper battery is 42, lascannons are 25 each. and the seige melta is free. (1026 total)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 26 2017 19:44
Yeah that’s still fething expensive lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 19:44

for that you get:
48" 2 shots 9 -3 D6
48" 8 shots 7 -1 5 (+1 vs fly, -1 vs anything else)
12" 4d3 shots 9 -4 D6 melta

on something that moves 10"+ inches a turn, has t9 and void shields...

and a transport cap of 40
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 26 2017 20:04
Yeah the Mastodon is a beast
I dunno it it's a worth it beast
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 20:58
magnet success!
doing my wraithblades as dual sword or sword/board (since I hate the look of the axes)
sword/board using the axe profile
after some fiddling, 1/16 x 1/8" in the body, and a 1/16 x 1/16 in the arm are enough
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 21:29
they are still small magnets
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 21:31
yep
don't think I have enough to do all 10 as blades though
might do the other 5 as wraithcannons
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 21:32
yeah, I have mixed feelings about magnets
I magnetised my heavy weapons for my eldar
and then I thought I'd magentise some of my deathwatch combi-weapons - that proved to be really fiddly and a pain in the backside
I'm not sure if I can be bothered to get too carried away with magnets everywhere
and just decide what I WANT to play with
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 21:34
I generally take the view that I only magnetize really big expensive kits where I only want to buy one and want to use multiple options. OR if the box costs a decent chunk and I know I'll want to use multiple versions of the unit without buying more of them
in the case of deathwatch, I knew I'd be buying several of them, so I just saved combi bits and used a MK IV sprue and the shoulderpads
in the case of wraithblades, I don't think I'll want more than 10, and there are multiple ways I can see using them as axes or swords
so magnets are worth it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 21:36
uhuh
but still really small
and really fiddly
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 21:38
not so bad, but then I've had practice from doing the arms and shoulders of ~60 marines
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 21:39
wow
yeah, that's plenty fiddly
plenty of practice
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 21:39
decent pin-vise and a not dull 1/16 bit, the right size cylinder magnets and a plastic bag to use as a separator, and you're off to the races
I did all of my HH army special weapons, and veterans
Raven Guard so very inf heavy
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 21:54
sounds like a good system
tekton
@tekton
Nov 26 2017 22:03
Sounds like my day yesterday. I did like three GK Paladins and went, "yeah, that's enough...I'm done with magnets for a bit"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 22:07
it really depends on the number of relative contact points you're magnetizing
I can see halberds being a bitch to do
wraithblades aren't so bad because its a perfectly circular contact point, and single contact
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 22:10
groovy, I might re-consider
I have a box of 5 to build
to go alongside my 10 original metal wraithcannon guard <-- no need for magnets there :wink:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 22:11
my suggestion: do them in single models instead of assembly lining, so you have the right arms with the right model
for consistent pose
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 22:33
:+1: thanks for the tip :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 22:43
it also allows you to adjust the matching magnet holes if you accidentally get the hole off center
for storage put the shield arms on, then you can use the 'wing' bit on the sword arms to match them to the right one
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 22:55
oh god, yeah, so you end up having to swap the right arms with the right models
see, it sounds like a great idea, then they come off when playing, get muddled an you're lost
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 23:02
that's why I just made a note under each base of which is what number
and then took a photo of the shield arms lined up in order
problem solved!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 23:04
.... righto...
I think I'll just make a rule of cool decision and roll with it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 23:05
if in doubt, sword and shield, tell your opponent which weapon set is in use at the start
(pity sword and board isn't a valid setup, I'd use that all the time for +1 A with less str and 4++)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 23:12
uhuh, sword & shield would be tough to beat
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 23:12
well
could drop base attacks by one, give the axes -4, give sword/board +1 A, dual swords +2 A
then each of the three would have distinct advantages
axes if you wanted hard pen/multidamage
sword/board as generalist
double swords for full on no-invuln blender
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 26 2017 23:51
sounds good, but then GW would have to think about every combo for everything, and that is impossible :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 26 2017 23:52
eh, I can dream