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27th
Nov 2017
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 00:02
hehehe, me too.. goodness, speaking of which - I should be dreaming...! night!! :sleeping:
Micheal
@Mikle103
Nov 27 2017 03:34
Hey
Quick question is there plans to have an option for HQ choises to make them a Warlord or have i missed something?
Also is the plans to add Warlord traits list?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 27 2017 03:50
Yes and no
We’ve talked about it, but there is as of yet no solid plan to
And remember, it’s not just HQs, it’s any character model that can be warlord
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 04:15

thoughts on this for a 1k list?:

Vanguard Detach:
HQ: Wraithseer, wraithcannon

Elites:
Bonesinger
Wraithblades, Axe/Shield
Wraithguard, Cannons

HS: Wraithlord, Flamer x2, Shuricannon x2, Glaive

Flyer: Hemlock
998 pts

webway striking the guard/blades
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 07:21
It will be fun, but you've burned all your CP's with the webway strike, and you have 0 troops for objective control...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 07:25
yeah, it's an all-in kind of thing
@FarseerVeraenthis going to attempt a conversion of a wraithlord to wraithseer later today, I'll take some pics when I'm done
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 07:29
Fab, I've seen a few conversions along those lines :+1:
Your list looks similar to some I was building the other day
@Mikle103 we've not decided 100% how/if we're going to implement warlord selection and traits
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 07:32
my usual looks more like 2 ws and 2 prisms with dire avengers packed into the serpents
trying to branch out and do different ideas for 1k fast games
1500+ is more serious consideration
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 07:33
Because of the bloat to the CAT files and the fact that people should still be using their codex and its easier to pick a warlord and trait using the book than an app
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 07:35
adding lines to every single character, even as a shared entry list would be a lot of added stuff
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 07:35
@WindstormSCR it sure would be fast with only 14 models
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 27 2017 08:19
@axisofentropy_twitter I somehow thought Chapter Approved is on Christmas. But since it releases next week, we can deal with it by just not fixing that single issue until then :P
God damn app
But holy crap I’m excited
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:22
+1 to wound is amazing
so much stronger than +1 STR
tekton
@tekton
Nov 27 2017 20:23
So, Hammerhand on charge? (still trying to load, silly hotel wifi)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:23
aye
or was charged.
or heroic intervention
basically, the first turn of combat for any BA unit
tekton
@tekton
Nov 27 2017 20:23
That would be really interesting for a squad of reivers
And could work with my Marine Soup Diorama I wanted to make...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:24
"The Blood Angels codex is also absolutely packed with new units." Good god they like to tease. People will be hoping beyond hope for Sanguinius
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 20:26
yeah but, Sanguinius has definitely been definitely dead for 10,000 years
not even emperor half-dead
proper 100% dead
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:26
The entire chapter is space vampires who operation on a blood rage.
You're saying Sanguinius can't rise?
If they ever do introduce him, I imagine it will be more like the avenging blood spirit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 20:28
yeah, I'm not saying they can't - it is the far future and GW can re-con anything they fancy...
just
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:28
The primarch Sanguinius is a manifestation of the Warp and takes over Sanguinor
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 20:28
they shouldn't
tekton
@tekton
Nov 27 2017 20:29
Finally read through it, interesting...might make a successor chapter army for when people come over and want to try them out, they seem super popular with people just reading in to the game the first time (like 8 of 12 people we've had for our games nights in the last three months have asked about playing them...)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:31
Of the marine chapters, they always were the most straight forward.
Marines in general have ... a lot of options that might be confusing, but BA just punch shit ... a lot.
tekton
@tekton
Nov 27 2017 20:31
heh, very true
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:31
Are you in Combat? No? Why not?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 20:32
hahaha!!
tru dat!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 20:41
nice to see codex creep in full effect - Craftworld Autarch Warlords can regain CP's on a 6, Blood Angels + relic = 5+
tekton
@tekton
Nov 27 2017 20:42
heh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:45
One can argue it's worth more since it takes a relic slot - additional of which cost 1cp
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 20:51
hmmm... but you can give it to anyone who can have a relic
and other than the CP it is technically free
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 27 2017 20:51
hm BA get the old Deathwong rule. Harumph
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 20:51
yeah, I thought BA and DA were being released at the same time
where are the DA pre-releases?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 27 2017 20:52
a week later
preorder 9th
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:52
possibly sooner ...
They did relics, traits, and psyker preview in 1 day
Units tomorrow
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 20:53
righto, we'll see what happens then :smile:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 27 2017 20:53
I expect nothing good, cause dangels..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:53
Also, ad-mech also regain CP on a 6 for their trait.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 27 2017 20:54
we'll see but the pts change for admech didnt excite me at all
too minor
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:54
Mech were in a pretty decent spot honestly
Their cookie cutter list issues are borne from availability of choice rather than quantity of points.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 27 2017 20:55
well my experience so far was fuck all
I got wiped every time
yeah, so i hoped wed get cheaper units to make em more viable
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:56
What were you running?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 27 2017 20:56
cawl gunline, but only at 1k
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 20:56
I've found great use in a unit of 3 dragoons, 2 onagers with cawl providing re-rolls, and 2 3-man destroyer units with a dominus
Cawl's too much at 1k I think
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 27 2017 20:57
yeha but without you may not even apply
every other forge world is better in that case
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:00
mentioning forgeworld, a local TO just banned Foregworld rules
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:00
Like, FW models?
or Ad-mech forgeworlds.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:01
I think that's the intent
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:01
... cause we're talking about the later
lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:01
well, ah...
yes, sorry, confused myself - as in produced by Forgelworld
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:01
In the former, that's their option, i've seen more than one do it back in 7e
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:02
uhuh, in 7th it was more ocmmon
common
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 27 2017 21:02
still a bit dickish imo... or is fw so broken in 8th
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:02
yeah, my thoughts too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 27 2017 21:02
typubg wutg a cat in the keyboard is hard1
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:02
I think the FW stuff doesn't always balance nicely
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:02
It's still a bit ... overtuned for costs I think for a lot of units.
The only thing that Chapter Approved fixed for FW is Titans.
There is zero reason people should've been able to fit titans in a legal 2k list.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:03
uhuh, CA definitely made Apocalypse a thing again
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:04
They've been relegated back to Apoc, which is fine. I'd rather not bring my 2k list to find myself face to face with a revenant or Scout titan.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:04
but they're kind and friendly really, you just need to get to know them :tongue:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:04
but a good portion of FW items are ... curiously strong.
Malenthropes were hurt by their points increase, but then again they were retardedly cheap with the index.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 21:12
the problem is that for each overtuned FW unit, there are 8+ that are just fine and add flavor
the problem with the titans is now they need a rules overhaul, or they'll never see play even in big games because they're too much of a handicap
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:13
For sure, but rather than pick and choose things like FLG did, some TO's outright remove the hassle.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 21:13
my real gripe is that attitude filters down to casual play
where joe average retard says "But but no FW because tournaments ban them they must be OP!!!1!1one"
I've been dealing with that bullshit for four editions now, and while I try patient education, my patience is wearing increasingly thin about it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:16
For the US, seeing entire lists of FW indicates a tournament level player
You don't see entirely casual games where one side is rocking half a resin army that costs an arm and a leg.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 21:18
around here you do, we've got one guy that has half his Imp Fists army out of the HH range just because of the look and he likes to paint, uses them in 30k and 40k. A guy with a fully painted dkok army, and at least two other guard players using FW stuff to flesh out tank/mechanized companies from being just basic unit spamming
I have my scorpion and wasps (and a single unit of spectres)
and we still get people complaining
even though the examples of perfectly fine units are all over the shop and local community
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:19
Those aren't bad at all
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 21:20
exactly
what is there to complain about for the atlas and trojan?
one of the guard tank company guys is a friend and just built one of each using chimeras and the galvanic servo-haulers kit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:20
Those the LR variants?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 21:21
they're the repair/recovery chimera chassis
I find it ironic we're having this discussion while I'm in the middle of kitbashing a wraithseer
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:23
Sigmar at least, FW has never been linked like that. Other than the Mourngul
That bitch was undercosted as fuck.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 21:23
yes, but most death players aren't derp enough to run one under a certain level of game
unfortunately it seems sigmar has fewer poor sports and sore losers
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:24
I had one for larger games.
Then I see 2k lists that ran 2
Faced a 1k nighthaunt list that had one in it once.
I've since moved on from death and found love with angry trees.
Drycha is love. Drycha is life.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:38
I always wanted a wood elf army..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 27 2017 21:38
I haven't touched wanderer's, though I may ally in some at some point
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Nov 27 2017 21:39
I have 160 clanrats :smile: , only painted 40 though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 27 2017 21:44
They didn’t touch atlas or Trojan
And atlas is a russ chassis, not chimera
Salamander is the one they smacked hard
And most of the FW Guard stuff that was spammed got hit hard too
Also @Thairne Guard recovers CPs whenever any stratagem is used on 5+ with a warlord trait, and on 5+ when you spend CPs with a relic
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 21:49
the autarch recovery is an always-on rule whenever they're warlord, so a 6+ makes more sense
@alphalas good to know, I don't think said friend was done kitbashing yet
speaking of kitbashing
@FarseerVeraenthis
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 27 2017 21:53
Damn fine work there
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 21:54
a lot of careful joint chopping
I was happy I didn't even have to break out the greenstuff
funny thing, a fully loaded blade wraithlord and a wraithseer are almost equivalent points
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:56
looks good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 21:57
Seer: 142 with wraithcannon
Lord: 151 with 2 shuricannons and 2 flamers
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 21:59
is a "naked" warithseer worth taking? if not, where are your shooty weapons?? to be attatched to the shoulder mounts or somewhere else??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 22:00
look at the back end of the staff ;)
he'll be running, and you only get one weapon, so wraithcannon seemed the best option. The D-cannon barrel is so similar you could easily run it as either one
but for my thoughts the wraithcannon was best since you can still fire it after advancing
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 22:02
although, he can choose one weapon from the heavy wepaon list too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 22:02
its either/or
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 22:03
ok, so, he can run a shuriken cannon
or, or, or, or, or a wraithcannon or d-cannon
so you have some points adjustment options
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 22:04
yeah, I'd always run wraithcannon, but you could easily just not clip the top mounts and put a shuricannon on one or convert a starcannon into a wraith/D-cannon when you do a conversion
125 base + weapons after CA
D-cannon is 45, WC is 17
the powers are decent-ish, having a deny that wants to be up the board instead of camping or in a transport is also useful
still hoping for a change to T8 next FAQ to follow the CWE dex
but I won't be heartbroken if it isn't
was fun to convert, will be fun to paint
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 22:08
that's all that matters :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 22:10
debating if I break out the greenstuff and try and find a cut-price yncarne to chop up for psyker aura effect things
or just leave him looking like be's making "come at me" hand gestures
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 22:13
hmmm... I think he looks cool as is... unless you plan to run your farseers with psychic stuff as well...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 22:14
I might just experiment with a little OSL on the farseers I turned into warlocks from the same 2 SC kits
now I have 5 footlocks
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 22:20
only 5, I have ... lots... but then I am split between Ulthwe and Iyanden
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 22:21
5's as many as I need, I only have 2 footseers (well, one's the eldrad model) and 2 jetseers
1 jetlock
just enough to fill up the spare space in my wave serpents in among the reapers, avengers and dragons
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 22:26
hehehe
yeah, it is nice that they have a Cap of 12
in other non-aeldari news... anyone else want to chip in about #1838 ??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 22:28
I've actually been asked why I run locks over spiritseers, and my answer: they both have C1/D1, if you're smiting you're not casting buffs, and buffs is why you want them, so why pay extra?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 22:30
spiritseer has more wounds and better Ws/Bs
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 22:30
fair, I hadn't looked enough to notice
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 27 2017 22:32
Seer has 4 wounds ('lock has 2), seer is 2+, 'lock is 3+
also, if you run Wraiths, Spirit Seer has a re-roll aura buff
but yeah, swings and roundabouts to a certain extent, 'locks are cheap
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 23:10
THose blood angel changes, now that I've had a chance to digest the implications, are fucking scary
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 27 2017 23:20
particularly with power axes