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28th
Nov 2017
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 28 2017 00:00
You won't see a T8 seer
That would be nutso
But yea, those BA traits
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 28 2017 00:01
at the current pts, yes, I'd expect them to go up again if they did that
the +1 to wound is crazy.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 28 2017 00:01
yeserri
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 28 2017 00:02
terminators with LCs become super scary to power armor, power axes have a reason to see use because of cheap 2+ to wound
power fists/chainfists on the same terminators have a better chance of messing up vehicles badly
2+ wounding on T7, 3+ vs T8
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 00:28
What’s fun is that’s pretty much exactly what their legion trait is in 30k
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 28 2017 01:09
and looks like you're also getting the tartaros and cata terminators
BA cata with red thirst is a fucking scary thought
especially if you get some kind of charge reroll or bonus in there
.....oh fuck
lucius dread pods are cheaper
if BA dreads have that +1
wounding literally everything on 2s
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 01:32
That’s fucking sick!
goes to port my fury of the ancients list to 40k
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 28 2017 01:32
uh
@alphalas not to give you terrible ideas, but in CA leviathans got a discount on paired CC weapons
That’s is my FoTA list
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 28 2017 01:44
yeah....
I've faced an iron hands pure dread list
it was not a good time
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 01:46
It looks like I’ll probably have to swap the one Ranged boxdread for a furioso
I’ll loose one of my contemptor-mortises too probably
Thank god BA are getting the non-relic contemptors
That’s what will make this list work
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 02:00
Damn it’s still a 2400 list, pre-CA
Doubt stuff dropped that hard
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 28 2017 02:02
I should not be allowed to look at the terrain section while bored
because this is the first time I've really looked at the deathworld stuff
and damn if it doesn't all fit nicely for what you'd expect desert plants to be like
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 28 2017 02:09
huh, I might actually grab some of the bracken stuff to add for basing, the plants look spiky enough to fit on the desert style basing I use
Arkhan the black
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 03:20
Opinions on #1840? I say no
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 28 2017 04:11
Why do you say no?
It's not that big of a deal -- but then again, I'm ambivalent one way or the other
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 04:30
Honestly? Mainly because of who asked for it
It’s really not difficult to do; just add a Brood Brothers regiment selector, set to hide all regiment specific stuff
Do brood brothers get relics and shiz?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2017 10:17
they get access to anything that isn't regiment-specific, since Brood Brothers isn't a regiment
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 28 2017 10:23
If we do that, then is there any point to the Genestealer Cults cat?
or does that only have the GSC-specific units?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2017 10:24
it only has GSC-specific units
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 28 2017 10:24
ok
I guess it's easier for GSC as the AM units don't lose keywords. For R&H all the keywords change, so the units have to be duplicated.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 28 2017 14:00
@alphalas let's not hold a grudge ;) That said, I've no idea what is actually on topic, so feel :free: to do whatever you want to with that :godmode:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 14:10
@amis92 I’m German, it’s what we do lol
But it’s less of a grudge more of chronic annoyance lol
Me myself and I.
@Entropy1986_twitter
Nov 28 2017 15:17
Tell him to. Ake
Ffs
Tell him the make his own list builder.....
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 15:26
No ironically the more I think about it the more I think he’s actually got a point
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 15:40
Hey @Crowbar90 you started working on BA yet?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 28 2017 16:32
That reminds me has anyone touched SW?
(don't everyone rush forward at once)
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Nov 28 2017 16:44
Chapter Approved updates for Space Mahreens BSData/wh40k#1844
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Nov 28 2017 17:03
Do constraints currently work on Categories? As in, if I wanted to place a constraint on the Keyword/Category Tactical Squad does that actually function? So far I haven't been able to get any combination of max in roster, force, or parent to trigger.
zopha
@zopha
Nov 28 2017 17:10
I don't know about particular catalog but I've used constraints on categories and they do work. It'll have trouble with nested entries unless you have "And all child selections" ticked.
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Nov 28 2017 17:15
Do you remember which catalog you used this in? Trying to find a working example
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 17:20
30k Solar Aux
That’s the one he’s referring to
See @zopha? I pay attention lol
zopha
@zopha
Nov 28 2017 17:20
lol
Tank commander in solar aux and there's a few more in the Legion one.
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Nov 28 2017 17:58
One last request. If you have time, could you check to see if the Legion Astartes constraints trigger the way you want them to? I can't seem to get the Consul or Infantry constraints to trigger.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2017 18:06
constraints on categories only validate if the category is linked to the force
zopha
@zopha
Nov 28 2017 18:06
Which particular constraints? The last one I made/checkd was the space wolves one and it was working.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2017 18:07
max in force, max in roster. that sort of stuff
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Nov 28 2017 18:10
Ah
Okay, I see what I was doing incorrectly
Your constraints are fine
I was just using the wrong force
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Nov 28 2017 18:20
That seems pretty cumbersome when attempting to centralize forces into the GST.
Anyways, thank you
zopha
@zopha
Nov 28 2017 18:31
If your modifying a category that's linked from the GST it won't work.
With multiple armies it's just too messy to centralise in the GST.
For this particular thing.
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Nov 28 2017 18:36
Well, I was just thinking that it might be a better system to validate all constraints on all categories that are within the catalog the force is drawn from, rather than relying on the force
That way, instead of repeating 15 cases of Age of Darkness in each catalog
You have one GST Age of Darkness and BS checks for constraints from the catalog
For example: Logan Grimnar. There are two entries of Logan Grimnar, and you are restricted to only including one model that has the LOGAN GRIMNAR keyword
It would be very simple to place a "Max 1 in roster" constraint on LOGAN GRIMNAR
Instead, I would have to go into my GST add the category LOGAN GRIMNAR, link it in every roster type, and add the constraint to each link.
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Nov 28 2017 18:42
It isn't super important, I was just looking for a better way to implement those constraints without having a modified conditional constraint on the shared entries
zopha
@zopha
Nov 28 2017 18:45
30k legions have rites of war that modify constraints on categories. We found they don't work if placed on a category that's linked from the GST. Setting everything thing up in the GST to make it work would add quite a bit of useless and unused categories to other catalogues.
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Nov 28 2017 18:47
Yes, which is generally what I am saying. Under the current system, constraints only validate if the category is linked in the force. This necessitates the creation of Forces in each catalog. So that is a good bit of repeated work.
Centralization under the current system would add a whole bunch of bloat to the GST.
If the system was changed to validate all constraints on categories, not just linked categories, you wouldn't need to duplicate forces in each catalog and you wouldn't need to add bloat to the GST
zopha
@zopha
Nov 28 2017 18:51
Sounds like your taking about a change to how Battlescribe itself handles the validation of constraints. Unfortunately nearly everyone her
Here works on the data files for battlescribe and not the program itself.
Gnofry
@Gnofry
Nov 28 2017 18:55
Oh I know, it would require a feature request to Jon. Sometimes he responds to the requests if enough of the senior content creators feel its needed
The biggest request I can remember was fixing Formations, and that ultimately resulted in 2.0
But regardless, thank you for your help on the matter
zopha
@zopha
Nov 28 2017 19:05
The last large request was adding categories to handle 8th. Can see much changing unless there's a major edition change or a wild Jon appears with a random feature implementation.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 28 2017 19:37
Or enough people spam him on Twitter
@Jonskichov
Messaging him on Twitter is usually enough to get him to appear here lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 28 2017 20:14
@CrusherJoe I had a little twiddle with the furry ones the other night, didn't change any points though
and @alphalas I know of one example of categories actually showing in roster view
I was playing around with army lists the other day and Prince Yriel shows the "HQ" keyword on roster view
I don't understand why he is the "chosen one" but none of the other HQ's do that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 28 2017 20:20
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I thought it might be to do with a lack of options, but no
anyone who fancies a challenge can review the Aeldari CAT... I'm largely stumped
BUT it does mean they "kinda" work
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2017 20:46
@FarseerVeraenthis its to do with where you assign the primary category
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 28 2017 20:47
what do you mean?? all those characters have the category assigned in the same ways
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2017 20:47
yriel has it assigned on his link under root
the others have it assigned on their shared entry
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 28 2017 20:47
holy cow pats
so, if we assign on the root entry they will ALL show??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2017 20:48
only primary
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 28 2017 20:48
and we can do away with the cruddy "bodge"
ah
not quite as draamtic
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 28 2017 22:06
Has chapter approved leaked anything else than those points?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 28 2017 22:25
Nope, that leak was all of it apparently
whoops
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 28 2017 22:26
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Oh dear god it looks awful all blown up and close up wow
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 28 2017 22:30
Remember Joe I do commissions. Looks good tho. Are you running her?
James
@skonk
Nov 28 2017 22:37
I started painting her the other day but then didnt get around to finishing
kinda what I do tho that.... start em... but never finish