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2nd
Dec 2017
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 00:06
nope
just points
I think the intent was a big fat "fuckoff and play narrative/open if you want titans"
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 02 2017 00:07
well, I feel stupid to even increase the revision for just these 2 changes (Manta + Taunar).
Honestly, Taunar had 55 PL which now more accurately mirrors a cost of 2300-2400pts (20x) I'm just bad at math. Move on.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 00:08
sad fact is with its wounds and other defenses its bad at that PL, because most decent large guns ruin it so quickly
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 02 2017 00:09
You've never played against the Super Tuna with a roster full of drones, then
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 02 2017 00:09
Tigershark AX-1-0 on the other hand is pretty nice IMO.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 00:09
ex: scorpion even at 700 points with guide applied will cripple or kill it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 02 2017 00:09
Savior Protocols are what needed a kick in the pants, not the Super Tuna pricetag
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 00:10
my general policy for drones is "kill them before shooting the big thing"
it's worked well so far
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 02 2017 00:10
Oh right, Taunar is Battlesuit so Drones can save him xD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 02 2017 00:10
Yep
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 00:10
the problem for it is the scorpion averages ~15 shots with a cp reroll involved
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 02 2017 00:11
And that's a good policy @WindstormSCR but when the Super Tuna is happily murdering the rest of your army before you can kill 60 drones...it's a problem
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 00:11
only 60?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 02 2017 00:11
Well I pulled that number out of thin air
But you get the idea
Plus
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 00:12
I've faced a ravarna and commander list with about that many. it wasn't much of an issue because shurikens are great for killing drones lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 02 2017 00:12
Every. Single. Person. that I've played that had a Super Tuna was kind of a giant dick
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 02 2017 00:12
Oh stop. I hate shuriken spam :D
It's kind of like all those people driving huge cars
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 00:14
good thing Is I know the guy who has one isn't, he got it because he has at least one of everything tau FW (except the manta)
even the orca
fun guy to play, we ended up running through all the narrative battles in Kau'yon when it came out in 7th when RG was still my primary army
we both had a good laugh when we found out it was tau vs RG
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 02 2017 00:15
:D sounds great
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 02 2017 00:16
That's what's up
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 00:19
he's turbo annoyed at cyraxus delays because he plays mechanicum as well for HH, and has been waiting forever to use his bots in 40k
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 02 2017 00:30
@amis92 hey now leave my land yacht out of it lol
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 02 2017 00:36
Yeah, after quick thought I do drive big cars too xD Hypocrisy level high
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 00:36
I like my small korean hatchback (Elantra Touring)
does what I ask it to, runs well as long as it's maintained, killer warranty
and can fit stuff like it's a bag of holding
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 02 2017 00:40
I drive a 94 Caprice Wagon and an 01 Astro lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 02 2017 02:24
@acebaur stuff live yet?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 04:46
@alphalas I just realized how busted good the conqueror is while heloing a friend write a competitive armored company
that coax 'may reroll hits' is crazy, since you can reroll what would be fails after modifiers by choice
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 02 2017 06:38
@ilaunchbury is that pr ready to merge?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 02 2017 06:39
Yes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 02 2017 06:40
:+1: done :smile:
Any idea who stevedeankennedy is?
Did those changes get missed out otherwise?
Ref #1857
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 02 2017 07:29
No idea who that is. Power axe should have been updated from GST.
Don't know who was doing SW changes but probably not him.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 02 2017 07:32
Yeah, I didn't realise there were specific space wolf changes...
Otherwise, @penguin20000 is the maintainer but he's not been around for a whilr
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 02 2017 07:33
He seems to have made a load of non-points changes in SW as well? On mobile right now so I can't check exactly what.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 02 2017 07:33
We've been all been mucking in a little
And yes, I'm on mobile too so I have the same feeling
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 02 2017 07:34
I don't think it should be merged without a review at least.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 02 2017 07:38
Yup, I agree, I've directed him here since we could do with a new SW maintainer...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 02 2017 08:26
on my PC now, will look at the CSM changes he's made
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 02 2017 09:10
the DG changes can all go in. The two name changes are superficial and I did miss the Lord of Contagion price change.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 02 2017 15:42
It has been merged :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 16:18
@FarseerVeraenthis is @Toreador13 around to do the drukhari changes? If not I'll hammer those out this afternoon
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 02 2017 16:19
Thankssorry @FarseerVeraenthis
Ugh stupid phone
Sorry guys I didn't get a chance to download it last night because we were w
Out at a movie til late
I'll upload as soon as I get home
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 02 2017 16:21
:+1: Right on
I was out late last night seeing Justice League
And I must say
ALL HATERS CAN SUCK IT
That movie was good
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 02 2017 16:27
I’m working on a mastodon
Trying to decide if it’s worth painting the interior before I glue both sides together
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 02 2017 16:40
:no_entry_sign:
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 02 2017 16:45
I'm too anal not to paint the interior lol
tekton
@tekton
Dec 02 2017 17:09
just realized i forgot to get my changes in for GK, i'll be near a computer soon- traveling back from a conference in vegas
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 02 2017 17:12
Vegas huh
tekton
@tekton
Dec 02 2017 17:13
AWS re:Invent
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 02 2017 18:01
@WindstormSCR I've not seen @Toreador13 for a little while, if you've got time to hammer out a quick update that would be groovy :+1:
@acebaur don't worry about it, you've got a lot on your plate...!
tekton
@tekton
Dec 02 2017 18:29
...the impatience of people is more funny than anything today, some of the "I just got my book and battlescribe isn't perfect" style posts have me laughing (possibly more than I should be)
Axis of Entropy
@axisofentropy_twitter
Dec 02 2017 18:36
Posts where?
tekton
@tekton
Dec 02 2017 18:39
facebook groups, forums, twitter, etc
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 02 2017 18:39
Also all the new bugreps today
tekton
@tekton
Dec 02 2017 18:40
there's only been a few and they're following procedure, so I get that one. It's the long QQ ones that have me laughing
tekton
@tekton
Dec 02 2017 18:47
time to travel again, but GK's seem ok now with that PR in- so whoever can should be able to merge it, etc- yay more driving! ...
Matthew Strickland
@red-crown
Dec 02 2017 18:55
Just a quick question. When do updates go “live”? Is it when master is tagged or is it a manual push? Just curious because I see that PR that got merged containing SW updates isn’t live yet.
tekton
@tekton
Dec 02 2017 19:01
@red-crown it's a manual push to the server, which itself can take hours to populate for everyone once it's there
Matthew Strickland
@red-crown
Dec 02 2017 19:06
Gotcha. Thanks.
Axis of Entropy
@axisofentropy_twitter
Dec 02 2017 19:21
I got my printed Chapter Approved. Excited about these Apocalypse rules.
Do we have an electronic copy of CA?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 02 2017 19:46
@tekton merged :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 19:57
@FarseerVeraenthis did you do the corsair changes?
if not I'll add those to the pile for this PR
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 20:03
And PR up and ready
if our DE maintainer has vanished I don't mind doing that when the codex drops, since it has a lot of interlink with my still in testing homebrew corsairs cat
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 02 2017 20:55
hey dude, I didn't do the Corsair changes, no, I'm a bad maintainer
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 21:31
Corsairs are up in the PR as well
Just needs merged
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 21:38
@FarseerVeraenthis you're not a bad maintainer, if you were making these changes wouldn't have been so easy :smile:
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 02 2017 21:45
ok guys, sorry for the delay, CA links have been sent, if you paid me for it and didn't get it, let me know(it's hard to keep track sometimes lol)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 02 2017 21:54
merged :smile: :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 21:55
Looking through CA to see if any of the fortification points/rules changed. so far looks like just integration of errata
they also said there would be rules for the haemotropes and other stuff in here but I'm not seeing it
"left hand is assuming what the right is doing"
I'm loving the full selection of stronghold/planetstrike stuff
uh oh
specific detachments for planetstrike/stronghold
should we add those to GST?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 21:59
if theyre official, yeah
just a shame we dont have control over the order that forces appear in the new force dialogue anymore
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:01
they should be near the bottom since they're Planetsrike attacker/defender and stronghold assault attacker/defender
SHould I do them since I have the time? or is anyone else mucking about in the GST
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 02 2017 22:16
So, with all these BA previews going around - fuck I’m gunna need more CPs lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:17
ally with guard, thats the goto solution :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 02 2017 22:19
Yeah I guess
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:26
New detachments PR is up
for whoever would like to review/merge
what can I say, most of my later 7th games were PS/STA
so I'm jazzed up for it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:29
the child forces shouldnt have constraints on their categories
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:30
whoops
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:30
its fine on maximums, but minimums cause issues
tekton
@tekton
Dec 02 2017 22:31
Guard allies...I still need to buy some steel legion boxes....
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:32
oh, haemotrope reactors do exist, but they just got a page like ruins and the deathworld stuff
not bad I guess
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:32
@WindstormSCR it's also our practice to not have the +CP suffix on child forces, so its clear how many CP you should be getting from your detachments from a quick skim
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:32
shame none of the forts got points drops, they need it in some cases
@GenWilhelm I just caught that as you posted it, checking a few other things before I re-up
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:33
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:34
going to run through the forts real quick and see if anything on profiles jumps out
wow
they put the forts in CA but not the points in the matched section... sloppy
Axis of Entropy
@axisofentropy_twitter
Dec 02 2017 22:38
Narrative play doesn't use points.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:39
yeah, it might be a case of they weren't intending it for use in matched play
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:40
true, but they also stated on twitch the reason for including them was because they didn't want to force everyone to buy imperium index 2 just to use forts
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:40
oh wait yeah, theyre all the same ones from the indexes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:42
ok, that should be correct now
thanks for the catch @GenWilhelm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:47
the dedicated transport constraint on the child forces is causing an issue
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:51
I'll get it right one of these days...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:51
the only other thing i've found is the categories are in alphabetical order, instead of the usual FOC order
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:52
that's always been the case for me on every device
is there a fix for that I don't know about?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:54
they appear in the order they are in the xml, which is the same order that you add them to the force in the data editor
so either cut and paste them one-by-one in the order you want them, or edit the xml to be the correct order
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:55
I added them in the usual FoC order: HQ > Troop > Elite > etc
I'll try recreating them
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 22:55
did you copy and paste any of the forces? because that will add them in alphabetical order
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 22:56
I did, but I've never had that issue
I'll just recreate by hand
GST is made of strande eldritch magic apparently
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 23:00
good job we're wizards then :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 23:23
@GenWilhelm try that one
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 23:28
looks good :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 23:30
probably something that should be written down somewhere, but who reads documentation anyway?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 23:31
you mean for the whole force category order thing?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 23:34
yep
I didn't see any major changes to the wording or profiles for fortifications
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 02 2017 23:36
just the updates from the FAQs, presumably?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 23:36
yeah, on the VSG
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 02 2017 23:51
If any of you play on ruins-heavy tables I'd recommend taking a look at the cities of death section in the BRB if you haven't already. Played a game with that yesterday, had a blast
also intercessors with aux grenades are mean as all get out with that (Fire in the hole means grenades are max instead of random)