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4th
Dec 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 02:46 UTC

+++ 8e - BA ALL THE CP (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) +++

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) ++

  • No Force Org Slot +

Regiment: Millitarum Tempestus

  • HQ +

Company Commander: Chainsword, Laspistol

Company Commander: Chainsword, Laspistol

  • Troops +

Militarum Tempestus Scions
2x Scion: 2x Hot-shot Lasgun
Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions
2x Scion: 2x Hot-shot Lasgun
Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions
2x Scion: 2x Hot-shot Lasgun
Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

  • Flyer +

Vendetta Gunship
Vendetta: 2 Twin Lascannons, Twin lascannon
Vendetta: 2 Twin Lascannons, Twin lascannon

Vulture Gunship
Vulture Gunship: Heavy bolter, Twin Punisher Gatling Cannons

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) ++

  • HQ +

Brother Corbulo

Lemartes

  • Troops +

Scout Squad
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Heavy bolter
Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad
Scout: Camo cloak, Sniper rifle
Scout: Camo cloak, Sniper rifle
Scout: Camo cloak, Sniper rifle
Scout: Camo cloak, Sniper rifle
Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Sniper rifle

Scout Squad
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Heavy bolter
Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

  • Elites +

Death Company: Jump Pack
Death Company Marine: Thunder hammer
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Thunder hammer
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Thunder hammer
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword

Sanguinary Guard
Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

Sanguinary Guard Ancient: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

++ Total: [122 PL, 1975pts] ++

Feel like I need at least one lib or libDread
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:20 UTC
air wing for theme?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:22 UTC
Yeah pretty much
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:23 UTC
was gonna say, even with points hikes I would have expected a stormraven
though really you could stuff the scions into a pair of chimeras and grab some cata terminators for extra fisting action
or aforementioned lib/libdread
I feel like you'll struggle more than expected vs armor/mech lists
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:30 UTC
I'd rather run an eagle or a raptor over a raven.
no catas.
tarts or nothing.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:31 UTC
I approve of your tastes!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:31 UTC
cats are too slow for BA
cata*
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:31 UTC
another part of my souring note with 40k RG is when they inadvertantly fucked up the ability for tartaros to go combi bolter with single LC
because the fuck writing the datasheet didn't even bother to read the 7e one
most of my opponents don't care, but it still peeves me
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:33 UTC
idk I'm just trying to work in the most CPs I can - I'm still not sure if the dettas are worth it.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:35 UTC
tbh not really because no strafe
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:35 UTC
gotta see just how everything works out with BA points
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:35 UTC
go with something with potms
I'd say ditch the guard element and go full BA
Raptor/Stormeagle could be a sweet pair
since the stormeagle didn't get dinged in CA and is now a much better option vs the raven
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:36 UTC
fair - but idk if I can get the Cps I want that way
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:36 UTC
and with potms it can actually put the twin LCs and missile rack to good use
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:36 UTC
that is true
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:37 UTC
sure you can, unlike regular marines your tacs can take hand flamer/heavy flamer
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:37 UTC
I've been debating converting my second raven - wether I was gunna go eagle or raptor.
thinking raptor
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:37 UTC
which makes them infinitely more useful
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:38 UTC
true; was planning on taking advantage of the scions and/or dropping out of the talks though.
valks*
also I have 0 non-jump mk5+ armor :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:39 UTC
add some mk 3?
keep it old school, 3 or 4, and just carefully adjust/hack the arm with the heavy flamer bits
or:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:40 UTC
No I have no non-jump mk3+ either lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:40 UTC
ignore region, just what came up in search
that what I'm saying, why not get 2 boxes of mk 3 and some upgrade bits? you can stuff your entire battalion in a single stormeagle
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:41 UTC
I was going hard on DoR in 30k lol
Hmmm... true
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:41 UTC
its what I do with my RG
also tbh the stormeagle nowadays isn't too bad to assemble
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:42 UTC
I have one I made
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:42 UTC
they've started shipping the side walls banded to a rigid cardboard peice
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:42 UTC
Beautiful recast resin bits
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:42 UTC
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 04:43 UTC
I’ve seen far worse eagles come from Nottingham compared to my china eagle
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 04:46 UTC
UGH
I still wake up shaking some nights
I a pool of cold sweat
Nightmares of the evening my friend and I assembled my Storm Eagle
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe shivers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:47 UTC
mine was pretty fucked up but I recovered it with a lot of patience and greenstuff. I guess I'm less bitter because I complained about the shipping since the box was beat to shit, resulting in some of the damage and they sent me a whole new kit
I gave them pictures to yell at UPS with
so one is built out of near pristine parts from both
the other is ~10% greenstuff
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 04:53 UTC
but yeah, I'd say consider grabbing mk 3 or 4 and making some tacs to fill out a batallion for obsec, and leverage your ability to spam flamers
I personally think of the plastic sets the mk III is the better one for kitbashing
slightly harder but the results look better
and 2 boxes with the legion heavy and combi set would allow you to make tacs + options really easy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 05:00 UTC
hmm
@alphalas what weapons does your raptor have?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 05:11 UTC
one idea:
only downside is needs better boots on the ground
but combi-flamer/heavy flamer tacs are no slouch!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 05:41 UTC
I don't claim to be any expert on marines though
not this edition
boots on the ground that can survive alpha will be your biggest issue with that kind of list
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 05:47 UTC
PR created for #1889
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 05:55 UTC
...and #1882 & #1881 lol
Man
Look at the Issues and discover several open things LOL -- all AM bugs closed now
Hey does anyone know anything about a Ynarri update?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 05:56 UTC
no idea
@USSX-Hares was working on something but then I haven't heard
if he's disappeared I was going to table the idea of paring ynnari down to just the 3 models, and having end users do child detachments
yes there is a keyword change for ynnari, but at the end of the day it duplicates four entire cats for minimal gains
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 06:07 UTC
Well there's this:
BSData/wh40k@49f6f9b
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 06:08 UTC
thing is I'm not sure it caught all the updates/bugfixes since then
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 06:08 UTC
In #1699 @USSX-Hares makes that commit and asks @FarseerVeraenthis to verify changes. There's a user comment that it works fine though it needs the Harli/DE CA updates added
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 06:08 UTC
including CA adjustments for corsairs
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 06:08 UTC
What are corsairs?
(j/k)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 06:09 UTC
speaking of, I wrote down the points adjusts I wanted to make while I was on the metro, I should fix that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 06:15 UTC
if anyone was messing about with the previous release, updated points and some wording:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 06:32 UTC
need to make heavier edits after feedback, but that'll come later
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2017 06:43 UTC
Righto, so if someone is feeling brave (or knows python already...) I can fish out the link to the auto merge tool ussx built...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 06:46 UTC
I can poke at it but no promises
for now, I need sleep
I'm still convinced pushing it towards child detachments might be better, but since this is the way we're doing it I can take a crack at it (I have a little bit of python exp, but it might not be useful)
That is the tool he built for auto merging the three cats into one
I've not played with it... But then I don't know what I'm doing so... :wink:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 07:04 UTC
Doesn't look too bad actually
i'll try it tomorrow
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 07:05 UTC
I know enough Python to be very, very dangerous (and not in the good way)
Javier Sanchez
@jvsanchez28
Dec 04 2017 07:53 UTC
Hi guys, I made a pull request (#1872) for the space marines data. Roboute Guilliman does not have the correct points.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 04 2017 08:38 UTC
Hey dude, that's cool, you need @flakpanda for SM cat, if he's not working on it he'll do the merge and all will be well :+1:
Javier Sanchez
@jvsanchez28
Dec 04 2017 09:30 UTC
@FarseerVeraenthis Thanks for the reply :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 13:06 UTC

@WindstormSCR counterpoint:
+++ 8e - BA ALL THE CP (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) +++

++ Battalion Detachment (Imperium - FW Adeptus Astartes) ++

  • Flyer +

Storm Eagle Assault Gunship: Twin heavy bolter, Vengeance launcher
Two twin lascannons: 2x Twin lascannon

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) ++

  • HQ +

Brother Corbulo

Librarian Dreadnought: Furioso fist, Sanguinary Discipline, Smite, Storm bolter

  • Troops +

Tactical Squad
3x Space Marine
Space Marine (Heavy weapon): Heavy flamer
Space Marine Sergeant: Combi-flamer

Tactical Squad
3x Space Marine
Space Marine (Heavy weapon): Heavy flamer
Space Marine Sergeant: Combi-flamer

Tactical Squad
3x Space Marine
Space Marine (Heavy weapon): Heavy flamer
Space Marine Sergeant: Combi-flamer

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) ++

  • HQ +

Astorath

Lemartes

  • Elites +

Death Company: Jump Pack
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Thunder hammer
Death Company Marine: Thunder hammer

Death Company Dreadnought: Blood talons, Heavy flamer, Meltagun, Smoke launchers

Death Company Dreadnought: Blood talons, Heavy flamer, Meltagun, Smoke launchers

Sanguinary Guard
Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

Sanguinary Guard Ancient: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

++ Total: [121 PL, 2157pts] ++

I’m pretty sure this will drop to under 2k pretty substantially
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 14:34 UTC
Man @alphalas you're making a mess
Joy juice splattered everywhere
LOL
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe reads some more BA info
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe chokes down a little bile
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 15:09 UTC
Man, BA are going to be gross
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 15:09 UTC
:+1:
I love how my 2 favorite imperial armies are gunna be sick
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 15:09 UTC
I must say I'm happy for my Blood Angel brethren are finally getting some proper love
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 15:10 UTC
indeed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 15:10 UTC
Y'all have waited long enough
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 15:10 UTC
nods
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 15:10 UTC
I also love how the only thing leaked for DA so far has them attacking other loyalists
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 15:11 UTC
lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 15:11 UTC
I mean, it's not surprising, it's what traitors do
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 15:11 UTC
never forget ophidian gulf!
man if BT got this kind of love I'd have been over the moon
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 15:12 UTC
You guys just wait until the Wolf book
Which had better be kick ass, or I'm going to Nottingham to smack some bitches up
If they make Wolves playable again I'll be dancing around in a Three Wolf Shirt
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 15:26 UTC
On other topics; 4 days till TGT!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 15:28 UTC
TGT?
Whazzat?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 15:28 UTC
The Grand Tour
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 15:28 UTC
Still unsure what you're referring to
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 15:33 UTC
Aaaaah gotcha
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 16:18 UTC
@alphalas split off one squad of death company and thats two vanguards
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 16:35 UTC
I could; but I specifically have the DCo together because of Lem/Corbulo buffing them
Astorath and the banner escort the Sang Guard
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 16:49 UTC
@CrusherJoe did you ever send a join request for BSData? trying to add you to one of the teams and it says you're not a member of the organization
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 04 2017 16:51 UTC
he's a collaborator, isn't he?
that's how we've brought on any new people since 8th dropped
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 16:51 UTC
ah ok
I was gunna add him to the editors team - I'm giving him sisters lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 16:55 UTC
And Guard, probably LOL
Speaking of, PR created for #1900
And where do I go to request joining the team?
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 04 2017 18:04 UTC
off-topic: psyked about Dark Angel codex. i've just ordered some more hellblasters https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/04/chapter-focus-dark-angels/
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 18:09 UTC
deathwing getting access to cata and tartaros is a big deal
also there are rumors that the cata assault cannon kit for 30k will have 40k rules in cyraxus because of the red scorps
that inner circle strat I don't know how to feel about, unless being deathwing gives it some major buffs it doesn't look that worth it
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Dec 04 2017 18:17 UTC
it will probably provide access to another strategem
in other news, here's a PDF of Chapter Approved https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aj6jBRR12IhhIgn0OanzDVAlpJqDM11x
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 18:51 UTC
So #1902
Let's discuss
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 18:55 UTC
The way I see it there are 2 ways to do it
1; a no Force org sSE named warlord linked to root entries, and a max1 in roster “warlord” entry in GST that’s linked, and is simply checkbox named warlord
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2017 18:58 UTC
take a peek at AdMech, I already have warlord traits
might inspire you
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 18:59 UTC
2; a SSEG named warlord which contains both the rulebook traits and faction specific traits
@Thairne we need to standardize though - because if we don’t a list can potentially have multiple warlords in the editor
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2017 19:00 UTC
if I remember right I had a SEG with max 1 in roster and a modifier for cawl
bound to a checkbox "warlord"
You can write in the codex traits and link in from the gst
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:01 UTC
I just looked- it’s roughly the setup I like
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2017 19:02 UTC
so you can choose your model and get the options your detachment specific warlord can take
its a bit show/hide with forge worlds.. but what isnt?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:03 UTC
But obviously we also need to link to something in the GST that’s max1 roster
For soup detachments
I’m driving right now so I can’t go super in depth
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2017 19:04 UTC
then do it the otherway round
Checkbox warlord, max 1 in GST
links to warlord group with generic traits
in codex, link warlord checkbox to characters eligible
add SEG with codex warlord traits
had a long day, my brain is mushy, so if something doesnt work there... pardon
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:07 UTC
I’ll cook something up when I get home in a bit if nobody does before me
But yes @Thairne if I’m understanding you correctly that’s exactly what I think would be best
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:09 UTC
I mirrored the GK/Nids version for CWE
have a SSE named "Warlord" with "max 1 in roster"
that could simply be shifted to the GST instead of per-cat
the traits themselves are an SSEG that is hidden unless "Warlord" is selected
with conditionals to remove options not valid for certain characters
it was the least number of lines solution, since I agreed with the concerns over bloat and wanted to use as few as possible when doing the SWE implement
and if the trigger SSE gets moved to the GST, it doesn't matter where in the soup it gets selected, as it'll trigger a one in roster limit
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:22 UTC
@windstormscr wouldn’t it be simpler to just link to the specific traits for characters w/ set traits?
Hidden unless warlord obviously
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:23 UTC
possibly, I had already done everything as a root of the SSEG and was a little lazy about turning the traits themselves into SSEs
but then you'd have to use logic to unhide each trait when warlord was selected so it works out about the same
really depends on the number of exceptions and special characters, marines would probably want traits as hidden SSEs, but for nearly all other armies I can se SSEG with exceptions being more lines-dense
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 19:33 UTC
PR created for #1904
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:33 UTC
I’ll work up something and we can compare
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:34 UTC
:+1:
I'm not against refactoring craftworlds to hidden SSE's if that's what we decide to go with
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:34 UTC
Which is why I said I’ll make something to compare lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 19:35 UTC
@alphalas so I went through and corrected the ALL CAPS names for Relics and Doctrines LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:35 UTC
marines I'm pretty sure will HAVE to be SSEs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:35 UTC
Cause if your way is less bloated we’ll go with it
We’ll see
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:35 UTC
just because of the number of characters once you add in all the chapters, and FW
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:36 UTC
@CrusherJoe why did you do that? Lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:36 UTC
there's what, 20+ FW characters?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:36 UTC
Oh god that implementation might be interesting
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:37 UTC
you see what I mean?
thought:
BRB, CA, and codex marine WL traits as GST entries
that minimizes duplication across all cats
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:38 UTC
Might not be a bad choice
Even though I don’t think CA needs to be GST
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:38 UTC
CA has the stronghold/PS ones
(and it might be just me, but I'd like to at least try and support narrative stuff like that)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:39 UTC
I think we need to come to a consensus of that stuff first
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 19:40 UTC
@alphalas BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE HAVING THE NAMES OF MY RELICS SCREAMED AT ME UGH SO BAD
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:40 UTC
Because iirc our standard thing is to support primarily Matched, but we could do narrative too I guess?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:41 UTC
I figure for narrative it would only be major listbuilding stuff: detachments, WL traits
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 19:42 UTC
nah man you can't trust narrative players.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:42 UTC
the rest is all player-tracked stuff and stratagems, and there weren't the former two items before CA
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 19:42 UTC
Wanting to play games "purely for fun" n'shit like that
Shady if you ask me
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:43 UTC
I shouldn't tell you about the cityfight/STA game that's planned for this weekend then? :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 19:43 UTC
LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 19:43 UTC
What we theoretically need is a matched/narrative/open switch which turns on or off certain constraints (example: guard’s max 1 CS per officer). Like that’ll ever happen
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 19:43 UTC
Yes, actuallyl
I played in a 3 game 40PL narrative thing a friend put on on Saturday
It was a good time
He has plans for porting his 5th Edition "MegApoc" game
Which involves multiple rooms, force commanders, fog of war, BattleFleet Gothic, maybe even some Epic
I swear when he was telling me his plans I kept feeling this weird sensation, a pulling in my facial muscles
Took me a minute to realize I was smiling so big it was starting to hurt
Mainly because I kept nodding my head and going, "Yeah! Yeah!"
I support all ways of playing 40K
So long as you're putting models on the table and rolling dice, go for it
HOWEVER
Having said that
I don't want us getting caught up in minutia
But since I don't have a dog in this race I'll go along with what everyone else decides is best
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 19:48 UTC
I think that's why the discussion for WL traits is revolving around "minimum lines used"
it'd be nice to support it fully, as long as it doesn't bloat
same goes with narrative options in the GST, only the stuff that has direct impact
PR up to fix #1907
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 20:08 UTC
Reorganizing home entertainment center wiring is so much fun
Said NO ONE EVER -.-
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 04 2017 21:09 UTC
you know whats even less fun?
Installing a new filter for your fish tank. Finding out the high priced filter has a noise level of 50dB.
Its driving me crazy, I can hear the thing hum through my ENTIRE apartment!
James
@skonk
Dec 04 2017 21:31 UTC
Hmmm, I wonder if thats a major fuckup with the change to targetting characters in CA
"character with less than 10 wounds" - not a Wound Characteristic of less than 10. Right now you can't target Magnus, Mortarion, Hive Tyrent etc once you take them below 10 wounds
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 04 2017 21:36 UTC
it seems obvious to me that it's a mistake and they mean Wound characteristic, not remaining wounds. They just can't write rules consistently.
James
@skonk
Dec 04 2017 21:39 UTC
I would assume the same
but how can they fuck that up
James
@skonk
Dec 04 2017 21:46 UTC
They even highlighted that wording change in one of the community articles, I don't understand how that could get through
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 21:48 UTC
Alright Warlord entry and warlord traits entry is up on GST
Someone just needs to name the traits and add rules text
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:02 UTC
@alphalas I'll do that for CWE once @FarseerVeraenthis merges the current wraithseer fix
and hit the GST, since I already put the BRB ones in for craftworlds, I can just copy/paste them over
@alphalas and I assume you need to PR the change into the GST first as well
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:04 UTC
Nope
It’s all ready to go as is, no PR
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:05 UTC
huh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:05 UTC
Like @Kohato I tend to work straight on master
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:05 UTC
live dangerously
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:05 UTC
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:05 UTC
let me get you a PR done with the copy then
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:05 UTC
Work efficiently ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:07 UTC
did you push the change? I'm not seeing it after doing a pull in the desktop app
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:09 UTC
Should be live on master
Yup it’s showing on github
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:12 UTC
alright, I'll refactor craftworlds now then
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:12 UTC
You gotta add constraints and such to GST
I just added basic stuff lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:12 UTC
since I might as well get that done before I poke the eldritch python script that makes up ynnari
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:12 UTC
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:15 UTC
do we want to use a SSEG? or just have shared entries to be added to SSEG within each cat
otherwise you have to constrain 2 entry groups to one choice
I'll just finish CWE as an example and call it good
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:19 UTC
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:19 UTC
ah
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:19 UTC
there's a SSEG in GST for brb WLT
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:20 UTC
I get what you did now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:20 UTC
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:21 UTC
I'll wait before putting any planetstrike/SHA traits in
unless we seem to think they're desirable to have if we're doing this?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 22:22 UTC
Might as well put them in
Name the group warlord traits (game type)
Might as well name the SSEG I made warlord traits (rulebook)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 22:32 UTC
I had a thought, and it was a good thought thanks to @CrusherJoe to reduce output/options clutter
simple no-force-org switch
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 23:16 UTC
Pushed AM WLT fix
@CrusherJoe please make sure I didn’t miss anything
@WindstormSCR you still in the GST doing the stuff?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 23:16 UTC
yep
almost done, had a weird error that took a little to figure out
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 23:17 UTC
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 23:33 UTC
@alphalas go for it
PR up
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 04 2017 23:34 UTC
Okay give me a moment @alphalas
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 04 2017 23:34 UTC
the CA ones are a separate SSEG that stays hidden unless someone really wants them
I refactored the way CWE traits were done as well, SSEs were less lines after all
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 23:37 UTC
SHIT
@CrusherJoe I forgot to merge your PR before I started working
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 04 2017 23:45 UTC
Hey guys, I'm sorry I haven't pushed the DW update yet, it's been a busy weekend for me and I've not been able to dedicate enough time to it yet. I'll I have it soon though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 04 2017 23:54 UTC
@WindstormSCR you updated warlord and the traits to have constraints and such yes?