These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

6th
Dec 2017
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 00:03
it wasn't a bad thing, definitely prefer 300 to 4000+
just have decide if its my heresy mechanicus stuff that goes, or some of the deathwatch
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 03:14
Boo that sucks
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 03:23
considering that the mechanicus stuff hasn't seen use in over a year because all the heresy events dried up, I'm not torn up
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 04:55
Well that's something then
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 08:15
@WindstormSCR, as long as you're alright health-wise really...!
Also, nice to hear the wolves are howling again... CA points are in the latest release aren't they??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 08:16
I thought it was a pulled muscle, turned out to be a stress ulcer. I just got banned from my favorite foods and put on stuff for two weeks to heal it :(
All done now, but of course the bill arrives the month after
my lack of sleep tonight at least was fruitful, figured out how to do general eldar armor in an easy way
base > drybrush > recess shade > other detail
cranked through the armor on 20 guardians and 20 dire avengers in 2 hours with that method
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 08:24
Bloody hell! That's fast painting!! And glad to hear you're on the mend :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 08:24
well, bases were already done by spraygun and rattlecan, so that's how long it takes to drybrush and recess shade
I do need a couple new small layer brushes for fine work though, the point on my current one is starting to go
trying to get my basic infantry done by the weekend since I don't have a huge amount of it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 08:31
Yeah, painting 40 dudes... I haven't finished 40 dudes total over the last 15 years... (I did have a bit of a break in my painting mind)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 08:34
just the main armor
still have weapons/helmets/other stuff
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 08:41
👍
Stu Goodman
@stu177
Dec 06 2017 10:45
Still no word from @Thairne :(
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2017 10:57
its only been a day, he's probably just busy
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 15:31
@GenWilhelm, re #1944, it can be merged. I think I must have dropped a commit somewhere because I'm sure I made that change in CSM.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2017 15:33
no worries :+1:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 15:37
@FarseerVeraenthis yes CA points are all in the latest release with a couple of tiny exceptions which I fixed yesterday
...of the Wolves, that is
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2017 15:40
your wolves fixes were the last thing to go in before last night's release
only thing not released at the moment is that one that was just merged
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 15:47
Sweet. This is good. Thank you!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 15:54
I'm going to do my fixes tonight and maybe start looking at WL traits.
I noticed when I was just looking at the Orks cat that it has a Gametype selector now? Is that something we're doing?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2017 16:00
i think @WindstormSCR added that when he was doing the warlord stuff in the GST. there's some warlord traits that are specific to certain play modes
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 16:01
ok, must have missed that in the discussion.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2017 16:02
i think it would be easier just to check if you have the detachments for those games, then show the relevant traits based on that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2017 16:16
The other reason why there’s the selector is for stuff like guard’s 1 CS per officer rule
Which I can now key to matched only
tekton
@tekton
Dec 06 2017 16:18
There's a theme song for where I live today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxoD9zWY9Rg
If I'm slow to respond to issues/tickets it's because I'm helping with evacuations this week/weekend
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2017 16:19
of course, man. plastic soldiers dont take priority over real life :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2017 16:22
Jesus there’s another wildfire in Cali?
Not to make light of it but damn
@tekton that’s fine man, make sure you take care of yourself and those around you, totally takes precedent
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 17:39
Man I look away for a few minutes and suddenly there's stuff to do LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 17:54
@GenWilhelm the thing is you can take PS/SHA warlord traits without using those detachments
the detachments are just for extra CP over the normal amount you'd get
Ahruhn
@Ahruhn
Dec 06 2017 18:09
Hiya. It seems SW can't exit inceptors to be squad of 6
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 18:11
Hmmm. Okay, I'll take a look at it.
Ahruhn
@Ahruhn
Dec 06 2017 18:19
Can't actually edit at all so no plasma
Thanks:)
So weird - I’ve been collecting Sang Guard since they came out, and this is pretty much the first time I’ve ever painted them gold; and it’s for a commission lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 18:27
And lovely indeed they look...
Anyway, enough vampires, where are the dark angel previews!?!?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2017 18:30
@WindstormSCR the only one that's optional is the SA defenders one. but alpha brought up a good point that there's other list building restrictions based on matched vs non-matched play
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 18:56
@Ahruhn I raised an issue about the SW Inceptor squad business. I'll look at it this afternoon and hopefully have a fix ready for the next release.
Ahruhn
@Ahruhn
Dec 06 2017 19:38
Thanks @CrusherJoe
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 19:56
Anyone have an opinion on #1957? Is a Daemon Prince of Chaos the same thing as a CSM Daemon Prince?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 20:02
I'm going with no and closing it.
SteveK
@stevendeankennedy
Dec 06 2017 20:02
hi guys
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 20:02
hi Steve.
SteveK
@stevendeankennedy
Dec 06 2017 20:02
@CrusherJoe everything okay? Sorry I'm new at this, but what did I mess up?
Daemon Prince of Chaos is different from CSM Daemon Prince. (Same with others that may exist like Nurgle)
James
@skonk
Dec 06 2017 20:12
On a side note relating to daemon princes
the index gave death guard permission to give the index daemon prince the death guard keyword
but the daemon prince in the dh dex is a different unit to the one in the index (name difference)
are we going with the codex invalidating the use of the index prince or would that still be usable with the dg keyword?
because the index prince has access to different spells
dh dex was supposed to say dg dex up there
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2017 20:15
I'd go with different name means no index points
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 20:17
I've taken the Index Prince out of the DG cat and no one has complained...
James
@skonk
Dec 06 2017 20:17
I asked GW to clarify this for the next FAQ
it matters because if we can still use the index prince it allows Dark Hereticus spell selection directly within a DG detachment
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 20:18
which I suspect is against RAI.
James
@skonk
Dec 06 2017 20:18
the various types of Sorc got replaced by name in the DG codex forcing them to use Contagion, but the Daemon Prince in didn't because they changed its name
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 20:19
same as they shouldn't have JP Lords or Sorcs.
James
@skonk
Dec 06 2017 20:20
aye
altho the "use the index for missing weargear" would still allow them to
but ud use the rules from the dex datasheet
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 20:20
again, IMO against RAI. DG are supposed to be slow and relentless, not hopping around on jump packs.
James
@skonk
Dec 06 2017 20:21
so even if you used index stuff on a sorc or lord it wouldn't let you get the index rules for them
well this case is as intended as it is for any other faction
i.e. SM dudes on bikes etc
the prince is the issue because it would gain you rules which are likely unintended
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 20:27
anyone got a link to the designers commentary? Apparently it's going to take 15 minutes to get to me from GW!
for a 4mb file
James
@skonk
Dec 06 2017 20:28
warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 20:28
ta
James
@skonk
Dec 06 2017 20:29
its all a mess
the whole dex, index, missing units, missing wargear etc
in the index DG had "Daemon Prince", in the codex we have "Daemon Prince of Nurgle" - intended I assume is that the "of Nurgle" version replaces the index one but since they said you can use index units if they dont appear in the codex, intended or not, i would say that means the index prince can be used
and since its unit name differs from the codex one, it would use the index rules too
which then gives it access to the Dark Hereticus spells
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 20:31
yes, it's crazy nonsense that they're never going to fix.
James
@skonk
Dec 06 2017 20:32
thought it would not get disgustingly resilient
though^
what most people (me included) do though is we create a CSM detachment with the min requirements to get a Prince or Sorc in to get access to those Dark Hereticus spells but I reckon folk could, as the rules are currently, just stick with the DG detachments and pull a prince in from the index to get Warptime
SteveK
@stevendeankennedy
Dec 06 2017 20:39
Do we only want one person on SW? I can send changes to @CrusherJoe to merge
@skonk that is interesting and is how I interpret it
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 06 2017 20:49
@GenWilhelm, that was quick! good job I was finished! :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 06 2017 20:50
heh, i assumed you closing and labelling issues was you done :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 20:52
@stevendeankennedy Everything is fine, I just was in the SW datafile and closed some open issues while I was in there
If you submit changes in a Pull Request I can merge them
@stevendeankennedy if you want to take a look at #1956 or #1845 feel free
SteveK
@stevendeankennedy
Dec 06 2017 20:59
I will look at new stuff after I finish some projects here, but as for #1956, I think it works unless I'm misreading something.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 21:02
"Deprecation was a mistake"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 21:02

Here's what was originally said about it:

Hiya. It seems SW can't exit inceptors to be squad of 6
Can't actually edit at all so no plasma

WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 21:03
wheeee, I accidentally got a lungful of primer areosaol driver. because someone closed the vent that is normally always 100% open
I feel a bit strange
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2017 21:04
@WindstormSCR what about deprecation?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 21:04
that's my position on this whole index vs codex thing
it was a giant clusterfuck of a mistake that also disincentives conversions and cool self-made models
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2017 21:05
ah ok
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 21:05
@stevendeankennedy looks like inceptors are working, guy must just not be using updated files??
SteveK
@stevendeankennedy
Dec 06 2017 21:10
that is my guess
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 21:12
Sweet. #1956 closed, then LOL
SteveK
@stevendeankennedy
Dec 06 2017 21:12
sweet! I'll work on more changes soon, just let me not fail grad school first lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 21:14
@FarseerVeraenthis still no luck with python
I'm not sure where it's herneating
it runs, it gives me a file, but the file is totally unreadable to battlescribe and any other XML reader
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 21:28
Can you open it in notepad
Notepad ++
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2017 21:44
CATEGORIES WITH PROFILES!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 21:44
@FarseerVeraenthis nope
just pops an error
I think we'll need USSX to come back or decide what to do
I'm not in favor of mass duplication, because then that requires redoing all the bugfix work twice
I'd rather reduce, use child detachments, and put some kind of note on the printout about what ynnari can/can't take and the adjustments
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 22:02
@alphalas what are you going on about?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 22:03
New release is awesome on mobile
Of battlescribe
Categories
Proper categories are implemented!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 22:04
wait
nested forces now work?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 22:05
So where is this new version?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 22:05
Play store
And should download from BS website I imagine
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 22:07
2.01.06 yes?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 22:07
@Jonskichov has commented on #1863
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 22:07
#1863?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 22:07
No, that's the wrong number
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 06 2017 22:07
#1853
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 06 2017 22:08
👍
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 22:14
Holy shit that's SO MUCH BETTER
However
What does @Jonskichov mean by this:
"Also you can add rules/profiles to category entries and they will be added to selections of that category."
Let me re-phrase that
How will that be useful?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 06 2017 22:19
Life's beautiful, just go the update <3
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 06 2017 22:20
Right?
In one release @Jonskichov has brought joy to gamers around the world LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 06 2017 22:27
@CrusherJoe means for 30k for example, things with category Legiones Astartes now don't actually need Legiones astartes rules linked to them; just link it to the category and it'll apply it