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9th
Dec 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 00:08
Well that means someone who knows XML needs to go over all the cats for the guys who don’t ;)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 00:14
well all the forces are in the GST, and have already been sorted
all the old ones were done at the start of 8th, and the new ones I helped @WindstormSCR with when CA dropped
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 00:17
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it's outputting DT, HS, HQ, E, FA, T
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 00:20
ah, hadnt realised the output order had changed
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 09 2017 00:22
@Jonskichov if you haven't disappeared yet
I don't suppose begging and offering nice things for catalog inheritance will make it happen any faster?
Ynnari are proving to be a serious problem without
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 00:23
@alphalas I can't see any reason in the data why it should be doing that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 09 2017 00:25
@GenWilhelm looks like its alphabetically sorting categories instead of by XML precedence
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 00:26
DT > HQ > E
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 09 2017 00:26
...huh, didn't catch that
thought: what order were the Shared Categories entered?
the ones we link to in forces
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 00:27
theyre in FOC order
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or rather old FOC order, since elites and troops are transposed
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 09 2017 00:28
@GenWilhelm I think I see it
and it's going to make you laugh
sort them alphabetically by UUID
eh, even that doesn't work
the hell?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 00:30
yeah, i thought of that. probably something weird going on internally
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 00:47
who do we have on wolves atm?
is it joe?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 09 2017 00:48
I believe so
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 00:49
ive thrown it his way. lets see :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 00:52
Yep I'm the wolf man
What's up?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 00:57
had a wolf issue, wasnt sure who to assign it to :D
oh man. just noticed we're nearly at 2000 issues
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 01:03
Yep it's me
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 01:04
@acebaur you around?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 01:04
Lol
Somebody is jonesin'
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 01:04
No lie lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 01:04
Antsy for Nancy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 01:05
Mmmhm lol
GitArdnutz
@GitArdnutz
Dec 09 2017 01:06
Just put up #1997 . Not a big deal, especially if it breaks existing rosters, but would be nice if it's not too much trouble. Generally loving the 40k BS files, thank you all for the great work you do on them!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 01:11
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 01:12
^this is legitimately me right now lol
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe twitches
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 01:12
I get it
I'll be that way when it's Wolftime
Or Sisters-time (ahahahahahhaaaaaaa oh I kill me)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 09 2017 01:13
Flesh tearers and other successors (lamenters) got shafted HARD
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 01:13
Yeah the day a sisters Codex comes out is the day I sell a kidney lol
@WindstormSCR they did and they didn’t
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 09 2017 01:14
no relics, restricted stratagems
our local FT player was bitching so much this afternoon over the preview copy
(no i didn't get pictures for people to work off)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 01:14
is there no paragraph about it like there was in the index?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 01:15
They don’t have special rules for themselves (they actually never did iirc), but high tide lifts all boats
The Codex is that good, imo
@GenWilhelm probably not - even in Index if you wanted Seth in a detachment you couldn’t have BA named characters in it
So probably same deal
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 01:16
yeah, but @WindstormSCR is say they dont get anything
that strikes me as a huge oversight if its the case
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 01:17
That’s untrue- they still get red Thirst and DCo/Baal pred
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 09 2017 02:02
they get 1 relic, and lose access to some important strats from what we were reading
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 02:31
#1996 was a little wonky, but I got it done
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 02:34
wasnt it just an issue with the shared group being counted for both weapon selections?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 02:39
Yes
So I made the shared group not a shared group for that one model
It's not exactly what I would call "elegant"...but it works
Okay, so
I just saw a trailer for Alita Battle Angel
And I don't know how I feel about it
Alita is awesome
There's big names attached to it
But...they made her eyes "anime size" and
Well
Anime to Live Action generally doesn't work to the point of abomination
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 02:41
couldnt you have just un-shared the constraint that was causing the issue? :P
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe narrows his eyes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 02:42
....
Well sure
But that would have been just ridiculously easy
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe sighs
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 02:45
Wait, actually, no
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 02:48
ach, if its not that simple then ignore me; it's way past my bedtime
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 02:48
It wasn't a constraint that was shared. I think it was the fact that the SSEG "Space Wolves Terminator Melee Weapons" is actually a valid choice more than once for that particular model
Because it only triggered the warning with things from that list in both places (if that makes sense)
Aaaanyway...it's fixed and working now, I verifed it locally before pushing and merging. :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 02:50
yeah thats what i meant. it was counting one extra for the "melee weapon" selection when you picked one from the "ranged weapon" group
so un-checking the shared option on the max constraint on the "melee weapon" group is usually the fix to that
anyways, im going to bed o/
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 02:52
Oh I gotcha
Un-share it on both or just one?
I would assume on both
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 02:53
just the one thats causing the error message
oh yeah, it has the error the other way round too
so you'd need to do both
going to sleep for reals this time
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 02:54
Yeah -- hey thanks, that makes way more sense now :)
There we go, nice and neat again. Thanks again @GenWilhelm
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 09 2017 03:01
@alphalas yes what's up?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 09 2017 09:55
@Anthony2017, I'll check over your edits tonight. I didn't see them until I was going to bed and I'm out all day today.
Anthony2017
@Anthony2017
Dec 09 2017 13:16
@ilaunchbury thats ok, I'm in no rush. Have a great day.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Dec 09 2017 14:01
Has anyone seen an ePub or PDF Blood Angels codex yet?
formatting is weird though
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Dec 09 2017 14:05
thank you!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 14:36
....
@amis92 please?
#1989
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 09 2017 14:44
Oh. I see.
I'll get back to it in some time. Preferably the discussion won't advance ;-)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 14:46
:+1:
I'm already done with him - I'm tired of his BS
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 09 2017 14:49
Cool
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 09 2017 16:11
I know, I know, but I couldn't resist... Not only his he a prat, but he's also just wrong!
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe makes the mistake of reading through #1989 and almost chokes on his coffee
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe pauses before acting or saying anything, as his counselor told him to do
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 16:22
"Because of your sloppy work", huh?
Let's see how many datafiles has he created? How many commits has he made? Oh, right. ZERO.
So my willingness to listen to him has evaporated. And that's all I'm going to say about that.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 16:24
im glad thats all it took if you've never encountered him before
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 16:24
Oh I have a finely-tuned Asshat Sense
His Screen Name set it off
His first sentences raised a flag
And that was the finishing move
I never understood the work that went into this project before I got involved. I always had respect, because I knew it wasn't trivial or everyone would do it. Now that I know how much effort and attention and quite frankly -- love of the game and of the application and for other gamers -- I would never ever not once be derogatory to the team here
The best part is he's marked himself to be an asshole, and therefore I don't have to deal with him, and won't. Easy.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 16:28
unfortunately, not everyone has that level of humility
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe returns to reading old Imperial Armour books
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 16:29
Courtesty, humility, respect
Those are things that should be given freely and expected in return
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 16:29
well said
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 16:30
Thank you.
Joshua137
@Joshua137
Dec 09 2017 16:30
You should see his posts on Dakka, not a pleasant fellow
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 16:30
That bad, huh
See I respect Dakka for it's age and contributions to the community
I just don't frequent it because of the signal-to-noise ratio -- and guys like him contribute nothing but negativity to what should be a realm of reasoned discourse
'tis why the only forum I hang out in with any regularity is B&C
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 16:37
i let my curiosity get the better of me, and i regret it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 09 2017 16:59
Well, I don't even play or want to play guard but I still built a spearhead detachment to see what all the fuss is about... And then I just couldn't stop myself trying to put him straight... Part of me just won't let it go when people say the wrong things in the wrong way to people...!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 17:17
Heh my phone is protecting me from seeing his response to @FarseerVeraenthis; won’t load the email notification
Hey @Crowbar90 how goes it? Lol
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Dec 09 2017 17:21
Lol I'm feeling stalked
I'm almost finished removing wargear entries from the file and relinking to the GST ones, then I'll check all units and add updates :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 17:24
Sweet! Lol don’t mind me I’m just jonesing to see how my old lists point out
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Dec 09 2017 17:26
Yeah I understand :) Since I'm working on it, I'm taking the chance to link everything possible to the GST but it should not take too long :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 17:34
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 18:03
@GenWilhelm there’s the first of many bugreps we’re gunna have
#2003
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 18:05
i'll take a look, but i dont think theres much we can do
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 18:05
theres gotta be something, right?
@Jonskichov
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 18:11
hmm, the report has a different order to what i get. maybe its different on mobile?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 18:16
yeah, android and desktop are giving different outputs
so even if we could do something to fix it on one platform, it would likely be just as broken on others
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 18:21
So definitely a @Jonskichov problem?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 09 2017 18:22
looking that way
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 18:29
Yassss a @cartag sighting!
cartag
@cartag
Dec 09 2017 18:30
What? Where?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 09 2017 18:32
Yep, writing that guy off
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 18:32
lol sup @cartag?
@WindstormSCR yeah
'you weren't around for his first bout of being a pain on the 7e repo
then it was practically constant in the early days of the 8e repo
@cartag I was telling @CrusherJoe about that incident - he loved it lol
cartag
@cartag
Dec 09 2017 18:34
#695 for lulz
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 18:34
yup
that search should tell you everything you need to know.
cartag
@cartag
Dec 09 2017 18:36
Been working, playing Underworlds, checked myself into inpatient for a bit, painted four warbands for Underworlds, that's abotu it
about it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 18:37
Nice - you doing any better, or just status quo?
cartag
@cartag
Dec 09 2017 18:37
No longer suicidal, that's a bonus
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 18:37
Indeed
cartag
@cartag
Dec 09 2017 18:38
Same old same old other than that it seems. Trying to get/stay well
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 09 2017 19:17
I'm glad to hear you're no longer suicidal! And welcome back, you'll be glad to hear that nothing has changed :smile: :+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 19:18
@FarseerVeraenthis don’t feed the troll
While he is technically correct, yeah fuck him
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 09 2017 19:42
I know, I know... But, I don't think he is correct, how could he be? It is not sloppy coding it is streamlined and efficient...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 09 2017 19:48
From a UX point of view, surely you know what turret you've got and then you choose your upgrades from there... Choosing custom load and THEN selecting a turret is not logical.......!! Hence my difficulty leaving it be
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 19:49
No I meant in how to implement the turrets
Radio button is technically an option
but neither style is wrong
zopha
@zopha
Dec 09 2017 19:50
Does the turret have any influence on the upgrades or is it all mix and match now?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Dec 09 2017 19:52
the issue comes when you want to change its wargear, you have to remove the LM then re-add the one you want, this gets rid of any other options (wargear/weapons) you might have given it
the way its implemented makes it easier to create a list, and is nicer for mobile, but makes editing lists a bit long winded
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 09 2017 19:54
so about this with the Lemans... while builing astra lists, i never add extra to the tanks. just hitting "add" and moving on is best imo
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 19:55
I always add at least sponsons and possibly a lascannon
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 09 2017 19:55
oh, well sponsons, but thats it
and he is technically correct about the naming... they are all "Battle Tank" with differant turret options
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 19:56
but also if I'm unsure of what type of russ I want to run I usually add both types, kit them out, and then pick
because I usually don't want to kit them out the same if I'm doing different types of tank
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 09 2017 19:58
so since im adding sponsons, i am usually going into the tank... didnt think about that. so what makes the radio button difficult then? add tank > select turrect and options. it adds one more click to the process? and if its defaulted to battle cannon, not an extra click all the time
i get the guy is an asshole and troll-y and i hated him last time, but it doesnt neccissarily mean he is wrong...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 20:00
no it doesn't.
however, the current setup functional as is
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 09 2017 20:01
i didnt say it wasnt
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 20:03
I do acknowledge that the way he wants it done is the as codex option; however I don't see how changing it because he's butthurt is worth the annoyance of every guard player out there with premade lists having their lists break needlessly
I admit I've been the guy to suggest changes for the fuck of it before - however, I've heard enough people complain about it that I've decided to go with ye olde if it ant broke don't fix it.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 09 2017 20:17
alright guys I'm home finally and BA is downloading!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 09 2017 22:00
I've said it once and I'll say it again
That guy can suck a fart out of my ass.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 09 2017 22:14
Oooh. Oh. I see there've been advancements...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 09 2017 23:22
Dunno who but sure. Fuck Jim
Him
Jim too
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 09 2017 23:51
@Kohato #1989