These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

13th
Dec 2017
tekton
@tekton
Dec 13 2017 00:32
@WindstormSCR i haven't read anything from there recently, though could use a good laugh I guess today...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 13 2017 00:55
its in general discussion
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 13 2017 00:57
@Kohato, @GenWilhelm, or @Thairne : can one of you glorious gentleman explain how to optimize parent/child forces in the data to @capitaladot?
I have a vague understanding of it but I’m sure one of you three could explain it far better then I
That or linkify a reference post he can consult
With the flattened output we’re leaning towards splitting 30k legions into their own cats
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Dec 13 2017 01:00
Our Legion file is still nearly 6 megs, which chokes older fruit-flavored devices. There are that many Mehrines.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 13 2017 08:11
Declaration: Request unclear. What exactly is the problem? File size obviously. What causes it to be so large? Not using links?
best advice for reduzing file size is, obviously, line count. By using links and modifiers instead of new entries one can skim the line count a bit - depends on current implementation though
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Dec 13 2017 09:12
@alphalas I guess I'm more than halfway through it, it won't take much longer!
zopha
@zopha
Dec 13 2017 09:55
I'm going to say too many links.
Here's a sample of the rules linked to one unit, - https://i.imgur.com/GKecErA.png
That's on 30 different units.
and the rules themselves have hide modifier attached to them.
We're testing transitioning those rules over to being linked on one category instead.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 13 2017 10:03
That's ridiculous... /unhelpfulcomment
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 13 2017 10:42
ANYWAY; if @Kohato or @GenWilhelm could explain how to implement parent/child capability that would be awesome
Even if it’s just the simple explanation
zopha
@zopha
Dec 13 2017 10:48
Is that catalogue parent/child or something else?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 13 2017 10:55
Yes - @capitaladot was asking what would be required to make legions children detachments and make the pure vanilla stuff parent
I don’t remember what hooks are required (if any)
Iirc those hooks are all in GST anyway
zopha
@zopha
Dec 13 2017 10:57
:+1:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 13 2017 11:02
in the force (wherever it is - probably gst) you just need to make another force as a child to it and link all the same categories. after that you just need to make sure that the parent force's categories constraints are checking child forces
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 13 2017 11:03
see! Simplez
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 13 2017 11:54
No real hooks are required ... just put everything shared in the parent cat
or the gst
then specific stuff in the legion cats.
zopha
@zopha
Dec 13 2017 11:56
And you make a roster with two forces?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 13 2017 11:57
You'd make a primary roster with the parent
then add a force with that parent as the parent
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If you click Add while on the necrons detachment, you can add another force for any other cat file and keep the requirements of the batallion
zopha
@zopha
Dec 13 2017 12:14
hmmm, have to test that and see if the child force can modify the category requirements of the parent if it's setup like that. I'm going to guess that 40k would not, but does 40k have an army with anything that would modify the Batttalion (using that as an example) requirements?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 13 2017 12:30
No
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Dec 13 2017 13:35
I was going to shout "DO NOT MERGE YET"... too late :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 13 2017 13:36
lmao
no brakes on the hype train
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 13 2017 13:40
I feel like we need to have some kind of protocol for "signing off" a PR.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Dec 13 2017 13:44
Well, to be honest it's my fault for pushing it too early
I pushed it and forgot I had some stuff to check
Anyway hotfix is ready, so no big deal :)
You can merge this one as soon as you like :P
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 13 2017 13:48
Done :)
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Dec 13 2017 13:49
Great :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 13 2017 14:13
@ilaunchbury we technically do
Usually I operate as if you’re a named maintainer, I’ll merge for you; if you’re not I’ll ask first
Or tell the person who made the PR to talk to the maintainer if I don’t recognize
Hell usually I ask before I merge even if it is the named maintainer
But BA, dude lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 13 2017 14:16
:)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 13 2017 14:17
I’m just sad cause I’m not home yet so I can’t manually import and start playing with the new stuff lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 13 2017 14:25
you mean "QA testing", right? ;)
and yeah, im on the same boat - if it's one of us, i assume it's ready to merge unless stated otherwise
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 13 2017 14:40
Yes that @GenWilhelm lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 13 2017 15:21
what in the flying fuck... so many rules?! That's fucked up.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 13 2017 15:23
Welcome to a ruleset made entirely by FW
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 13 2017 15:24
It's 7th ed on crack
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 13 2017 15:24
thats an impressive amount of fuckery...
Anthony2017
@Anthony2017
Dec 13 2017 15:28
@ilaunchbury I finished going throug the other Death Guard Battlefield Roles. I created issue #2025 requesting the changes. Can I commit the changes and submit a pull request ?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 13 2017 15:31
@zopha category rules should help cut down line count considerably, I'd give that a try first because child cats can't modify forces, which means Rites of War would be a pain to make work
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 13 2017 15:32
@Anthony2017, go ahead. I'll look it over and approve it tonight.
Anthony2017
@Anthony2017
Dec 13 2017 15:32
@ilaunchbury, thanks
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 13 2017 15:34
Isn't the "reviewer" process what's in place for signing off on a PR?
Like, request a review, and then the reviewer has to approve it?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 13 2017 15:37
It's more when someone (like Francesco, or me until recently) who is a cat author but doesn't have merge rights to master, you can't always tell if they're done with their PR.
zopha
@zopha
Dec 13 2017 15:40
@WindstormSCR Thanks. I was thinking rites and legion selection would have to be in the parent and just have the legion specific units in the child. It should work out but we'll have to give it a go and see.
Anthony2017
@Anthony2017
Dec 13 2017 15:45
@ilaunchbury , Added pull request #2026. Thanks for your help. Have a great day.
Luke Pettway
@LukePettway_twitter
Dec 13 2017 18:05
For Hellbrutes, am I missing something to get a combi-bolter/flamer as an option when using a hellbrute fist?
cartag
@cartag
Dec 13 2017 18:07
Click on the fist, add it there
Luke Pettway
@LukePettway_twitter
Dec 13 2017 18:08
DOh, thanks!
cartag
@cartag
Dec 13 2017 18:12
Do we need to have the unit name as a category? We already know that is a keyword because of the unit name
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 13 2017 18:13
all my stuff does
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 13 2017 18:29
it is supposed to be. We just never did it before because Categories didn't work properly.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Dec 13 2017 18:47
@ilaunchbury if they’re actually working now ... can you have the categories print out on the roster sheet? (Or define which categories to print out on the roster sheet?)
Basically, the keywords / categories (ie Necron, <Dynasty>, Necron Immortal)
(Fly/Daemon/etc)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 13 2017 18:50
they do print on the roster?
since 2.01.06?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Dec 13 2017 18:50
Stuff wasn’t printing cleanly for all categories last time I beat my head against the desk on the issue.
It was only printing the first of the categories... and not consistently.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 13 2017 18:51
image.png
if there's a problem with how it's outputting you'll need to raise a BS issue. It's not an issue with the data itself.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Dec 13 2017 18:51
Oh, em, eff, geee..... that is effing awesome
@ilaunchbury this looks like it may have just fixed an AoS pain in the neck
Wooot!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 13 2017 18:54
yeah, been in BS since 2.01.06 was released last week. You need to update your app.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Dec 13 2017 18:55
Yep ... it’s raining Tacos...
Today is gonna be a great day! :clap:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 13 2017 20:37
Tacos?
tekton
@tekton
Dec 13 2017 20:53
Tacos!
tekton
@tekton
Dec 13 2017 20:58
@WindstormSCR that shinning spears thing is to a lot of pages, and didn't disappoint in the laughs category
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 13 2017 21:24
What Shining Spears thing?
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe dances around holding the solid resin Vulture gunship
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 13 2017 21:44
wheeeeee
tekton
@tekton
Dec 13 2017 21:46
yay gunship!
@CrusherJoe there's a link to dakka forums a bit up there, here for convenience: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/746036.page
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 13 2017 21:56
current last post is mine
my spears do work, but have yet to survive a single battle, and often die in 2 turns or less
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 13 2017 22:15
Yes sir can't wait to get that bad boy on the table
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 13 2017 22:15
what loadout joe? or did you go magnets
I used to have one that was the OOOOOOOLD kit, fully resin all the way through
and had no power tools, so painful memories of chipping away at that hueg casting gate on the cockpit section
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 13 2017 22:16
I'm going to magnetize but I specifically got the Punishers for it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 13 2017 22:18
its sad it didn't get the valkyrie strafing rule
but you can hover and put out the same volume as a LRP
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 13 2017 22:18
Um
They do
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 13 2017 22:19
do they? I must have misread then
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 13 2017 22:19
Add 1 to hit rolls against targets that don't have the FLY keyword
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 13 2017 22:20
ah, so similar to the roving gunship, but not quite as good
valks get +1 to hit all. there is enough shit with FLY that losing that +1 can be annoying
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 13 2017 22:21
Agreed
But still good
tekton
@tekton
Dec 13 2017 22:36
...now I kind of want one.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 13 2017 22:37
@WindstormSCR reading that thread made my head hurt.
tekton
@tekton
Dec 13 2017 22:38
I just laughed the whole time reading that thread, it was a straight /popcorn moment
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 13 2017 22:39
basically spears need a tiny bump but nothing like the 40ppm nerfhammer being suggested, the amount of stupid in that thread is insane
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 13 2017 23:38
for those following the thread
page 9 is gold
skip the others and read that one, you won't miss much