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28th
Dec 2017
vesem
@vesem
Dec 28 2017 02:21
@ilaunchbury I don't think I'll be able to do all of the R&H. I'll have to read the codex a bit more. I might try for more sometime next week. I at least have a patch ready for the autocannon, meltagun, and plasma gun though. Do I need to submit a request to make a branch, or should I just add the .patch file to an issue?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 02:28
@vesem make a fork, then you can edit ont eh fork and do a pull request
*on the
vesem
@vesem
Dec 28 2017 02:28
Thanks
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2017 06:38
Divinity Original Sin 2 is quite the life-sucker
Like around 1:00 pm I decided to buy it and check it out (it was on sale on Steam, and I'd heard very good things)
That was like 20 minutes ago
Or so I thought LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 09:13
@CrusherJoe welcome to my last two weeks of free time
the game is the perfect blend of modern game and old-school RPG goodness
takes no prisoners, will leave you with the effects of permanent choices, but is at least a little careful to make sure none of those will completely ruin your playthrough
(just mostly, like my archer being permanently blinded until I found a cure a while later.... at least he could stab stuff with a spear)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2017 16:05
@WindstormSCR indeed. The people that recommended it to me in the first place are (like me) also all pen and paper RPG-ers
I was lamenting the state of modern RPGs -- there weren't any -- they'd all become some FPS abomination (alas, poor Fallout, you were so amazing, and now you're unplayable)
I brought this up in a group
It was so funny, they all looked at each other and almost as one looked at me and said, "Divinity Original Sin 2"
Isometric view? CHECK
Game mechanics? CHECK
Character sheet? CHECK
Immersive and expansive plot? CHECKITY CHECK CHECK
I dearly LOVE the fact that there's a Narrator, and how your responses are presented as RPG choices -- it really drives home the "You're role-playing" feeling. This game fills the hole left by Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights.
James
@skonk
Dec 28 2017 17:56
some daemons codex info up now; looks interesting
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 18:02
@CrusherJoe and there's GM mode for new and impressive ways to torment your friends
pyroclastic eruption traps give new meaning to "rocks fall everyone dies"
I think the fact they made the story actually compelling is the best part of it all
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 18:17
who thought this was even remotely good design?
inb4 screamer-star or similar is back
someone should find the designer that wrote that and make them choke on it
James
@skonk
Dec 28 2017 18:22
because its too good for shit?
I assume this would confer to "Tzeentch Daemons" from other Detachments, I.E. Magnus or Daemon Princes from a Thousand Sons detachment (assuming they stand within 6 inches of a character from the Daemons detachment)
too good OR shit that was supposed to say
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 18:24
people are already considering reductions in ability to hit a major problem with the game, that just feels like doubling down on bad design because you can't even use your own positive modifiers to counter it. it's just "you fail, haha"
James
@skonk
Dec 28 2017 18:24
aye
my initial response is that its very good
but because you roll 2 dice and take the lowest, it has quite a high chance of doing nothing
roll a 1, 1 or a 1,2 and it has no effect
end up with a 2 and it has no effect on most stuff (who miss on a 2 anyway)
but if you roll a 3+ on it and it's better than having -1 to hit since as you said, modifiers can't counter it
But is a Tzeentch army really one that wants to be in combat?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 18:36
actually yes, because most of thier shooting is psy-based
or very short range so they'll find themselves there anyway
which is why to me it jumps out
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 28 2017 18:55
new tau unit spotted! It's a tank! A fish tank!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 18:56
que?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 28 2017 18:56
20171228_190441.jpg
j/k. Got my new tank set up today
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 18:57
looks nice, dimensions?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 28 2017 18:57
180x60x60, metric :P
648l
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:14
Imagine that, + Changeling near a full unit of screamers.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:14
@Kohato changeling does what?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:14
Roll a 4 for the result. Turns a BS of 3 into a BS of 5
9" Aura for Tzeench Daemons to get -1 to hit in all phases.
Is nasty
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2017 19:14
Once again, hit 'em with 3 or 4 Manticores and LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:15
the locus thing is fight phase only
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:15
Ohh
WS then, screamers are gonna be on combat anyway
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:15
but yeah, they want to be in melee generally with the short range
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:15
Changling's works in both phases, but concept stays the same.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:15
so screamer star is back
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:15
And flamers.
Good god a full unit of flamers is disgusting.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:16
"you have wraithblades with axes? too bad they'll never hit anything!
because -1 axe, -1 changeling, if you roll decent for locus that means that the lower rolls that would do shit no auto-fail
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:16
My next army may very well be a combined Tsons/Desciples/Daemons tzeench army for 40k and sigmar.
The only thing I think the interaction wouldn't work on is things that give mortal wounds on to hit of 6.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:17
so WS 3+ becomes 5+, and then if rolled a 3, its effective 6+
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:17
The to hit fails, but it was still rolled, so the mortal would be done regardless.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:18
or if you got a 4, same effective 6+
@Kohato I'd agree there, and there is precedent
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:18
Now if only they'd give 40k destiny dice.
Tzeench would be full on troll.
Destiny Dice, if you don't play sigmar, is tzeenches toy. Roll 9 dice at the start of the game. You can substitute any dice of Charge, Hit, Save, or Leadership rolls, or damage, with one of the dice.
It's fun
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:19
so it's the silver tower mechanic
on a larger scale
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:20
Which gets particularly trolly with a model called archeon, who's weapon - if you roll two 6s to wound on his attack (he has 4 attacks), it auto slays the target.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:20
tbh that would be a more reasonable thing than making melee deathstars
since we don't really have an archaeon equivalent
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:20
Replace two wounds with 2 of those 6s and bam - point at a model and it dies.
Bthirster's axe could be close.
But that's cross daemon, I'd imagine a 40k limitation would be tzeench only to replace.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:21
eh, just lock it to tzeench or undivided models
that'd be pretty damn fun I think
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:22
You could cause havoc with magnus too
replacing his psyker dice
to get that yummy 2d6 smite
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:22
I was just typing that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:22
haha
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:22
fagnus ruining every good idea forever
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:22
If it exists, it will be broken
the nature of our game.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:23
"why can't we do this good and fluffy game mechanic? Magnus." "But what about? Magnus" "Maybe this? Magnus" REEEEEE
(I'll stop)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2017 19:23
Look at character targeting ... perfectly reasonable and fluffy mechanic.
Then we get 6 cullexus guarding guilliman and 3 flyers.
Because fuck your game.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 19:24
at least the eldar codex even the broken lists are somewhat fluff
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2017 19:56
LOL
Said every Eldar cheese-monger ever
Magnus is hands down the reason why we can't have nice things
I'd gladly trade my Guilliman ball for Magnus
Remove Bobby G from the game and take Smegmus with him, I'd take that trade all day long
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 28 2017 20:00
@CrusherJoe I don't play cheese, I even stopped taking the iyanden blender button for wraiths because it was too strong in my local meta where no one has heard of screening units :(
@Kohato thing about the locus probability without command roll
30% chance of a 1, but the thing is it's a single 2d6 drop 1 for your entire army, and thus a very likely candidate for a single-die command reroll of the lower
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 28 2017 21:35
For AM (and R&H), there are 2 costs for plasma and melta. Is the cheaper cost only for units with BS 4+, i.e. units with a 5+ don't pay less as well?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2017 21:39
Correct
BS3+ is the higher cost
It's either BS3+ or better == higher cost, BS4+ or worse -- lower cost
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 28 2017 21:40
I couldn't (easily) find where it said that.
cheers
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2017 21:40
:+1:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 28 2017 21:46
@ilaunchbury you reminded me I had a bugola to fix involving BS3+ stuff in DKOK thank you LOL
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 28 2017 21:48
NW. :smile:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 28 2017 22:07
@Thairne that fish tank is epic
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 28 2017 23:32
its a day old. We'll see once the fish move over, get stocked up and everything grows into good order... But I'm excited :P
After all its not a 60l pond or something