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3rd
Jan 2018
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 01:28 UTC
almost certainly collectivity doing that
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 09:58 UTC
yeah that goes way back to when we first got 8th ... if you took two similar units (Necron Immortals for me) and changed one from gauss to Tesla it would do the same for the other squad or just do something random like juggle flaming kittens for a minute.
and the word "Collective" came up a lot
in other news, the fine users of Dakka gave their statutory hug of whinging death to the user who was posting leaks with their inexorable complaining about minor things they didn't like
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 03 2018 10:44 UTC
The people bitching in that thread were pretty dumb
how someone doesn't hear "unrestricted, repeatable deepstrike" on an army that's mostly melee with no transports boggles my mind, especially when we also know the ones that cared most about charges can get a flat 3d6.....
screamers not being suck makes me think that getting locus effects on them and slamming into combat could be fun
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 12:23 UTC
as in summoning?
The only real issue with summoning is that the points you reserve are point that now don't generate command points. The more stuff you want to summon... the less command points you have. In a game where all the fun and flavourful rules come from stratagems, crippling your ability to generate command points to use those strats is not a good design.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 12:38 UTC
i assume he's talking about the stratagem
1 CP for any unit up to 8 power, 2 CP for any unit of at least 9 power
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 12:40 UTC
ah
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:37 UTC
Since I'm afraid of getting some kind of venereal disease from Dakka, can daemons reserve everything and DS it in or something?
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:37 UTC
The 50% rule will always apply
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 13:38 UTC
^ this probably wont be overwritten anytime soon
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:38 UTC
But there is a strat that (like lots of other armies) lets you take units that usually have to start on the table... start off it
and you can also use summoning to do the same thing for no CP - but at the cost of not generate many CP's cos of all the reserved points
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 13:39 UTC
summoning requires one of your characters to stand still and only has a limited range
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:39 UTC
oh noes, forcing players to make choices and not just handing them a plate of steaming hot cheese
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:40 UTC
you sound a bit butthurt there
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:40 UTC
Negative
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:40 UTC
apparently anyone trying to discuss pros and cons = cheese mongers
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:41 UTC
I'm just tired of a certain segment of the playerbase expecting every army that comes out to be broken AF right off the bat
That's no really the discussion though @skonk
Full army deep strike would be broken, broken, broken
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:42 UTC
Who said anything about wanting full army ds?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:42 UTC
I'm only saying it's a good thing they didn't get it
They were the outlier from 7th I was concerned about
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:43 UTC
yes... but who the fuck was asking for it?
you brought it up, no one else did
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:43 UTC
Oh, sorry. Daemon players in my area
My bad, sorry
I wasn't accusing anyone here of mongering
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:44 UTC
ah my bad then, thought the comment was aimed at the discussion directly above itr
on a side note; just had to email the FAQ folk
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 13:44 UTC
oh yeah?
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:44 UTC
Obliterators in the CSM dex have DAEMON in the faction keywords section
should be in the standard keywords
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:44 UTC
On no -- wow, I really screwed the pooch there. My fault. I apologise
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:45 UTC
if thats not fixed then when the new daemons dex hits folk can put CSM oblits in the daemons detachments and benefit from the daemons rules
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:45 UTC
Oh boy
That will cause...issues LOL
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:46 UTC
yeh lol, oblits are pretty strong anyway
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:46 UTC
I helped a friend make a list called "Too Oblit, Too Oblit to Quit"
...and I wish I hadn't LOL
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:47 UTC
heh
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 13:48 UTC
mutilators dont have the same, so we can only hope it was a mistake
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:48 UTC
In the context of the rest of the codex it 100% must be; nothing else in there that has Heretic Astartes has Daemon too in the faction section
the actual Daemons in there (for summoning, bloodletters etc) dont even have Daemon in the faction section... just Chaos and whatever God they use
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 13:52 UTC
huh, hadnt noticed that last one
that is rather weird
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:57 UTC
Sorry for getting snarky earlier btw
i kept a bit funny when i think folk are accusing me of doing some sort of win at all costs thing
i feel a bit misunderstood :)
i always make lists purely based on fielding what i think is fun, not what i think is strong but i'm really OCD about the rules
i dont care if im helped or hinder by a rule as long as im doing the rule right
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:59 UTC
I have a simple rule about rules
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 13:59 UTC
so for example, when i come in here and argue that for example... Death Guard should still have access to the index Daemon Prince (and the CSM spells) it's not cos i think its fair or right, or that I want to run a list like that (if I want those spells i just take a -1 and put a sorc in the list; but rather because i believe its correct within the rules to allow it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 13:59 UTC
If a rule can be interpreted more than one way, always go with the interpretation that is the least advantageous to you.
GW has done a very good job with 8e so far
But it's not without issues
And honestly, the whole, "Just use the Index version" is the biggest issue there is
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:01 UTC
it's windows 8 ... and we want it to get to 8.1 asap
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:01 UTC
No 8.1 still sucked
We want/need 10 lol
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 14:02 UTC
removing units in the codexes was a huge mistake
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:02 UTC
Man I love #2133
I don't have the official La Femme de Rambo rules
ERK
Sorry, knee jerk reaction to 5e guard lists with the Marlboro Man
UGH DID IT AGAIN
Sly Marbo
PLEASE ALLOW ME TO START OVER
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:04 UTC
AAAAAAAAAaaaAAAaaaaaa?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:04 UTC
I don't have the rules for Marbo. As far as I know they haven't been officially released except for a limited edition thing?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:09 UTC
@CrusherJoe I agree 8th was a giant leap in the right direction, I do think they could have fixed a lot of the rules and stuff with some more intensive playtesting outside of the ITC guys ... a free BETA edition of the 12 pages well in advance of the books going to print could have worked wonders
Granted, from 5e.
But worth a chuckle, still
Funny how things come full circle...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:11 UTC

LOL - START OF GAME

Before the game begins, use your REGIMENTAL ADVISORY NEUROMANCER's "NYAH NYAH NYAAAAAH!" special ability which grants you first turn and forces your opponent to leave his army in the transport case. It's a merciful power, really, as it saves your opponent the hassle and humiliation of getting all those models out only to have to put them all back up really, really soon.

that was me last week vs double firing, re-rolling punishers with Pask and friends
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:12 UTC
Oh my yes
Pask and his buddies are hilarious
IF you're playing Guard, anyway :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:14 UTC
Aaaah thank you sir
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:14 UTC
those rules are from last May! They just re-released the actual model
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 14:14 UTC
last may :thinking:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:15 UTC
Nope those rules aren't correct -- he's listed as an Elite, and he's an HQ now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 14:16 UTC
last may was before 8th edition :P
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:20 UTC
@CrusherJoe aaaand there goes all productivity for the rest of today :) just reading the "shooting Phase" .. man.. I'm getting dejavu summat serious !
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:22 UTC
:)
Glad you like it
This -- is still my favorite line from the whole thing: "...say the magic phrase, "WERE YOU IN THE 'NAM, MAN?" to automatically bring LA FEMME DE RAMBO into the game."
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:23 UTC
oops
try this one?
it was in WD according to that page?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:25 UTC
WD had the ad for it
It was only available on Boxing Day
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:26 UTC
on another topic, did you see the PR I made for the DKOK Quartermaster?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:26 UTC
Oh -- no, did you fix it?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:26 UTC
yeah, I was bored this morning at work.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:27 UTC
Done and done sir -- thank you
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:27 UTC
I put it up for you to check you're ok with the implementation.... but you've merged it now so I guess you're happy :)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:27 UTC
Checking Schmecking
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:27 UTC
I'm good with whatever works LOL
I hate to say that DKOK QM is a fringe case, but we all know that it is
And the REASON we know as it's been wanked up for months (evidently) and it was only just now noticed.
I poked @alphalas about it
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:29 UTC
I'm the same about R&H. I know it needs major work, but I just can't work up the energy.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:31 UTC
I haven't even looked at R&H
Is it really that bad?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:32 UTC
it just needs a lot of work following the designers commentary to make sure everything is aligned with Codex AM.
it's not too bad from a basic implementation viewpoint
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:32 UTC
I could carve out some time this weekend if you'd like some help
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:33 UTC
The designers commentary that needs updating since the FAQ that was changed in CA and has since been erratad and had a Beta rule change ? -- pending FAQ errata (TM)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:33 UTC
Yes, THAT one
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:33 UTC
:clap:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:33 UTC
I almost feel sorry for GW
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:34 UTC
almost :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:34 UTC
Putting on big boy pants, picking up a racket and getting in the game like a real boy...er...company
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:34 UTC
anyway, I haven't been through everything to make sure it's using the Codex:AM versions of stuff, where it's inherited from AM and not R&H specific.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:34 UTC
The thing is, will they learn from their mistakes?
Open public beta testing -- even closed beta, with hundreds of testers would have been a great thing
I almost -- almost feel sorry for my elf friends. 8th is the "This is how the rest of us felt playing you for the last 3 years" edition
@ilaunchbury most of the AM stuff is inheriting from GST nowadays
With a few notable exceptions (things like points in most cases)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:38 UTC
it's things like making sure weapon options are correct.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:39 UTC
In my dream world implementation, BS would have true inheritance
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:39 UTC
It's on the wishlist and Jon is supposed to be doing it for 2.02
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:39 UTC
include imperium_sm_weapons.h;
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe nods
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:46 UTC
I don't envy GW the task they have set themselves in opening their doors to the flood of feedback .. even since the FAQ attempt on Facebook .. they just seem inept at collating that info and more determined (on the community pages at least) in giving snide remark and promises of "we'll get to that soon" ... they don't seem to have anything in place to treat it like a workflow ... "Change X here ... Y over here is automatically adjusted" ... it makes no sense to me .. just feels like it's done on the back of a fag packet
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:47 UTC
That's just it
There's no real sense of Change Control
I realize it's not software
But it would benefit tremendously from basic QA and change control practices
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:49 UTC
the biggest glaring one is the lack of coherency in GW / FW smacks of zero communication too
and these are the guys that are going to release a BSDATA killer app for army building ... I chuckled
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 14:50 UTC
I hate to say it, but I agree
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 14:51 UTC
maybe we should see if they want to employ us? :) Problem is that they want everyone to work in Nottingham, and I don't want to move there.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 14:52 UTC
why? they have Bugmans :) and the FW shop .. and .... oh ... yeah
"Just pay me in resin!" on my CV
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 15:00 UTC
it's not that. It's having to live in Nottingham :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 15:01 UTC
Yeah I work from home ~90% of the time, and I'm quite accustomed to it :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 15:02 UTC
well you dont have to live there. you could commute from... uh... i'll get back to you on that one
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 15:03 UTC
it's probably a 3 hour commute from where I am now.
which is pushing it a bit
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 15:04 UTC
applied to work at Blizzard back in the WoW days .. they wanted folks to move to bloody France,
I'll stick with the traffic on the M60 thanks
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 15:05 UTC
An old colleague of mine had a friend who was a GM for WoW. Their usernames had to be googlewhacks.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 15:05 UTC
"googlewhacks"?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 15:06 UTC
google only returns one result
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 15:06 UTC
Heh for me the commute would involve a trans-Atlantic flight, so...probably not on the table :)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 15:07 UTC
someone bought me a book by that name a few years back ... some guy went to visit a load of places / people that were Googlewhacks and wrote about his travels .. was quite entetaining
Dave Gorman
bloody hell 14 years ago ! and I still know what it is
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 15:12 UTC
yay for useless information cluttering up our brains!
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 15:12 UTC
and now I'm fully down another rabbit hole ...
Google has changed its algorithm - meaning that the goalposts have moved. So googlewhacking as it existed then, can never really happen now. Everything is different. Which is as it should be - if the internet stood still, it would be a pretty useless resource.
What Google used to do, when you searched for two words, was look for them both. It would come back with every page it could find where Word A and Word B appeared. But at some point in time, Google started returning results for Word A or Word B. Which is different.
so Blizzard must have a new and more painful way to allocate names to their employees
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 15:14 UTC
Well you can still do it I assume with the + operand
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 15:14 UTC
but it isnt the default behaviour, which was kind of the point
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 15:15 UTC
True
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 15:51 UTC
quick point of interest rather than anything mentally challenging for us this afternoon, Space Marine Intercessors ... "one model may take" the auxiliary grenade launcher ... anything stopping that from being the sergeant model with power sword ? ( disclosure- I don't own any, just caught something on Reddit and wondered if it cropped up in your work)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 15:53 UTC
nope, sarge should be able to take one if he wants
afaik we do all intercessor wargear at the unit level, so you dont actually specify which model has it equipped when you take one
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 03 2018 15:58 UTC
thought so, makes sense
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 16:34 UTC
Rules wise it's as you said but in terms of the models the grenade launcher is modelled as part of the bolt rifle; so thematically you'd at least need a bolter of some sort to hold it :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 16:38 UTC
and who said that the codexes didnt offer conversion opportunities? :P
yeah, for some reason it's only just clicked in my head that the sergeant doesnt have to have a rifle
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 17:26 UTC
Do we know how many points ol' Sly Marbo is?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 03 2018 17:28 UTC
#2133 says 65
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 17:56 UTC
I know I can't
But I really, REALLY want to...
Sly.PNG
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 18:05 UTC
why cant you?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 18:12 UTC
Lol. Would it be n
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 18:12 UTC
Because it wouldn't be correct.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 18:12 UTC
...neater/easier to read to break Lethal Ambush into a table?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 18:13 UTC
How to do that?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 03 2018 18:15 UTC
@skonk he’s referring to his custom rule he added
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 18:19 UTC
ah
oh yeh lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 20:28 UTC
image.png
@CrusherJoe, create a custom profile type
James
@skonk
Jan 03 2018 20:39 UTC
anyone know a reliable way to convert epubs to pdf ?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 21:11 UTC
....custom...profile...type....yes...tell me more?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 21:22 UTC
so, in the screenshot above, I created one for the Gift of Contagion in DG.
it then outputs like so
image.png
and looks like
image.png
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 21:25 UTC
Right but what do you create in the first place?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 03 2018 21:27 UTC
Profile types
I’ll show him @ilaunchbury
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 21:30 UTC
I've just done it
I'm uploading it now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 03 2018 21:31 UTC
Kk lol
I just got home so a little behind lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 21:33 UTC
@CrusherJoe, I've just pushed it to your cj-latest-batch branch. Look under "Profile Types" in the tree. I've added one called "Lethal Ambush".
Marbo then has 3 entries of that type, one for each option. I've then modified the text of the ability to reference the table.
image.png
looks nicer (IMO) in the output.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 21:37 UTC
Aaaaaaaah
Thank you
I see it now
Awesome
I'll merge it now
You're right -- it looks much better
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 03 2018 21:38 UTC
hory sheet skullcannons got buffed
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 21:39 UTC
don't merge yet!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 03 2018 21:39 UTC
from heavy D3 8 -1 d3 to heavy d6 8 -2 d3 and down to 100
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 21:39 UTC
....
already done LOL
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 21:39 UTC
spotted some typoes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 21:40 UTC
I'll fix 'em real quick
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 21:41 UTC
Fixed in your branch
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 21:41 UTC
Arrighty :)
Now we're done! :)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 21:43 UTC
@WindstormSCR, where did you see that?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 03 2018 21:43 UTC
guy who's been posting on dakka, and has 100% accuracy so far
he came back from the death hug
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 21:44 UTC
oh, the dakka thread.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 03 2018 21:45 UTC
soulgrinders got a similar treatment on the bigger gun
d3 to d6
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 03 2018 21:53 UTC
@CrusherJoe, make a custom profile type
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 03 2018 21:55 UTC
?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 03 2018 22:10 UTC
Glitch