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6th
Jan 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 00:00
the biggest thing I'd DS is a Lord of Change with impossible robe and the "not a wave serpent shield" warlord trait
mostly to avoid getting anihilated going second or seized on
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 00:01
It's high time something was done about "the horrors"
They were criminally undercosted for a 4++ and everyone knows it
They're just going to have to FAQ shit up so no other source of brims has anything but 6++
Dios mio
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 01:39
that is a very angry pair of gentlemen
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 01:46
I'd say just about the right amount of angry LOL
I was thinking
IF ONLY the Imperium had a specialized group that was good at hunting and killing daemons
And then I remember the GK codex
...and then I cried a little
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe sighs. Deeply.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 01:51
I have a local GK player who was hype when I told him I was going chaos
chaos aside from deathguard is very under-represented at my store
it'll be fun to change that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:11
welp
the reviews of the book are up
@CrusherJoe you got your anuerysm medication handy?
from listening, here is the locus we all wanted to know: "If your army is battle-forged and all units belong to the same god, each character gets a locus ability"
which we then know the wording of and it buffs anything with the right keywords
so enjoy that on DG shit, daemon engines, and other things
personal take: while I like the level of integration this provides chaos, they're going to need to FAQ a few things so the soup doesn't boil over
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:28
ex: if I'm planning to use mostly summoning to bring in tzeentch daemons as needed, I can just take the herald on chariot and some horrors to sit on a backfield objective in patrol, get the locus and then summon other horrors/screamers/flamers as needed
or the crazier version: LoC/changeling/herald and an exalted flamer in a supcom, fill the rest with CSM and a summoning reserve
in any case, I think @CrusherJoe 's prediction that CPs will be hard for daemons to amass in quantity while getting all possible benefits is very accurate
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 02:31
Has this made the rounds here?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:32
yeah
the original dakka thread was posted here
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 02:32
Ah
Man I'm behind the game today lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:32
I've been active in it
it's actually pretty cool that the heralds and stuff will buff possessed/daemon engines
I'm cool with that even if I wasn't planning to play CSM
where things break down is letting them affect lords of war
like anngrath
or a brass scorpion
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 02:35
or Smegmus
Or Morty LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:35
the problem is they can't just disallow vehicles because the soulgrinder exists
I think the easiest solution would be to prevent it being used on anything over a certain PL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:36
yeah, a few reviews up now
SS82, winters, and the rest
looks like @acebaur can take more of my money for this codex pool
@CrusherJoe I found you a fix to float in ITC/else
prevent the 2 cp deepstrike from working on anything above 23PL
that cuts out every single chaos LOW without messing with kairos/skarbrand/etc
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 02:47
did you guys see the stratagem that brings back a daemon unit after theyre killed by GKs?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:47
nope
I have not the patience to listen to SS82's waffling for longer than it took me to hear about flamers and screamers :P
painful to watch someone who has no clue review daemons
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 02:48
2CP, doesnt cost reinforcement points, immediately set it back up more than 9" away
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:51
that's hilarious
and very sad, considering GK's already dumpster-level power
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 02:51
sorry, not immediate. end of you next movement
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:53
kind of cool given narrative things
any restriction on it?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 02:53
not allowed to use it on named characters
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:53
because that could be really abusive if it were something like a big screamer pack, or a LoC, or.... a primarch
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 02:53
other than that, its any DAEMON
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:53
wait
any?
that's fucked
"hey the GKs killed my brass scorpion"
"It's baaaaack!"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 02:55
as per usual, FW is the reason we cant have nice things
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:55
starting to think the houserule should be "chaos daemons stratagems do not affect models over 23 power level"
@GenWilhelm not really, the most abusive thing I can think of using that thing on isn't chaos LoW
it's a full size unit of maulerfiends or forgefiends
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 02:56
theyre one per unit
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 02:56
herp
still
big units of basic daemons would be more egregious
because sure a LoW will do a lot of damage, but it'll usually take time to apply it
big block of screamers/flamers/horrors just needs to roll on into something once and it's already good, if it didn't make its points the first time round
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 02:59
really? you reckon a block of daemons is better than a brass scorp?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 03:00
vs gks? maybe. the things you'd want a brass scorpion to deal with generally aren't taken by GKs, and they can usually outrun you via gate, and most vehicles are flying
so probably more value in max units of screamers/flamers
for wound saturation vs terminator/dreadknight or just assaulting with screamers now that they're decent in CC
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 03:02
have you seen the scorps weapons? almost seems like it's deliberately designed to kill termies and medium vehicles
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 03:03
I'll admit I haven't checked for a bit, mostly because my attention has been on the more practical units while planning my descent into chaos marines
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 03:03
hehe, fair enough :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 03:03
figuring out what my 30k stuff qualifies as
I think the most inspired ideas so far are using a volkite tac support section as noise boys
and breachers with a different sergeant model as rubrics
(all is dust behaves very similarly to the effects of a breacher shield in HH)
the look/theme I'm going for with them is "the old wargear was better than your new toys"
with a hint of extra chaos kick in them
so mostly Mk III/IV with smattering of VI in unit sergeants
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 03:06
oooh, those are actually both good fits. thats quite clever :D
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 03:09
yeah, I'm probably going to get a couple of the Kalibrax autocannons to run as havoc ACs or as soulreapers
it's especially fitting considering I'm probably going to run my forge lord conversion as zhufor in a separate detachment (main trait being used would be AL or renegades)
since zhufor is the only character with a statline that nicely mimics cataphractii + servo arms and a sword
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 03:32
Yeah that's the thing with WintersSEO
His voice goes from "eh, it's okay" to "wow this is getting annoying" to "SHOVE A DICK IN HIS MOUTH TO SHUT HIM UP" in an amazingly short period of time
Wow
Okay that was a bit much -- I apologize for my outburst.
Obviously I'm cranky and I don't know why
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 03:39
because you are a TO, and are all too aware of the whining that ensues from imperials when chaos gets nice things
tbh primarchs and other things springing out of the warp might help disrupt the gunline meta a little
since now it won't just be tyranids doing 1st turn charge for more than 1 or two units
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 03:46
and that whining perspective comes from a (now former) imperial player
zopha
@zopha
Jan 06 2018 11:05
Custodes and TS codex
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 06 2018 12:12
sounds like they're expanding the TS army list quite a bit then.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 14:57
WalletExistanceFailure.exe
all aboard the chaos train
I love the tzaangor models
and the ability to use them in a TS detach will work nicely
so looks like CSM/daemons/TS are my next project for the forseeable future, then golden bananas for my imperial element
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 15:17
I have...mixed feelings about the banana hammock boys
First of all I despise topknots
If you're not a kinder from Dragonlance, step awy from the topknots
In truth I'm not overly fond of big-and-goofy-looking helmets of any kind
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 15:24
I like the custodes models that were in BoP
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 15:25
Well topknots are super-easy to clip right off, too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 15:26
tbh this makes another BoP box even more tantalizing, since I can use the iron/tartaros for CSM, the ahriman as a normal sorc, and the custodes/SoS for imperials
@CrusherJoe how much do you think people would flip shit if the FW units were actually in the codex (it heresy and might never happen, but what if?)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 15:27
Actually
"Finally, if you’ve already got a sizeable collection of Forge World Legio Custodes, rules are on their way for you to use your favourite units in Warhammer 40,000, in addition to the huge range of new plastic kits."
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 15:28
Wallet Existance Failure.exe
I'll focus on CSM/daemons for a while until they're in a happy place (and eldar/chaos are both painted)
though I'll have to follow my own rules and sell the deathwatch stuff if I want to do bananas
"not more than 3 armies"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 15:30
GAMES WORKSHOP casts DRAIN WALLET at Level 1,000 on CrusherJoe!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 15:30
what's first on the list?
contemptor-galatus?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 15:30
CrusherJoe resists...weakly (really, it's just for show)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 15:35
Honestly
I really wanna make Slaanesh work
But who is scared of a deep striking Keeper of Secrets?
Um
Noboby
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 06 2018 15:56
I am
when it can remove 2 attacks per model within 6"
and one of those abilities doesn't have a minimum
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 06 2018 15:57
Oh god now I have a reason to get more 30k custodes - FACK
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 17:24
Wait
WUT
Where's that remove attacks with no minimum???
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 17:34
ALSO
Anyone, quick
Is there an Imperial equivalent/similar power/ability to Forewarning?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 06 2018 17:52
Yes, but I forget the name
Auspex Scan, 2 CP's, target any unit arriving as reinforcements within 12", - 1 to hit
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 18:14
Y'all remember when Coteaz's "I've Been Expecting You" and/or "Spy Network" was actually worth taking him for? :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 18:25
So which one of these is better?
Meanwhile 1.jpg
meanwhile2.jpg
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 06 2018 18:51
#3932 is it just me or is the dude a bit confused?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 18:55
yeah i saw that one too. idk what 7th looks like to a new player these days, but i imagine it cant be any clearer than it ever was
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 06 2018 18:55
Which?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 06 2018 18:56
BSData/wh40k-7th-edition#3932
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 06 2018 19:00
Do you mean #2174?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 06 2018 19:13
Do people still play 7th and use battlescribe that much??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 06 2018 19:13
well this dude obviously does
with grand convocation nonetheless
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 06 2018 19:16
Yeah, that is some dedication...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 06 2018 19:20

can someone more polite than I am tell him we do no longer support 7th and ask him to go away?
I already excise restraint in case he pops in here...

we really need an invite-only gitter room where only data authors are where we can shittalk to our hearts content again :P

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 06 2018 19:23
yw
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 06 2018 19:23
that'd be https://gitter.im/BSData probably, it's org-members only and private
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 06 2018 19:24
alright guys, get in there! Spread aaaaall the salt!
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 06 2018 19:24
but we can also arrange a new room for just 40k authors I think ;D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 06 2018 19:25
Keep that guy @Thairne out though
I hear he likes Chaos space marines.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 06 2018 19:27

you know
I will now do what you suspect the least I'd do
I will... now, better sit down.... NOT take your bait.

HA! Take this by taking nothing!

feels good.jpg
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 06 2018 19:36
Oh god, look at all that chaos
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 06 2018 19:36
nope. Not biting
*twitch
Aint gonna rise. Aint gonna.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 06 2018 19:41
LUTHER DID NOTHING WRONG!
ducks
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 06 2018 19:42
The Rock is just a big warp rift into chaos.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 06 2018 20:20
The Fallen are loyalists and DA are really Alpha Legion infiltrators!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 06 2018 22:42
Calm as the sea, a bright blue sky, birds chirping, the sun shining...
a cold beer, A BURNING PILE OF HERETICS.... Ah. Ahem. Excuse me.
I'm still in control. I can do this. Don'T let it get to you... You know the truth!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 06 2018 22:43
@Thairne Agreed on the invite-only room
"An explosion here, a pile of bodies there, but...incidentally, a solution."
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 06 2018 23:51
Oh you know the truth alright
Here it is
Cypher was right.
micdrop