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7th
Jan 2018
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 07 2018 00:28
in the mean time... I thought a little release was required, so I popped one out :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 00:58
well
first game as traitor didn't go so well, but I'm not sure it really counts since it was a 2v2 and I forgot my tools to build the DP I acquired
on the plus side: 3 tzeentch SC, 2 boxes of blues/brims, and a DP acquired
this was, fittingly, the song that came on the store PA as we rolled for first turn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU
lessons learned: take more havocs, less of everything else that isn't plasma havocs
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 02:09
also horrors might be shittier, but they now provide a hilariously effective answer to dark reapers:
tekton
@tekton
Jan 07 2018 02:09
Oh look, reasons to buy that Legio stuff I'd been wanting, aka an army of Galatus Dreadnoughts
@WindstormSCR that is fitting indeed
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 02:10
"splitting horror bombs are fantastic for dealing with dark reapers, since they can wipe the pink horror unit but now have to deal with double the number of blues, and when adding blues you can add them to the front of the unit and slowly march the blob closer to the reapers for an easy charge the more casualties they create with forewarned. "
you don't forewarned? you get shot/charged. you do forwarned? still getting charged, possibly more reliably
horrors are now the problem that just won't go away if you invest in full split
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 02:56
Anyone have the AoS everchosen book in pdf?
Or for that matter any of the other AoS books
Also what is the group opinion of the quick build undersize squads?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 03:01
Aka the 3 man reivers, etc
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 07 2018 03:55
Yes horrors are the gift that just keeps on giving
and giving
and giving
and making people rage-quit
and scream for blood
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 04:00
@CrusherJoe the only unit they can really do that to is dark reapers and only because forewarned is OP (I'm not even going to defend it, it should never have hit print as written)
any other unit they'd just sit there and fail charge and get shot to fuck
it's mildly amusing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 04:06
@/all thoughts on supporting the understrenght/no options rules from quick build boxes?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 04:07
not even sure what the GW stance on those are, since they're just smaller versions of existing codex units and seem to be handled by the "auxiliary support" understrength rules
do they have a different PL on the datasheet?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 04:17
Yes
4pl vs 5
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 04:18
hmm
I'd say just allow the existing units to drop down to whatever the easy-build minimums are, with the attendant changes, and throw an error if it's not in an aux-support force type (if matched is selected)
this is where that narrative/matched flag comes in handy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 04:20
Agreed
Because even on the “hey you can use these in non-sm sm armies” pdf sets min5 for Matched
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 04:21
tbh all units should be able to go understrength and throw an error if not in aux support with matched flag on, but none of us are that masochistic and the code-bloat would be immense
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 04:21
Indeed
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 04:21
so just doing it for the easy-build boxes that are the most likely offenders seems the reasonable middle ground
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 04:22
So now I need 2 more reivers lol
Might as well just buy another quick build box lol
I just picked up the Primaris half of a know no fear box for pennies- guy just wanted rid of it lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 04:27
primaris might be the new hotness model wise, but the game reality leaves a lot to be desired
GW needs to sit back and have a real long think before march about the pricing of elite units in an edition where elite and generalist statlines aren't very important
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 04:33
I just wish the quick build inceptors came with plasma -.-
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 04:34
I'd have liked them more if the flight stands for them weren't so garbage
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 04:36
True
I’m just going to bend them stems out of rodstock I think
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 07 2018 05:05
I do alpha
Well or friendly mega does
Aos pdfs
And yes. Inceptor flight pegs are shit
Whoever designed that should get a swift kick in the rump for way over engineering them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 07 2018 05:11
Also. I’ve found my blood angel list of love. Pure angelic host. Dante. Sanguinor. 2 sanguinary guard. 2 sanguinary priests. 1 sanguinary ancient. Deep strike all. Rolling ball of death.
10 guard. 2 units of 5*
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 05:11
a hole in the backpack bottom and a peg on the end of the curved bit would have solved 99% of the 'inceptors fly drunk' problem
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 07 2018 05:11
Yes
Not that dumb shit curved rest.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 05:15
I did have the joy of watching a total stranger walk into the shop today, looking for a powerlevel game while pulling out bobby G and custodes
and a levi dread
the local Death guard player said "Sure!" and then summoned about double his PL in nurgle daemons
it was glorious to watch the blood drain from the guy's face when the case with all the daemons was unearthed
I don't mind PL in some cases, but there are those who abuse it :(
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 06:12
@Kohato half needs to start on the table
Unless you’re talking open
Cause for Matched that’s not great
I’m running a DCo/Sang Guard list and finding that Sang Guard with relic banner last longer, sure; but DCo are better
And even though my DCo have bolters and swords I’m finding the need to add in inceptors or something to fill holes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 06:51
@/all mostly an issue for @ilaunchbury but looks like the daemons codex will ad a (relatively) new wrinkle for us, units with a different name in codex from index, even though they're the same unit/rules for the most part. not normally something I speak much about, but as someone who does usability/UI stuff for a living I think it might be worth tagging the older index entries that have been renamed, since by strict RAW the index version can still be used, as the data sheet is not superseded
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 07 2018 07:01
Already had that with Daemon Prince Vs Daemon Prince of Nurgle in DG Codex. Currently, both exist in the catalogue.
Imo, the intention is that the DPoN is the only type of DP a DG army can take, but people want access to Dark Hereticus powers in a DG only army and can use the Index DP to get that.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 07:03
also @ilaunchbury in reference to #1838 the Chaos Hellwright, and Chaos Hellwright on Dark Abeyant can have the <legion> keyword and thus can be given legion/CSW WL traits if they do so
replaces the normal Dark Mechanicus keyword, so probably doesn't need changed in the separate cat, but should get changed in the CSM one
figured I'd let you know since it looks like an easy fix rather than open another BR
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 07 2018 07:04
I think they're in the FW cat, which I haven't done yet.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 07:05
ah
I ran zhufor today with my servo-harness/cataphractii legion forgelord as a stand in
he's a beast
I almost agree with the DPoN thing, but units based on model is a fresh kind of hell I don't want to descend into
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 07 2018 12:11
Oh half does. 2 predators 2 techmaribes and 15 scouts
Also. Per the designer notes. Models with rules in cod exes use those.
Nothing said about names.
Does the model have codex rules? Use those.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 07 2018 13:35
Amen, @Kohato
It's time to put the brakes on that particular bullshit train
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 14:15
Problem is where do you go when multiple models exist, as was the case with DPoN (the nurgle dp is finecrap, but it does exist)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 07 2018 14:42
@Kohato im glad somebody else sees that. but people will argue anything if it means they get to run cheese
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 07 2018 14:42
Well you know what I always say
Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke -- and joke 'em if they can't take a fuck
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 07 2018 14:46
@Kohato ok slightly less concerned about that list now lol

+++ 8e - BA Bat (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) +++

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) ++

  • HQ +

Chief Librarian Mephiston

Primaris Lieutenants
Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword

The Sanguinor

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) ++

  • HQ +

Captain: 5. Gift of Foresight, Inferno pistol, Jump Pack, Relic blade, The Angel's Wing (replaces jump pack), Warlord

  • Elites +

Death Company: Jump Pack
Death Company Marine: Thunder hammer
Death Company Marine: Chainsword, Inferno pistol
Death Company Marine: Chainsword, Inferno pistol
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword

Sanguinary Ancient: Death mask, Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol, Standard of Sacrifice

Sanguinary Guard: Death mask
Sanguinary Guard: Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol
Sanguinary Guard: Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol
Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
Sanguinary Guard: Plasma pistol, Power fist

Sanguinary Guard: Death mask
Sanguinary Guard: Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol
Sanguinary Guard: Encarmine sword, Inferno pistol
Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
Sanguinary Guard: Plasma pistol, Power fist

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) ++

  • HQ +

Lemartes

Sanguinary Priest: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Jump Pack

  • Troops +

Intercessor Squad
4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt rifle
Intercessor Sergeant: Bolt rifle, Chainsword

Scout Squad
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Heavy bolter
Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Boltgun
Scout: Heavy bolter
Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

  • Elites +

Primaris Ancient

  • Fast Attack +

Inceptor Squad: 2x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant
Two assault bolters: 2x Assault bolter

  • Heavy Support +

Hellblaster Squad: Assault plasma incinerator, 4x Hellblaster
Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol

++ Total: [116 PL, 1995pts] ++

My newest 2k list - just got some Primaris stuff so kinda want to try it out lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 07 2018 18:45
I tried a bit of primaris and was just unimpressed. BA traits and toys work so well with DC and Angels. So ... Go go angel deathball.
And they may argue, but then we simply post the picture flowchart and close the issue.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 07 2018 20:47
@Kohato I'm not much invested in it, but I think if we go down that road we should be careful that any renamed units don't invalidate legacy models (since this seems to be GW's middle finger to the 'index options' problem.)