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Jan 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 2018 01:24
@ilaunchbury at the current point is there a major reason to keep FW Heretic Astartes and CSM separate?
Seems like it just makes extra effort since it's only used with CSM
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 17 2018 02:07
Is it?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 2018 02:07
yeah, the daemons can't be used with CD because they don't have daemon as faction but generic
Adam Whitehurst
@nairul
Jan 17 2018 05:24
Just submitted a big issue for Imperium - Grey Knights
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 07:14
@WindstormSCR, the reason is because I don't want to triplicate all the units. CSM, DG and TS can take the majority of them. @Jonskichov has said he's going to try to implement inheritance/import for 2.02 which would sort it.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 2018 07:14
ah, fair
though TS and DG have a restricted list which makes things odd
I'm not a fan of DG and nurgle in general so I pretty much forgot about them
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 07:16
Only about 4 or 5 units though.
@nairul, we shall summon @tekton to deal with it.
Adam Whitehurst
@nairul
Jan 17 2018 07:42
Thanks.
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 09:04
@WindstormSCR The FW Daemons can be used with Chaos Daemons, they had the faction keyword errata'd in.
Page 50 – Mamon Transfigured, Faction Keywords
Change this datasheet’s Faction Keywords line to read:
‘Chaos, Heretic Astartes, Daemon, Death Guard,
The Tainted’
Pages 45-56 – Faction Keywords
Add ‘Daemon’ to all these units’ Faction Keywords line
(and delete it from their Keyword line).
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 09:10
Forgot Mamon had DEATH GUARD, I should probably copy him into the DG cat.
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 09:14
they added legion keywords to most of the god specific duees
dudes^
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 09:16
All the non-Daemon HQs are fine. I recently moved them into their "correct" catalogue so I didn't have to duplicate WL traits work. I just forgot about Mamon.
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 09:21
ah
i bought the Mamon model the other day... just cos; prolly wont use him much lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 10:22
@CrusherJoe, I think I've fixed #2211 without breaking existing lists too much. It'll only get upset if you have a plasma pistol Hunter with a chainsword. The rest was just playing with constraints and modifiers.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 11:54
Excited to see tomorrow's battle on Warhammer TV. Thousands Sons vs Custodes, using their new codexes.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 17 2018 12:24
Noice
When’s that game on?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 2018 12:29
As a gaming question, where do I find the matched play rules for how much of your army has to start on the battlefield? Is it but number of units or points value?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 17 2018 12:39
Number of units
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 12:47
thursday 6pm utc is kickoff
@FarseerVeraenthis p215
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 2018 13:00
Fab, ta :smile: I'm playing a friend who wants some tournament practice, he's playing Guard so I'm going Iyanden with some Web way portal / strike from the shadows cheese but I don't want to instantly lose...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 13:01
sudden death is on the same page ^^
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 13:03
I can't remember whether units inside transports count as being on the table or not.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 13:04
RAW, they dont. but i think most people play that they do
for the purposes of reserves, that is
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 13:05
Not sure that's right. Units in Tactical Reserve explicitly don't count. Units in Transports aren't in reserve
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 2018 13:07
Yeah, it's 1k points, so I'm just bringing a vanguard detachment including banshees, a full size squad of wraithguard, and some scorpions with a spiritseer with quicken plus a fire prism, a wraithlord and either Jain Zar or a squad of guardians and a squad of rangers depending on the mission.
Going for Web way strike with the wraiths and banshees to take out his back field tanks and close on the squishy bits
This is basically the models I have built and to hand...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 13:17
Jain Zar is nice, especially if you can get close enough to Disarm any high AP weapons
Teaming her up with a Solitaire is especially fun.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 14:12
Another day, another set of questions sent to 40K FAQS.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 14:14
did they give us any time frame to expect the next big FAQ, or were they as vague as usual?
And Codex FAQs within a couple of weeks of release
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 14:17
ah yeah, there it is.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 14:35
@FarseerVeraenthis might as well go Alaitoc
@ilaunchbury did you already merge the changes for GH?
I'm checking it out and it seems solid
For #2211
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 14:38
looks like its on a branch
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 14:38
Yeah that's why I was asking :)(
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 14:39
ah right. in that case, no it hasnt been merged
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 14:50
No, didn't merge it yet.
I just removed the chainsword selection from the plasma pistol dude, as he was already included in the main selection and made it so it will adjust correctly if you add a WGPL.
and took out the GHPL from the calc as well.
I also made it so it'll error if you put too many models in the unit, which it didn't before, so you could accidentally go over the limit if you added special weapons.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 14:55
Yeah man I like it
:shipit:
Or
:mergeit:
Whatever :)
....can someone please explain to me how a mouse in a fedora represents shipping a release of software...or...shipping anything, for that matter?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 15:01
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 15:33
Ha!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 17 2018 15:54
For fucks sake... I swear, as soon as I stopped waiting a few days to see if a new slew of bugs pop up and fix things, one comes in and reports another one. Just to spite me.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 15:58
Bug reportin', they hatin'
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 2018 16:09
@CrusherJoe I could go alaitoc, but originally I had Yriel and a squad of wraith blades, and I love Iyanden...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 16:10
Also, Shining Spears are a thing now, evidently
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 2018 16:10
I didn't appreciate just how many components there are to build a wraith blade... So they aren't ready :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 16:10
(Not that I need to tell you this...)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 2018 16:10
Hehehe! I did refrain from including a squad of Dark Reapers
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 16:20
Just going through "Assumed Amendments". Is there any other reference than Imperium 1 for Fortifications?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 16:20
imperium 2
and now chapter approved
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 16:22
ok
Skyclaws never did get an errata to say that they actually have Jump Packs :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 16:26
huh, they have the rules and keyword for it
i guess it doesnt make a difference, since jump packs dont have a direct wargear cost
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 16:35
yeah, looks like the twin icarus lascannon was never fixed either
that must mean it was intended! /s
tekton
@tekton
Jan 17 2018 19:27
Welcome back @nairul ;) Looking to see why some of those regressed, I'll get to it later today PST. Thanks for the tag @ilaunchbury it helped set off like three things to remind me to check (stupid busy weeks and hospital visits)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 19:27
nw,
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 2018 20:28
Might be of interest to some
I got anydice to correctly model CP rerolls for 2d6 and 3d6
under a target value
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 20:53
getting a bit sick of building models now, got my 3 beasts of nurgle and a bilepiper early
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 20:59
Just had a game, I made a DG Brigade at 2k points (so 12 cp) with a tallyman, spent loads of CP and still ended up with 9cp left at the end cos i rolled the 7 on the 2d6 on almost every strat i used (1 in 6 chance)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 17 2018 20:59
ive been applying texture paint to bases lol
i know that feel
23 done, 32 left to do >.<
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 21:00
....guardsmen
Still several left to paint
ugh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 17 2018 21:00
Guardsmen are easy though
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 2018 21:36
I was just going through my notes, doing an examination of the reasons why elite armies are so terrible this edition, and i am struck by the fact that the edition's poster child force: primaris marines. Are objectively some of the worst units in the entire game
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 17 2018 21:37
there's an article on 3++ about how a 2000pts Custodes army could have about 19 models in it.
Doesn't matter if you have 2+/3++ you're still going down to weight of fire.
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 21:39
2+/3++/6+++
custodes is already a strong army with just what they had without the dex
at least in a casual gaming setting
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 21:41
unless you're a land raider, the FNP is only in the psychic phase
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 21:42
aye
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 21:43
but yeah, my usual comparison is would i rather have this thing that costs X pts, or X pts of guardsmen?
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 21:43
ive played against them a few times, and seen them in a lot of battle reports
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 21:43
and mathhammer says guardsmen most of the time
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 21:43
and thety never get smashed, and actually win most of the games ive seen
ive beaten them when i played them tho
but it was close and i was running a DG codex list
Adam Whitehurst
@nairul
Jan 17 2018 21:44
@tekton Thanks for seeing to it. I was making some GK mech lists and wondered why the points values seemed... off =)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 21:45
only time ive seen them played was against an all biker orks list. that wasnt a pretty sight
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 2018 21:45
so far, my notes: high T is far less valuable unless its T6 or T8, the thtesholds for reducing infantry weapons to 6s. Good armor saves matter less because points per shot is down, and cover mechanics are less reliable to compensate. Having more wounds is preferable to having better saves, because of flattened wounding and rerolls making large quatities of saves easier to force
similarly, better weapons are usually less important than medium-quality volume of fire
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 21:46
as a DG player, I can tell you that t5 is flipping brill
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 2018 21:48
the only reason i think custodes might work is because the landraider has an invuln to mitigate high damage weapons, and the T5/2++/4++ will make multidamage weapons connect less often on infantry
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 21:49
aye
well like i said, they're strong in practice already, and the dex wont make them worse
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 2018 21:49
ex: landraider achilles actually survives, regular landraiders just go pop
i do think that custodes will have to be careful not to take more than one landraider and deepstrike as much as possible to be effective
i suspect we won't see too many biker guys
Unless they have some way of securing a T1 charge
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 21:55
you can DS 1 or 2 units via cp
1cp for 1, 3cp for 2
Building a beast of nurgle at the mo and the thing is tiny, i dont understand the £25 price
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 17 2018 21:56
God I might have to put more gold on my LRs
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 21:57
seen the landraiders ignore negative hit modifiers strat?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 17 2018 21:58
yeah, if you have more than one and they're within 6" of each other
tekton
@tekton
Jan 17 2018 21:59
Hopefully they have just enough firepower to be competitive and fun...because I didn't already play a low enough model count army.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 17 2018 22:06
It’s only godhammers, right?
I have 2, but one right now is a redeemer/crusader; might have to get lascannons for it anyway so I can use it in 30k
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 22:15
Dem jetbikes do
Damn dey seccy
okay enough of that
They look sexy
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 2018 22:15
BTW, my army list I posted earlier tabled my opponent in turn 4. He brought 6 tanks Marbo and a command squad he forgot about until we were packing up. My spiritseer killed Marbo in combat after surviving his nasty pistol and his charge...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 22:15
Wait
He had 6 tanks he forgot about?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 2018 22:16
No, no, no, he forgot about the command squad
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 22:16
I was about to say
All my tanks have names and special little places in my heart and in my Battlefoam
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 2018 22:17
It was 1k points, his army was 5 Russ, a chimera and marbo
Wraithguard + webway strike = dead tanks
Charging multiple tanks with banshees wrecks their firing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 17 2018 22:18
Yes. Yes it does.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 17 2018 22:18
And fire prism double firing is heavy
2D3 focused fire strength 9 with - lots AP and D3 damage
We played big guns never tire, I think the final total was 15 to 2 on VP's
In other news, what's wrong with primaris marines now?
Instead of typing all that again
basically they're too expensive, and so is everything else
so GW needs to bump the price on units that are forming the 'floor'
cultists, guardsmen
horrors post-nerf are fine, and along with guardians represent a decent "sweet spot" for massed infantry
Because right now the pts/wound is so low you might as well not bother shooting them, even heavy flamers are garbage for it
tekton
@tekton
Jan 17 2018 22:51
That's about what we were finding in our games, but it takes a bit of "critical mass" for the infantry to get to that point
James
@skonk
Jan 17 2018 23:16
1 beast of nurgle done. nice model, shame all 3 will look almost identical though. can't make myself accept that these are worth the pennies.
ooh.. new Andrew W.K single :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 2018 23:42
tekton
@tekton
Jan 17 2018 23:56
@WindstormSCR yeah, that looks closer, but could use more really :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 17 2018 23:57
I could, the annihilator is mostly because the friend I made the list for loves his
tekton
@tekton
Jan 17 2018 23:57
heh
someone had a thing with two brigades of troops and a spearhead; the models barely fit in the deployment zone, but that critical mass certainly was critical against who they played