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18th
Jan 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 00:00
this build is mostly leveraging orders for max effect, properly deployed it can order 9 out of 10 squads
and creed is all but snipe-immune, since between the ogryn and kell has ~14 wounds +/- 3 because of effect roll
split into two waves, one stationary wrap for the tanks, one at deployment edge, advance until destroyed or objectives captured
tekton
@tekton
Jan 18 2018 00:01
that is pretty good and great for staying alive and tabling opponents
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 00:02
math says it should even survive a bloodletter bomb
actually two of them
tekton
@tekton
Jan 18 2018 00:02
awesome
now that i'm out of the hospital i'm trying to get back in to playing and building- finally have a spot in the new house to really leave projects out and get them done, too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 00:03
you literally line your deployment edge with guys and make sure that they're not within pile-in/consolidate range of secondary line
russes and hellhound make short work of the 'letters
anything bigger has smaller model counts and is even more sad
conquerors are gold because they can take pask orders, and co-ax means they can willingly reroll "successes that would fail with modifiers"
since it's "May reroll any hits"
only 5s actually hit? cool, reroll anything below by choice
makes negative hit mods sting considerably less
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 00:06
@WindstormSCR holy crap
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 00:06
if you wanted to add more cheese to it, just strip out the annihilator, upgrade infantry to lascannons, remove TPE and add another squad
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 00:06
I heartily approve of that Guard list
Two thumbs up
It's properly filthy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 00:06
I may not play IG or imperial much anymore, but I can cook the soup
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 00:08
That's quality soup there sir
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 00:13
the scarier version:
10 lascannon IFS, 9 GLs, and 3 mortar HWS
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 00:14
Needz moar Manticore
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 00:14
eh
basilisks are more reliable, but you could sub them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 00:16
That hasn't been my experience -- Mantis have been top performers every game
Basis...not so much
Maybe it's just me?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 00:19
I've only played against them
might be the spotter strat I think
I know that gets used every time
yeah, that's the one
full hit rerolls on top of a more reliable (if lower maximum) hit number works wonders
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 18 2018 01:28
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA!v1pxhIQQ our lovely friend has full scans of chaos daemons up btw
pdf and epub
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 12:46
So, I had a happy little accident this past week ... with my Ravens being pretty mediocre I thought I'd start building a small force of something new and grabbed a SC Nids' box (Broodlord, Trygon and some Genestealers) the BL was damaged so I emailed GW for a replace and they sent me a whole new SC box! ... wow, colour me impressed! anyway, got 32 total stealers now and 2 of each BL's and Trygon (or Mawlocs or primes) ... so that all adds up to about 1200 points, wonder what to get next and how to build the Trygons... any thoughts
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 12:49
say what you like about GW, but their customer service is pretty top notch :D
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 12:50
no kidding! ... the spike on his nose was snapped off and I couldn't find it ... thought I'd get half a sprue with a new head ... nope ... here have $100 worth of new box
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 12:54
had a similar experience back in the day, but not quite to the same extent. bought a ravener, took it home to assemble, found out it had two sets of left arms, and no right arms. took it back to the store the next week, manager just handed me a new one off the rail without a question :)
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 12:55
I've had so much free stuff from GW and Forgeworld...
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 18 2018 13:17
makes me almost sad to say everything i've had from gw has been complete =)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 13:20
We joke that a mate of mine has more shares in FW than GW do, the amount of complaints he gets free stuff for ... so many bent or badly moulded pieces
but then ... I can't afford FW in the first place to complain about .. so there's that
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 13:42
For me it's been a combo of a couple of packages not showing up, them sending out replacements and then weeks later the original actually turning up....
i had one where I'd bought 6 outride bikes and a dread claw drop pod. Had some issues with the pod and they said they'd send a new kit out and instead they just resent the entire order (with the 6 bikes)
A few FW models where they had some miscast parts and they sent an entire kit as a replacement and then i fixed as much as i could the original
and then a while back GW had some issue with their computers and i think they lost track of what orders had been sent, and to be safe just sent them all again so a lot of people got duplicates
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 13:44
yeah, that's what I'm doing that Broodlord is getting a facial reconstruction
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 18 2018 13:45
how about trying to melt it (carefully) with a lighter and paint this inside yellowy red, battle damage melta blast
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 13:49
but ... but ... he's too pretty to be melted ... I will see how my greenstuffing goes before I break out the acetylene torch on him and make him talk
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:17
@CrusherJoe please fix #1840 and #2263 too please
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 15:23
I'll put a Brood Brothers <REGIMENT> in there
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 15:33
oooh, that unleash the lions stratagem
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:33
that is really cool
i also see no need to get aquillon terminators now, which i am ok with lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 15:39
Dem Vexhilla standards tho
Wooooo
With Celestine that would give your average Guardsman a 4++ lolololol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 15:40
mobile void shield generator? dont mind if i do
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 15:40
Right?
Mobile shield generator along with -1 to hit generator, sure why not?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:41
whelp looks like my shield captain is going to become a vexhilla perminantly lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 15:42
Yeah those banners are ALL GOOD
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 15:42
are those banners 1 per army now?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 15:43
It only says Vexhilus Praetors are Elites
It doesn't say they are Unique
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:43
yeah
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 15:43
Think its per Detachment actually
in the index anyway
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:43
so you can probably have 1 of each
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 15:43
Though I would assume the banners themselves are
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:44
^this
hmmm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 15:44
is it not a character, like a space marine ancient?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 15:44
The index, which only has 1 infantry unit for Custodes obviously... says only 1 dude per detachment can take a banner
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:45
get another custodians box, or reconvert 2 sagittarum to vexilla?
hmm
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 15:45
I would imagine the new unit (Vexhilus Praetor) is a character, like the Ancient is
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:46
^this
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 15:46
they dropped the min unit sizes down to 3 didnt they
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:46
yup
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 15:46
and every model pack has the stuff to build 2 different character types from that pack
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:46
yup
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 15:46
so each 5 model pack can be 3 dudes + 2 different characters
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:46
correct
which is why i doubt they’ll limit the vexilla dude
the vexilla itself though, sure
i’m just glad i don’t have to magnetise up my custodians anymore
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 15:48
id assume the existing units will go down in cost too
since thats been the trend in every codex so far
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:48
cause i was getting tired of having to swap my hets between guardians and sentinels for 40k
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 15:49
i wont be buying any of these myself but im interested to see how they turn out
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 15:50
So many topknots to clip off though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 15:50
I want a squad of bikes, the new captain, and a squad of terms.
i’ll probably get a squad of wardens too; replace the current hets with them.
hmm there we go that gets me my other 2 vexes without needing to deconvert sags
why the fack does it autoplay....
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 16:08
im glad i have my machine muted :P
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:09
hour of talking about fluff, then an hour of talking about the custodes rules, then a game of ts vs custodes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 16:10
I wonder if this is why FW hasnt released any other custodian infantry
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:11
GW models tend to be released 3 years-ish after they first create them so FW will have known these were coming for ages
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 16:11
exactly
@skonk are you watching the comments?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:13
yeh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 16:13
what was madcowcrazy’s question that was confired as not happening at open days?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:14
He's said this several times...
MadCowCrazy wonders if Sisters of Silence are in the Custards codex?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 16:14
ah
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:14
anyone have the link to hand for anon bug reports ?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:14
MadCowCrazy so will Sisters of Silence be in the Sisters of Battle codex or what's up?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 16:14
i missed it hence the ask lol
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:14
submitting them
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:14
yeh for Q&A stuff they should overlay the chat onto the video
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 16:15
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:16
this first session is a fluff one so he'l only ask questions related to that for the most part
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 16:16
i need to watch twitch on the ipad lol
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:16
second session is the rules and the last few of these they have done, they actually showed a lot more of the rules info than i would have expected
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 16:16
video feed keeps freezing up on me.
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:16
yeh mine has a few times
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:17
@GenWilhelm Thanks... just getting folks on Reddit to STFU about complaining on points costs and general stuff on how manual is better than BS
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:17
People are idiots
nothing is perfect, so people should, IMO, double check their lists at least once with the books..... but theres no way manually writing lists will produce less errors than something used by thousands of people that has a bug reporting system to get issues solved
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:19
People are idiots QFT
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:19
and considering some of the bug reports that get posted, its pretty clean that a huge number of people still dont understand how 8th edition list building works
and its shocking how many people apparently dont know Chapter Approved is a thing
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:19
and yet here I am arguing with said idiots on the internet ... oh well, home time soon and I can go build another load of stealers
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:22
With GW making Custodes a full army, i wonder what implications that has to the story. If they are leaving the palace on mass does that mean they are no longer needed there? if thats so then why not? (i.e. is the emperor still sat there)
id ask if i subscribed... but i dont
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:24
I think I saw a spoiler alert from one of the recent books that they were given the command to go out among the stars and have an impact on events rather than just sitting in the palace oiling their abs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 16:24
aroused snickering
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:24
whether that's as detachments to other SM forces or as a whole singular army I dunno
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:25
oh he's talking about that now
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:25
but it's assumed that given the continental plate size of the palace that they are at least chapter if not legion strength
nice .. I'm at work so no twatch
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 16:26
hey, not all of them were sat around the palace. a couple of them made it to the battle of luna!
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:26
ok so its ambiguous . girlyman went in and "spoke" to the emp but behind closed doors and GW never said what got said but ladyboy came out and said right... get yer boots on we're off on a trip
i reckon he shanked the emperor :)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:27
and Cypher saw him do it .. they crossed looks and Cypher bottled it
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:27
heh
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:27
"I'm not taking another fall Bobby, Bye!"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 16:28
is this before or after the custodes threw him in prison?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:28
ya think a Fallen codex where they are still both Chaos and Imperium but you have to pick a side when you make your list could be a thing?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 18 2018 16:29
naah ... too much profit in the mystery
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 16:32
turning it off now to head home then i'll watch it while i build some models
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 16:33
I'm so tempted to ask the question: "Will Kitten gets special rules as a character?"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 16:40
Lol
Constantin Valdor confirmed still alive
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 16:41
A gaggle of Null Maidens are able to push back a warp storm
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 17:09
lmao i got people copy-pasting my question in the twitch chat lol
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 17:10
whats the q?
switching comp so not got it open yet
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 17:11
Fw rules lol
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 17:11
ah
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 17:12
ive seen 3 other people post the exact same question now lol
as in my exact wording lol
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 17:12
heh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 17:12
obviously i’m alphalas_ over there lol
lists
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 18:16
new Custodes vs new 1K Sons
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:16
looks like the marines and terminators have spells other than smite
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 18:21
What's "Infernal Gateway"?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 18:22
it's a tzeentch daemon power
basically AoE smite
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:27
i predict thousand sons getting smashed
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 18:28
I love how they’re shilling the free amazon subscription lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 18:28
Hey it's how I'm subscribed
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:28
aye lol
i use mine on smaller painting streams
i try to find one with really low viewers and throw them the sub
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 18:29
It’s how I’m subbed too
It’s just funny they’re shilling for AMAZON lol
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:32
deepstriking tzangors CONFIRMED
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 18:34
Mmmhm
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:35
Someone ask in chat if the Rubric and Scarab Occult sorcs get access to a spell other than smite
ta :)
thats a big deal
cos the smite changes would otherwise have fecked TS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 18 2018 18:38
"Access to a spell of their own"
"Lots and Lots of other things"
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:38
lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 18 2018 18:39
Those bikes better be somewhat expensive points wise.
That's durable as all fuck for something with obsec.
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:40
is that a mirror built into the votex beasts base? like.. under the beast
hmm, thats not bad. +6 inch to spell range
saw that re-roll removal coming
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 18:49
What re-roll removal?
I ducked off for a moment
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:49
magnus lost his rerolled saves of 1
now they didnt say if thats the entire aura gone....
or if they changed it to infantry only or something
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe dances around and throws some confetti :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 18:50
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD
Finally...that was TOO much
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:51
yeh, all those OP thousand sons lists that were dominating the events scene...
oh wait
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 18:52
the other reason I am enjoying CSM: death hex
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 18:52
Have you ever had to play against Magnus?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:52
i have
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 18:52
Or, even worse, Magnus + Morty?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 18:52
yes, and it has been unpleasant every time
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:52
i removed his inv saved and killed him on turn 1
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 18:53
@skonk people like you and me plan for these things, most people don't
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 18:53
I was playing a Guilliman +3 Devs and Guard so I shot them both to death
But that was only because Magnus failed to get the 3++ power off
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:53
id rather play against either of the daemon primarchs than i would girlyman
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 18:54
Correction, shot Morty down to 4 wounds so he slinked off and hid
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:54
at least you can target the daemons
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 18:54
There's a reason my Guilliman is back in the Battlefoam
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 18:56
id lol if those tzangors somehow killed that landraider
i think less custodes will die to all these combats than people think
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 19:02
my real question is can I go full tzaangor army :P
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 19:03
i dont think any of of their characters are hq'd
hq's
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 19:03
not even the shaman?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 19:03
they're elites
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 19:03
I figured the enlightened would be elites
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 19:03
fast attack i think
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 19:04
yup
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 19:08
eh, 1 sorc on disc and some gors
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 19:14
wait
wait
skyfires are 40k?
yaaaaas
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 19:15
?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 19:15
what does the fatecaster bow do?

Fast Attack

9x Tzaangor Enlightened
– 9x fatecaster greatbows

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 19:16
auto-wound on a hit roll of 6+
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 18 2018 19:24
The warscroll for the vortex beast is interesting reading if you convert it to 40k rules
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 19:36
Had to go get a munchkin; how goes the game so far?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 19:37
custodes rolled really badly t1
maggy nearly dead though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 19:37
Yeah I saw that much - I left middle of TSons T1
Noice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 19:42
Yeah I keep going back and forth with work
What does the Dark Matter Crystal do?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 18 2018 19:43
stuff
i think
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 19:43
Sure
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 20:07
Goddamnit people read the rulebook
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 20:10
"Once more, they will replenish themselves...cheat death again."
"The power of their source?"
"THE CRYSTAL....THE CRYSTAL."
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 20:14
No I was bitching about #2272
God damn non-reading punks
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 20:22
Holy shit the custodes are winning?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 20:22
there was never any doubt
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 18 2018 20:22
There’s only 2 squads left and a LR but still
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 20:23
the LR has a full squad of dudes where just 1 of those dudes could prolly wipe most single units out on its own
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 18 2018 20:24
Man the Dark Matter Crystal just lets you bounce around anywhere huh?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 20:26
once per game
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 20:34
all the disc guys are dead this turn i reckon
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 23:10
they give a profile on those bows?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 23:10
Nah
they kept actual info about TS stuff to a minimum
we just know they auto wound on a hit roll of a 6+
so with Prescience that could be quite tasty
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 23:13
I'm just happy because skyfires are a big deal for AoS Disciples, and now they're 40k usable as well
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 23:13
i wish those more human looking dudes were too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 23:13
kairics?
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 23:13
cos then that big tzangor box they sell would all be usable
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 23:14
can always use kairics as cultists with BAWs
James
@skonk
Jan 18 2018 23:14
yeh true
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 18 2018 23:39
only reason I might do that is I'm trying to build up AoS disciples to go with my daemons
for cultists I'm trying to keep to my stormtroopers to keep up the 'darkmech and old wargear' theme