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22nd
Jan 2018
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 22 2018 10:34
Guys, can someone take care of AdMech and DA for a week or two?
I'm having a appointment with my therapist and my still-gf, but I expect that to change soon-ish. I suspect I won't have the mental energy to fix bugs for a while, so I think I'll have to pull a Cartag and sign off for a little time... I'm sorry to leave you hanging like that, even for a short while :/
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 22 2018 10:36
We got you @Thairne
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 22 2018 10:40
well maybe, maybe a miracle happens and she suddenly starts to develop feelings OR she finally sees reason and comprehends that this relationship aint working out. In that case, all is well and the sabbatical won't be necessary. Hah.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 10:48
that sounds really rough, man. take all the time you need; we'll be here whenever you're ready
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 22 2018 10:51
Yeah, don't worry about it, we've got it all under control. Take it easy and look after yourself :+1:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 10:51
Take care, buddy. We'll keep on top of things until you get back.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 22 2018 10:52
I swear, if I come back and my cats are ruined I'll google/hack your IRL adresses and send glitterbombs to y'all! :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 22 2018 10:53
I'm sure if that would be bad, or awesome... But we'll just be careful and try not to completely rewrite them while you're away...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 10:58
:mailbox_with_mail: :bomb: :tada:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 22 2018 11:15
I’d personally prefer a bag of gummy dicks lol
Yeah it’s a bag of dicks but I can eat it and it’s not hobby herpes
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 11:18
:D
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 11:41
Can someone look at #2296 and check that this guy is wrong.
@acebaur, if he's around.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 22 2018 11:48
eagh, another order of operations problem, I don't think we have a clear answer on this but i agree with your conclusion, replacements should only happen once
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 12:02
yeah, it's quite hazy. it basically comes down to whether or not you can replace weapons you've taken from another option
which i believe is the case, otherwise why would they have errata'd it?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 22 2018 12:13
Agreed. Also Heavy Weapons are 2h. No room for a storm shield.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 22 2018 12:29
Without having looked at the FAQ or CA yet I'd say no you can't have a ss and a heavy
There is no order of operations in 40k
2h hasn't been a thing in a long time time though
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 12:32
I'm pretty sure I saw something somewhere that said you can't replace items twice.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 22 2018 12:48
We need to check everything carefully, because it is something that was possible in 7th, for Deathwatch because #awesomemarines, and I did read somewhere someone saying after the FAQ that HW & SS was back on the menu but who knows..
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 12:50
@ilaunchbury you were correct in the first part of your answer AFAIK, he trades in a bolter for TH/SS no longer has a bolter to trade in for heavy weapon.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 22 2018 12:53
After looking at the FAQ I don't think it's possible. Why else errata it then except to make sure that doesn't happen since a boltgun is an option on the second list. The SS is a weapon in my opinion by virtue of being on that list.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 12:56
oh I see what he's trying to get at ... replace bolter with TH/SS ... then replace TH with heavy weapon while retaining the SS "cause it's not a weapon" .... yeah ... GTFO
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 22 2018 12:56
Can someone please link me the latest faq
Page 173 – Deathwatch Kill Team, Wargear Options
Change the second bullet point to read:
‘• Up to 4 Deathwatch Veterans may each replace all of
their weapons with frag grenades, krak grenades and
an item from the Deathwatch Heavy Weapons list.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 12:59
what qualifies it as a weapon?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 12:59
Me smacking that dude round the head with a heavy slab of powered adamantium
everything's a weapon
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 22 2018 13:00
its on a list made up entirely of other weapons?
also where does it say it's not a weapon?
to give it an exception to that rule
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 13:01
also the opening paragraph of that whole box :
DEATHWATCH WARGEAR
The Deathwatch favour different weapons to other Space
Marine Chapters.
says weapons right there
Second paragraph in same box
WARGEAR
The profiles for the weapons in these
lists can be found in the appendix
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 22 2018 13:03
if you were meant to be able to take a SS and a heavy it would read more like the veteran entries from C:SM
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 13:05
yeah, i agree that it's probably not intended. i'm just interested to hear your reasoning
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 22 2018 13:05
You're all missing the point, how did he get a storm shield in the first place? By trading his bolter... you can't trade twice, so you can't do it...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 13:05
@FarseerVeraenthis unfortunately the FAQ changes the line from replace bolter to Replace ALL weapons"
so he replaces bolter for weapon + SS
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 13:06
i think he means you cant trade X for Y then Y for Z
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 13:06
then "replaces all weapons"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 22 2018 13:06
Yeah, but, you can't trade twice...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 13:06
why? .. where? .. (Devils advocate)
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 22 2018 13:06
where does it say you can?
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
if the rules don't give you permission to do something you can't
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 13:07
I think a precedent is set in space marines where you can upgrade a marine to a sergeant and then to a super sergeant or summat .. not off top of my head
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 22 2018 13:07
omission is not permission
not anymore
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 22 2018 13:08
How is section about Wargear in Datasheets defined (I'm talking about description of the section in BRB)
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 22 2018 13:08
there are no special sgt upgrades
every squad (except crusaders) just has a Veteran Sgt
@amis92 it doesn't cover that at all
it says nothing about options for a model
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 13:10
then in those cases, I refer to my earlier point in that he is wrong , wrong wrong and should be educated about the head with a heavy lump of adamantium
I happen to have my D&D books in my car today ... if one wants to borrow a DMG for said purpose
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 22 2018 13:12
;D
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 13:14
if in doubt - look to the Codex Brothers !
Codex Astartes states :
TERMINATOR
MELEE WEAPONS
Lightning claw
Power fist
Storm shield
Thunder hammer
HIT HIM HARDER !
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 13:15
and what does the codex name that manoeuvre?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 13:17
The Helbrecht Subterfuge
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 22 2018 13:17
is is the same in index deathwatch tho?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 13:18
nah, its just under a big heading of "DEATHWATCH EQUIPMENT"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 22 2018 13:30
Apropos of nothing, I took my Tyranid start collecting boxes out for a spin versus Chaos Marines yesterday in a sea of grey genestealers and broodlords vs, 1000 pts of cultists, raptors, Kharn and berzerkers and a Defiler ... ended turn 5 with one stealer facing down a defiler with 9 wounds left ..
I am so happy with them ... glad I got em
at least until March when my 'Crons get a codex to play with
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 14:01
@acebaur, as you're around, can you add me onto the list for the 1KSons Codex? If you PM me the details, I'll sort out a transfer for you.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 22 2018 14:11
Sure thing,
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 14:35
i'll be pre-ordering the TS dex so if I get it early like I did the Daemons, I'll stick some photos up.
altho If they do a nice limited edition with "gubbins" I'll be getting that which will delay it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 22 2018 15:16
Daemons DG CSM faq up
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 15:18
Um
Where?
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:19
dont see anything unexpected in the daemons one
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:19
restricted strats to faction daemons and some tweaks
CSM fixed the 2 units that wrongly had daemon as a faction keyword
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 15:21
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I'm not seeing it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 15:22
PERFECT! THANK YOU!!!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 15:23
probably just a caching issue :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 22 2018 15:26
@skonk were you the one arguing DG nurgle daemons needed to be updated?
I think this FAQ puts that to bed since CSM updated horrors and nothing else
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:28
at no point does anyone EVER need to use the daemons data sheets in those books
so its all fucking moot
Page 99 – Spoilpox Scrivener, Abilities, Keep Counting!
Meet your Quota!
Change the second sentence to read:
‘In addition, if you make a hit roll of 7+ for a
Plaguebearer unit within 6" of one or more friendly
models with this ability, you can immediately make
one additional attack at the same target with the same
weapon (these bonus attacks cannot themselves generate
any further attacks).’
how does this differ from the codex?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 22 2018 15:29
Keyword change?
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:29
all caps and bold in both
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it must be different an im just missing what
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 22 2018 15:31
For A PB unit
not “For PB unitS"
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:32
ignore sentence 1
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 15:32
yeah, they added "unit" after PLAGUEBEARER
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:32
that sentence isnt changed, just the second one
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 15:33
so it affects the whole unit, not just the models in range
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:33
ah yeh
i assume the reason they FAQ horrors is to prevent people choosing to use the old... and much better data sheet
since the change to them was a nerf
the other daemons sheet the player has full choice to use them or ignore them and simply take them from the daemons book
sheets^
seems they give not a shit about updated anything where the newer sheet was buffed and only remove the ability to use the older version of nerfed ones
but as i said, there is no circumstance where a player has to use the daemons data sheets from the CSM or DG books
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 15:36
the ones in C:CSM dont have the daemon faction, so you'd lose all your faction bonuses
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:36
they're for summoming
so it wouldnt matter
but when you summon you can just summon them from the daemons codex anyway
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 15:36
ah yeah, summoning is a good point
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:38
i'll revise what i said above to add... that that assumes you actually own the daemons codex :)
if you dont then you would have to use the shite old data sheets
altho they have said you have to use the most recently published points didnt they?
so wouldn't the points from the daemons book be the "correct" ones regardless?
since its a new book
newer^
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 15:40
NOOOOOOOO!!
don't start the "rules from a different codex trump rules in the Codex I'm using" argument
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 22 2018 15:40
Depends on if GW is saying codexes overwrite codexes or not
I hope not
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 15:40
points certainly do. not sure about anything else
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:41
its not about using the rules
pretty sure they have previously stated that you use the most recent points tho
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 22 2018 15:46
does that kill the deepstriking maggy and morty?
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:46
it does
neither of which would have been any issue anyway
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 15:47
Can anyone see a difference between the FAQed change to Daemonic Ritual and the sentence in the Codex?
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:47
deep striking a brass scorpion would have been tho
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 15:47
because I'm struggling to find it.
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:48
was the reinforcements thing already in?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 15:48
yes
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:49
looks the same to me
is there like a minor spelling mistake or something maybe
"is" ?
an more than vs and is more than
yup, they added is
i dont see how that changes the meaning tho
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 15:52
ah, they removed "is"
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:52
yeh sorry was just about to correct myself
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 15:52
yeah, i think its a grammatical fix, rather than a rule change
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:55
interesting that the DG update didn't touch on the last bit of moaning people do about poxwalkers
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 15:57
what moaning is that?
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 15:58
when a poxwalker kills something in combat, or when anything dies (other than a pox walker) within 7 inches of them if you play the strat that does this... you add a poxwalker to the unit
nothing prevents this from taking them above the max unit size
unit size is 10-20, but if a unit of 20 had the strat on them and a unit of 20 cultists got wiped out 7 inches away you now have a unit of 40 poxwalkers
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 15:59
Wow those are some solid FAQs right there
I guess GW has banned crack from at least the FAQ writers' room
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 16:00
I'm glad they answered my "Chanting Horrors" question
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 16:00
Now if only they could do the same in the rules writers' room we'd be golden
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 16:00
they didn't "fix" Virulent Blessing again though.
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 16:00
lol
gogo +1 wound FOREVER!!
i even emailed em about that (same time as the oblits and stuff having the wrong faction keywords... which did get answered)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 16:04
yeah, me too.
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 16:04
nice that the auras still work across factions
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 16:07
Well, that was nice and easy. All done.
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 16:32
Feculent Gnarlmaw's giving +2 save to Oblits is still a thing then
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 16:34
yeah, its only stratagems that got changed (if you already played the keyword changes as RAI)
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 16:35
i would hope most people did
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 16:35
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Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 16:35
tbh, i dont think most people noticed the error
James
@skonk
Jan 22 2018 16:36
you really dont like primarchs do you joe
well, chaos ones
you seem happy enough about the one that doubles the fire power of your army without being targetable by anything other that snipers :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 16:37
My Bobby G has been in the 'foam for months now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 22 2018 16:37
^which i’m proud of him for
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 16:37
And I had to fight a damned deep striking Mortarion over the weekend
It was, in fact, negative fun
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 16:38
he's fun in silly ott lists, but not in anything remotely competitive
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 17:15
So
Does ANYONE ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH have a source for Leman Russ Conqueror turrets?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 22 2018 17:16
rules?
theyre FW arent they?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 17:17
They were, yes
But they OOP
they're
At this point I don't care if they're recast in some remote village using orphan tears as the release agent
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 22 2018 17:40
18 powers is pretty nice. Although I imagine Glamour of Tzeentch will be the preference.
Sounds like Magnus can choose from all 3 disciplines but others get DH and the new one.
I'm also intrigued by the mention of automata...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 17:42
That's Rubric Marines
Isn't it?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 22 2018 17:43
Possibly not
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 17:43
Oh, Dark Mechanicus? Maybe?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 22 2018 17:43
Because TSons had psi-castelax in the heresy
Maybe yes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 17:47
I'll bet it's Rubrics
But it'd be cool if not
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 22 2018 18:03
@CrusherJoe do what I did and just do some conversion work on a regular LRBT turret
converted two for a friend by shortening the barrel for the regular leman russ, and built up a stormbolter mount to the side so the barrel could be swapped for the vanquisher barrel
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 22 2018 20:48
I was thinking about converting a Demolisher cannon...or at least trying it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 22 2018 21:05
you could, the main reason I used the LRBT is that it also has the vanquisher cannon, so you can keep the cannon swap in place and use it as a conq or stygies vanq