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25th
Jan 2018
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 00:01
Also can you implement the new psy guidelines? Aka SSEG, maxY in unit on link?
Trying to think of what else has been bugging me; I think that’s it
OH YEAH
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 00:02
all fixed?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 00:03
No I think I remember what else was bugging me but I’m not sure
Hold on
Haven’t even checked your branch yet lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 00:04
you can always work on that branch yourself
the benefits of no longer working on forks :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 00:05
fair lol
i’ll check and push if it’s good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 00:05
I've pushed to branch everything I touched, so should be able to work on it, the only thing I'll be pushing from here is custodes
yeah, deathwatch definitely get a stay of execution
since I can shovel an entire battalion minus one character into a crusader
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 00:07
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 00:07
das the one
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 00:07
thatr branch is what i’m checking, yes?
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 00:07
you can check out custodes too
though I'm still working on them
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 25 2018 00:13
Ah I gotcha, that makes sense
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 00:29
there
Done - i think
hey @WindstormSCR?
did you sync from master first?
no you didn’t.
damnit
BA is on v36 on master
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 00:44
there we go.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 00:46
I hereby declare all imperium soup that includes new custodes buff stuff to be "Banana Pudding"
HahahahahahaaaaaLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLgasp**chokewheeze
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 00:47
Don’t die old man
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 00:47
I told you the name I came up with Aeldari soup, right? Eldar Queso
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 01:18
K I’m done mucking about I think
Shit I forgot to check reivers -.-
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 01:41
@alphalas it should be?
oh
oh damn
welp
ignore my stuff
i'm going to have to remake the branch
I frogot to do a step because it was an old branch
good news is I have a workaround to retain the custodes stuff
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 01:43
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 01:44
how do you delete a branch?
got it
new rebased branch active
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 01:46
:+1:
can you recheck reivers too por favor?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 01:48
@acebaur I owe you 1 oops and a sorry, my branch was what was fucked
because of when I made it vs published via desktop
reivers fixed, everything else looks fine?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 01:53
new branch is CustodesRel
if you want to check that @alphalas
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 25 2018 02:02
Yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 25 2018 03:11
@flakpanda
Completely off topic but way way up, someone said it was an @flakpanda kind of thing, and I can't read your name as anything other than aflacpanda now.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 06:19
Just to wind back the clock.... I'm catching up... @Kohato tabletop 40k dogfighting game is called Aeronautica Imperialis from Forgeworld , I have only played it a couple of times, but I liked so much I bought the rulebook and two (huge) airforce so I could play when they discontinued it. I need to read the rules and get back into it :smile: it is epic scale but you actually can play it with normal 40k models, you just need a lot of space...!
Also, I have BFG:Armada on my PC, it was ace, and then it just stopped loading... Which seems to be a common problem from the comments on Steam :worried:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 06:22
I enjoyed it, but it grew stale after a while
pretty much became the same basic plays over and over because of the lack of difference in fleets
and glaring balance issues that were never fixed
it could be fucking great with the expanded races and if they actually commit to post-launch balancing
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 06:29
As for the relic/stratagem/psychic power discussion, I think the "write psychic powers here" idea has definite merit and could be used for all of the optional extras that could be picked on a per game basis. If you choose that option you overwrite all other constraints.
And the CAT's should be setup so that there is no default, but there is a validation error to suggest to users that they need to make a decision on when to select those "things"
And leave it to the users to police it
Also because a lot of tournaments I've looked at the rules for seen to state "no battlescribe lists" when talking about list submissions
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 06:50
my personal take, fwiw: I find a lot of people at my local and the other two shops in my 'range' often use the psypower/WLT and relic selections as reminders of components for a particular strategy
they'll build the list around the effects of those things, and thus the reminder is helpful when executing it
or especially coming back to things after a break in time
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 06:53
@WindstormSCR yeah, I don't think I had the opportunity to play it enough for it to get stale... I'd only just unlocked the Eldar fleet and started learning to play with it so... I do wish it would work again, but it is the absolute limit of my system performance so perhaps when I upgrade in the next few months I'll be able to play again
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 06:59
the eldar were fun, my most played fleet, and my choice for pvp
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 07:00
Yeah, I think we can be flexible and provide an either/or solution that allows the user to build their list and play how they want
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 07:00
saim hann eclipse/shadows
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 07:00
(i just want to be able to play the flipping game again at all DAMN IT!! 1!)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 07:07
hmm
trying to figure out what to do about my bananas and how to gain them some CP in a decent fashion and shore up thier shooting weaknesses without resorting to IG
since if I go IG again (I sold everything) I'd want to take the time to find a decent basic guardsman conversion
or go elysian
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 07:16
...and then I remember scions are a thing, and I have old metal kasrkin
banana pudding indeed
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 25 2018 09:42
Shield captain seems to be free PL-wise :o
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 09:44
that's just WIP things :P
the places I've been looking didn't list or speak the PL
should be in th 6-10 range
points are all correct though!
the saddest part about using a tiny IG soup additive: you can spend one of the CP you get from that on a relic, grab kurov's aquila on the tempestor prime, and bank CP all day when your opponent uses thiers
if it ends up working out favorably I'll probably grab some other imperial bits to mix in and scrounge up more metal kasrkin
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 25 2018 09:48
I find you have a very interesting sense of humour xD So sad...!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 09:49
mostly just discontent with obvious rules bias
and gradually realizing all of the biggest holes in the edition
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 25 2018 09:50
Tell me about that. I play GKs, Tau and Necrons. First two are just...
And I just can't force myself to play stupid commander/drone spam. No fun for me there.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 09:51
it's still fun to play, but I'm increasingly concerned that a LOT of the issues some armies have aren't a 'that army has bad rules' problem, as much as they swung the offense/defense pendulum way too hard and far all at once with the edition mechanics changes
and since I play heresy and 40k, that difference is very sharpy contrasted
7th was a heavy defenders game, lots of different stackable ways to reduce damage, and then since all weapons were D:1 it took a lot of any quality of shooting to do anything
8th is very much attacker favored, no multiple saves and static cover, invulns are weaker/capped and on less units (since characters don't embed), cover boosting doesn't exist, and multidamage weapons mean that everything that gets through that weaker reduction likely does decent damage, blanket capping and removal of FnP with the exception of a few things removes that layer of defense as well
so if you look at an attack as a sequence of barriers, not only did they weaken every barrier, they used a bigger bullet
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 09:56
and that's why elite armies like GK are currently fucked
since the points they pay for defensive items are costed like its 7th, the lesser value hasn't been accounted for
the sharpest contrast for me personally is playing heresy Raven Guard vs 40k. 3+ cover with an FnP is an amazing difference vs '-1 to hit'
anyway, I should have been in bed a couple hours ago, but custodes just needs a final pass when I get the book and should be pushable less than an hour after that
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 11:22
I think (and I've said this since 8th hit) that a lot of issues would be solved by putting cover back to what it was in 7th. I'd have very little to moan about with 8th if they did that.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 25 2018 13:46
or at least throw out some jink saves +1 AP vs -1 to hit snap shooting
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 25 2018 13:51
and night-fighting turn 1 in all missions to blunt the alpha strikes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 25 2018 13:52
what about some defence-oriented universal stratagems? the more i look at IG's "Take Cover!", the more i think it should be available to most armies
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 25 2018 13:55
I tend to agree with @WindstormSCR that they swung the edition hard on the aggressive "Kill all the things!" to reduce game time ... and to an extent it works ... but it's still really in the favour of he who swings first
in my humble experience anyways
so adding in defensive mechanisms will just mostly add more time to the clock .. making it the same as trying to kill Decurion necrons again
full disclosure I play Necrons :)
and I hated being that guy that just would not die ...
but I digress, that turn 1 alpha strike still needs blunting but with some finesse and not the huge nerfhammer kneejerk
aren't we due some more Beta rules about now though ?
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 14:04
i liked the idea of a 2 or 3 cp strat, only usable before the first turn by the player who is going second and it gives you an army wide 6+ feel no pain or something
take the sting out of the turn 1 alpha strike a bit
but id rather they just give us 7th edition cover back
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 25 2018 14:06
yeah, better cover would be nice. at the moment if feels quite difficult to actually gain cover, and then the payoff just isnt there
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 14:09
yeh
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 25 2018 14:17
agreed, especially as models get bigger and bigger .. a lot of cover only really applies to <infantry>
no beasts or other non-bipedal humanoids
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 14:33
i also miss the tactical element of using terrain
the fact that having a nice selection of terrain actually mattered
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 25 2018 14:37
I'd like to see a return to night fighting, -1 to hit on first turn, that would do a lot to blunt the alpha strikes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 25 2018 14:58
who are we assigning R&H to? @ilaunchbury ?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 25 2018 14:59
Done
I've updated CODEOWNERS
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 25 2018 15:01
cool :+1:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 16:18
So I just ordered this:
Gonna make some better bases for my mortar teams
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 16:29
I also can't wait to create what i'm going to call the Banana Hammock
Guardsmen with 4++
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 25 2018 16:30
i presume thats banner for 5++, where do you get the +1 from?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 25 2018 16:30
i would ask how, but first i need to know why?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 16:31
"If it can be done, it must be done."
Nightshroud
Adds +1 to all saves for target unit
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 25 2018 16:31
ha, nice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 16:32
What I really need is a way to give mah tanks an invul
But I suppose that's Eldar territory
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 25 2018 16:33
oh nice. i can give my ogryn bodyguard a 1+ invulnerable :D
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 16:33
Nightshroud also enables Bullgryn with 2+/3++
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 25 2018 16:34
i think you mean other one, nightshroud is -1 to hit im pretty sure
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 16:34
ERK
YOU ARE CORRECT SIR
Psychic Barrier
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 25 2018 16:34
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Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 25 2018 16:35
but yeah, barrier + slab shield = +3 to all saving throws
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 25 2018 16:36
but then you have to balance that with just taking X points in guardsman extra, I face the same problem with trying to buff clanrats
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 16:45
Primaris Psykers are cheap
I like tossing in units that do little things like that
Plus every turn my opponent spends shooting/dealing with Bullgryn he's leaving my manticores/russes alone
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 19:38
Airbrush dudes, waddaya think of this ; GaGa MILANO SP180K 0.2mm/0.3mm/0.5mm 9cc CUP Professional Double-action Trigger Air-paint Control Airbrush for General-purpose Art-and-craft Projects Tattoo Model-railroad Detailing R/C Car Bodies Plastic Kits https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B016PXGZ68/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_hhJAAbBWNPFH6
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 19:41
looks like a decent starter kit, reviews are good
just keep in mind that you do get what you pay for; there is a real noticeable difference between the cheaper ones and the popular branded ones at higher prices
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 19:48
even between the different price ranges from the same brand. Theres a world of difference between an Iwata Neo (£50-60) and a Iwata Eclipse(£140 ish) - actually the Neo is made FOR Iwata by some other factory i think
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 19:51
Righto, I thought the same, but I want to scratch the itch and not spend loads if I don't get on with it...
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 19:51
In the end, the person using it makes the most difference :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 19:52
Yeah that looks like a solid kit
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 19:52
a friend of mine was using a cheap ebay brush and compressor (probably cost him less than £30 total for both) and his stuff looked amazing
but he's way more artistic than me
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 19:52
Good needle/nozzle choices too
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 19:53
i more of an "all the the gear but no idea" kinda guy :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 19:53
Yeah there's a guy local that is a commission painter and he just goes through the "Master" airbrushes you can get for dirt cheap
Says it's easier than maintaining a good one for what he does LOL
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 19:54
Yeah, I know the story... Part of me is thinking that spending more upfront will make it more likely that I will get on with it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 19:54
I just paid for my Badger Krome on that $54 deal
I'm excited about that
I'm slowly crawling up the quality scale
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 19:55
I'm glad for the advice for sure
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 19:55
Started with a Paasche -- which is more like a hose than an airbrush LOL
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 19:55
Everything you've said confirms my thoughts so far
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 19:56
i tend to buy the higher quality right from the start, i feel like going cheap then upgrading and upgrading ends up costing more
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 19:56
My main one is an Iwata Neo -- and yes it's make for Iwata but it's still an order or magnitude up on the quality scale from the Paasche
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 19:56
Also means I can get some more gubbins to go with it...
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 19:56
and a good one can be easier to sell if it doesnt work out
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 19:56
The Krome is probably out of my league at the moment, but if you never push yourself you never improve
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 19:56
Are Paasche really that bad?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 19:57
The cheap ones are
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 19:57
i currently have a H & S Evolution and a H & S Infinity - hooked up to a Sparmax TC-620X
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 19:57
The more expensive ones aren't bad from what I've been told
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 19:57
had an Iwata Neo and Iwata Ninja Jet before, my current ones are so much better tho
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 19:57
It's fantastic for basecoats and terrain though
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:05
my big issue is getting GW base paint to spray through anything other than a car detail sprayer :P
I need to try the air range for some stuff, see if it's as big a difference as people say
apparently they reduced the particle size, not just thinned down the stuff
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:06
whatever paint you use....
get some vallejo airbrush thinner (which has a drying retardant in it) and use that to thin the pain, maybe with a bit of water
it makes so much fucking difference compared to water or plain thinner
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:07
I've been using tamiya X-20A, same idea
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:07
makes it flow better, stops it drying inside the brush, makes it easier to clean the brush out etc
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:07
the shit just clogs the budget airbrush I have because of particle size I think, or dries out in the needle stupid fast
funny thing is I don't have the same issue with the detail sprayer which has a fuckoff massive needle
:shrug:
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:09
i have a 0.15 needle in my Infinity and with this airbrush thinner it rarely clogs, its awesome :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:09
perhaps I just need an airbrush that isn't a harbor freight special
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:09
heh
have you seen the Mr Hobby stuff?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:10
I've not looked heavily into it, mostly because hand brush does most of what I need
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:10
Silly name but its a Japanese brand and its on par if not better than Iwata stuff. They have equivalents to most Iwata models but at cheaper prices and can actually use internal parts from Iwata in a lot of cases
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 25 2018 20:10
For me, really, I just want smooth basecoats
Once I get that down I'll either Jan drop brush the details or develop with the airbrush
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:11
I find the detail sprayer's worked well enough for that, or GW rattle cans, then handbrush from there
take a look at that
still double checking the numbers myself to make sure it's properly done, but checking out well so far
a Leman Russ conqueror can remove one custodian per double-tap even through the vexilla magnifica (-1)
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:16
math up what a unit of 10 blight lord terminators with 1 sword, 7 axes and 2 flails with +2 wound and 5's and 6's doing mortal wounds would do a unit of custodes :)
3 attacks with the sword, 2 attacks each with the axes, 4d3 attacks total with the flails
i killed a Leman russ just with the 2 flail guys a while back in an event
oh and 6's to hit generating extra attacks
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:17
I need to go look up the stats then, give me a few
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:18
base str 4, axes are +1 str -2 ap 1 damage, flails +2 str -2 ap 2 damage (damage spills over) , sword is user str -3 ap 1 damage - all of them re-roll 1's to wouond
wound^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:19
any hit rerolls?
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:19
unlikely so no
not easy to get reroll hits with death guard
hitting on 3+ with 6+ doing extra attacks (which have to roll to hit but cant generate extra attacks themselves)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:20
no mortal wound things in here
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:20
ah thats a shame
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:20
but base flails are doing 4.15 w already
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:20
its 7+ doing mortal wounds but with +2 to wound so 5 and 6's doing mortal wounds in addition
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:20
wait, +2 and rr 1s?
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:20
yup lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:21
5.19 base
for flails
are axes +2/rr1s?
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:21
yeh
the whole unit will be +2 to wound and reroll 1's
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:22
axes do 4.54w
actually, derp
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:23
heh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:24
fails: 5.19w average
axes: 4.54w average
swd: 0.52w average
assuming no extra sergeant attack in there somewhere
so you'd on averages wipe a single CG squad, maybe a squad of 4
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:25
nice
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:25
assuming they're all spears
but vs 3++ that number goes down by about a third
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:25
it is possible, with a bit of -1 cp to bring a CSM sorc to drop a Prescience on em for +1 to hit (so 5 and 6's doing extra attacks) and a Daemon Prince for rerolled hits of 1
so its possible to be hitting on 2+, rolling 1's, 5+ doing extra attacks, wounding almost anything on 2+, rerolling 1's and 5+ doing extra mortal wounds
its pretty filthy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:27
popping the stratagem for better spear wounding, the spear guys alone will butcher your terminators
even through DR
13.55w average
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:27
a unit of custodes hitting first wins almost every time
vs anything
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:27
except blobguard
:P
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:28
but ud think 2 wound terminators with a 4++ inv and 5+ ignore wound, toughness 5 (could be 6 with a spell) and possibly -1 to being hit from a spell has one of the better chances of surviving
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:28
yeah, that's all accounted for
I've faced BL terminators (shooting them to death at least)
the -1 is shooting only though isn't it?
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:29
the spell is -1 vs anything
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:30
the sentinel blades from the other two dudes add another 3w
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:30
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:31
so with the 2 S&B/3 spear 'standard unit'
you'll just barely kill both shield guys
on average
then die to the spears
how many points is this BL bomb?
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:32
i'll work it out, ive used it a lot so its not crazy expensive
heres another for you math
should be easier
this is a planets align scenario tho
20 dudes all throwing a grenade
so 20 * d6 shots
hitting on 3's
str 4
wounding with a +1 and rerolled 1's
2 damage each (no over spill)
5 and 6's doing additional mortal wounds
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:33
9w average to basic CG
again, mortals taking that slightly higher
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:35
the terminator blob, i run with 2 blight launchers too and it comes in at 471 points... so yeh, not cheap
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:35
about double the price of a 5-man CG squad then.
2 S&B and 3 spears is 274
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:35
yeh
would also get 2d3 blight launcher shots and all the rapid firing bolters going off before charging like
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:37
really depends who gets the drop
allarus grenade launchers make a nasty dent
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:37
yeh
btw the nades
how many MW's did they do?
i thought it would average over 10
well over
without the reroll 1's aint it like 22.2?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:41
it doesn't break down like that
doesn't give me number of 6s to wound
just average damage out vs a defensive profile
welp.jpg
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:42
20 D6 shots at 3.5 average per dice is 70 shots
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:42
reading some lore page scans
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:42
hitting on 3's is 46.whatever hits
MW on 5+ is 22.whatever MW's
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:42
femstodes are apparently actually a thing
a 'recent development due to the need to infiltrate every aspect of imperial society'
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:42
no that cant be right
15 mw's
it was 22% of the starting shots
then rerolled 1's adding some extras
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:43
so custodes are now full stormcast
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:44
they seriously need to get more female models into 40k
im fine with it NOT being SM's cos.. you know.. lore
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:44
looks like GW found out where they wanted to shove the 'big damn diverse heroes' into
I mean
I'm actually ok with it
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:44
but i wouldnt complain if they retcon female SM's in
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:44
because each custodian is pretty much hand-forged
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:45
or have cawl "find a way"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:45
tbh I would, simply because it is the perfect example of Emps disregarding good advice
is it bigoted of the Emperor? absolutely, and that's the whole point, malcador told him it was a bad idea, and the Emperor didn't care
so to me I see it less as 'this setting hates women' and more 'even the emperor made mistakes'
quite a lot of them
without that prideful arrogance for big E the setting ultimately loses something
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:48
IMO, the lack of females in 40k is just a left over of the time when the game was first created. If 40k was invented today, it would be pretty much 50/50 male/female models
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:48
agreed, and stormcast are a pretty good example there
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:48
i also would like to see female models actually wearing armour that looks like it would work
we dont need boob cones
if i want to see boobs i'll google up some porn
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:49
but I think they have plenty of good spots to fix that without doing the whole SM thing
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:49
on a battlefield i want to see battlefield clothing
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:49
example: new guard plastics
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:49
yeh
guard is well established in lore to have loads of women
which is why is baffling that they have no models
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:49
do a multi-regiment box, do the eldar guardian thing of a mix
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:49
all id would need is female heads
the torso's are all loose cloth clothing and stuff anyway so they'd pass as male or female
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:50
grab a necromunda sprue :P
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:50
:)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:51
I'm contemplating statuesque heads for some custodes now
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:51
there is also an element of.... people have a tendency to make things look like themselves without any real thought
white folk tend to paint their dudes with white skin for example, no thought involved
males would tend to build their dudes as dudes
its why games like world of warcraft are dominated by male humans
since games like that and warhammer are very male dominated as a playerbase
and i assume thats white males in the majority too
if i did a guard army id have mine all mixed
get some Asians in there too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 25 2018 20:53
I'm tempted to get the right mix of heads and spend a lot of time on the heads to reflect my old college gaming group
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 20:53
yeh that would be cool
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 21:00
@WindstormSCR where has that FOB Mathhammer site been my whole life? Thank you for sharing that.
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe is catching up....
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 21:01
As for paint I'm a big fan of Vallejo Model/Game Air paints -- they are fantastic. Thin 'em a little and they just spray and spray and spray
I'll second the Vallejo Airbrush Thinner -- it's magical
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 21:01
best thing i ever bought (in relation to airbrushing) :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 21:02
But Game Air Alien Purple with a quick spray over of Druchi Violet makes the most beautiful purple on armor I've ever seen. That's my happy little discovery for today
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 21:02
:)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 25 2018 21:03
I also love Reaper Master Series -- you have to hit 'em pretty hard with the thinner (3:1 or 2:1 paint:thinner) but they also spray quite nicely
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 25 2018 22:14
Can a Scout Sergeant can technically take a sniper rifle and a combi-weapon? Because if you use the Index, he can swap his bolt pistol for a combi, and his boltgun for a sniper rifle?
ignore me, I'm getting confused. He has to swap both for access to the Sergeant list in the Index, which then stops him from having both.
James
@skonk
Jan 25 2018 22:27
:)